Grinding like an asian for a whole year:

[Anonymous No.4678255]

Been in a lazy rut for the past few months with art and was thinking. What if i grinded like an asian for 1 year? Think about it, asian schools are tougher than schools in the west. They make great art because of heavy discipline and that heavy discipline is powered by fear of failure.

I'm relatively young, i could become a decent artist in about a year if i do this. Of course i know about burnout if i rush into it too much.

>inb4 how you gonna have fun anon wtf?
To me this is like a mindset "knowing that you must succeed or you fail at life" type of thing. Call me a masochist or sadist or some shit but that sounds fun as hell. Plus i'm literally doing nothing at the moment right now. I'm a NEET almost at the borderline of becoming a hikkimori. I have to learn to be great at something right?!

>Plus if i get demotivated early on i'll watch this. It always motivates me:
https://youtu.be/TXswlCa7dug

[Anonymous No.4678257]

I couldn't find a good op picture to fit this oops. I'm going to bed

[Anonymous No.4678259]

Within a few weeks you'll be addicted to the progress you make. Go for it!

[Anonymous No.4678261]

>>4678255
im calling bullshit. theres no fucking way.

[Anonymous No.4678263]

If you could do it, you would've done it already.

[Anonymous No.4678265]

what lesson plan???? the fuck

[Anonymous No.4678288]

>>4678259
I sense pro/int skill level coming from you. Your comment makes me wanna go further.

>>4678261
Then do it with me anon! We can both become the equivalent of pro asian artists.

>>4678263
This is my already anon. The time is right now. I failed alot of things but art is the only thing pulling me back despite everything. I know i will make it.

>>4678265
I already have a list of books in pic related to follow. I can time my hours out like any basic school schedule. Since i don't wanna burnout i will start with 4 hours a day and gradually increase it by a max if 8 or 9 hours with breaks inbetween.

Of course i will also need to reconstruct from imagination and train from reference as well.

[Anonymous No.4678292]

Make a blog and keep us updated anon.

[Anonymous No.4678298]

>>4678288
Im in,

Im going to bed
But ima save this pic

[Anonymous No.4678303]

>>4678255
>They make great art because of heavy discipline and that heavy discipline is powered by fear of failure.

as you said, you are very young and everything you say sounds so obnoxious and gullible

They make great art because there are a billion of them, everyone is trying to set themselves apart from the chink next to them, and the competition is absolutely ruthless and devours you. Most of the good ones comes from poor backgrounds and grind in their little rooms for 16h a day while helping out their families with work and taking care of siblings. They know they are literally worthless if they don't become someone that stands above others in their craft.

It seems you're are just looking for a nice side activity to kill time while neeting on the internet and playing games. But really that's up to you

[Anonymous No.4678307]

How exactly does one "grind like an asian"?

[Anonymous No.4678308]

>>4678288
You should probably read hustons book before hampton

[Anonymous No.4678313]

I'd highly recommend Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing From Life.

[Anonymous No.4678317]

>>4678303
Funny your fragile argument also applies to pajeets yet they can't produce even a handful of mediocre artists

[Anonymous No.4678321]

>>4678292
This. It sounds insane, but maybe with a blog you can keep yourself accountable. But realize when signs of burnout hit and counteract them as soon as possible

[Anonymous No.4678323]

>>4678303
Also don’t listen to loud beginner crabs like this guy. They hate themselves and don’t love drawing

[Anonymous No.4678326]

Another one of these.

[Anonymous No.4678340]

>>4678255
The real key is passion mang. I personally started from zero at 22 and I enjoyed the process and my growth so fucking much I quit gaming entirely, drawing was more fun than 6000th run of Dota, i did it 6000 times already, i'm tired. I also quit smoking because it helped me wake up earlier, helthier thinner blood runs better, your body and brain sleep quicker - one or two more waking hours to draw. I could skip uni every day and just drawn for 12 to 16 hours every day because I enjoyed it very much, my ife was literally wake up - draw - go to sleep, and I was fucking drawing and blending in my dreams.

I set myself a goal to get a comission in one year and I hit it. On the second year I became a mediocre /int artist.

You see when you just begin you know fucking nothing so you can literally improve every day, each of your pictures can be better than the previous, you feel it and you get addicted to it, also the d/ic/ks were much better and would actually help each other and guide me. It's really easy to improve when everybody can tell you what's wrong and how to fix.

But to be honest it ends when move past the fundies and need to advane your style, taste, vision but still you will be at least mediocre by then. There are 1000 books on boxes, but where are the books on style?

[Anonymous No.4678344]

>>4678326
ikr, do we have even a single one that has kept his word and made decent progress?
I know these sort of threads have been created pretty much weekly since 2016 but not a single "pro in 1 year" progress to speak of

[Anonymous No.4678346]

>>4678255
Good luck, but there's no way these people didn't get there with some kind of teacher/mentor/source of critique. If you don't have that then one year is unrealistic imo.

[Anonymous No.4678347]

>>4678340
Did you draw a lot from life and imagination, or grind fundies and loomis like so many people on this board suggest?

[Anonymous No.4678351]

>>4678255
After 2012 it’s all the same, so you really only need 3yrs

[Anonymous No.4678352]

>>4678340
Honestly want you to pyw

[Anonymous No.4678378]

>>4678347
I studied seriously, with books and video courses and avoide 5min tutorials. I was looking for understanding and not hacks. Torrent that sht from CGPEERS or somewhere like that, I'm serious it's golden.

"Loomis" is literally a meme stand in for the fundies, he wrote the books about everything but he's not the best at anything. The most helpful book about boxes is "How To Draw" but it's a bit of a learning wall, I'd suggest you start at a simplier book then go through how to draw.
As for anatomy Glenn Vilppu is a wizard, his abstract teachings are fucking esoteric but at some point you can do it too, you don't understand it you feel it, you train the neural network between your ears to do it. Top it off with Hampton "anatomy for design and invention" for solid understanding of structure, they aren't conflicting they are two cheeks of one ass. Proko has helpful videosfor when you got confused with Hampton, he doesn't have anythingoriginal, his entire fucking channel is regurgitating Vippu and Hampton badly, but he shows fancy 3d models.

I also was really fucking stubborn about not copying anything ever, I would use a reference but I would flip it or turn it, I would draw a person from picture in a different pose or take the pose and put a different person there. I'm not sure if it helped or hurt me but I considered it to be a workout for my spatial reasoning and mental rotation. Well now I can draw complicated poses from unusual angles completely from imagination.

>to grind or to just draw
Again these are two cheeks of one ass. If you don't grind you don't learn, studying and working are different, but if you don't draw you don't know what to grind so obviously do both. Draw and be extremely critical of yourself then focus on improving the worst aspects of your fuck ups. Like try drawing to the best of your ability and then figure out which part of it is the most fucked, work to improve that.

[Anonymous No.4678389]

>>4678255
Make a thread showing your progress every month or so for accountability, and so that we can see if you’re actually improving or not. I don’t actually think you’ll stick with it, but it’d be interesting if you did.

[Anonymous No.4678400]

>>4678255
>Grinding like an asian
wow... -so much autism!!!!

[Anonymous No.4678405]

>>4678378
>recommending vilppu
based!

[Anonymous No.4678567]

>>4678344
this place doesn't foster the kind of values you'd expect to find in people who make it in a year.

conceptart forum was the opposite though, feels like almost everyone who gave a real shot at it made it there. pretty crazy.

[Anonymous No.4678581]

>>4678317
Pajeets do the same but with programming

[Anonymous No.4678592]

>>4678378
Could you please tell me which of Vilppu's courses is the anatomy one? He has so many of them

[Anonymous No.4678767]

>>4678317
>>4678323

you can cope how much you want, but your artistic aptitude and that of of those pajeets you're speaking of is seemingly identical

the fact that you feel attacked makes it obvious that you're some underage lower beg fag who enjoys blog posting about his new year resolutions and pompous ambitions. Work silently and impress with your results beg-kun, only then are you allowed to comment back to actual artists without coming off as an assblasted squeaker

>i could become a decent artist in about a year if i do this
>Of course i know about burnout if i rush into it too much
>how you gonna have fun anon wtf?
>Plus i'm literally doing nothing at the moment right now.
>I'm a NEET almost at the borderline of becoming a hikkimori. I have to learn to be great at something right?!
>Plus if i get demotivated early on i'll watch this
just digest this mindset, you want to do art because you're bored and have nothing to do, you could just as well do music or write fanfiction

Not one of your supporters here will post their work either because they are just as beg as you; ego and pretentious ambitions without any love for art

[Anonymous No.4678769]

Are you grinding yet?

