/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4700998]

I think we need a thread to help those who are wondering if it's "too late to start" drawing
Post your art and your age and how long you've been drawing

[Anonymous No.4701014]

>>4700998
It's too late if you have no more passion and SOUL left.
I'm not posting my work, because I haven't done anything in five days. :(

Been drawing on-and-off since age 12 though.

[Anonymous No.4701037]

>>4701014
That's okay. I'll start then

I'm 22, almost 23. I've been drawing more seriously since January of last year. I did try drawing while in highschool but I quit soon after when I was working a wagie job. I think quitting and coming back to try again taught me a valuable lesson

[Anonymous No.4701044]

>>4701037
What was the lesson, anon?
I'm 28.

[Anonymous No.4701062]

>>4701044
The lesson was that I should put in the effort now if I want to become good at drawing, and looking back on the time that I chose to give up hurts a lot, so I won't be making that mistake again by quitting. Each day is worth a lot if you want it to be

[Anonymous No.4701068]

>>4701062
>stop procrastinating
ok, I'm sold
I'll start drawing anime titties right now!

[Anonymous No.4701078]

Over the past 2 years I spent between 7 and 9 months actively drawing. Before that I had no art experience

[Anonymous No.4701082]

>>4701078
Nice! Keep at it!

[Anonymous No.4701091]

>>4700998
Post your art progress as well so that newbies know that all this practice can result in something better.

Nothing more assuring than seeing an artist with their crayon tier doodles turn into a masterpiece with a few years of hard work and dedication.

[Anonymous No.4701112]

>>4701078
nice. got anything else?

[Anonymous No.4701113]

>>4701091
Okay
Top images are from last year with dates, bottom is from recent. I also posted the sketch a few posts above.

[Anonymous No.4701186]

>>4701112
I dont color or finish many drawings. My artwork folder is mostly full of unfinished sketches

[Anonymous No.4701193]

>>4700998
People just want a excuse, they already know the answer.

[Anonymous No.4701311]

Someone please explain to me how it could possibly be too late, at any point in your life, to pick up a pencil and draw some lines on a piece of paper.

[Anonymous No.4701439]

>>4701311
The brain's ability to learn new skills begins to degrade around your mid-twenties.

Yeah, any dumbass can scibble on paper, but actually learning how to draw requires a brain that isn't basically rotting inside of your skull.

[Anonymous No.4701536]

>>4701439
>The brain's ability to learn new skills begins to degrade around your mid-twenties.

GUYS I CAN STILL MAKE IT

[Anonymous No.4701542]

>>4700998
Who the fuck cares~~~

28y.o. here. I do what a want, I draw cute girls.
People online think I'm a 17y.o. girl based off my amateur drawings. I'm not going to correct them. Im glad they think that.

[Anonymous No.4701575]

18, a few years but probably only one of attempting seriously.
Honestly I don't even know if I have passion for drawing anymore or not. I think I enjoyed it before I was consumed with thoughts about how unskilled I am. Sometimes I feel it's too late because I didn't start as a kid, but I realize that isn't true and I just suck ass.

[Anonymous No.4701577]

been drawing for about 2 yrs, keep up the grind my frens.

[Anonymous No.4701653]

>>4701542
You seem like a fag

[Anonymous No.4701669]

I've drawn since a young age, and while I'm not terrible in my skills... I have seen and witnessed countless others start later and surpass me.
So, hopefully that contributes to this thread from a different perspective.

[Anonymous No.4701730]

>>4701575
You’re really young dude. If you put in dedicated practice, you could be great by 22 or so

[Anonymous No.4701749]

>>4701730
You think? Thanks, I struggle with dedication, but over time I've been getting better at putting in more time.

[Anonymous No.4701788]

18, haven't drawn since 4 months cuz of fucking vidya, began last year I believe but not practicing a lot kek. Giga tradfag even tho I own a 200€ tablet.

I wouldn't post coom but it's the only thing my body allowed me to draw since it feels like I haven't touched a pencil in ages

[Anonymous No.4701799]

>>4701749
Obviously. You’re still considered a kid to many til like 23 or so as well. You have many years filled with opportunities ahead of you if you don’t waste your time away with say video games for many hours a day or something

[Anonymous No.4701810]

>>4701799
>if you don’t waste your time away with say video games for many hours a day or something
I do but I'm trying to change that. I still waste too much time but if I keep trending towards being more productive then I'll eventually be get to where I want to be (I hope).

[Anonymous No.4701880]

>>4701113
>>4701037

how much Loomis to reach this level?

[Anonymous No.4701995]

>>4701078
Damn shotafag, you got good so fast!

[Anonymous No.4702030]

Here is my progress starting at 26

[Anonymous No.4702703]

>>4701577
>>4701788
>>4702030
Nice anons.

[Anonymous No.4702761]

Been drawing for 1 year and a couple of days by now. The ones on the right are from july too, I think. My age doesn't matter but I can assure you I'm on the older side.

[Anonymous No.4702773]

>>4702761
I like it. Learning how to draw good anime faces has been a struggle for me so I'm jelly

[Anonymous No.4702790]

>>4702773
not the anon you are replying to. i dont know how other people do it, but when i study anime faces and heads, i spend a ton of time thinking about all the different proportions and try to understand what looks good to me and what doesnt and why. i see a lot of artists who draw absolutely gorgeous anime eyes, eyelashes, very well polished, but i think their eye, nose, mouth etc placement look incorrect.

i might spend 20 minutes drawing a floating anime head, then spend an hour resizing and moving around different facial elements, adjusting jawlines, and so on. in my humble shitty beg opinion, proportion, placement, angle of facial features is my number one priority. i can grind out the polishing parts, eg anime eyelash tutorials, later.

