/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4621118]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the /draw/thread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make YOURSELF feel proud.

previous >>4618992


READ THE STICKY if you're new or need guidance.

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

>IF YOU ARE OP POST 3 PHOTO REFERENCES

[Anonymous No.4621123]

>>4621118

[Anonymous No.4621128]

[Anonymous No.4621135]

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[Anonymous No.4621148]

>>4621123
this reminds me of a kid i accidentally punched in the eye in karate class

[Anonymous No.4621154]

>>4621118
Real thread, move:

>>4621130
>>4621130
>>4621130

[Anonymous No.4621158]

>>4621154
No, this one was first, this is the real thread. Don't be a faggot.

[Anonymous No.4621162]

Got some really good critiques on the last sketch of this drawing. Here's an updated version!
Is the anatomy better ?
I forgot to mention but the pose is inspired by " the thinker"

[Anonymous No.4621165]

>>4621158
Your thread is shit, nobody wants your personal art in the OP.

Move: >>4621130

[Anonymous No.4621168]

>>4621162
I didn't see the first one, but the anatomy looks fine in this.

[Anonymous No.4621170]

>>4621165
it's not mine fag, but ok shithead

[Anonymous No.4621173]

>>4621165
Not my art, nor my thread. But first come first serve.

[Anonymous No.4621177]

>>4621173
>>4621170
You really are stupid, you know that, shitposter?

move: >>4621130

[Anonymous No.4621185]

>>4621177
>You really are stupid, you know that, shitposter?
What is your personal stake in people not using your thread over this? This one was up first, stop being butthurt about it.

[Anonymous No.4621191]

>>4621177
u the stupid, stupid

[Anonymous No.4621192]

>>4621185
Not that guy, I'm the late OP of the other /beg/ thread you guys do what you want lmao sorry I caused chaos

[Anonymous No.4621195]

>>4621162
Any specific part you're worried about? I mean, there's no hands. I think the back arm's foreshortening is a little screwed too.

[Anonymous No.4621209]

Quick 15 minute one that I might do properly. Ignore the double jawline, I left that there as reference in case I fix it up later.
Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4621222]

>>4621209
Don't outline lips, not sure what the nose is doing, not sure why square chin. You should work on fundies.

[Anonymous No.4621226]

>>4621222
okay thanks
pic related is reference btw

[Anonymous No.4621230]

>>4621168
Thanks, man! The first one was this <<
The main comments I got were "limbs are too small" and "the left arm can't possibly rest on the right leg like that"

>>4621195
Anything you can point out as looking a bit off would help me a lot. Back arm you mean his right arm? The one resting on the leg and away from the head?

[Anonymous No.4621233]

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
NO FUN ALLOWED
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have at least read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice.

[Anonymous No.4621235]

>>4621209
>>4621226
>thoughts?
you are rushing things and not actually observing, compare your eyes to the ref, you didn't try your best and you know it.

[Anonymous No.4621237]

>>4621226
Huh, she does have a square chin and a slightly crooked nose, my apologies.
No offense, but you should look into some of the stuff in the sticky, that should help you out.

[Anonymous No.4621240]

>>4621230
>Anything you can point out as looking a bit off would help me a lot. Back arm you mean his right arm? The one resting on the leg and away from the head?
Yes. The lower arm there should be seen from the front a little more. Right now it looks a bit like it's a very short arm if you know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.4621249]

>>4621230
Not beg unless drawn without ref.

[Anonymous No.4621255]

>>4621235
you are right
>>4621237
none taken
Pic related is probably my best face from Loomis that I put more effort into. I think I made it too fat desu

[Anonymous No.4621257]

>>4621255
Looks a lot better than the one you just posted.

[Anonymous No.4621268]

>>4621257
Thanks, I will try to get the first one up to this standard and post it later

[Anonymous No.4621277]

>>4621118
That picture isn't /beg/ level. Fuck the /int/ faggots invading our thread to flex on us. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4621281]

>>4621277
this is the /high beg/ general. if you are still struggling with symbol drawing feel free to use the /low beg/ >>4621090

[Anonymous No.4621339]

>>4621240
Oooh i see. I'll try to fix that :D
Thanks <3

>>4621249
Ah i never know where to post :(

[Anonymous No.4621351]

Why are there two new beg threads and two new sexual art threads? This board used to be so organized. I expect better of you filthy niggers

[Anonymous No.4621358]

>>4621351
Double begshit threads are either the result of confusion or shitposting
Double SALT threads are the result of an ongoing conflict between lolichads, furfags, and their janitor lapdogs

[Anonymous No.4621361]

>>4621351
Some dude made a second one after this and some people kept bumping it because they dislike the OP picture in this one.

[Anonymous No.4621378]

>>4621358
One is confusion the other is a shit post.

[Anonymous No.4621387]

>>4621277
>op pic is not beg
Embarrassing. Maybe you should start a /prebeg/ thread.

[Anonymous No.4621407]

>>4621118
is that really asuka fag, wtf. he was super bad now he's only bad. how did he do it?