[Anonymous No.4678779]

>>4678340
Damn, if 12 hours a day is not enough to escape from average skills, I'm doomed.

[Anonymous No.4678782]

>>4678592
The Figure drawing course where he starts with the gesture, the ovoid shapes and the boxy shapes is the one that goes hand in hand with his "Vilppu Drawing Manual" book. It's basically 1 chapter = 1 video so it's way more comprehensive together.

He has newer courses too, he probably re-released them a couple times. The problem is that he's really fucking old and in his new videos you can hardly tell what is he saying and his old videos when he could still talk clearly were rleased on VHS and the video is less than ideal.

[Anonymous No.4678840]

>>4678779
The way out of awerage isn't in the books, I think when you get there you should figure out what exactly you want to draw like, find a guy who does that and offer the money to mentor you or something.

[Anonymous No.4678844]

>>4678400
So are you denying pic related?

[Anonymous No.4678926]

>>4678255
I wish someone would finally give a real answer as to how someone can make the 2011-2012 progress from OP's pic. Clearly there's more to it than "just draw more" and "loomis" otherwise we'd be seeing a lot more people at that skill level.

[Anonymous No.4678949]

>>4678926
>ctrl+paint
>robertson how to render
>parctice rendering your fucking boxes and spheres,
>do picrelated

[Anonymous No.4678960]

>>4678949
>no hair or cloth

[Anonymous No.4678967]

>>4678949
If I do that then I'll just be really good at hiding my shitty anatomy.

[Anonymous No.4678971]

>>4678960
>anon posted 9 examples
>that means I only draw these 9 spheres and nothing else

Well you might need to attend a special needs art school.

[Anonymous No.4678974]

>>4678967
Oh I assumed you covered the anatomy before.
but just between me and you a floating head has no anatomy.

[Anonymous No.4678976]

>>4678960
>>4678967
You want everything to be spoonfed to you? Fuck off you lazy /beg/tard.

[Anonymous No.4679053]

>>4678352
Not him but I'll post my work and maybe type long winded stuff bout my thoughts on my own progress. You can see most of my old art from last year here, since I started grinding using /v/ draw thread requests https://vidyart.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=katsunei&pid=120 (Quit video games to draw more though, so naturally I eventually stopped going there too)
I'm currently 22, almost 23 in August, and I started a year and 5 months ago. I began studying a bit of proko just to try and learn human anatomy, I should've done far more grinding when looking into certain stuff, so I feel that I'm a bit behind now, this goes for gesture drawing too which I neglected for many months in drawing every day for 8ish hours. Right now I think the things that I have the most difficulty with regarding anatomy is drawing good faces, good faces in perspective, well I guess perspective overall, hands of course, sometimes legs and how skin deforms when moving in some places of the body. I hope to at least get better with hands by the end of next month which I'm trying to grind.
I got some critique on pic related already so I'm aware of its issues. Just sharing my thoughts I guess. I'll be happy to one day look back on my current art and be able to know exactly how to improve it

[Anonymous No.4679057]

Sadlawn again?

[Anonymous No.4679064]

>>4679057
did he achieve his goal

[Anonymous No.4679065]

>>4679053
Dude whats your grind??

[Anonymous No.4679066]

>>4678926
There is literally nothing more to improving than just doing it everyday AND finding a group of artistic friends so you all want to impress/best each other with art. I bet you the author of op art didn't even study anything during 2011-2012 besides generic realistic hair tutorial on da or the "how to draw semi realistic anime" one.
My old, shitty progress mockup with wip works from 6 years ago when I was a tween. There is lots of mistakes I couldn't see at the time, but still a proof that you can make big improvements without anything "more to it" or art books/school as long as you draw everyday and share it with others.

[Anonymous No.4679070]

>>4679065
You can see my grind right there
I drew characters that I wanted to and I'd usually color them, though I do have drawings that I never do finish nowadays. I like this term I read here recently, it's "analysis paralysis" and that's the thing everyone should be avoiding. If you're spending more time thinking about how to go about improving, you're already doing the wrong thing. Load up references and material and then get drawing. Time isn't slowing down for you, so you should get to work today and draw

[Anonymous No.4679087]

>>4679053
You're doing fine for a fresh guy, some faggots open a patreon and grow complacent at your level. You're already a low end coomer, don't stop. (and don't think you can compete with Shadman and other no skill memes, they are personalities and meme names)

The things I don't like about your picture are:
1 weak torso anatomy, I see this mistake is shared by a trillion faggots and even low end mangakas, I have a theory it's transmitted from a mediocre artist to noobs through 5minute guides and tutorials, read a fucking book.

your torso is observed half-sideways but everything I can see is her belly that goes to her fucking back. you straight up don't have an idea about the sides (oblique muscules/"sex lines") and her pelvis structure is straight up symbolic, you observed a pelvic bump that's in the very front of the body and put it on her back. Learn simple torso constructions (bean for a chest, box/bowl for pelvis etc) and don't hide the body behind the tits.

2 Also the colors are ovrsaturated.

The abdomen is probably the most difficult part of the body because it's a lot of really subtle but meaningful shapes. But if you actually learn it you will be ahead of a lot artists you used to consider cool.

[Anonymous No.4679096]

>>4679057
Oh shit fucking sadlawn
What happened to the guy?

[Anonymous No.4679102]

>>4679070
You color OK but you lack solid structure, practice more constructions with Vilppu and Hampton

Like draw ripped tomboys using male bodybuilders as reference and Hampton schemes as a guide. Huge pronounced shapes are just easier to get than smooth and subtle ones.
A thin chick has everything exactly the same as a ripped roid builder except it's all amaller and finer.

[Anonymous No.4679114]

>>4679087
I actually did open a patreon recently, but it's not to just try and cash in and feel complacent with my skills. It's so that I both have more time to complete each piece, and I feel obligated to try and do my best with focused work. I'm not in a place where I can single endless hours into drawing and not try to make money from it, I help out with the bills now that I can earn at least something through drawing. Two days ago I actually started drawing the simple shapes that proko recommends for the pelvis because I'm constantly trying to wing that area and it's tiresome doing so, then I want to move onto other areas. I'd normally get critique like "x looks weird" and that's about it from an old artist friend of mine and I realized they were helping me less and less so I'm simply not going to them anymore, I'm trying to learn more by myself and sometimes get feedback from here. Most of my references use real people so it's not like I'm completely ignoring anything real life trying to draw anime. I was told that my colors are too saturated yeah
Anyway thanks for the crit. Me sharing my completed work definitely does not mean I'm close to being okay with my art quality, I'm always looking to improve even if I feel happy about a drawing I just finished. Learning is a long journey
>>4679102
I did start some Vilppu and didn't go back to his videos, but I will later today since everyone here really loves him. Didn't look into hampton yet

[Anonymous No.4679126]

>>4679102
>Like draw ripped tomboys using male bodybuilders as reference
Forgot to say that I like this advice in my previous post. I'm 100% interested in drawing toned female characters but don't tackle it more often because I hardly run into images of women with enough muscle definition for reference. I suppose I will use pictures of males and try my best to convert it to female. Pic related is from an artist I enjoy

[Anonymous No.4679144]

>>4678307
>How exactly does one "grind like an asian"?

Anon probably means having a work ethic

Also this is a factor:
>>4678259
>Within a few weeks you'll be addicted to the progress you make. Go for it!

[Anonymous No.4679152]

>>4679096
>>4656894

[Anonymous No.4679165]

>>4679152
kek

[Anonymous No.4679178]

>>4678255
If you have the discipline then go ahead, my dude.

