/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4607116]

>American cartoon artists draw 2D thick lines
>Anime artists draw thin more life-like lines considering the form

>American comics artists draw really bold lines that makes the characters feel somewhat cartoonish in a shitty way
>Manga and european comics artists draw thin, more "Realistic" lines and use a different line-weight style than american ones

What are mutts so obsessed with thick linearts /ic/ bros?

[Anonymous No.4607120]

>>4607116
it can be kinda cool

[Anonymous No.4607129]

The best anime art styles are the ones that use thick lines tho

[Anonymous No.4607132]

It's literally just a stylization thing. It looks less realistic but it makes things pop more

[Anonymous No.4607178]

>>4607116
who's the artist ?

[Anonymous No.4607409]

>>4607116
Because Americans are soulless consumers

[Anonymous No.4607562]

holy shit we have this same fucking western vs eastern thread 10 times a day. delete ic

[Anonymous No.4607572]

>>4607562
bots took over /ic/
or kids

[Anonymous No.4607754]

>>4607562
I think it's the same guy making them over and over again. He gets BTFO in every thread and yet he wont stop.

[Anonymous No.4607761]

>>4607116
In America, comics are still more viewed as stuff for children, while in Japan (and partly Europe too), it also can be for adults.

[Anonymous No.4607769]

>>4607761
>In America, comics are still more viewed as stuff for children
that is just plain wrong

[Anonymous No.4607772]

>>4607116
Sooo you have art preferences?? Congrats I guess?
Now you can stop crying and move on.
There will never be a western vs east, you know why? Cause so many artists from each place are inspired from things from both places. Its a positive thing. Variety is the spice of life. What's so hard to understand about that? Maybe if you stopped trying to push this made up narrative (that no 'real' artists ever thinks about) you could maybe appreciate some really great western art too.

[Anonymous No.4607893]

>>4607116
i know it's you, but still

J Scott Campbell is not a good example of american comics
manga artists draw with all kinds of line weight, but you will never know that because you never read anything other than shitty shonen
ligne claire isn't "the" euro style, and they use brushes, not markers, multiliners or dip pens, like americans and japanese

[Anonymous No.4607965]

>>4607761
>In America, comics are still more viewed as stuff for children
Where does this meme come from? Literally only 35+ guys seriously buy these capeshit comics. I've never seen a young person buy them, let alone read them. 30+ is the average age of capeshit buyers, and it's only increasing.

What fucking kid is gonna read a superman or avengers comic book, full of text and stiff pictures?

[Anonymous No.4608018]

>>4607965
it's the discrepancy between "target audience" and "people who actually buy the stuff" combined with good old cultural prejudice. People see comics as a child's thing because it's always been like that, and comics reached their heyday when they were bought by kids and kids alone. It's not different in Japan by the way, declaring that you like manga makes you look "slow in the mind" so to speak. A jap celeb showed a picture of his house and he had a giant bookcase full of manga, people trolled him because reading normal books was too hard for him so he had to resort to books with drawings, like a kid. Europe has a rather different view of comics, in fact I think they are legally considered as culture and heritage in France and/or Belgium, and people buy them en masse. When the last Asterix book came out like 5 years ago, it was the top selling book in France. Although there's a bit of nationalism in there thrown into the mix as well.

[Anonymous No.4608032]

>>4607769
Yeah you're right they're not viewed for or by anyone because no one reads comics anymore

[Anonymous No.4608166]

>>4607769
Yeah, now they're for manchildren and even children look down on them.