[Anonymous No.4621411]

>>4621407
I used to be better than asuka fag and now he has surpassed me. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.4621413]

>>4621407
He drew a lot

[Anonymous No.4621437]

>>4621118
asukafag truly is a man of culture

[Anonymous No.4621462]

>>4621437
Is that really asukafag?

[Anonymous No.4621537]

can someone post that "asukafags" older drawings?

[Anonymous No.4621538]

Wdy? Soul or soulless?

[Anonymous No.4621543]

>>4621538
It's alright, where's the top of his head though?

[Anonymous No.4621545]

Why are hands and feet so hard to draw?

[Anonymous No.4621549]

>>4621545
Because they're the most complex parts of the body apart from the face. Lots of moving parts, lots of functionality.

[Anonymous No.4621550]

>>4621545
use refs for the footwear, this is painful to look at

[Anonymous No.4621552]

>>4621543
I draw shitty hair so it's really unidentifiable by text

[Anonymous No.4621557]

>>4621545
Use refs bro

[Anonymous No.4621563]

>>4621552
Lightly sketch the shape of his skull first, then draw the shitty hair on top. Now it kinda looks like his skull deflated.

[Anonymous No.4621572]

What do you think, fellas?

[Anonymous No.4621573]

>>4621563
That's actually a great idea but what if I start sketching with ink first? When I draw with graphite and ink it, it will always look unconfident and far worse

[Anonymous No.4621579]

>>4621573
You can erase graphite after ink dries

Unless you stab the paper with it, of course

[Anonymous No.4621584]

>>4621579
No no that's not what I mean
Yeah I can erase graphite
The thing is when I'm not starting with ink first my sketch will look far worse than if I do

[Anonymous No.4621587]

>>4621572
Another one I did right after

[Anonymous No.4621594]

>>4621413
But he kept drawing the same shit over and over.

[Anonymous No.4621600]

>>4621572
Flat face.
>>4621587
Actually pretty good apart from roughness.

[Anonymous No.4621604]

>>4621584
Only sketch guidelines then, not the full thing. Just something to keep your proportions in check.

[Anonymous No.4621608]

>>4621594
Same subject, yes. Same thing over and over? No. He kept trying to study different proportions and angles and shit.

If you draw the same exact picture of a cat you'll only get good at drawing that one picture of that particular cat. If you have a lot of pictures of one cat and you analyze it and study it sitting, laying, jumping, cat in shadow, cat in light, cat anatomy, you should eventually get really good at drawing cats in general.

Does that make sense?

[Anonymous No.4621609]

>>4621118
based. i gona do this with my gf next time

[Anonymous No.4621636]

>>4621604
Ok I don't know why I never though of this. Thanks a ton

[Anonymous No.4621778]

>>4621608
>Does that make sense?
Yeah. But Asuka still sucks.

[Anonymous No.4621803]

[Anonymous No.4621805]

>>4621803

[Anonymous No.4621812]

>>4621803
Could you post it upright? Can't see shit.

[Anonymous No.4622652]

First chapter of How to Draw.
Actually looking at what I’m drawing without taking my eyes away really did help. A month of on and off.

[Anonymous No.4622673]

>>4622652
Which book is this? Who's it by?

[Anonymous No.4622702]

>>4622673
Not anon, but probably Keys to drawing.

[Anonymous No.4622817]

how the fuck do i teach myself to draw? how do i know if i'm doing it right? how am i supposed to know what to do when nobody's teaching me?

[Anonymous No.4622822]

>>4622817
read loomis

[Anonymous No.4622825]

>>4622822
>meme response
i have his figure drawing book but i just can't even into, i feel like there's some really basic shit i'm just not getting

[Anonymous No.4622846]

>>4622825
Drawing for the Absolute and Utter Beginner

[Anonymous No.4622869]

Dorian Iten exercise

[Anonymous No.4622897]

>>4622817
We have a sticky with resources my dude.

[Anonymous No.4622901]

>>4622869
looking great anon

[Anonymous No.4622929]

>Begin working on project that requires visual novel type assets (quarter turn upper bodies)
>Start out alright but each day, keep getting better and faster
>Discover a creation process that's inline with my /beg/ skill-set but still enjoyable instead of giving up halfway
>Finishing portraits and other sketches daily for a week
>Things that were difficult for me like hair and coloring felt pretty simple now
>Feeling pretty good
>After producing a kinda shitty one and getting drunk, I decided to stop for 4 days
>Try to get back in the groove today
>Abso-fucking-lutely cannot replicate the same look or feel
FUCKKKING FUCK WHY DID I STOP

[Popuri No.4623207]

Anything wrong with this comic strip?

[Anonymous No.4623215]

>>4623207
top left and middle are fine, the rest have really wonky faces.

[Anonymous No.4623217]

>>4621148
how and why?

[Anonymous No.4623242]

>>4623215
>top left and middle are fine

this thread is for taking an advice as a beginner, not giving beginner opinions

[Anonymous No.4623253]

What does feel the form even mean or is that just some retarded ic meme?