[Anonymous No.4679185]

>>4679114
How much are you making?

[Anonymous No.4679192]

How much money can you make with non porn comissions and who usually tend to buy those? desu porn seems profitable but I still have something of a moral barrier against it I can't bring myself to do it, also I've seen this >>4678767 style around here as the "making it" level, don't particularly like it myself but whatever, where do these people work? The closest style to that is from lol and those kind of games

[Anonymous No.4679195]

>>4679053
Did you have any prior experience or was this from scratch? Progress seems insane and beyond most /begs if from scratch

[Anonymous No.4679209]

>>4679185
Almost nothing from patreon atm (I have like 8 patrons and only ask for a minimum of 2 bucks since I care less about the money and more about the shown support)
with commissions, a few hundred a month depending on how fast I feel like working. I pace myself with them so that I don't feel burnt out constantly drawing what others want me to draw
>>4679195
I tried and quit many years ago, the art you see there on the last page is what my art looked like when I was first trying to start out in high school. I'd try drawing anime eyes and watch fucking mark crilley videos, and copy works traditionally extremely poorly, I basically made no progress then and only learned to use a tablet eventually. I gave up and thought that I'm just not meant to become a better artist. So I got older and my thinking process matured and I returned to drawing, where I now have a better eye for quality and far better discipline. I haven't even masturbated in weeks because I'd much rather draw and consume series that inspire me such as Queen's Blade
Also that progress is not insane, I think it's average and many people could do better if they put their heart into it. Drawing is my passion right now and the only thing that gets me down about it is my lack of skill. I'd love to make doujin esque works one day in the future and just live that life even if it means being poor. As long as I can live and create

[Anonymous No.4679237]

>>4679192
Compared to the average coomer artist, they make around 50% less. Sex sells anon, a lot more than sfw shit. Alan becker who is an animator on youtube since 2006 makes nothing on his patreon. He gets millions of views from his animations and still makes less than people like belle delphine. Belle makes at least 21k a month.

[Anonymous No.4679241]

post what you have grinded so far op

[Anonymous No.4679242]

>>4678255
sauce

[OP No.4679260]

Op here i have a shit load of reading to do.
>>4678292
>>4678321
>>4678389
>>4678346
I was thinking of making a DAD account and posting my exercises and full work on there and then every three months i'll post in the progress thread. But i've never had a blog before so i don't know if it would be better than posting on here and on DAD?

>>4678298
Heck yeah anon!

>>4678303
>>4678317
>>4678323
>>4678767
I am not any of the anons you were responding to but you have a good point that applies to me nonetheless.
My country doesn't have that much competition that drives you to draw crazy hours like asian countries. I mean i want to make it but what is making it? Is it making money off of a career in art? Is it being a highly skilled artist of your caliber? Or is it having art on the sidelines while your main career funds your hobby? I still have college ahead of me fuck. I need to reevalueate if i'm taking art seriously or if i'm just another /beg/ wanting to be the next "great" artist and failing at it.
>Work silently and impress with your results beg-kun, only then are you allowed to comment back to actual artists without coming off as an assblasted squeaker
I'll sit down and be humble then.

>>4678307
>>4679144
It's nothing but a disciplined school-like schedule. The first of July is 4 hours a day. Then August is 5 hours a day, September is 6 and then so on. Until december which will become 8 or 9 hours a day.
>So it takes you half a year to get serious hours? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of "grinding like an asian"?
I'm making the schedule up as i go. I've got until july to do this. Meanwhile for the rest of June i'll still draw 4 hours a day and plan this stuff out. If any anon can help think of a better schedule that would be appreciated.

>>4678308
>>4678313
I should read huston before hampton. Good thought anon! I will also look into bridgeman and vilppu as well.

Not done responding to everyone being a phonefag sucks moving to pc.

[Anonymous No.4679279]

>>4678255

You're not going to make it in 1 year. Try 3 to 5 years of hard work. I'll see you on /dad/ nonetheless; you can prove me wrong there or see who will come out on top first. I plan on doing the same, but I'm more realistic with the length of time.

[Anonymous No.4679301]

>>4679237
>coomer artist
>using Belle as an example
Eh?

[Anonymous No.4679320]

>>4678288
I'm in.
I'll fucking do it.
I'll make it.

[Anonymous No.4679327]

>>4678581
Pajeets can't program.
t. actual programmer

[Anonymous No.4679329]

>>4678288
Bad list/order.

[Anonymous No.4679331]

>>4678567
>conceptart forum was
And the sadness is in the "was".
What happened?
Really, what happened?!

[OP No.4679374]

>>4678326
>>4678400
>>4678844
>>4678344
>>4678567
>>4679057
>>4679064
>>4679096
>>4679152
>>4679165
>>4679279
>>4678288
>Anons that made posts like mine didn't complete their goal.
Well fuck if that isn't discouraging i don't know what is. I remember another anon from here said he could become BBC chan's level in three months. I don't know what happened to the guy or if that anon even posts here anymore. Sadlawn didn't become pro in one year either. Realistically i sound like some weird ass shounen protagonist that thinks grinding to pro level in one year is all it takes. If it weren't for anons like >>4678303 >>4678767 redpilling me on this shit i would have been like sadlawn. Plus i just came up with this idea at like 3am in the morning watching asian students life in cramming and studying their lives away to get a job they don't even like in order to say they "made it".
I got some serious thinking to do.

So what if i grind to find out what is my GMI? I grind to a decent level and decide what to do from there?
People have a different perspective of what is making it for them as i said in my previous post (>>4679260)
So i become decent at art and decide if i want to make a career out of it or have another career to carry my art? I have time to decide so why not do it while i'm young enough?

However there's this, If i actually complete the one year "grind" and become a legitimate pro artist i'd be the first person ever on /ic/ to grind for one year and have results to back it up.

>It's either look at this realistically since you have a 95% chance of failure to become a PRO artist in one year due to burn out and other unpredictable life problems that will inevitably get thrown your way or take the chance and grind hard to become a pro INSTEAD of being a decent artist in one year.

damn i have about 5 days to think on this i dunno what to do thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4679389]

>>4679066
Let me guess the mistake:
this progress should have taken 4 weeks.

[Anonymous No.4679393]

>>4679374
>watching asian students life in cramming and studying their lives away to get a job they don't even like in order to say they "made it".
source?

[Anonymous No.4679394]

>>4679301
I think he lists her as a "sex sells" example

[Anonymous No.4679398]

>>4679374
Consider that once one goes pro one will not associate with this website that much anymore, unless you made yourself a name here.

[Anonymous No.4679399]

>>4679374
>Plus i just came up with this idea at like 3am in the morning
That's already a redflag lol
>I remember another anon from here said he could become BBC chan's level in three months. I don't know what happened to the guy
Of course he went off the radar. Threads like this are a dime a dozen and 9 times outta 10 it ends up being forgotten by the op or they just give up after some time, and make excuses as to why they haven't followed through with what they claimed they were setting out to pursue

[Anonymous No.4679405]

>>4679374
>damn i have about 5 days to think on this i dunno what to do thoughts?

Go to a website for entertainment arts curriculum in california. Look at their schedule and it'll tell you it's virtually impossible to grind out all of that in 1 year, even if you're a neet fuck. 2 years is definitely possible.


Also, take any infographics posted here with a grain of salt. Do NOT follow them.

[Anonymous No.4679410]

>>4679374
Do you actually love drawing? Do you actually have something you want to draw? Do you constantly have new ideas that you genuinely want to execute and draw everyday? If not and your head's empty, then your plan is not gonna work and you need to step back and take a slower route.
Not that it's completely hopeless, but you're not gonna make it with a 1-year power grind.

[Anonymous No.4679416]

Whilst I encourage grinding, this guy already knew how to draw. The first two drawing are done with a mouse, and they weren't anything he was taking seriously.

[Anonymous No.4679421]

>>4679260
See you on DAD

[Anonymous No.4679424]

There's always someone like this coming every other month or so, always with the same enthusiasm but they all quickly burn out. OP is gonna be the same I guarantee it.