[Anonymous No.4702794]

>>4702790
>i might spend 20 minutes drawing a floating anime head, then spend an hour resizing and moving around different facial elements, adjusting jawlines, and so
literally me and I hate it, I try plotting out the actual eyeballs and pupils too which kinda helps when I do it. I draw faces but not good faces. Gotta practice practice practice

[Anonymous No.4702802]

>>4702794
Faces are very important for humans. We evolved to have a very sophisticated appreciation/recognition for facial features and even slight angle differences can make a world of difference in to our brains. Its one of those things that you just have to grind through, but pretty much everyone can make attractive faces if they try hard enough.

You just have to train the facial recognition part of your brain to not be input only, but train it to be output as well.

[Anonymous No.4702833]

>>4702761
Can you tell me what you used to get this good?

[Anonymous No.4702840]

>>4702833
I made friends with another artist and had him mentor me. He's such a nice guy.

[Anonymous No.4702856]

>>4702840
how much did you pay for lessons?

[Anonymous No.4702859]

>>4702856
I didn't

[Anonymous No.4702860]

25,
2 years
NGMI

[Anonymous No.4702894]

>>4702860
One area you defiantly need to work on in you use of colour. A proper hue shift when darkening a colour helps bring some life into a piece.

[Anonymous No.4702960]

It’s only ever too late when you’re on your deathbed and you suddenly regret never having picked up a pen. I’m 32, started 11 months ago from absolute zero, yet here I am making gains that I am happy with.

[Anonymous No.4702989]

>>4702894
That was actually intentional, I was going for a studio trigger type of shading. I do certainly need to work on my color though.

[Anonymous No.4702996]

>>4702894
Oh shit you meant the actual color of the shadows, yeah the edit looks way better

[Anonymous No.4702998]

>>4700998
Started drawing in winter 2018 after I turned 30. I just turned 33 last month.

[Anonymous No.4703018]

>>4702998
Nice progress, anon. It’s definitely the time and effort put into it that matters more than the age at which you start.

[Anonymous No.4703051]

>>4703018
Thank you, and totally agreed on the effort part. To take it a step further, I've found that drawing a ton helps, but even more important to my gains has been improving my observation skills. To be honest, I don't even draw that much, but my observational skill and ability to critically look at my own art and others has improved noticeably since I started.

Drawing from life has obviously helped my improvement. That can't be ignored.

Another important thing is looking at lots of other people's art. I can't understate how helpful watching art process videos from pro artists has been in building my own approach to drawing.

[Anonymous No.4703073]

>>4702860
Why ngmi? Don't let the /ic/ memes infest your brain
>>4702998
Lookin good anon

[Anonymous No.4703112]

>>4702998
>33
thats sad anon

[Anonymous No.4703113]

Really fucks me off when I see young 20somethings boohooing about "being too late". Fucking retards. I'm nearing 30 and I dropped drawing for almost a decade before picking it back up this month. Does it suck that I lost so much time that I could have dedicated to improving my artwork? Sure, but it's not like I'm a senile old man that can't still learn. I work with a guy in his 40's who is going back to art school. It's not too late unless you're fucking dead.

[Anonymous No.4703122]

>>4703113
you are delusional anon. you will never make it

[Anonymous No.4703146]

>>4703112
we all gotta get old and die sometime

[Anonymous No.4703152]

>>4703122
pyw

[Anonymous No.4703155]

>>4703113
What do you expect? 99% of the board is teens and 20 somethings barely out of adolescence, wholly divorced from reality and afflicted with chronic stage four wangst. Rather than think ‘Hey, I’ve got 30-50 years to get good at something’ they think ‘Wow, I’m not a master by 25 better kill myself’. Just go to wetcanvas or an atelier to be among (relatively) functional adults who actually draw instead of wallowing in pity 23 hours a day because they’re not 15 with a billion follows on Twitter.

[Anonymous No.4703157]

>>4702761
Are you joking around? I didn't know you were mentored.

[Anonymous No.4703162]

>>4703146
yeah but if you already wasted half of your life not drawing may as well do something easier instead

[Anonymous No.4703163]

>>4703155
This tbqh. When I was 20, 30 seemed to be old and dead to me. But now that I'm over 30, nothing changed. I just realized I wasted some time. So now I don't do that anymore. Best time to plant a tree is yesterday and all that.

[Anonymous No.4703168]

>>4703162
I'm already a FAANG software engineer, compose music, and write. I like learning new things. Drawing isn't hard for me. Why would you think it's not worth pursuing despite my obvious progress? That doesn't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.4703182]

>>4703162
I've already achieved my career goals (FAANG software engineer) and can compose music + write stories well already. Drawing was something I always planned on learning.

I'm going to keep drawing no matter what at this point. Just wondering why you would limit yourself like that, just because the challenge seems difficult?

[Anonymous No.4703191]

>>4703163
being 30+ is pretty great. own property. have a 401k. what's the downside? your 20s suck.

[Anonymous No.4703195]

>>4703112
Don’t BULLY
HES TRYING UNLIKE YOUR PATHETIC WASTE OF SPERM EXISTENCE

[Anonymous No.4703209]

>>4703195
He’s probably the anon who confessed he doesn’t draw at all and just spends his time trying to get artists to quit.

[Anonymous No.4703212]

>>4703157
If you know who I am then don't try speaking to me here.