[Anonymous No.4623258]

>>4623253
try feeling the form when you draw. not a meme. imagine running your hands over the form youre trying to draw.

the only ic memes that are not genuine advice are the low IQ retard ones the /beg/s spam like ligameme, aphantasia, talent, etc

[Anonymous No.4623267]

>>4623258
Talent is objectively real, copefag

[Anonymous No.4623288]

>>4621118

This is absolutely not /beg/ level. What in the goddamn fuck is wrong with you, OP?

[Anonymous No.4623291]

>>4623288
>tfw asukafag isn’t /beg/ anymore

[Anonymous No.4623297]

>>4623291
Soon he’ll move on from here like gains goblin before him. What other regulars are there?

[Anonymous No.4623673]

>>4623297
To be honest i would switch asukafag and gains goblin between /beg/ and /alt/

[Anonymous No.4623700]

[Anonymous No.4623703]

All critiques welcome

[Anonymous No.4623725]

>>4621118
Fuck off coomer you already have 19310831029 threads to post on, hijacking even /beg/ now?

[Anonymous No.4623767]

>>4621118
need improvement/criticism
i know i need to stop chicken scratching
how do i improve geometric understanding of the head and drawing face textures

[Anonymous No.4623784]

>>4623725
>14:14:42
check thread creation time

[Anonymous No.4623794]

>>4623700
i'm /beg/
neck too forward and a bit wide, head too big, torso kinda short but wide, ass too high up even for that perspective it has a strange shape to it as well, her right buttcheek looks flat, forearm too long I think and I feel that she's turning her too much but maybe it just looks weird to me

[Anonymous No.4623836]

>>4623767
Still /beg/ but I had a similar problem. I looked up Peter Han and watched some of his videos. I started using a felt tip pen to draw, so that I can see my mistakes and correct them. His line practices were very helpful. Study and keep practicing faces while working on your lines too and you should see some improvement. Hope this helps

[Anonymous No.4623868]

>>4623836
wow this guy is a great teacher (peter han). thanks.

[Anonymous No.4623869]

>>4623784
What does this have to do with the picture chosen? Nigger.

[Anonymous No.4623894]

>>4623725
>implying /beg/s don't want to draw nothing but coom art

[Anonymous No.4624017]

Long time lurker, looking for motivation, I love drawing been drawing for 20+ years, any words is much appreciated, I have more work on instagram @I_art_marlon one love anons

[Anonymous No.4624131]

any suggestions?
кaкиe pyccкиe?

[Anonymous No.4624150]

>>4623291
I’m genuinely proud and jealous of him. Watching him improve has inspired and angered me.

[Anonymous No.4624206]

>>4623288
looks beg to me, deformed head and all and as well as the tits and shoulder bones.

[Anonymous No.4624208]

I think I've got something good in my hands here, also I improved since I could sketch it in just 40 minutes!

[Anonymous No.4624238]

>>4624150
>>4624206
here is new

[Anonymous No.4624554]

Any suggestions? Think the face looks off and the perspective of the shoe

[Anonymous No.4624606]

I feel like I'm stuck in "Uncanny valley police sketch"-land whenever I try to sketch faces from reference. Especially with men.

[Anonymous No.4624620]

Quick question lads, I do lots of drawings of people from both reference and from imagination. They are mostly terrible but some turn out alright but my biggest problem is the time it takes to do them. For any of my drawings to be "okay" it takes me like an hour per figure. I think its because I spend so much time going back and erasing and then redrawing. Should I keep doing this or should I just leave the mistakes and draw 3x as many figures instead?

[Anonymous No.4624634]

help

[Anonymous No.4624653]

>>4624238
pick a thread dude

[Anonymous No.4625040]

>>4624606
Study eyes more, yours are too big and too symbol-y once you get that down you should be a big step ahead.

[Anonymous No.4625750]

>>4624620
im /beg/ but what helped me with this was following hampton's method of drawing the spine, orientation of the rib cage, and orientation of the pelvis. once you have those three things properly oriented you can put in the legs, arms and everything else easily. the only hard part is getting the orientation of the head right, which i still haven't figured out how to do without taking a lot of time, so i just draw a circle with lines for the brow ridge and mouth.

[Anonymous No.4625812]

I'm very /beg/, so I'm doing drawabox atm. About how long does it take to get used to drawing with your shoulder? I feel wobbly and unbalanced when I try it, and I can only get straight lines if I draw fast.

[Anonymous No.4625817]

>>4623767
Steve Huston has a good head drawing series that I found to be really helpful in regards to the structure of the face. If you go out in public or watch tv spend a lot of time staring at faces while thinking about their depth and structure. I also bought a skull mode; to draw and that’s helped a lot for me too.

Pic is my skull from last night

https://youtu.be/2T7cDY7YDsg

[Anonymous No.4625818]

>>4624238
Based

[Anonymous No.4625832]

[Anonymous No.4625865]

>>4625832
I love your linework Asuka sempai

[Anonymous No.4625877]

>>4625832
>>4625865
How long has asukafag been drawing anyway? He was here when I first got here, was quiet for a while, and now he mogs most of /ic/ upon his resurrection

[Anonymous No.4625890]

>>4625877
it is hard to say, this iteration of me is now about 10 months old and this is the most serious ive ever gotten, but I have drawn in short bursts before and also as a kid I could draw better than other children, but obviously that never went past /beg/ tier

if only I had discovered /ic/ as a teenaager..