The prospect of doing this always gonna sound "fun as hell", but actually studying and continually failing is another story. Sometimes you do need a break for your mind to reorganize and to see what approaches work best. You're not gonna see a steady rise in gains, sometimes it can take a lot of time before a massive increase in gains.

That "I have to be great at something, right" is another red flag. OP like so many others idealize being an artist more than the actual actual activity of drawing. It's always fun to lay out a plan, always fun to plan how many hours you're gonna grind, always fun to lay a deadline, but these people always fail because of that. Their plans are so rigid and they force themselves instead of doing the amount their heart really tells them to do. They see their dreams of being adulated escaping instead of actually cherishing their drawings and their gains.

[Anonymous No.4679427]

>>4679260
Can you do 15 hours a day? Because you said 1 year. That's the minimum amount of hours a day you have to put in if you want to get somewhere in a year. Do 15 hours a day for a week and then report back, otherwise, respect the art process and be more realistic in your expectations.

[OP No.4679562]

>>4679393
It's in the op https://youtu.be/TXswlCa7dug
>>4679398
That's true sadly.
>>4679399
>>4679405
>>4679416
>>4679424
>>4679427
>>4679410
>>4679399
>>4679410
>Red flags all around OP. Be realistic and enjoy the art process. Don't rush or you WILL burnout.
Yeah i'm thinking that too. Considering most anons here that attempted this or something shorter and similar to this burned out heavily. Is grinding 15 hours a day really worth it to lose passion for art? Nah i can't let that happen. i'm not interested in anything else in my life like art. Plus i'm a /beginner/ underestimating how much you need in order to master a lifetime craft.
There are things i want to draw however. I want to make comics or animations of stories i wanna tell. I don't care if i don't generate an audience, revenue or anything at all. I just want be happy drawing stuff i want to draw.
I will go with my alternative plan of taking it slow but sticking to my 4 hours a day schedule. Better than 15 hours a day.
Thanks for responding to my thread /ic/ you just saved this /beg/ from hand/wrist injury, burnout, and losing passion for art.

>>4679421
>See you on DAD
I'll be posting there as much as i can do everyday.
See you there anon.

[Anonymous No.4679612]

I had a S Korean penpal who attempted suicide due to the school system's pressure, not sure how that video could be motivating. Not trying to be a crab, good luck with whatever path you take.

[Anonymous No.4679737]

>>4678389
not op, but i think this is bannable. If not, i'd start doing that too

[Anonymous No.4679738]

>>4678255
Holy shit what the hell happened between 2011 and 2012 and who is this guy?

[Anonymous No.4679754]

>>4679737
No it's not?

[Anonymous No.4679778]

I’ve been wanting to do something like this forever. You should make a discord server.

[Anonymous No.4679779]

>>4679738
>doesn’t even know wanke
Embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.4679812]

>>4679778
>I've been procrastinating

[Anonymous No.4680051]

>>4679779
Well now I know wanke, his instagram has good demon slayer art, now answer the question anon we all want to know his secret

[Anonymous No.4680057]

>>4680051
he sucked marco's pp

[Anonymous No.4680067]

>>4680057
Alright, marco, come to papa

[Anonymous No.4680081]

Is drawing on the right side still good? Did I miss something?

[Anonymous No.4680174]

>>4680051
I know his secret but why should I tell you?

[Anonymous No.4680188]

>>4678378
>The most helpful book about boxes is "How To Draw"
Which one?

[Anonymous No.4680190]

>>4680188
how to draw by scott robertson

[Anonymous No.4680262]

>>4678340
Post artwork from 2 years ago and one from now please. Would like to see the growth.

[Anonymous No.4680310]

>>4680190
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4680405]

>>4678255
>heavy discipline is powered by fear of failure
wrong. it just makes me freeze more.

[Anonymous No.4680434]

>>4679562
Whatever happens, persistence is key. Keep drawing, I'll cheer you on.

[Anonymous No.4680440]

>>4679812
I’ve been drawing mostly everyday just not 8+ hours. I want to do more though.

[Anonymous No.4680445]

>>4680405
What doesn't make you freeze then?

[Anonymous No.4680551]

>>4679562
DAD is good when you're starting out, but it doesn't really have the infrastructure to support someone mass grinding.

join houses on discord instead, I think somebody got ~450 points once. you should be able to beat that if you're really driven, and you'll have good community support. would love to see the equivalent of a rapoza/algenpfleger on houses, those guys posted 12-16hours of work daily on CA forums.

[Anonymous No.4680624]

>>4678255
Excuse me what happened in 2011-2012??

[Anonymous No.4680709]

>>4680624
He did a video interview where he talked about what he did. Also the picture is cropped to look more flattering than the full thing is

[Anonymous No.4680713]

>>4680709
i was gonna say, the real transformation is 2012-2013. What the shit is that. Can you link the interview?

[Anonymous No.4680843]

>>4680551
what is houses and where on discord? Hmm

[Anonymous No.4680846]

Have you grinded yet OP?
Show what you drew today

[Anonymous No.4680872]

>>4680846
Hahaha

[Legit True Story 10/10 Happene(...) No.4680914]

>>4680624
He stopped coming to /ic/.

[Anonymous No.4680927]

What's your dad username

[Anonymous No.4680932]

>>4679389
there is no progress. he didn't make any kind of move from symbol drawing into 3d forms in that chart. they're all flat shapes with no dimensionality

[Anonymous No.4681013]

>>4680846
Kek based

[Anonymous No.4681030]

>>4680846
Not OP, but >>4679320

My name is corporateukulelemusic on DAD, follow me to mock my progress so that I can use my hatred as fuel towards progress.

I am a 1st day /bed/, btw.

[Anonymous No.4681033]

>>4680846
Not OP, but >>4679320 (You)

My name is corporateukulelemusic on DAD, follow me to mock my progress so that I can use my hatred as fuel towards progress.

I am a 1st day /beg/, btw.

[Anonymous No.4681109]

>>4681033
That name sounds familiar

[Anonymous No.4681113]

>>4681033
Hey I just looked at your work today too I was gonna say something nice in the thread

[Anonymous No.4681124]

>>4680846
Uh oh

[Anonymous No.4681150]

>>4679374
>i'd be the first person ever on /ic/ to grind for one year and have results to back it up.
No there was guy who actually did that, forget his name though..

[Anonymous No.4681261]

>OP probably gave up already

[Anonymous No.4681311]

I am in a simillar boat except for not so young and already almost full month in.
I face a problem that I've finished Hampton's book I've been using as a souce of subjects to draw and now I need a new source for it.
Any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.4681517]

>>4681033
Anon gave me some advixe on mountains, but I didn't really follow it... with expectable results. I thought it looked awful, and it is, yet surprisingly its better than yesterdays work.

>>4681311
>>4679778
and OP and others:
give me your dad names. I will follow and comment everyone who started DAD with this thread. We'll hold each others accountable.

[Anonymous No.4681522]

>>4680846
OP, I believed in you!

[Anonymous No.4681523]

>>4678255
Have you seen this OP?
All in one year

[Anonymous No.4681526]

>>4681033
(me)
>>4681311
>>4679778
and OP and others:
give me your dad names. I will follow and comment everyone who started DAD with this thread. We'll hold each others accountable.

>>4681109
I am in a few art discords but drew very little, like once a week ngmi. Instead of CorporateUkuleleMusic I also go by the name of UkuleleCorporateMusic now, because apparently my previous name was offensive.

If you are from Sacret Band Of Thebes or Art Friends pls re-invite.
UkuleleCorporateMusic#4527

[Anonymous No.4681529]

>>4681523
Is it true? Could be 4 years and a wicked sense of humour instead.

[Anonymous No.4681534]

>>4681523
There's no way dude. Not unless someone spoonfed them every single day along the way, whipping them when they didn't draw.

[Anonymous No.4681535]

>>4681529
it legit. The guy was on an interview and he said he grinded 10-16 hours a day iirc

[Anonymous No.4681540]

>>4681523
You learned the coloring technique and nothing else, your lighting has no distinct direction and the shapes look flat.