[Anonymous No.4703215]

>>4701439
You retards know that people get PhDs at their 30s, 40s and so on, right? Well, it's not like any of you could anyway.

[Anonymous No.4703217]

>>4703209
He didn’t even post his own work so he’s worthless anyway

[Anonymous No.4703220]

>>4703217
>he didn't do a pyw
pyw

[Anonymous No.4703222]

>>4703220
Already did

[Anonymous No.4703236]

>>4703222
o

nice!

[Anonymous No.4703591]

>>4701653
Yes. I am.
But isnt everyone on /ic?

[Anonymous No.4703736]

>>4702998
That's impossible.

2018 -> 30
2019 -> 31
2020 -> 33
???????

[Anonymous No.4703809]

>>4703736
are you dumb? he was 30 at the beginning of 2018 (winter) and turned 31 in june of 2018

[Anonymous No.4703833]

>>4703736
So this is the power of /ic/

[Anonymous No.4703857]

>>4703833
its the power of anime

[Anonymous No.4703898]

>>4702998
29y/o talentfag here. I have the same starting skill level as you. Despite working 12 hours a day. I feel I can do the same progress in less than 2 years. Btw congrats anon

[Anonymous No.4703906]

24. on and off since 13, never spent a huge chunk of time on it

[Anonymous No.4703911]

>>4700998
I'm 32 now and its been a hobby on and off since I was like 26? I'm still plucking away at it, who knows where it'll take me. it's definitely harder as you get older because you have to juggle your job and relationships on top of art. so I say do it if you enjoy doing it. and even if you don't enjoy it all the time, but you inevitably keep coming back to it it's still worth doing

[Anonymous No.4703921]

>>4703898
thanks yo. Yeah, my progress isn't even that fast, I've been busy with my career + social obligations + trying to start a business as well. Everyone has an hour a day to devote to art.

Here's a tip for all the burgeoning artists out there: If you spend an hour a day watching tutorials but don't draw, your art skill will still improve compared to you not watching any videos or doing any drawing whatsoever. So you don't have to "just draw" to improve. But you have to draw eventually, so you might as well be consistent about it.

[Anonymous No.4703934]

>>4703911
>You have to juggle your job as you get older
This is my biggest fear with not getting really good by the time I'm 26 or so. I know I can't be a jobless neet like how I am right now at 22, I'm making a small amount of money but I absolutely need to push it before I lose the opportunity that I have to study and practice all day every day

[Anonymous No.4703966]

>>4703809
>>4703833
He said he started "after turning 30".
He turned 30 in June 2017.
He said "Winter 2018", which means December 2018, so 18 months later, when he was already 31.
Even if he meant Winter 2017-2018, it's at least 6 months away from his 30th birthday, so his "after turning 30" is misleading.

[Anonymous No.4703979]

>>4703966
I’m tired of you. Go draw

[Anonymous No.4704107]

i just turned 33. its scary. chris farley and jesus died at 33. thomas jefferson was writing the damned constitution and im learning to draw a waifu :( here's a sketch i did at work today. nothing special, just working on line weight

[Anonymous No.4704116]

>>4702030
>t-talent isn't r-real

[Anonymous No.4704130]

26 yo, been drawing for 7 months and I'm permabeg compared to everyone in this thread
I guess it really is too late

[Anonymous No.4704145]

>>4704107
another sketch i did today.

as far as how long ive been drawing. hard to answer. on and off my whole life desu but only for fun until last april. since then ive been pretty serious about it.

ill be honest, i think i could teach someone what took me a year to learn in about a month. its very wasteful grinding and making so many mistakes without a real instructor.

with a real art teacher you could learn this stuff quick. when quarantine is over im gonna look for a local class.

[Anonymous No.4704157]

>>4702761
How much do you draw a week? Like hours per day? I love your style and it's motivating.

[Anonymous No.4704165]

>>4703182
>FAANG
When did you start learning to program, this is my end goal rn but I'm 27 and a complete beginner to comp sci stuff. I want to go to school for it but it's definitely too late for me right lmao.

[Anonymous No.4704197]

>>4704165
Not them but I’ve seen these floating around.

>https://teachyourselfcs.com/
>https://github.com/ossu/computer-science

>there will never be an equivalent made for drawing

[Anonymous No.4704208]

>>4704197
Thanks anon and yeh. Drawabox is probably the closest thing but that's a meme here.

[Anonymous No.4704212]

>>4700998
I think we don't need such a thread, moron.

[Anonymous No.4704215]

>>4701439
Nice meme retard, guess what some of the greatest artists in history started around their late twenties, stop spewing this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4704274]

[Anonymous No.4704302]

>>4704208
Everything is a meme here including loomis, vilppu and proko

[Anonymous No.4704334]

>>4704212
Go to a depressed Pepe thread then

[Anonymous No.4704348]

Couldn’t imagine starting in my 20s since I was all over the place and didn’t even have much discipline, but when I started last year at 31 I had an eye for detail and amount of patience I did not have before.
Still got a loooong way to go but I got a whole lot of time I did not have when I was younger.

[Anonymous No.4704894]

>>4701037
>>4701577
>>4701788
>>4702030
>>4702998
>>4704348
Nice progress. What practice routines did you start with (how often/which exercises)
Any books you'd recommend to someone starting out?