[Anonymous No.4608174]

>>4608018
>declaring that you like manga makes you look "slow in the mind" so to speak
ive gone drinking with japanese salarymen and i can assure you many of them have literal boxes of shounen manga , even the old guys

[Anonymous No.4608190]

>>4607761
Some of the most highly acclaimed comics come from America. Maus, the only comic to win a Pulitzer Prize, came from America. Another amazing comic, From Hell, is written by Alan Moore but drawn by an American (Eddie Campbell, who has done great stuff on his own like Alex and Bachus as well) . Robert Crumb’s stuff is hugely influential and he’s American. Chris Ware’s Jimmy Corrigan was also amazing. You’ve got Blackhole by Charles Burns, Ghost World and Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron by Dan Clowes. David Mazzuchelli did Asterios Polyp and Rubber Blankets which were both great. Craig Thompson does amazing brush work in Blankets and Habibi. You’ve got masterful cartoonists who worked on newspaper strips like Charles Shultz and Bill Waterson. If you go farther back you’ve got Winsor McCay doing Little Nemo which had god tier art and was hugely influential. So on and so forth. America has a pretty rich comics history.

[Anonymous No.4608242]

>>4607116
Japs like they line weight like their eyes

[Anonymous No.4608367]

>>4607116
taiyo matsumoto used to draw like that, i think atsushi kaneko still does. shits dope.

[Anonymous No.4608377]

>>4608174
the fact that they do it doesn't change that it's seen as something shameful. japanese people don't call out people directly like westerners tend to do sometimes.

>>4608190
america does have a rich comics history, but they are still commonly seen as something for kids. it's a thing about impact in society.

[Anonymous No.4608378]

>>4608367
do you know what he uses to draw? looks like rapidographs

[Anonymous No.4608388]

>>4608367
Kaneko's art style kinda reminds me of Charles Burns but without the ugly as sin characters. I like that

[Anonymous No.4608419]

>>4608388
I remember him saying in a video he was into daniel clowes, so that makes sense.
>>4608378
Wish i knew, could only ever find like a couple of vids of him drawing.

[Anonymous No.4608673]

Pretty sure the manga lineart style comes from Moebius, which is an american, so try harder weebs

[Anonymous No.4608675]

>>4608673
>Jean Giraud
>American

[Anonymous No.4608681]

>>4608673
Moebius is about as American as Barack Hussein Obama.

[Anonymous No.4608708]

>>4608018
>When the last Asterix book came out like 5 years ago, it was the top selling book in France.
Well there is a bias, since it was a special book (first time it was drawn by someone else other than the original artist).
Asterix, or at least the good Asterix albums (cause there's always bad ones here and there), is popular because it actualy hits all demographics:
The heroes are a short and plucky guy, no taller than a child, and a gentle giant guy as dumb as a kid. Easily relatable for younger audiences, yet not foreign to adults.
Cartoonish violence, no blood or gore of any kind. There's always violence in the albums, but it's not long, stretched out tiring fight sequences, they're short and to the point.
Each album is self-contained. Doesn't matter if you haven't read any in the last 20 years, you can still pick the last one right away.
Puns. Tons of them. I seriously pity anyone who has to translate them for foreign audiences. That's for more mature audience too, as a kid you won't get most of them, but the writing is actualy comedic genius at times.

Also, parc Asterix. It's actualy a pretty good theme park, and pretty close to Paris. While EuroDisney is obviously more famous, it is also geared more toward little kids. Parc Asterix's rides are more wild, making them more relevant for teens and young adults who aren't attached to the Disney brand. It really helped the franchise staying relevant

[Anonymous No.4608748]

>>4607116
It's true I never liked the thick lines western artists use, looks shitty. But on the other hand western comics that have a painted quality are much better than asian flat shading.

[Anonymous No.4608753]

>>4608673
>im gonna troll these retards with muh moebius, im so clever

[Anonymous No.4608888]

>>4608190
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that all american comics are shit, but most people don't seem to care about them because a lot of them don't seem to make their characters look..... interesting/attractive? For example I checked out Black Hole by Charles Burns in google images and it seems like the characters seem to blend in rather than stick out, not to mention that they are in a sort of uncanny valley between looking average and looking ugly visually wise. For the tone the book is probably going for it would have better to made the characters just straight ugly in an appealing way, kind of like Robert Crumb illustrations. Regarding David Clowes also, his character just look....... "average" in a bland way. The most appealing character design from him is probably David Boring, and that's probably due to how simplistic he is compared to all his other characters so it sticks out rather than blending in with the others. Compared to a lot of popular artists like Jim Lee or Murata, that is probably the issue.