[OP No.4681543]

>>4679612
Honestly i don't even know myself. Maybe it's because in the video those people were working really hard and that motivated/inspired me to do the same.

>>4680434
Thanks anon i'll keep going.
>>4680551
What are houses and where can i find them when i am further in my art journey?
>>4680846
I just woke up so i don't have anything i drew today yet. I did however draw yesterday and did some perspective practice. I feel perspective is something i'm servely lacking. That and use of color and lines.
I like the charcoal tool though.

>>4681261
>>4679562

I seriously hoped this thread would be finished after i made my last OP comment but oof.
I'll be posting from DAD from now on and try to stop coming here. This place can be addicting sometimes. Just drawing for right now but going slow and tackling my mistakes.
I'm /beg/ for now but soon i'll be decent.

[Anonymous No.4681545]

>>4681540
>You
Retard

[Anonymous No.4681553]

>>4681543
Wow op you're already grinding like an asian under pressure

[Anonymous No.4681554]

>>4681545
seethe, good luck learning anything with that attitude.

[Anonymous No.4681566]

>>4681554
My name isn't seethe either

[Anonymous No.4681575]

>>4681526
I don't do Dad.
I just do it on my own because first and foremost I do it for myself and not others. No one cares about what I do so I am the only one accountable for what I am doing and I keep myself in line. One day I came back from work exhausted and pass out on the coach without drawing, so I woke up at 3AM, did my daily drawing session studies and went back to sleep.
Anyway I need some good book filled with subjects to draw. Any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.4681586]

>>4681575
quickposes.com, line-of-action.com

Free figure drawing sites with hundreds of photos to draw from, all set on a timer, putting one picture after the other in front of you. Make an account and track your drawing hours

[Anonymous No.4681593]

>>4678255
this is a stupid mindset and a trap most beginning /ic/ kids (yes, kids. 17-24 years old) fall into.
you will burn out and lose more progress that you gained, you need to be responsible and just dedicate a decent amount of time each day to deliberate practice, dont try to marathon 8+ hours a day, don't roleplay as a desperate artist who will literally kill themselves if they dont "make it" and understand that the number one reason to do art is because you love it. if youre in it for the money, chances are youre just a lazy romantic who is too much of a bitch to get a real job like everyone else.

[Anonymous No.4681630]

>>4678255
I've actually tried this before, OP. and to answer honestly I was probably getting around 5 hours daily with my peak being around 9ish hours, I was only able to do this for about 2 months, and I have to say the burnout is real, by the end of 2 months I was so tired and burnt out, The fact of the matter is that if you haven't had the discipline crammed into your skull at a young then it's very difficult to continually draw or study for 10s of hours If we look at asian schools like in Korea the students study 10s of hours a day. but for us westerners who didn't
have this schooling it's very difficult to match them. That being said it is possible, not art related but, pic related is Perkz from G2 and
they were able to beat one of the best korean teams Skt and get second place, although they ended up losing to chinese team. By practicing "like koreans" they were able to get on their level, this being said the amount of pain on his face shows it all really.. Here's the full documentary if you want to look into it.
https://youtu.be/5Td7UoOyQv8

I guess in short what i'm saying is that it's possible but brutal, regardless I wish you the best of luck OP.

[OP No.4681639]

Okay i'm trying to respond faster but these fucking captcha's are annoying as shit.

>>4680927
Harpie_Disk

>>4681311
If you really want to do it and improve you can try it. Be warned however other anons in this very thread have warned me that grinding so hard for 15 or 9 hours straight can cause wrist/hand injury and can feel like a chore if you don't love the process of drawing and improving. Not only that but life can unexpectly throw stuff at you. Other anons have tried to do this as a complete /beg/ but they rushed in too much. However despite me saying this i believe you can make it in a year to a decent level (Which is what i want to achieve) If you truly love the fuck out of art and the process, quit your addictions for extra time as well and make a plan. Don't rush it, be realistic as well and know your limits.
The reason why i'm not doing the extreme (Pro in one year challenge) is because i'm a beginner.People can improve tremendously because they heavily interested in the process of improve and their art. They appreciate everything about it and can continuously plan out ideas to draw via art projects and goals.
This post is an awesome example: >>4681523
>>4681535

You should ask yourself if you really want to do this

>But OP do you love art and it's process?
I love art. When it's done really well it looks awesome to look at. Improving is fun as well. I know what i need to work on which is getting out of my comfort zone and doing more art projects.
The main thing however is i need to love it more. I want to improve quickly but only focusing on that drives the fun away from art.
In my opinion fun is what makes you love making art. I didn't realize this until i had my first burnout.
Learning fundies is the number one way for your art to stand on it's own but if you don't have fun with it and art you won't carry your soul through it.

>>4681553
Oh you~

[Anonymous No.4681644]

>>4681535
Imagine grinding so hard just to end with a shitty, generic artstyle

[Anonymous No.4681649]

>>4681644
Imagine your father grinding your mother so hard only to end up with a NGMI loser such as yourself

[Anonymous No.4681657]

>>4681649
lmao weebs always get so salty went their shit taste gets called out

[Anonymous No.4681670]

>>4681657
Same could be said for people who like capeshit or western cartoons.

[Anonymous No.4681674]

>>4681535
Is that a YouTube vid?

[Anonymous No.4681682]

>>4681535
16 HOURS A DAY
EVERY DAY

[Anonymous No.4681699]

>>4681682
Just sleep faster and get it done already.

[OP No.4681702]

>>4681593
In my previous OP posts other anons have already scolded me for even thinking of doing this. They've even provided proof to me of another anon that burned out while attempting to do this. I know you mean well but i got it. I won't become pro but i'll become decent.
I'll go with my gut for this one.
>Take it slow while loving art the art process. Only then will i start to take on more hours of art and drastically improve.

My posts for context:
>>4679260
>>4679374
>>4679562
>>4681543
>>4681639


>>4681522
I shall not disappoint you again senpai! >>4681543

>>4681630
That's heartwarming anon thank you! I'll check out the documentary soon.

Okay /ic/ I'm thankful that i made this thread but you know a thread died for this one? If you can please let this thread die i'd appreciate it. I don't want see this thread alive tomorrow. You got it? Capeesh?

>This is my last OP post until tomorrow if this thread is alive /ic/ i swear.

[Anonymous No.4681705]

>>4678344
sadlawn pepehands

[OP No.4681708]

>>4681702
You're typing more than drawing lmao
How old are you OP

[Anonymous No.4681734]

>>4681639
>Pro in one year challenge
What does this challenge include in itself?
Is there a working plan? A schedule?
Where can I read about it?

[Anonymous No.4681738]

>>4681734
>Pro in one year challenge
In most countries it's just called art school. Though you might have to do it in two years but it's way cheaper.

[Anonymous No.4681748]

>>4681738
Any examples of such art schools?
Is there an online equivalent of this?

[Anonymous No.4681752]

>>4681748
>Any examples of such art schools?
Well, I don't know where you live but you should start looking in your area if there are college courses for animation/concept art/illustration and all that jazz. There's probably tons of course online too. I don't know any because I never did any but I know a lot of people from work who did that. You'll have to make an effort and look for yourself I guess.

[Anonymous No.4681753]

>>4681738
You have no idea what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.4681767]

>>4681748
Atelier or "trade school" art schools are what you're looking for. They're expensive as fuck though.

New Masters Academy is really good for an online school though, since it's not just lessons but you have access to instructor feedback and forums there.

[Anonymous No.4681775]

>>4681708
he just takes care of his thread.

But yeah, he should just be drawing.

[Anonymous No.4681903]

>>4681702
i mean this is a vanity thread. nobody cares about your "journey" just go draw instead of shitposting with a bunch of nobodies who dont draw anyway. youre already failing at your goal.

[Anonymous No.4682011]

>>4678949
Lmao what is this shit? Literally "render the owl from scratch"?

[Anonymous No.4682021]

>>4680932
pyw, begtard

[Anonymous No.4682030]

>>4682011
Is not a tutorial

[Anonymous No.4682454]

>>4681534
It’s completely plausible. All he learned to do was render. The drawings themselves are shit.