[Anonymous No.4704918]

>>4704894
My advice for low tier begs, if you are asking for it, is to focus less on academic study and focus more on making drawing a daily integral part of your routine/life. Do what mobile games do. When you play a typical grindy mobile game for the first time, what happens? You get a bunch of free stuff, freemium currency, that kind of thing. They frontload you with a bunch of "speed up" items in the hopes you blow through them and start buying more "crystals" or whatever.

They do this because it plays into human psychology. They frontload those things and also offer perks and rewards for playing the app/game daily. It's a twofold process. So the most important advice in my mind to someone "starting out" is not to name you a book to read or a video lecture series to follow, but to find something you can do within in the realm of art and drawing that is rewarding to you to build that positive association with art. Because drawing is a very time consuming hobby, you will need to invest 1000-2000 hours before you will be able to make art around an intermediate level.

For me, my first attempts at are were I traced anime heads and did step by step "how to draw anime" youtube tutorials for maybe like the first 3 weeks of my art journey. Videos like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W234SZTGtY

I'm not telling you this is the best, most optimal, most efficient way to learn. But I think many /int/ artists give /int/ level advice. By the time you reach /int/ level, your ability to sit down and study dry material is more developed. It's easier to tolerate. At a beginner level, I think dry academic study is a lot more taxing and you run the risk of burnout. There's no reason your first few weeks of learning to draw should be something dry like gesture or perspective. Make it fun. You're in it for the long haul.
t. mid /beg/

[Anonymous No.4705026]

>>4704918
That's an interesting way of thinking about it. I'll see how much of that I can apply to myself.
Unfortunately I think I'll still have to do at least some dry study stuff to keep me motivated. I've recently noticed that when I try to get into a new hobby I really like to use the excuse of "This isn't the most efficient way of learning this, I'm wasting my time" and just quit.
Obviously that's not a very rational and I'm trying hard to fight this attitude, but the mind can be a weird place sometimes.

[Anonymous No.4705058]

I’m 40 and I’ve been drawing for 18 months or so? I used to draw a lot as a kid but stopped shortly after starting college to focus on becoming an accountant. So 18 months + 12 years? As I coast into my midlife crisis is realize that was a mistake as I really fucking hate life as an auditor.
So it’s never too late, I suppose. But don’t start drawing after 10 pm. You need your sleep.

[Anonymous No.4705073]

>>4705058
Wow you probably retained some of that previous experience drawing from when you were young

[Anonymous No.4705075]

>>4702761
>I'm on the older side
are you in your 20s?

[Anonymous No.4705094]

>>4705073
Probably. But I wasn’t all that good back then, anyway. Here’s something from HS when I was edgy.
>>4705075
Damn whippersnappers.

[Anonymous No.4705096]

>>4704894
I avoided the tutorials and any and all guides to drawing but collected drawings of artists I like and wanted to emulate the most and spent the day studying and experimenting on my tablet.
This is wrong for beginners though, since I already had knowledge of the human anatomy from reading medical textbooks as a kid so if you’re just beginning gotta nail down the musculoskeletal system first.
The most important thing is to always push yourself out of your comfort zone and always do your best to make your next drawing better than the last.

[Anonymous No.4705102]

>>4701542
17 based on your amateurish drawings? im 17 and people think im a mangaka based on my drawings

[Anonymous No.4705107]

>>4705102
Nice. Just imagine what you’ll be doing in 10 years time if you keep drawing.

[Anonymous No.4705108]

>>4705102
Because everyone knows that mangakas can't draw.
Look at the messy scribble you have made.
Even chimp has better sense of art than you do.

[Anonymous No.4705133]

>>4705108
>Even chimp has better sense of art than you do.
Name one!

[Anonymous No.4705137]

>>4705102
yike

[Anonymous No.4705157]

>>4705108
>>4705137
>telling a 17 year old they suck at drawing
Really? These are the kind of people that come to this board?

[Anonymous No.4705163]

>>4705157
You must have confused this place with Reddit.

[Anonymous No.4705167]

>>4705157
Global rule 2 retard

[Anonymous No.4705170]

>>4705157
In somehow ironic manner pretends to say the obvious things.
Gotta improve that scribble of yours, young "I am m̶a̶q̶u̶a̶k̶e̶" uhm I mean mangaka guy.

[Anonymous No.4705174]

>>4705167
Obviously you shouldn't be coming to 4chan at that age, but telling a minor they suck at drawing is pretty autistic
>>4705163
The point of 4chan is that posters are more worldly and grounded than reddit. Some teenage kid posts their art and you call it trash, with no guidance? No advice? No criticism? Just tearing them down? Wow, that's incredibly brave of you. Post your work.

[Anonymous No.4705179]

>>4705163
Always love the confusion of r**ditors when they get in here.

[Anonymous No.4705183]

>>4705170
>>4705179
No one but the most exceptional 17 year old is producing high level art. It's like telling a 17 year old they suck at calculus. Okay? What do you expect from them? Why not offer encouragement or crits or advice? This is just petty, pointless tearing down of someone who is drawing at the skill level that is totally appropriate for their age.

I see a lot of crabbing, not a lot of work-posting. Why don't you prove to this everyone what great artists you are and how justified you are in throwing around criticism? What did you draw like at 17?

[Anonymous No.4705185]

>>4705174
I bet that his work is as clean as his room (which obviously is not).
Mess on the paper, mess in the head. Mess in the head, mess in the house.
Mess in the house, mess in the life.

[Anonymous No.4705188]

>>4705174
I don't care minors shouldn't be here because they're insufferable retards and you should go too

[Anonymous No.4705196]

>>4705183
Cuz it will balloon their teen ego even more. Puberty, ya know.
Now GTFO in quick way, r***itor.