[Anonymous No.4625916]

>>4624606
Try to draw some eyes and noses with value instead of line. It'll help you to think more 3d. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb1WrQp2EAI

[Anonymous No.4625941]

>>4625832
You improved a lot

[Anonymous No.4625944]

>>4624554
face is too big compared to the head, also lengthen the neck

[Anonymous No.4625962]

>>4623700
>>4623703

Draw more anatomy. Preferably pick up a book on it. The bodies and faces are really not correct. It looks like there has been no underlying construction. The shading you just have to accept that its worthless, you have to start from scratch there.

Start sketching more, and don't try to pawn a sketch of as art work. Also, instagram thots are really not a good source of photo reference.

[Anonymous No.4625973]

>>4624238
>>4625832
You may have tricked the /beg/'s, but these look like garbage to me.

[Anonymous No.4625977]

>>4625973
crab spotted
taking aim
FIRE!

[Anonymous No.4625981]

>>4625973
Graysketch kun shitting on asukafag, Kek

[Anonymous No.4626012]

[Anonymous No.4626019]

>>4626012
Yikes.

[Anonymous No.4626163]

>>4626019
>>4625973

[Anonymous No.4626280]

>>4626012
soul
>>4626019
soulless

[Anonymous No.4626297]

[Anonymous No.4626334]

>>4623207
yes, the hands. please, please use references

[Anonymous No.4626347]

is this how pelvis goes

[Anonymous No.4626349]

>>4623207
i hate this term but... it really is a polished turd dude

[Anonymous No.4626350]

>>4621608
He hasn’t improved. Ask him to draw a background or anything that isn’t semi anime

[Anonymous No.4626364]

>>4626347
tilt it back

[Anonymous No.4626369]

>>4626019
same

[Anonymous No.4626423]

>>4626347
the hole where the the babies come out always lines up with the hole in the pelvis

[Anonymous No.4626429]

What kind of digital brushes you would recommend for value study? Is a round soft brush with size depending on the pen pressure okay?

[Anonymous No.4626434]

>>4626423
good god the truth has been in front of us the entire time

[Anonymous No.4626437]

>>4626429
hard brush

[Anonymous No.4626445]

>>4626437
How do you blend different values with hard brushes?

[Anonymous No.4626449]

Blind contour drawing is fucking bullshit
How am I mean to be learning from this? I can't gauge where my lines are, I can tell vaguely where they're going but it's just nowhere close to the OG image.

[Anonymous No.4626455]

>>4626449
You mean the thing from Keys to Drawing? It's just an exercise to train your brain to draw using your eyes directly. You're not supposed to create good stuff with that anyway. Just do it.

[Anonymous No.4626476]

>>4626445
not who you were replying to but hard/soft is just how the edges of the brush are, after blocking in the values you can still blend using low flow/opacity hard brush

[Anonymous No.4626477]

>>4626445
colorpick + low opacity, smudge tool or soft brush. only use them after you have the color placed with hard brush

[Anonymous No.4626486]

Not sure about this one

[Anonymous No.4626612]

>>4622817
>how do i know if i'm doing it right? how am i supposed to know what to do when nobody's teaching me?
Compare your current skills to the skills you had one month ago
Only compare yourself to your past self
Conciously study. Understand
Always study with purpose or make purpose. Never just study.
Make something finished to your best ability first. Use it as an anchor point. Compare it to some art you like and the ref. What is missing? What difference in porportions? What is simplified and what is detailed? Redline your own art to correct it. Enforce new habits and memory by repeating them in the news work. Dont mass consume fundies. Pick something and really bunker on it until you get it, then create something using it. Just grinding a lot of fundies will be a long and slow road since you wont retain the teachings in memory (another reason to create).
Create > reflect > study > create(+ apply study)
Every time you create, pick the current subject thats most lacking and you are worst at (color, form, shape, design ect.) And raise that from your biggest weakness to one of your strengths
Good luck anons and remember to have fun while creating

[Anonymous No.4626614]

So I'm very /beg/ and am currently on 250 box part of drawabox so I'd like to supplement with something else at the same time. I got tired of drawing on the right side because of all the stuff she wants me to use for the exercises. Trying to start on you can draw in 30 days but dunno if that's good.
Anyone got some recommendations for what i should be doing to supplement drawabox?

[Anonymous No.4626626]

What does pillow shading mean? I see that term being used a lot in /beg/ threads.

[Anonymous No.4626630]

>>4624554
I really like your choice of shading colors even though it's really sketchy! Did you use reference for that?

[Anonymous No.4626631]

Perfection doesn’t exist.

[Anonymous No.4626640]

>>4626614
id hit up that leaked Will Weston program if you are interested in learning human figure construction

[Anonymous No.4626671]

>>4626640
I'll give it a try ty.

[Anonymous No.4626675]

>>4626612
>Dont mass consume fundies. Pick something and really bunker on it until you get it
Aren't these mutually exclusive?
But thanks for everything else said it made me cry

[Anonymous No.4626676]

>>4626626
Shading the edges of contour lines instead of shading forms that are in shadow. Capiche?