[Anonymous No.4682467]

>>4680713
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0BXh6HlOBEg

[Anonymous No.4682705]

>>4682467
>Haha just have talent and follow your dreams
How frustrating

[Anonymous No.4682793]

>>4678255
what is exactly grinding? drawing anything as long as you draw? making the same drawing again and again for a day? drawing specific things?

[Anonymous No.4683008]

>>4679126
I don’t feel like that is a good way to go about it. Female gesture and simplification is very different from male, and by using only male refs you are going to draw masculine looking women. Maybe that is what you want though

Learn the anatomy and then feel the muscles even if you don’t see them

[Anonymous No.4683172]

>>4682705
Is that seriously what you got from the video? He gave clear steps about what he did to get better

[Anonymous No.4683176]

>>4682467
>>4682705
>>4683172
Do you guys understand korean? I have no idea what the fuck is going on in that video

[Anonymous No.4683387]

>>4683172
>He gave clear steps about what he did to get better
>clear
>its in Korean
Can you provide the rest of us with what was said on the video?

[Anonymous No.4684039]

>>4678340
>you know fucking nothing so you can literally improve every day, each of your pictures can be better than the previous, you feel it and you get addicted to it
It's such a load of horseshit it's infuriating

[Anonymous No.4684462]

>>4681593
>real job
doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.4684483]

>>4681738
Most Good art schools need a portfolio of a decent level to get in so it's never a zero to hero in one year

[Anonymous No.4684620]

>>4678255
All of the change happened between 2011 and 2012. Rest of the pic is pretty useless.

[Anonymous No.4684731]

>>4684620
idk why ppl keep saying that when the actual big gains happened in 2017

[Anonymous No.4684779]

>>4683387
>>4683176
Fren, just click on Translate, Automatic, English then read the subtitles. It isn't perfect but you'll get most of it.

[Anonymous No.4684834]

>>4684779
>>4683172
I'm going to be honest I watched with the auto translate to English and I still have no fucking clue what was said in that video because of how botched the translations seemed. What did he say?

[Anonymous No.4684856]

>>4682467
>translate comments on the video
>Ahh... in 2011 I see you made contract with the Devil
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.4684869]

>>4684731
finally a keen eyes
His early works are a little too unpolished for my taste. But when Grey Girl came out in '17, I think Wanke really came into his own, commercially and artistically. This whole new style has a clear, crisp lineart, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the Illustration a big boost.

[Anonymous No.4684931]

>>4684869
is that a baj I see? Mym?

[Anonymous No.4685036]

>>4684931
Never doubt brother
ForsenE TeaTime

[Anonymous No.4685056]

How many pages can you fill in a day?, I feel like I've been drawing a lot today but I have filled only 8 pages

[Anonymous No.4686011]

>>4678255
I am on-board with you OP! But you see. Im from literally never having been drawing. Is it really just as simple as just draw whatever? Because I don't know where to start. Im skimming threads right now. But if you or someone else has a super helpful book to reccomend. I would be greatful.

My first big goal is making good porn. So I think its gonna take me longer than a year to reach this first goal. But I'm excited to start. Dad just got diagnosed with lung cancer at not even 60. Non smoker. Never worked in a steel mill. Just makes me realize my life might already be more than half over. It is upsetting. But goddamnit. I'm going to make something of every year I have left. Stupid stickers on gamer profiles saying "I beat dis game" aren't a worthwhile persuit anymore. Death can take me any day without warning. So I'm going to persue my dreams.

[Anonymous No.4686014]

>>4686011
You're too wholesome for this board. Bye anon

[Anonymous No.4686018]

>>4678340
God... I squandered a working year of life on that game. And I never really "liked" it anyway. No looking back now I guess.

[Anonymous No.4686057]

>>4678378
I tried doing this drawing for a long period of time, though not blindly. The art books and courses i have hoarded in multiple sites have finally been used and im so happy. But now at this stage. i feel burnt the fuck out, literally and figuratively. Its so hot here in Philippines cause its near the equator especially at noon, so my tablet is just fucking sticky and moist, and the air is so humid. I toughed it out in the first week but i cant do it anymore, i need to take a break and cool off for 3 hours, and i just get bored and dont want to draw. im on my 12th day of drawing every day for a change. /IC/ what should i do?

[Anonymous No.4686067]

>>4686011
Spend time with your dad rather than grinding drawing anime tits

[Anonymous No.4686123]

>>4686011
Read the sticky.

[Anonymous No.4686209]

>>4678288
hey yo anon, im doing that same course aswell
give me your discord, ill add you. (my username is *_**_underrated)
it seems im not the only one that wants to join you
so, you should do a server for everyone that wants to join

[Anonymous No.4686218]

>>4681639
>Harpie_Disk

You call this "grinding like an asian"? Pathetic, I expected more from you. Please do not disappointment me as I'm also a beginner who will show /dad/ soon what I'm truly capable of.

[Anonymous No.4687801]

>>4684779
>Go move into color, sleep 8 hours but don't sometimes, sell your soul to the devil and have talent
Thanks for the auto translate tip now I'm great artist.

[Anonymous No.4687807]

>>4686218
>I'm also a beginner who will show /dad/ soon what I'm truly capable of.
Soon? Why not start now? You're just gonna end up like him.

[Anonymous No.4687892]

>>4681699
I wouldn’t trust anecdotes on motivational memes, especially since a bodybuilder would know the necessity of sleep for recovery. Cutting sleep is probably the best way to burnout, even if you were able (or forced) to push through it you would be working in suboptimal conditions and would take longer to achieve your goals than if you just did it in a sustainable way.

[Anonymous No.4687894]

>>4678844
>all ended up doing generic hyperrendered anime faces
kek and lmao

[Anonymous No.4687975]

>>4687894
>all ended up doing the best possible thing
based

[OP No.4688094]

>>4686011
Yep it is that simple as just draw but not really "just draw". Like, draw for fun and enjoy the process. Eventually you will improve if you stop being in your comfort zone.
You can get good in one year and at any age don't doubt it anon.
An artist that i look up to called kuzomari has two videos on improving at art. When he started improving he focused on perspective first. Then he deconstructed and reconstructed copies of artwork he liked/wanted to draw in and tha's how he improved. Good luck and have fun.

>>4686209
I don't know how to make a discord server nor DON'T know if i should keep working on art. It's a weird feeling i have either i'm depressed and need to take a step back to work on things in life or take a break and rethink what i need to do. Maybe i need to be surrounded by a more active community that's really focused on improving at art. Are you any any art discords on /ic/? I could add you there.

>>4686218
You can surpass me easily anon. Go for it but don't count on this /beg/ i will make you proud or disapointed either way whatever i make you probably won't like.
Just start or you will end up like me like >>4687807 said.
Plus i don't know if you read my other OP posts but i said i would take it slow and not rush things (meaning i'm not grinding like a asian until i really love art and become really addicted to it). I'm studying perspective right now as a beginner since it's something i need to improve on.

Alright im done blogging or whatever. Need to gtfo off of here to sleep for tomorrow. I hope someday someone will become the first /beg/ to grind to pro in one year.

[Anonymous No.4688104]

>>4688094
>Need to gtfo off of here to sleep for tomorrow. I hope someday someone will become the first /beg/ to grind to pro in one year.
Already giving up? What a ngmi.
Also reminder that j and nemori are asian and considered one of the best on dad so every day your entries should have more effort than theirs

[Anonymous No.4688480]

>>4678255
2011 to 2012 is a big enough jump on its own but you know what they say, pareto principle, 80% of outcome is affected by 20% of cause. A little bit of work can go a long way. But what the fuck happened in 2012 that he got to 2013 in one year?

[Anonymous No.4688493]

>>4681630
>get second place
So they lost, and they got a documentary to make themselves feel better about it? Meanwhile those asians probably doubled down on their drilling.

[Anonymous No.4688546]

>>4687894
You tell em sister!

[Anonymous No.4688565]

>>4680174
>I know his secret but why should I tell you?
Because the secret is actually obvious

[Anonymous No.4688762]

>>4687975
The opposite of bad anime is good anime.