[Anonymous No.4705200]

>>4705183
BWEEEEEAAAAAAA SOCIAL INJUSTICE

[Anonymous No.4705229]

>>4705174
>Post your work.
I have! Twice! So STFU fagtard!

[Anonymous No.4705230]

29
started at 25
probably about a year worth of actual work though.
don't slack off like I did

[Anonymous No.4705236]

>>4705229
>fell for the pyw meme

[Anonymous No.4705241]

>>4705230
I can tell the year had passed from the chicks tan on the right.

[Anonymous No.4705243]

>>4705183
most posters here are underage themselves, i’m thinking median age 16 at best.

[Anonymous No.4705250]

>>4705241
it was my first time trying tanlines kek
in reality it was about 3 years between those two pics

[Anonymous No.4705254]

>>4705236
>he's scared of posting his work
sad

[Anonymous No.4705255]

>>4705243
I've always been under the impression that 4chan, and the internet in general, is full of fatherless 19 year olds bullying fatherless 15 year olds.

[Anonymous No.4705260]

>>4705243
That would explain a lot. Pretty baseless assumption though.

[Anonymous No.4705292]

>>4705260
>pretty baseless assumption
go try joining one of the /ic/ discords next time an invite is posted, you’ll quickly realize that this board is almost 50/50 kids/pedophiles. you could also just look at the posts here and be able to tell. i am of course a patrician 1 percenter that is neither and simply hoards resources and shitposts because i’m mildly retarded

[Anonymous No.4705301]

>>4705260
Gonna back up the other anon and say that /ic/ discords tend to be filled with underaged idiots from reddit. They are cancer.

[Anonymous No.4705550]

>>4701037
22 is very young anon, don't fall for the catching up with your peer trap. I wish I could go back in time to your age.
I did and it took me a long time to reconcile with my love for drawing, which is already too late for me to enter the contest I've wanted to participate. Nonetheless I'm very happy that I learned to love every moments with my pencil on paper.
Here is a pic of my progression within almost 1 year.

[Anonymous No.4705590]

>>4702998
Practice wise anon and keep doing it. Remidner that Firez started in his very late 20s and made it despite /ic/ keep demotivating him.

[Anonymous No.4705751]

>>4704894
reading is for nerds.
draw a lot and keep challenging yourself, if you feel comfortable when drawing you are too far into the comfort zone.
also draw animals, they are great practice for construction since they differ so much by species.

[Anonymous No.4705757]

>>4705590
$300 a month on patreon is not “making it”, unless you’re a third world shitter.

[Anonymous No.4705790]

>>4705757
>money
he has a leverage and solidified his understand of his skill, he can just further improve from here on. There are people on /ic/ who lived on this site for years but didn't make it through the threshold because they keep putting off drawing too infrequently.

[Anonymous No.4705794]

>>4705757
he makes 800 a month plus commissions

[Anonymous No.4705842]

>>4705794
That's barely surviving. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.4705843]

>>4705757
>3.6k a year
Average cost to LIVE is 15k to 20k a year depending on state. As far as I'm concerned he is making it. A truly successful artist is one who can pay off that cost of living with artwork alone.

[Anonymous No.4705847]

>>4705843
Also forgot to mention, getting a job in art doesnt count. Art as your main is extremely stupidly unlikely, but doing something fun on the side while making enough money to pay off food, rent, water, electricity, etc without using the money from your main job is success IMO

[Anonymous No.4705854]

>>4705842
How is 800 plus probably another 500-800 of commissions hardly surviving
Do you have kids or something

[Anonymous No.4705856]

>>4705847

Lol, so "making it" for you is making a few bucks off commissions? You have very low standards for success.

[Anonymous No.4705859]

You guys made my thread depressing talking about money
Talk about your love and passion for creating artwork daily

[Anonymous No.4705863]

>>4705550
Didn't see this reply before posting above
Fucking cute anon. I think it's best when you really love it as hobby and gain the skill just by trying. I love drawing right now but I only get upset with it sometimes because of my lack of fundamentals. If I could churn out full body sketches characters posed how I want them to be, I could do it non-stop. I'm sure I'll get there one day
Seeing mangaka get published at such an early age also makes me kinda jelly since I would love to do art for a living which is obviously a hard thing to do. Hiro mashima got published at 22 which is insane, Oda was young too and plenty of others so I tend to get jelly and sob but it's alright

[Anonymous No.4705885]

>>4700998
It's too late because we're in the year 2020 and all forms of human expression are completely dead. You should only make art if you enjoy the mechanical act of drawing and nothing else. If you aspire at communicating something you're in for a world of pain.
On the bright side, learning one of the 4 art styles that work with people isn't hard, since you don't have to do any soul searching, it's just about learning the basics and making copies of the top artist's Overwatch fanart. Monkey see, monkey do. You'll get there, just don't become a tutorial groupie and draw at least a few hours a day. Doesn't matter if you are 10 or 30 as long as you really are in love with the trash that people gobble up today and you feel happy drawing it.
The hard part has always been finding your place in things, thanks to social media that's pretty easy too if you look at people like numbers and you're completely ruthless as long as you achieve success.
If what you have to reply to this is "this is not true, I tried it all and it didn't work" then you really just didn't like it enough. You have to be fully compliant. There's no "I'd rather do it this way" or "I don't like doing it this way". You have to be a bugman. If you are a bugman you will find work. This burns but it's really how it is, this is a job, it's about getting things done, it's not about your feelings or yourself. You have to do everything that needs to be done. I think the majority of people who try and fail, fail because of this. Those who don't try, just didn't try. If you tried and failed, this is your problem. You're not compliant enough.