[Anonymous No.4626706]

>>4626675
Mass consuming fundies as in just doing everything without a clear goal
Its comparing "i am going to stuy matth today!" With "i really want to figure out why this formula does this"
Have a goal in mind. Arms, feet, color, gesture, body porportions, loomis, eyes, face, value, perspective, dynamicism. Dont just do it all at the same time like a rundown.

[Anonymous No.4626707]

>>4626640
Couldn't find it anywhere. Did you mean Michael Hampton or do i just have to dig harder?

[Anonymous No.4626708]

>>4626676
Yes, thank you Anon.

[Anonymous No.4626711]

>>4626707
https://mega.nz/folder/zwtHwZwD#mQ3a-U47R-nTy5tewzCaqw

[Anonymous No.4626722]

>>4626012
Hey asukafag, why are you giving your women man faces now? Are you into traps all of a sudden or is this just from not understanding the difference between female and male skulls/muscles/fat distribution?

[Anonymous No.4626735]

>>4626722
who hurt you anon

[Anonymous No.4626738]

>>4626735
I'm not trying to be mean I'm genuinely asking this.

[Anonymous No.4626744]

>>4624634
What are you looking to do with the tail here?

[Anonymous No.4626746]

>>4626722
ill try better next time here is close up to analyze features
i did not want a man face it is a mistake

[Anonymous No.4626777]

Am I feeling the form yet

[Anonymous No.4626780]

here's a quickie..
I don't know how to do weird poses like this one

[Anonymous No.4626784]

>>4626746
Try a softer jawline and softer features in general. Something about the eyes gives off a manly vibe as well. Also the mouth is too wide.

[Anonymous No.4626845]

>>4625944
I'll try that thanks
>>4626630
I actually just colour picked colours used in an artwork I liked lol, I've a lot to learn when it comes to shading and colouring

[Anonymous No.4626865]

am i doing this right

[Anonymous No.4626866]

I just want to give you /beg/ fellows a taste of my fucking high level work that you can reach too if you don't give up.

[Anonymous No.4626904]

Does anyone have The sight size cast BOOK of darren r rousar??

[Anonymous No.4626918]

Tried to redline my own art to find out what's wrong with the anatomy, but I'm struggling to work it out. Can someone with more experience please help me figure out what's wrong with the legs?

[Anonymous No.4626922]

>>4626746
why does she have an underbite.

[Anonymous No.4626928]

>>4626865
Structurally it's fine, but you need more confidence in your lines.

>>4626746
Both the eyes and the mouth are too wide, though it looks like your understanding of forms is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.4626937]

>>4626918
you could literally just open any anatomy book to see how bad is your drawing

[Anonymous No.4626949]

Yikes, some issues. Nothing feels severe outside of maybe the stomach center line being off center. Anything I missed?

[Anonymous No.4626951]

>>4626937
What a moronically unhelpful piece of advice, you can apply that to literally every post in this thread.

[Anonymous No.4626956]

>>4626949
Several things - both arms are far too long, if it helps for measurement when the arm resting at your sides the elbow will be roughly around where the bottom of the ribcage is.

It also looks like you're using contour lines without really thinking of the form, which is particularly noticeable on the abdomen. The head also seems to be missing the jaw, lightly sketch the structure of a skull over it to get an idea of what the length and where placement of each feature should be.

[Anonymous No.4626962]

I am trying draw a 3/4 view with the body. The top of the torso always seems flat whenever I draw it. I think it has to do with shoulders. I've tried studying the anatomy and use some reference images, but I keep making the upper torso flat. What can I do?

[Anonymous No.4626980]

It’s a self portrait but I swear I don’t look this odd irl, what is wrong with the facial proportions or the render?

[Anonymous No.4627037]

[Anonymous No.4627051]

I'm just glad this is finished, I like how this kind of post-apocalyptic color palette looks in old anime but it was a freaking drag to paint like that.
Also I don't wanna draw a bike for a long time jesus, I'm dead. For my next drawing I want something with vibrant colors and blue energy and smiles

[Anonymous No.4627059]

>>4626980
Your facial features are all shifted way too far down the face. Normally the middle of the eye will sit on the halfway mark on the face, half of the distance from eye line to chin is the nose, and half between nose and chin is the mouth. Yours are all compacted down near the chin and everything is under the point the eye line should be

[Anonymous No.4627081]

>>4627059
he is not Loomis model man maybe he looks like that. humans are weird,

[Anonymous No.4627082]

>>4626980
sorry anon I just made you into some sad looking tranny

[Anonymous No.4627103]

>>4626980

[Anonymous No.4627109]

>>4627081
He said he doesn't look like that. Also that's not based in Loomis it's based in how skulls are proportioned so if yours doesn't even hit close to those proportions you are deformed and should be cleansed.

[Anonymous No.4627111]

I have 0 experience and I've been drawing digital because i think its easier. however it is harder in a lot of ways. Should I switch to analog for now so I can get the fundamentals down?

[Anonymous No.4627112]

>>4627111
You should get the fundamentals down whether you're doing traditional or digital. But yes traditional is going to be easier to learn them with.