Despite the exaggeration of motion and speed lines in Murata's art, his characters are really attractive. same goes for Moebius, Inoue, Mignola, Araki, Herge, Slugbox and a lot of other people really. In this sense, attractive doesn't really mean "good looking": Rob Liefeld draws really ridiculous looking characters with fucked up proportions, but they stick out due to this even if his art is pretty shitty. the characters in Black Hole and Daniel Clowes novels just look uninterestingly bland.

[Anonymous No.4609317]

>>4608888
People don’t care about american comics because american comics are generally shit story wise. You can find a manga for just about any genre, but with american comics 95% of what you find will either be superhero books for the most part suck and only sell on character name recognition, or coming of age stories about rebellious teens doing magic or something. I don’t think the inking of american comics is a problem, but american comics do have the issue where they have an extra place where they can fuck things up that manga doesn’t, and that is coloring. Coloring makes or breaks a page and it seems like most colonists in american comics never read anything in regards to color theory.

[Anonymous No.4609720]

I actually like the art in OP's pic besides the bimbo-lipped chick; it fucking ruins everything. Why do american comics give women these giant bimbo lips and monkey noses with no bridge? I hate this whole boomer hollywood caricature of beauty that the artists seem to adhere to.

pic related is so much better than monkey bimbo shit

[Anonymous No.4610650]

>>4608190
>drawn by an American
>Eddie Campbell
Eddie Campbell is fucking Scottish. You'd know if you read Alec.
>>4608888
I'm not a fan of Clowes or Charles Burns, but that blandness is entirely purposeful. They're great at what they do. It seems like you want everything the same way, you and most posters on this board. I know only certain things will appeal to any person, but you have to recognize that Burns and Clowes were just not meant for you. There's plenty of actual shitty artists that are unappealing because they have no artistic passion or skill.

[Anonymous No.4610688]

>>4607116

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>>4610688

[Anonymous No.4610694]

>>4610690

[Anonymous No.4610695]

>>4610694

[Anonymous No.4610697]

>>4610695

[Anonymous No.4610698]

>>4610697

[Anonymous No.4610699]

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[Anonymous No.4610700]

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[Anonymous No.4610707]

>>4610700
There, that should help clear the euro-weaboo goblins out of this thread. The sight of good American comics that don't fit their narrow worldview causes them to have fits.

[Anonymous No.4610722]

>>4610650
>Eddie Campbell is fucking Scottish. You'd know if you read Alec.
Yeah my bad, I’m retarded. I was thinking of Stephen Bissette who also worked with Moore and mixed him up with Cambell.

[Anonymous No.4610745]

>>4610722
I guess it's an honest mistake, but I'm an autist.

[Anonymous No.4610756]

>>4607178
j scott campbell

[Anonymous No.4610758]

>>4607116
What the fuck does anime vs manga really have to do with /ic/? Are we just /ac/ - anime and comics now? Because you should be more worried about drawing people well in general rather than pining over this style versus that style. There are hundreds of styles in comics and manga each, and some of them even overlap. You gotta stop.

[Anonymous No.4611179]

When both are combined the result is often pretty great

[Anonymous No.4611234]

>>4611179
>combining it means making the male character a loli
It sucked all the soul from hell boy to make some generic moe garbage

[Anonymous No.4611263]

>>4610758
fucking weebs, man, ruining everything they see, just like furries. it doesn't help that mainstream anime is fucking garbage, but that's all what they want to do.

[Anonymous No.4611318]

>>4607116
I learned about how great thick lines are from japs drawing with ink brushes.

[Anonymous No.4611578]

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[Anonymous No.4612360]

>>4611234
This. I like anime styles as much as the next guy but Jesus Christ, everything doesn't have to be a cute waifubait anime girl. Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.4612594]

>>4610707
Hmm... what I just read was very interesting and clearly the story/lore behind this work is great and of high quality but the art... ? dude...