[Anonymous No.4705894]

>>4705885
May I see a drawing of yours

[Anonymous No.4705901]

>>4705894
I'd rather not. It's not like there's anything to prove, you can see it for yourself.

[Anonymous No.4705902]

>>4705901
I just wanted to .... see.... other anons works here

[Anonymous No.4705915]

>>4705885
What a bleak and boring world view.

[Anonymous No.4705917]

>>4705902
Sorry I'm not posting work on 4chan especially since these posts are inflammatory.
You probably won't see any work here because people on this board who ask themselves questions about this issue are all beginners who still think they can find success with personal work so they delude themselves that getting to a good technical level is all they need. The only people who touch on this subject publicly are art gurus, who ironically exclusively touch about technical skills when it comes to art. Have you noticed that? At best there's stuff about "style" but there is no discussion at all about what you actually have to say.
I have no idea why people wail so much about technical skill when we have all the resources in the world to get there. You have to make studies and learn value and color, digital takes 80% of the hard work off your back so you don't need shit like "talent" to be a top bugman I assure you. You just have to work, have a plan, and stop fucking around with videogames. The real issue and the only issue is if things like painting with your own voice or saying something different come into the picture. In that case, good luck. If you want to be an anime porn artist and you fail it's 100% because you are lazy.

[Anonymous No.4705934]

>>4705863
>my lack of fundamentals.
This is the hardest part that everyone must go through so hang in there.
My best advice here is divide your drawing time into parts, and keep 2 main objectives.
Dedicate some of your days in the week to do studies, and the other days for free draw.
Do a chunk of studies then relax yourselves with free draw days to refresh. Keep your studies consistent too, if you are self teaching I recommend that you stick to one objective first then add in one or two more half a year in.

For example, if you're committing yourself to study anatomy. Then you'll set yourself 1-3 months of doing that, starting from figure fundies to gesture, to humanization then to muscle studies. After that you can at least gain enough intuition, you'll start on another objective on the side. It could be coloring, perspective, etc.
As for your free draw days, you should try to mimic art from other artist that you like. BUT try not to copy it exactly, apply your studies when you copy them. Be conscious of what you copy until it become second nature. The point is that you're still learning passively, letting your brain adjust and apply itself without relying on a guide book. This is how you also develop style too, so you should try to imitate your favorite artist and combine them to your own.

I too dream of becoming a mangaka or comic artist in this, and I havent given up hope, just taking it more realistically this time. You too should try your best. You have a story you eagerly want to tell through your manga, so don't bottle it. Best wishes to you anon.

[Anonymous No.4705937]

>>4705934
>humanization
mannequinzation*

[Anonymous No.4705957]

>>4705917
>>4705934
I love these long power posts on /ic/ because of how this board can be void of any sane discussion, thanks anons
I'm off to draw a new comic commission and then focus practice on legs or hands tonight
Also that bit about video games, yeah. I pretty much dropped those last year to put far more time into drawing

[Anonymous No.4705979]

>>4705957
>delusional monolog
>"sane discussion"

[Anonymous No.4705984]

>>4705854
Probably some retard that lives in a shithole city that's way too expensive. I only make $1500 a month on average and have never felt like I was struggling.

[Anonymous No.4705988]

I'm a complete /beg/, only started one month ago so I really have nothing substantial to share but here's a shitty contour sketch I tried yesterday. I'll be 25 in a few months.
I know I'm young but my biggest regret is the fact that it took me this long to even start; I've actually wanted to draw for a LONG time but I just put it off because I was scared that I wouldn't actually do it, and waste money on a tablet that I would use for like one or two weeks and then leave it to rot. Which is exactly what did happen for about half a year.
I'm trying really hard not to get frustrated but shit I'm starting to feel burnout already, and I can't let it happen again.

[Anonymous No.4705989]

>>4705979
can you report this without the anime avatar? I don't read posts with anime avatars

[Anonymous No.4705997]

>>4705988
>draws for a month
>starting to feel burnout
Just give up.

[Anonymous No.4706000]

>>4705989
>doesn't read posts with images on an imageboard
>still replies to them

[Anonymous No.4706005]

>>4705988
Good effort. Starting out is tough

[Anonymous No.4706008]

>>4705988
You are already anxious and stressed before you even started. Take a deep breath and relax. You don't have to achieve anything with this. Don't make this a chore, see it as a hobby. Progress will come naturall. Allow yourself to mess up and have fun with it. Let it go and it will come to you.

[Anonymous No.4706024]

>>4702030
Wow good amount of progress in two months, good job!

[Anonymous No.4706031]

>>4705885
cringe, imagine not enjoying actually drawing and only using it as a tool to "communicate"

[Anonymous No.4706046]

>>4706031
I didn't even imply a dislike for drawing with that post, you can't draw hours and hours every day if you don't enjoy it. That's why I said "and nothing else". This sort of answer is so exhausting, I'm so tired of stupid people misreading basic sentences.

[Anonymous No.4706081]

>>4700998
Anon, I just want to be able to draw some fat anime tiddies. Any other anons got that anime tiddy progress? The female figure is hard to draw.

[Anonymous No.4706111]

>>4705590
Thank you, I will. I plan on continuing art until I die at this point.

[Anonymous No.4706135]

>>4705856
what's success for you? The animation industry, with its already low number of employees is projected to rise only 4% in the next 10 years and majority of them get paid only 50 - 70k per year. What is success to you, anon?