[Anonymous No.4688782]

>>4688565
Please tell.

[OP No.4688968]

>>4688104
Already said i'm not grinding to PRO in one year in numerous posts. I'm still gonna draw but since i'm /beg/ i'll take it slow and learn.
Why do you guys make art such a competition?
Actually nevermind why am i even responding. No matter how much i respond people won't read or either take it the wrong way.
I'll just get off here and draw.

[Anonymous No.4688992]

>>4688968
Why'd you make this shitass thread you little under aged faggot

[Anonymous No.4689015]

>>4688968
don't worry about time, even redditors go from /beg/ to /beg/ in two years

[Sage No.4689028]

>>4689015
>2years to be able to draw a slightly better animu head

[Anonymous No.4689077]

>>4689015
>534 upvotes
jesus kek

[Anonymous No.4689207]

>>4678967
exactly like what happened from 2011 to 2012

[Anonymous No.4689208]

>>4689015
Imagine only drawing floating anime heads for two years.

[Anonymous No.4689307]

>>4688968
Harpie, I don't see your todays' submit

[Anonymous No.4689312]

>>4689015
at least it IS progress! Seen enough cases where nothing happens, or it gets worse/ more autistic. This guy probably only drew once a week, at most. With this sort of minimal effort I'd be glad to see a decent anime head at the end.

[Anonymous No.4692004]

Here's me.
Well I burned out, shit happened, I lost time, skills and hair, I don't remember how the fuck did i do that in 2016 and I don't really know what to study and can't stop playing dota.

Gloat all you want faggots, I hate you too.

[Anonymous No.4692009]

>>4692004
You never got good because you have a shit attitude

[Anonymous No.4692024]

>>4692009
Touche, i'm convinced you're a sweet and fantastic person and nothing like me.

[Anonymous No.4692026]

>>4692004
At least you don't have to start at 0. Take art more seriously and you will soon surpass 2016.

[Anonymous No.4692032]

>>4692004
It’s not as bad as you think and you would do well to not be hyper critical. You at learning in a detached, objective way. If nothing else it will save your sanity.

[Anonymous No.4692036]

>>4692026
It's hard because I know some chunks of everything and 1 I don't know what specifically to study, 2 I feel like I know shit already when I'm trying to study and lastly i'm just not high on the feeling of explosive growth anymore.

Maybe i need to pay a mentor or some shit, or just somebody to tell me what exactly to do.

[Anonymous No.4692047]

>>4692004
your progress from 2014 to 2015 is great

[Anonymous No.4692228]

Finnaly took the time to make mine.
Keep on grinding guys

[Anonymous No.4692244]

>>4692228
Tell me about the chink rendering, you know, when your greens have specks of purple in them.

Every time I look at that I just can't figure how do people do that on technical level.

[Anonymous No.4692257]

>>4692244
>chink rendering
Please be more specific?

[Anonymous No.4692283]

>>4692228
Oh I remember when you first posted your latest picture on /ic/
Hope you're doing well
How did you learn render atmospherics like in the 2019 Pic for far objects

[Anonymous No.4692285]

>>4692257
The opposite color inclusions like on the very last picture here >>4692228 or here >>4678767
you kind have specs of the opposite color peeking through the main color.

Every time I see this and think how would I do that I can only imagine making the painting twice in different colors.

[Anonymous No.4692304]

>>4692283
I was living in a super poluted city at the time, very atmospheric. Study how light interact with and in thick mists I'd say. In general things in the distance have lowered contrast, but can still keep their refelctive highlihgts. 'atmospheric fog' is a term you want to google
I lower the contrast on my pictures all the time, then add more where i want more. once I've added the contrast i lower the contrast again and repeat these steps untill i feel like the values are perfectly balanced.
>>4692285
I think pic related is the trick your looking for?
It brings color into your value swifts. Do this to a flattened image. select the colors you dont want with 'replace color' or just erase them out and set the layer on color mode.

[Anonymous No.4692312]

>>4692304
>I think pic related is the trick your looking for?
OH FUCK

And I thought it was some kind of intricate brushwork, mad textures and shit. Turns ot it's just a trick.

[Anonymous No.4692721]

>>4692304
Thanks I'll try that

[Anonymous No.4692934]

>>4692228
How many hours per day?
Tfw I remember your first picture.

[Anonymous No.4693151]

>>4692934
2010-2011 Maybe only weekends
2012 I got a internship where i got to study 8 hours a day.
2013 saw big improvments so i think i kept it up as much as i could
2014, in school ~ 16 hours a day
2016-2017, Working as a concept artist in a studio environment 8 hours a day. barely did any personal work
2017-2019 spend 3 months doing 16 hour days making a portfolio before doing the digital nohmad thing and would draw as much as i can besides the reference gathering.
2020 freelance - 12 hour work days sometimes take weekends off

[Anonymous No.4693468]

>>4693151
I appreciate your detailled answer, thanks

[Anonymous No.4693902]

>>4692228
bro that's tight af

[Anonymous No.4693931]

>>4693151
how old are you anon?

[Anonymous No.4694002]

>>4693931
That doesnt reallly matter, I've seen guys in their 40's make the leap from amateur to pro in just a year of insanly hard work. I'm 27 tho

[Anonymous No.4694007]

>>4694002
I just wanna know bruv. It's interesting to see when people start their uphill battle to becoming good.

[Anonymous No.4694074]

>>4694002
Only if they can afford to go to FZD amirite?

[Anonymous No.4694160]

>>4694074
Draw more, lurk less

[Anonymous No.4694206]

>>4694160
I already do, because I cannot afford to go to FZD and have to figure out everything myself blindly

[Anonymous No.4694677]

Not OP, but how do I cope with the fact that I have to draw shit I don't like for a long time before I can draw what I like?

[Anonymous No.4694683]

>>4694677
draw what you like? The dilemma is completely in your head. You CAN draw what you like, what your afraid of is that you can't draw it well yet. That's fine and normal, but do it anyway along side studies.

[Anonymous No.4694724]

>>4681699
i dont think u should take ahnohld's advice when it comes to health considering he also drank copious amounts of beer, smoked stogies and got multiple pec tears, he is a very capable man with a great work ethic who knew how to train hard and do it often but he was not perfect by any means

[Anonymous No.4695063]

>>4694724
He also did roids

[Anonymous No.4695087]

>>4678255
Don't think about burnout. I doubt you'll ever acheive the strength to actually experience this.

Keep grinding and don't stop. You'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.4695104]

>>4694677
self-delusion. worked for me. still works

[Anonymous No.4695170]

>>4695087
How can you differentiate between laziness/tiredness and actual burnout though?

[Anonymous No.4695181]

>>4689015
Kek

[Anonymous No.4695218]

>>4695170
Probably pain, as in, just psychological (your brain throwing a tantrum) pain vs actual physical symptoms from not sleeping or eating well (headaches, eyestrain, wrist or back injury, etc).

[Anonymous No.4695662]

>>4694677
>>4694677
Why would you? The only thing i found really annoying about studying fundies is perspective, tedius foreshortining and 100's of boxes. ritalin or adderal helps like a charm tho.

[Anonymous No.4696059]

>>4692228
Mind if I ask for the first 2019 picture anon?

[Anonymous No.4696174]

>>4696059
sure

[Anonymous No.4696472]

>>4695662
How comes americans can buy adderall like candies and yet they cannot even produce a single decent artist?

[Anonymous No.4696538]

>>4696472
Because good art is sexist, and racist, and ableist, and skill is a concept of racist patriarchal opression shut up whitey this is the art that you get.

[Anonymous No.4696640]

>>4696538
R*nt F*ee

[Anonymous No.4696647]

>>4696538
Beautiful and brave

[Anonymous No.4696782]

>>4695170
If you're doing it too much.

I drew for a year for 6 - 9 hours everday and I never experienced burnout.

Also, keep a timer when you're drawing. A lot of times, we think we've drawn for 9 hours only to realize we did it for only 2. Happens to me frequently even today when I work. The reverse is also true. It largely depends if you enjoy what you do.