[Anonymous No.4627113]

>>4626951
and hows that bad?

[Anonymous No.4627123]

y'all niggas need to pay a visit to Dr.Loomis

[Anonymous No.4627130]

[Anonymous No.4627133]

my friends helped me a lot with this one

[Anonymous No.4627142]

This is my attempt at pixel art. I am a beginner and I am trying to get into that medium. I also used a reference to draw this. Also any tips on getting better?

[Anonymous No.4627145]

>>4627142
This is the reference that I used.

[Anonymous No.4627148]

>>4626777
I feel like I’m actually getting good at shading someone please critique

[Anonymous No.4627151]

>>4627133
nose position is fucky

[Anonymous No.4627194]

anyone know how to not make a mess when drawing? I fucking hate getting lead all over my hand and pencil and eraser shavings all over the place.

[Anonymous No.4627219]

[Anonymous No.4627222]

does anyone have tips to achieve a manga look in digital art?

[Anonymous No.4627235]

>>4627219
It looks like her right leg is detached from her pelvis.

[Anonymous No.4627245]

Good news: I think I have the lineart and major shadows in the right place for the most part.
Bad news: I am terrified to proceed because I haven't rendered anything in a while. Help.

[Anonymous No.4627253]

>>4627194
>I fucking hate getting lead all over my hand
Masking tape a piece of tracing paper down under your hand dummy
>and pencil and eraser shavings all over the place.
Sharpen your pencil over a trash bin dummy. Alternatively get a lead holder, the sharpeners for those are contained and you just dump that shit when it gets full.
Can't do much about the eraser, buy a kneaded eraser or something

[Anonymous No.4627254]

Can somebody tell me where I'm fucking up at?
I'm drawing what I see and using construction at the same time.

How do I make it more 3D?

[Anonymous No.4627256]

>>4627254
not an expert but drawing trad timed with a pen forces you to make decisions faster and gets your accuracy up. also will stop the scratchy lines

[Anonymous No.4627260]

>>4626369
What does ruining my sketch prove?

[Anonymous No.4627276]

>>4627256
Okay so I'll try to do it with less lines in the future, but how do I make the figures look 3d and have form?

[Anonymous No.4627320]

>>4627276
try cross contour lines

[Anonymous No.4627339]

>>4621226

[Anonymous No.4627340]

Am I doing this values exercise right? I mean right in following the correct method, not well.

[Anonymous No.4627347]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j3gKE9FnSU may be of use for /beg/s

[Anonymous No.4627360]

Just finish this very proud even if it's shitty

[Anonymous No.4627363]

>>4621118
Wow, I too want to inhale some beautiful girl's pits!

[Anonymous No.4627366]

>>4627360
nice. but next time please resize the image and rotate into proper position.

[Anonymous No.4627368]

>>4627340
try to focus on your shapes a little more, with 3 values it shouldn't look overly elaborate, group the values into shapes and it'll help make the drawing more clear

[Anonymous No.4627369]

>>4627320
I already do that but I'll try to do it more.
Thanks

[Anonymous No.4627371]

>>4627112
why would i want to learn fundies with a tool i dont plan on using once im done with them? would it not be better to stick with digital if thats my endgame?

[Anonymous No.4627373]

>>4627360
here you go, anon. Not bad. It's not perfect, but you're definitely on the right track

[Anonymous No.4627378]

>>4627276

Our eyes see lines, and we assemble them in the head into a form. We need to see enough lines, and in the right places, to get the illusion of depth and volume. Line art is challenging to get there with those goals, so work on your accuracy (draw the foot AND the toes, for instance), and play with line weight and thickness to give visual cues for our brains to see volume.
Animation is the best way to show volume, by moving the figure in 2-d space, but for now, work on your accuracy, and line quality/properties. Also, draw with more confidence, and draw ONE line for the contour. This is all a bit horse before the cart, you have some work left to do on capturing contour and details, and proportions, and getting some confidence. You're copping out on the hands, feet, and heads.

[Anonymous No.4627390]

>>4627369
ok i tried with contour lines it looks 3D but i feel like if I take them away it'll still look bad and flat.

[Anonymous No.4627399]

>>4627378
ok, so line weight and add details like the fingers and toes, and line confidence.
I'll do that thanks.

[Anonymous No.4627404]

What's a good site for pose references?

[Anonymous No.4627436]

>>4626777
>>4627148
Hey anon I don't have any critique for you but I want you to know that I think you're doing a great job! Your thumbnails are easy to read too

[Anonymous No.4627438]

>>4627390
Well, of course a contour won't have sense of 3D.

You have to play with size, superposition, line weight and so on. Color to give shading, too.

[Anonymous No.4627439]

>>4626777
Nice, what did you use?

[Anonymous No.4627440]

>>4627254
/beg/, but looks to me like you're not capturing the gesture. All the parts don't quite fit together so the pose as whole looks a little awkward.

[Anonymous No.4627453]

>>4627245
Progress report, anon?

>>4627130
Keep it up!

>>4626962
It looks like you are for the rest of the body, but are you making sure to construct the upper torso with 3d shapes?