[Anonymous No.4706337]

>>4700998
26 years old. Been drawing pretty much my whole life but only started getting serious at the end of 2018. Before then I could really only do basic doodles and shit. Still wouldn't consider myself a very good artist. It entertains me and I enjoy though al the quality doesn't matter as much

[Anonymous No.4706398]

I'm 18. I started drawing seriously at the beginning of this year. I'm not happy with my progress, but I guess that's to be expected since I wasted the first couple months of the year doing nothing but doodling and have spent more time playing vidya than drawing.

[Anonymous No.4706445]

>>4706398
Most of talented person itt

[Anonymous No.4706449]

>>4706398
You made more progess than 80% of /ic/. Keep going

[Anonymous No.4706462]

to ALL of you showing your month-to-month improvements, you are inspirational :)

[Anonymous No.4706634]

I've been comparing my art to a lot of Art Progress videos on Youtube, and even though I didn't practice as much as I know I could have, I feel like I progressed pretty well.

My pic on the left looks like what someone between the ages of 8-9 would be drawing, while my pic on the right looks like an average 12-13 year old's level.

A jump of ~3-4 years in the span of approx. 1 year is pretty good.

The "highschool years" will take a bit longer, but I can probably reach a 15-16 y/o's level by next year.

I'm currently in my mid 20's btw.

[Anonymous No.4706648]

I'm 28, soon 29. Was drawing since childhood, but with long breaks and unsystematically. Started taking art classes in 2018, so far it's nice going.

[Anonymous No.4706672]

I was 26 when i started in 2013, I’m 33 now. I consider myself one of the older people on /ic/. What a long strange trip it’s been.

It’s never too late to do what you enjoy. Recently, I’ve been so excited about drawing that I have been using it to procrastinate my other projects.

[Anonymous No.4706692]

>>4701439
factually incorrect, you learn slower with age but still being capable to graps new concepts and execute them. While it keep dropping gradually with age, sharp drops occur after 12-14 and then again after 60 years. I already provided links for said researches in previous threads but everyone seems to ignore them, probably because ic have agenda for sabotaging fellow artists or just looking for excuses to not put in work

[Anonymous No.4706767]

>>4706398
I-IM GONNA COOOOOM

[Anonymous No.4706833]

>>4706398
Dangerously based

[Anonymous No.4706867]

>>4706648
oy m8, you got a blawg? i dig your paintings

[Anonymous No.4706869]

I started a little young, 22 now and wanna be more consistent than the past few years. Not sure how I feel about 7 years of progress, but at least I feel like I'm in a good spot to keep learning.

>>4706672
I've seen your art around for a while, at least 4 years , and I look up to you, anon, your stuff is cool and dynamic and your progress is obvious

>>4706648
These are dope.

[Anonymous No.4706883]

>>4706672
very cool. You basically got good in 2 years and then just kept improving.

I wonder what "chisel tip" is?

[Anonymous No.4706884]

>>4706398
This improvement should have taken 3 weeks, max. At least its an improvement, though.

[Anonymous No.4706922]

>>4705751
You shoulda read a little anon, maybe you'd know where to place the eye sockets.

[Anonymous No.4706936]

>>4706672
NAISU

[Anonymous No.4706964]

>>4706672
NAISU
You draw crazy good long and thin figures especially good legs. Any artist specifically you studied or just anatomy in general?

[Anonymous No.4707256]

>>4701037
is that erza?

[Anonymous No.4707273]

>>4706869
Great progress, anon, keep it up!

[Anonymous No.4707345]

>>4707256
Yes

[Anonymous No.4707414]

>>4707345
You may want to look at some real life references for erect penises with incompletely retracted foreskins. The foreskin/prepuce is fairly thick tissue. It doesn't cling to the glans this tightly.

[Anonymous No.4707426]

>>4707414
Yeah

[Anonymous No.4707428]

>>4707345
MUST COOOOOM IN THIS THREAD

[Anonymous No.4707429]

Oh shit, we have got a coomer up here

[Anonymous No.4707430]

>>4707345
>>4707426
>I have never seen a penis
>t. F*moid
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.4707431]

22
Been drawing since 13. High intermediate level. My commissions only go for about 150/ fullbody tho. Don't think I will ever break past intermediate. I've been here for 5 years.

[Anonymous No.4707434]

>>4707431
Forgot to post your work

[Anonymous No.4707437]

>>4707434
I wont because it's embarrassing for me. 10 years and the best I have is intermediate boring furry art. Don't waste years like I did.

[Anonymous No.4707438]

>>4707431
Gotcha, he is OP from this thread https://boards.4chan.org/ic/thread/4705165/be-me-23#bottom

[Anonymous No.4707440]

>>4707430
The artist could simply be circumcised. I think females tend to draw penises in a different way.

[Anonymous No.4707443]

>>4707438
Not me but I hope that poor bastard gets better family and friends who don't lie. I think I've posted my work once or twice years ago

[Anonymous No.4707444]

>>4707430
>>4707440
Yamero

[Anonymous No.4707446]

>>4707444
What you drew wasn't bad, Anon. Foreskin is a complex organ and not a lot of artists do a good job of it. Japanese surely do, but its hard to study their work because of stupid censorship

[Anonymous No.4707449]

>>4707446
It's not difficult drawing a foreskin, you're just fucking lazy.

[Anonymous No.4707454]

>>4707449
Cuz you can always look at your own as an example

[Anonymous No.4707455]

>>4707454
Except for those that have been marked by the Juden.

