/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4690113]

Is chicken scratching really not okay?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlCKx6eAAaM

[Anonymous No.4690144]

>>4690113
that doesnt seem to be chicken scratched

[Anonymous No.4690151]

>>4690144
if you watch the video you see that h is petting the line, which is chicken scratching

[Anonymous No.4690177]

It's not. Do your homework.

[Anonymous No.4690230]

>>4690113
I believe that the main issue with chicken scratching is that the final product usually looks like crap if its all you do

They kinda do that in the sketch phase, and but later inks it as you would normally

[Anonymous No.4690239]

>>4690113
Does it look shit? It's chicken scratches.
Does it not look shit? It's not chicken scratches.
Be attractive, don't be unattractive.

[Anonymous No.4690241]

>>4690113
That boy is drawing loli porn, bro. Based.

[Anonymous No.4690244]

>>4690239
Doesn't even matter if it looks like shit in the context of OP because that screenshot is capped during the clean sketch phase

[Anonymous No.4690247]

>>4690241
It seems like you've never heard of based Hamada,

[Anonymous No.4690248]

>>4690113
This is Yoshi drawing his roughs. How you lay out your roughs in comics/manga means jack shit as long as you can interpret and translate them to the final inks

[Anonymous No.4690314]

>>4690248
>>4690244

So chicken scratching is ok?

[Anonymous No.4690318]

>>4690314
If you know what you're doing and don't allow it to make your forms fucky then yeah. Still better practice to draw cleanly.

[Anonymous No.4690557]

>>4690244
>that screenshot is capped during the clean sketch phase
He's chicken scratching the lineart aswell.

>>4690113
>>4690177
>>4690314
>>4690318
Chicken scratching is fine. If want clean lineart then it should be avoided. But during the sketch phase it's perfectly fine. And if you don't want lineart even better, you'll be painting over your sketch so whether you chicken scratched or not is irrelevant

[Anonymous No.4690564]

>>4690113
chicken scratching means blindly searching lines by inching your way forward. pic related is someone using short lines to describe a form they understand well.

[Anonymous No.4690565]

>>4690113
Even when I studied in an atelier they told me to just use multiple fine strokes to render the line. You just had to be precise about it instead of having stray ends fly everywhere.

Even when I watch people who draw with just a single stroke, they have to undo redraw the same line like 5 times.

[Anonymous No.4690573]

>>4690151
>>4690113
Yes, by all means continue chicken scratching if you think that's what you are seeing there.

[Anonymous No.4690623]

>>4690565
every fucking artist worth a shit uses multiple strokes. huston does it. vilppu does it. knass does it. weston does it. hampton does it. watts does it. look up old hogarth lectures; he did it too. look at any professional artist and they do it too. feng zhu does it. yoshinari does it. this whole "ONE SHOT ONE KILL IF YOU DON'T USE A SINGLE LINE FOR EVERY STROKE YOU SHOULD FUCKING KILL YOURSELF" mentality stems from the drawabox guy (who has terrible linework) badly misunderstanding dynamic sketching by peter han (who actually uses multiple strokes for single lines in his sketches, and teaches you to do that) and /beg/s worshipping KJG's direct drawing stunt shows.

[Anonymous No.4690661]

>>4690623
Technique is irrelevant if it serves a purpose and the result is great. If your results look messy and like shit you should change your approach, if your chickenscratching ends up looking like messy shit because it's just impatient visual noise you're doing something wrong.

[Anonymous No.4690666]

>>4690565
When they're accurate or you're restating a line that's one thing. I think of chicken scratching as being so messy and inaccurate that you lose forms and proportions.

[Anonymous No.4690669]

if it works it works. whatever. theres no hard science.

[Anonymous No.4691795]

I feel like this needs to be explained. You guys are conflating a lot of different things. It's normal, people do that all the time when they don't fully grasp the purpose behind certain strategies/exercises/techniques/etc but it's not quite what you think.

At the end of the day, *how* you draw your marks is up to you. It's not that there is no right nor wrong, it's that *you* decide what you're aiming for, and whether you hit it or not determines whether it was correct. If you want to draw a line, and the only reason you use chicken scratch is because you're physically incapable of drawing it in one go, then you never really made a conscious choice that "I am going to be sketchy with this mark". You just did what you knew you could do, not what you necessarily wanted to do.

>>4690623
Courses like drawabox push you to focus on thinking first, and then executing your marks with a single stroke, because it builds up good habits. It forces you to plan before you act, not to go with your gut instinct because you don't actually HAVE any instincts worth a damn as a beginner. Those instincts are things you develop by thinking first. As you get better, the amount of time you need between wanting to put a mark down and putting it down (that is, the planning and care in between) diminishes, and so when you need to draw quickly, you need to do rapid iterations on designs and whatnot, you'll be better equipped to do that.

Competent artists don't "chicken scratch". They may draw in a way that is visually similar to chicken scratch, but it's not chicken scratch because that's not the literal only thing they can physically do. When they make a mark up with individual strokes, they make those marks flow into one another, and those marks still individually serve their own purposes. They're not doing what beginners do, just building a bridge out of short sticks from point A to point B.

[Anonymous No.4691800]

>>4691795
I ran out of space to summarize the point I was making:

Just because a professional draws in a way that is *similar* to what others are telling you is a bad habit doesn't mean that you two are doing the same thing. Everything they're doing is informed by the years of training. All you're doing is literally the only thing you feel confident in at this very moment.

There's a big difference.

[Anonymous No.4692395]

CHICKEN SCRATCHING IS FINE.
As long as the drawing is clean.

[Anonymous No.4692409]

>>4690151
>you see that h is petting the line,
No that's not what he's doing retard

[Anonymous No.4693247]

Artists tell beginners to avoid chicken scratch and try to get a line in a single stroke in order to instill good practice in helping build hand-eye coordination.

Chicken scratch itself isn't bad for a sketch, that's just foundational stuff anyways. Sketch will most likely look like shit, but it really doesn't matter. But Begs will only aquire bad muscle memory and line habits from drawing sketchy lines which they are prone to do as Beg which is why they're told to avoid it.