>>4626486
Progress report, anon?

>>4621587
Neato

>>4621255
Spend more time mapping out your features and proportions and you will see big gains. Also who is she >>4621226 anon?
>>4627051
Keep bringing the bikes, there is no escape

[Anonymous No.4627455]

>>4627404
I hear good things about https://vimeo.com/croquiscafe

[Anonymous No.4627470]

>>4626949

[Anonymous No.4627477]

Ok does this look better?
I added line weight, put in more line confidence, worked on more details like the toes and fingers.
Where do I go from here?
Did I mess up?
Does it still look flat?

[Anonymous No.4627503]

>>4626866
Nice confidence in your strokes but no control. Something to look at. Make the lines twist at your command, dont just twist em

[Anonymous No.4627505]

>>4627477
The foreshortened arm looks kind of weird but yes you could portray depth tih the sternum, breasts and legs.

[Anonymous No.4627518]

>>4621118
I am at a complete loss at how to learn value and light. Should I just go through the links in the Big Sticky and then Dorian Iten's Light and Form video series?

[Anonymous No.4627519]

>>4624238
do you really want to get better?
then do value studies and anatomy studies and post them here.
or keep doing the same mistakes over and over again.
your call

[Anonymous No.4627520]

>>4621226

[Anonymous No.4627521]

>>4627505
ok thank you, what can I improve on btw?

[Anonymous No.4627526]

>>4627453
I am kicking myself. I think I'm going to redo it

[Anonymous No.4627546]

Is there any good digital drawing tutorial?

[Anonymous No.4627553]

>>4627546
i mean digital painting*

[Anonymous No.4627594]

>>4627553
CTRL+Paint

[Anonymous No.4627598]

>>4627594
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.4627625]

largely copied so it means nothing, but hopefully i pick things up as I do it

[Anonymous No.4627629]

largely copied so it means nothing, but hopefully i pick things up as I do it

[Anonymous No.4627630]

>>4627526
Separate your lights and shadows better. Use 2 values at first and concentrate on proper shapes.

Also your lights are too dark and shadows are too light.

[Anonymous No.4627666]

[Anonymous No.4627669]

>>4627666

[Anonymous No.4627674]

>>4627666
better stop using references like these

[Anonymous No.4627675]

This is my second ever attempt at rendering anything. I'm relying on a soft airbrush and a clipping layer (aka alpha inheritance) to smooth out the gradients between highs mids and lows. I don't really like the result and I'm not sure where to go from here. Any pointers welcome.

(I am aware of the left wing being a bit wonky in terms of perspective/construction.)

[Anonymous No.4627676]

>>4627674
why? is the contrast not good enough?

[Anonymous No.4627680]

>>4627676
it's creepy Americans freakout when child is on photo

[Anonymous No.4627688]

>>4627680
that's not an artistic reason

[Anonymous No.4627692]

>>4627675
can we get a flipped image

[Anonymous No.4627694]

>>4627680
rent free

[Anonymous No.4627713]

>>4627692

[Anonymous No.4627714]

>>4626486
You're just shading the edge of every muscle. Take a step back and look at the overall shading of the body

[Anonymous No.4627715]

>>4626626
see
>>4626486

[Anonymous No.4627716]

>>4627148
Real nice value sense, focus on soft vs hard aka lost and found edges next

[Anonymous No.4627719]

please critique

[Anonymous No.4627720]

>>4627719
learn to draw people normally before branching out into a niche style

[Anonymous No.4627727]

>>4627720
I'm almost disagree. It is not niche style, it is simplified human.

[Anonymous No.4627731]

>>4627720
Could you tell me where i went wrong?
When I draw normal humans like
>>4627477 I dont really know where i went wrong, so when i draw anime the same problems remain.

[Anonymous No.4627741]

>>4627731
Practice getting proportions right. Do more planning before drawing the final lines. The term is "construction". For example, some people study human skeletons and muscles. That helps you visualize the 3D object in your mind as you draw it.

[Anonymous No.4627743]

>>4627731
practice drawing real people. Most people use photographs as a reference.

[Anonymous No.4627744]

>>4627731
>>4627743
I do practice drawing real people. I do it a lot but I cant translate it well when doing anime.

[Anonymous No.4627745]

>>4627727
Simplified is like a mannequin, this is stylized.

[Anonymous No.4627749]

>>4627741
>>4627743
Could you guys tell me where in the drawing I went wrong?

[Anonymous No.4627750]

>>4627745
do not matter. it's not about words.

[Anonymous No.4627754]

>>4627749
This is crab central, no one's going to give you real advice. I'd recommend learning simplified anime bodies from animators, and practicing off those. As for your drawing, then only glaring problem is the massive tall head. But it's just important that you continue drawing to improve your beg fundies.

[Anonymous No.4627758]

>>4627749
dude
activate your brain
dont ask for spoonfeeding

[Anonymous No.4627763]

>>4627758

>>4621233

[Anonymous No.4627765]

>>4627749
They literally cannot, all they can give you is generic advice like "figure drawing" and "fundies".
If someone knew how to actually draw then they wouldn't post here.