[Anonymous No.4696974]

>>4696472
Why you think i'm american? these drugs are avaiblabe evryehwhere. make use of them.

[Anonymous No.4698293]

>>4696974
Doctors in Europe are reluctant to prescribe anything that might have a medical effect. I think its a bit more lax in the UK, though.

[Anonymous No.4698320]

>>4696640
>not *ent F*ee
this triggers my autism, desu

[Anonymous No.4698322]

>>4678255
People who progress this fast usually have teachers and paid for lessons.

[Anonymous No.4698324]

>>4698293
Come to Russia. Here only strongest of drugs are prescription-mandatory.

[Anonymous No.4698337]

>>4698324
Might consider it. Cost of living is also lower. Good for artists

[Anonymous No.4698519]

>>4680445
i still have to figure that out. i guess sureness i won't fail by effort. when i think of "fear of failure" i think there is still a possibility to fail even when working hard in response to that fear. because maybe trying alone just isn't enough.

[Anonymous No.4698522]

>>4696782
Any tips on preventing carpal tunnel and wrist pain?

[Anonymous No.4698549]

>>4698522
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSZWSQSSEjE

[Anonymous No.4698712]

>>4698293
order them online from india

[Anonymous No.4698882]

>>4698522
I've experienced my forearms hurting several times. You just gotta stop. At one time I got so desperate that I tried drawing with my left - it didn't work though.

[Anonymous No.4698951]

>>4698712
That's illegal.

[Anonymous No.4699039]

>>4698712
>Gets stopped at customs
>If you are lucky you get fined, if you are not you get a new permanent criminal record

[Anonymous No.4699112]

>>4699039
>>4698951
I haven't done this myself but a friend has bought them with bitcoins, safely got them in the mail no problem. I get my Ritalin off my brother who gets it's prescribed.

[Anonymous No.4699126]

>>4699112
A good night’s sleep is cheaper and doesn’t come with a sentence or dependency while being just as effective.

No reason to dope yourself up without a valid medical reason.

[Anonymous No.4699152]

Is this a big enough improvement in a year to weigh in on how to improve quickly or am I overestimating my improvement?

[Anonymous No.4699158]

>>4699152
Really bad progress
I'm sorry anon kek

[Anonymous No.4699172]

>>4699158
Oh well. I've learned how to draw plenty of other stuff, even if my posing hasn't been improving quick.

[Anonymous No.4699206]

>>4699152
it's a little vague due to the lack of details... there's a lot of subtle stuff that actually shows a great amount of improvement, but the super simplistic subject matter makes it hard to gauge. tiny things like the tilt of the shoulders, the neck overlapping the traps, the bottom of the rib cage, the muscles shapes in the arms, even the small indication of the meat of the thumb show a good amount of understanding. I think you're on the right path though anon, you should try bigger and more ambitious works this year

[Anonymous No.4699213]

>>4699206
>>4699152
oh, and the clean, single line is deceptively impressive. I think because they're all super uniform and somewhat unrefined it can read as amateurish, but there's clearly a lot of confidence and understanding behind them. it's like you know exactly where the lines need to go and how few are really necessary to convey the important landmarks of the figure.

[Anonymous No.4699240]

>>4699126
ngmi

[Anonymous No.4699248]

>>4699206
>>4699213
I've realized when searching for another two drawings to compare that I don't have any drawings where I'm going all-out in my effort. Here's a week vs 11 months ago with the same pose. But, these aren't really good photos to show my overall progress since in both of these I'm not putting in any effort to draw the limbs, they're both super quick sketches, and they're opposite sexes.

[Anonymous No.4699709]

>>4699213
>that
>a clean and single line
Kek

[Anonymous No.4699727]

>>4699248
it doesn't have to be a finished drawing to show progress, it's clear by the intent of the illustrations how much improvement has been made. the one on the right is just confused, there's an inkling of how the drawing should look but no skill to bring it to life. the one on the right shows a very decent understanding of the fundamentals of figure drawing, with a clear gesture and a good relationship between the parts of the body. the separation of the cranium and the mandible is good too. you've even got a prop in there!
I think the best way for you to start 'improving quickly' is, yeah, to finish more pieces. or at least put a little more effort into cleaning some up. even just adding some values to the gas mask guy you posted before would be a step in the right direction for sure.

[Anonymous No.4699760]

>>4681526
>because apparently my previous name was offensive.
what? how is CorporateUkuleleMusic offensive?

[Anonymous No.4701858]

>>4699240
He's right you know. proper sleep makes you feel like you get massive gains instead of that poor trying to always be awake stuff.

[Anonymous No.4702336]

>>4699760
CUM, I think. It's weird they saw through that. Shouldn't have joined a nofap discord.

[Anonymous No.4702430]

>>4699152
>That in one year
Don't you feel ashamed right now?

[Anonymous No.4702435]

>>4702336
Kek

[Anonymous No.4702447]

>1 years progress
is it over?I've been practicing every day but I don't know how long for (4 months-1 year). I didn't start actually studying stuff properly until like december though. last time I post this I swear lmao

[Anonymous No.4702710]

>>4702447
Looks like 1 month of progress at most. That's pretty bad if you've been 1 year at it.

[Anonymous No.4702712]

>>4702710
Yeah I thought so. At this point I think there has to be something wrong with me

[Anonymous No.4703539]

>>4702712
keep going you pussy

[Anonymous No.4703631]

>>4702447
Just keep going man. Have you drawn anything since you posted this to /asg/ on Saturday? The drawing looks leagues better than the one on the left, it's more ambitious and etc. etc. even if it is from reference. You just gotta keep pushing

[Anonymous No.4703682]

>>4703631
Yeah, but just practicing anatomy and gestures and stuff, I don't usually do finished pieces very often. Tbh I have no clue how long I've been practicing with some dedication.

[Anonymous No.4703778]

>>4701858
>>4701858
Really?

[Anonymous No.4703802]

>>4702447
Your progress is you added a background and special effects lol
What're you using to study?

[Anonymous No.4703805]

>>4678255
Go for it. But you gotta be mindful when grinding like that. You wont improve no matter how much you draw if youre not aware of mistakes and what to work on.

[Anonymous No.4703818]

>>4703802
I did Loomis's figure and head books and fun with a pencil, and mostly do faces and figure drawing, or just drawing random shit from twitter when I don't feel up to actually studying.
I don't really remember most of what I do, I guess I haven't really done anything when I think about it.

[Anonymous No.4703834]

>>4699727
>or at least put a little more effort into cleaning some up
Yeah you were definitely right on me needing to put in more effort. Also, it was pretty stupid of me to use two drawings where I intentionally avoided showing anatomy to show my advancement, considering that was the main thing I practiced/studied.

[Anonymous No.4704497]

>>4703818
You're features still need proper placement like your ear floating way up there like Shrek ears.

Try something different than loomis
Try vilppu or another instructor

[Anonymous No.4704541]

>>4704497
Yeah I did notice that ear afterwards but I do need work on my feature placement.
I actually started doing villpu's course last night. Everything I've done is pretty much unintelligible though

[Anonymous No.4704574]

>>4678255
No progress from 2013. Asian method is shit. All that fancy poo poo pee pee is simply disgusting.

[Anonymous No.4704760]

>>4704574
pyw

[Anonymous No.4705333]

ngmi if you think you will ever be "done" improving your art or that you can master so many of the fundamentals in like a year. Even some of the objectively best artists in the world don't even claim they're finished improving or even that they mastered one fundamental category

>>4704574
Also this. Or if anything it's hard to really tell because it's so flashy. You don't need to learn anatomy for such a big armor, you don't really need an in depth understanding of perspective when the layout here is so simple, you can't tell the growth in gesture skills because they all sit around and nothing is moving, etc

[Anonymous No.4705611]

>>4705333
pyw

all this sounds to me is sour grapes.

[Anonymous No.4705662]

>>4705333
semantics

[Anonymous No.4705726]

>>4705333
The goal is to get good enough to the point where you can draw something and not hate it. For me, anyway.

[Anonymous No.4708061]

>>4702447
Any progress is good progress anon keep it up