[Anonymous No.4707459]

>>4707454
>Cuz you can always look at your own as an example
if only you knew how bad things really are

[Anonymous No.4707465]

>>4706634
Keep up the work!

[Anonymous No.4707477]

>>4707459
Must suck having a stinky hole.

[Anonymous No.4707478]

>>4707459
you got a weird dick?

[Anonymous No.4707484]

>>4701575
Keep going, or when you're 25 you'll regret not having tried all those years ago. Start now. Do a little every day, and a lot on some days.

[Anonymous No.4707490]

>>4704165
You're probably gonna feel discouraged hearing this but I started programming when I was 11 (so 22 years now? Goddamn).

If you read the right learning materials (which some have been linked here, and frankly there are tons of great coding resources online) and are diligent with your programming practices, you can become capable of a 6 figure job in about 2 years. This is if you study & program for 2-4 hours a day diligently. You *will* become good enough to work in inudstry

[Anonymous No.4707511]

>>4707490
Anon please... I'm trying to learn programming but nothing makes sense and I think I might have a learning disability. Can you point me to some resources? I started with python because someone said it was easy. Did I pick a bad starting point?

[Anonymous No.4707522]

>>4704157
I don't know. I'm not the kind of person that thinks keeping track of time is important, but I guess at least one or two hours a day.

>>4705075
Yes, I started drawing very late.

[Anonymous No.4707570]

The OP should have asked if you do commissions and your number of followers; otherwise how useful is your progress really

[Anonymous No.4707574]

>>4707570
Fuck no
Skill is way more important than followers to me

[Anonymous No.4707584]

>>4707574
I think the point at which a person can start doing commissions and whether a person is able to garner enough patrons to fuel the artists lifestyle is most important.

[Anonymous No.4707585]

>>4707574
to you it is. Many other people exploit an artists unpopularity as an excuse to pay lets say, instead of 80 dollars, 20 or 30. Popularity matters a lot and both of them contribute to price. If one is missing then an artist wont make nearly as much money

[Anonymous No.4707590]

>>4707585
also would like to point out how the golden rule exists even here: Balance is the single most important thing to ever exist. remember that

[Anonymous No.4707615]

>>4707584
Being able to do commissions doesn’t mean much. You can sell ten dollar commissions with beginner level work and say that youre good enough to do comms
Asking if people are able to support themselves through art alone here is pointless and not interesting

[Anonymous No.4707741]

>>4704215
>some of the greatest artists in history started around their late twenties

Name one
>inb4 Van Gogh

[Anonymous No.4707752]

>>4706398
Is it me or are kids now a day got into digital art so easily? I've seen so many 14 years old being fluent with the tablet and I'm here in my late 20s still doing traditional.

[Anonymous No.4707759]

>>4707752
You don’t know they’re fluent with their tablet by that picture alone. Each drawing could’ve taken them many hours

[Anonymous No.4707796]

>>4706672
lol i recognize your year 2 copics. I’ve been here too long. btw dont worry you arent the oldest person around here by at least a decade.

[Anonymous No.4707842]

>>4706445
I'm more like the most autistic person itt. I can spend hours redrawing the same lines until I'm satisfied.
>>4706884
I think you're right. I really wasted the entire first half of the year by being lazy and barely drawing. I'm trying to change though. Since the start of july I've spent as much time drawing as I did in may and june combined. Hopefully I start making gains faster and if I don't then I guess that means I have zero talent after all.
>>4707752
Don't worry. I have no idea what I'm doing with a tablet and each of those pictures took me a while to finish.

[Anonymous No.4707933]

>>4707490
Thanks for the honesty anon. Sucks that I probably missed that train but I guess I can still work hard.

[Anonymous No.4707940]

>>4706922
thanks for pointing that out, i like putting lots of space between eyes but i'll try putting them a bit closer see if it's more appealing.

[Anonymous No.4707969]

>>4707933
You missed out on some money but you can still make enough to retire by the time you're 40. Which is my plan still. I wish I was better at money management earlier, I'd already be 100% financially independent and just drawing/programming for fun everyday. Which is the dream.

[Anonymous No.4708481]

>>4706884
Wtf how 3 weeks max

[Anonymous No.4708612]

>>4708481
Loomis

[Anonymous No.4708637]

>>4708612
Is a meme

[Anonymous No.4708666]

>>4708637
NGMI

[Anonymous No.4708694]

Loomis is a discord tranny meme

[Anonymous No.4708702]

>>4708694
PYW

[Anonymous No.4708750]

>>4706867
I have an insta, but i rarely post there, i hate it's design. I think about starting a Twitter, but not sure with all that SJW-thing that i will do good there. Advices?

[Anonymous No.4708752]

>>4707484
I am! Thanks, I thought everyone was just gonna tell me I should give up because of my slow progress.

[Anonymous No.4708783]

>>4700998
27. Terrible with social media so I have like 0 following. Love drawing though and wanna get better and maybe even make my own manga. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4709001]

>>4708783
you are getting there

[Anonymous No.4709478]

>>4708702
Stfu tranny

[Anonymous No.4709566]

>>4707752
As time goes on, more young artist are able to draw full rendered artwork.

[Anonymous No.4710273]

Ilya drew only 2 hours a day before he landed a concept art job. What's your excuse for not making it?

[Anonymous No.4710291]

>>4710273
Anon did you get the wrong thread? You're supposed to post your work, age and how long you've been drawing

[Anonymous No.4710414]

>>4708750
Start your own website.