[Anonymous No.4627766]

>>4627763
are you proving my point?

you havent read the sticky mate

[Anonymous No.4627770]

>>4627766
I was pointing at first rule.

and I'm some different person by the way.

[Anonymous No.4627782]

>>4627714
You're right THX for the critique anon

[Anonymous No.4627819]

>>4621118
I’m aware the lips are off

[Anonymous No.4627830]

>>4627675
Original image to avoid jpg color banding

[Anonymous No.4627831]

>>4627819
eyes are off too. Looks like you drew one eye and copy-pasted it. Her left eye (our right) needs to be slanted inward more. The other eye needs to be compressed due to perspective.

[Anonymous No.4627834]

>>4627819
Beg here. What's the idea behind this type of stylized shading? How does it work?

[Anonymous No.4627835]

>>4627770
uh.. ok?

[Anonymous No.4627844]

>>4627831
yeah, i think i see what you mean. i didn't copypaste the eyes but it does look a bit like that. thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.4627846]

>>4627719
Does this help? I had to use my phone to post cus my ISP and VPN both hate 4chan

[Anonymous No.4627851]

>>4623767
why are you drawing Elon Musk fanart?

[Anonymous No.4627855]

[Anonymous No.4627886]

>>4627669

[Anonymous No.4627892]

>>4626777
this is legitimately the opposite of feeling the form dude. you're breaking it up with tons of little marks that actively detract from the larger shapes. feeling the form is about construction first and foremost.

[Anonymous No.4627894]

Any tips? Constructive criticism? It's intentionally not anatomically accurate, I went for a dismorphed head and then went some rendering. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.4627895]

[Anonymous No.4627897]

>>4627390
contour lines are not actually wrapping around the figure. take a look at the lines of the upper limb. why are some basically flat across the figure and others rounded? also draw the contour lines in one stroke - that's another reason yours look flat.

[Anonymous No.4627931]

Are you not supposed to use an avatar that isn't your art on your art account?

[Anonymous No.4627951]

>>4627931
Probably some algorithm/gaming the system shit chinks and their western imitators follow.

[Anonymous No.4627968]

Quick sketch of one of the old school One Piece villains

[Anonymous No.4627973]

>>4621118
Thoughts on this?

[Anonymous No.4627975]

>>4627340
where do you get your references from?

[Anonymous No.4627984]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4628018]

>>4622869
That's lovely anon. I hope I get there too someday.

[Anonymous No.4628020]

>>4622929
In stuck in the a very similar hole, anon. I don't have advice, but here's some solidarity at least

[Anonymous No.4628023]

>>4623673
Gains Goblin keeps pissing people off on /y/ now

[Anonymous No.4628031]

>>4625812
>drawabox
This actually works?

[Anonymous No.4628032]

>>4628031
everything works

[Anonymous No.4628039]

>>4626780
Figure out the nude form first, then draw the clothing on top

[Anonymous No.4628040]

>>4627846
thanks

[Anonymous No.4628067]

>try copying artwork with loomis construction
>takes a million years and looks like garbage
>try copying the same artwork with estimating proportion and angles
>takes a tenth of the time and looks way better
Do you really have to use construction?

[Anonymous No.4628068]

Digital artists.
Does using curved monitor fuck your perspective up?
Make straight lines look bend?

[Anonymous No.4628076]

>>4628067
loomis is for construction from imagination or checking your work, not for copying

[Anonymous No.4628078]

>>4628039
Is there anything wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.4628085]

>>4628076
I know that it's used for that, but copying is for building up your visual library and everyone keeps saying you need to deconstruct to make it stick. I have drawn hundreds or maybe thousands of loomis heads over the years and they still look like shit.

[Anonymous No.4628098]

>>4628067
No rules, just tools.

[Anonymous No.4628115]

>>4628085
sounds like you just need to learn a more detailed construction method than loomis
it's for beginners not a permanent thing

[Anonymous No.4628123]

>>4628085
>>4628085
I think it is kind of true. when you work in screen space you can be more precise but you mostly train how to copy image.

big part of traditional art is photographer job and I think this is where all this screen space technics coming from.

because like 98% of ic want pull of not existing pictures it preferably to more think and work in object space. it's my semi-/beg conclusions

[Anonymous No.4628128]

>>4623767
If you want to stop the chicken scratches, my best advice is to practice drawing using your arms to draw form and shape instead of your hands.

[Anonymous No.4628143]

new

>>4628140
>>4628140
>>4628140

[Anonymous No.4628247]

>>4627886
Dolores?

>>4627520
Nice stylization, looks cool

[Anonymous No.4628474]

>>4627245

[Anonymous No.4628484]

>>4628474
Damn, that's awesome. How long did this take?

[Anonymous No.4628507]

>>4628484
People will whine if I say how quickly it can be done. But it can be quick. You can become much faster if you learn to isolate each step and concentrate on very specific aspects, and get them right the first time. This way you won't be revisiting anything.

[Anonymous No.4628736]

>>4628507
Thank you, senpai

[Anonymous No.4630045]

>>4627519
Is that how you got better asukabro? One question, what was the most helpful resource for anatomy and for values?