/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4602803]

How does this happen?

[Anonymous No.4602805]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientiousness
one has it the other doesn't

[Anonymous No.4602806]

>>4602803
Drawing once every blue moon, Not doing fundies, Not practicing smart, Inefficient practice methods, not setting goals, etc.

[Anonymous No.4602807]

>>4602803
When you are immersed in an environment where everyone is critical and isn't a hugbox you grow and thrive instead of stagnating and spending more time writing a short novel about your OC's life story and transition to MTF.

[Anonymous No.4602808]

>>4602803
Fundies vs "just draw" for non-talented people.

[Anonymous No.4602816]

>>4602807
>Name : Sonikumu
>Gender : Fluid-trans-gay
>Loves : Punk music, blood
>Hates : His abusive parents
These ones get me everytime

[Anonymous No.4602820]

>>4602808
pyw

[Anonymous No.4602825]

>>4602816

[Anonymous No.4602827]

>>4602816
>

[Anonymous No.4602839]

>>4602827
>>4602827
>" I live in Richfield. I have my own animation studio named Deer Entertainment."
I ... dont have words

[Anonymous No.4602861]

I bet that right one spend much less time drawing that the left one and in much less quality too

[Anonymous No.4602869]

>>4602803
People are told “it takes decades to master art!” and take it too literally.

[Anonymous No.4602878]

>>4602803
The crazy thing is that even the bad side of the artist on the left you can still see dynamism.

[Anonymous No.4602879]

>>4602839
So this is the fabled scuba fetishist I've heard about.

[Anonymous No.4602880]

>>4602803
Bro it's not cool to rip on autistic ppl
Every illustration class in the local community college has 1 guy/girl who's autist. Typically has a sketchbook filled with symbolic drawings with no understanding of basic form (lighting / perspective) and 30 minutes of backstory. Loves anime, colors with copics in solids like it's a crayon.

They are never gmi unless its naive/outsider art with undertones of implicit understanding. But these ppl are frens too because they are like us, just a different set of suffering

[Anonymous No.4602891]

>>4602803
They don't believe in themselves and aren't really trying to learn to draw.
They think that drawing half decent requires some kids and of special talent and wouldn't even try to.

[Anonymous No.4602896]

>>4602891
>They don't believe in themselves
What kind of disney dream world do you live in where "believing in yourself" is crucial for improvment? They could have autism or something, which means no matter what they do they will never improve.

[Anonymous No.4602899]

>>4602803
One is baiting for likes/RT and the other probably has autism

[Anonymous No.4602905]

>>4602896
Believing in yourself is necessary to commit and start studying.
If you look at a picture and think " wow It's amazing I could never do that" you already lost. But if you look at a picture and say " yes this is what I'm going to do" and actually work for it for a long time you will learn something eventually and would end up at least mediocre. Even if you're talentless and dumb you would learn something at all and wouldn't be a complete zero.

[Anonymous No.4602906]

>>4602880
This is an artwork critique board, not an autism hugbox board, or an understanding people's life circumstances board.

[Anonymous No.4602907]

>>4602905
It sure worked.

[Anonymous No.4602911]

>>4602906
The path to being a better artist is to be a better person
And plus, pointless critique. Its autismo art

[Anonymous No.4602912]

believe in the heart of the fundies, yugioh

[Anonymous No.4602913]

>>4602805
>>4602806
/thread

[Anonymous No.4602932]

>>4602899
>>4602899
this. based idoukunn still not satisfied with his first tweet having 400k likes so they decided to tweet another one to spread further saltiness

[Anonymous No.4602975]

There are two types of autists: The type that's gonna make it and the type that isn't.
The type that makes it are the ones that obsessively observe, analyze, and critique everything. They focus on the process heavily and become addicted to it.
The type that never makes it are the ones that have already made it in their minds. They never improve because they are already where they want to be. They are obsessed with their own internal world of fantasies and sloppily putting that world to paper brings them great joy, a kind of pure bliss that only their kind have been blessed with.

They exist on both extremes of the spectrum. They are the worst of us. They are the best of us.

[Anonymous No.4603000]

>>4602803
>How does this happen?
It's not fair bros, I just want some asian genes.

[Anonymous No.4603008]

>>4603000

[Anonymous No.4603029]

>>4602803
Left is autism with high iq and rigt is autism with low to average iq, or not even autism at all just low iq

[Anonymous No.4603036]

>>4602975
Were talking about literal, debilitating autism. like Christ Chan. The actual disorder that prevents you from doing anything of worth in life.

Not the meme kind you idiots call everyone just because they are hyper focused and obsessed with something.

[Anonymous No.4603043]

>>4603036
Chris chan autismo exists... just not as debilitating. Some of these ppl make it to ur local art classes. They need love as much as u do
Chris was a coombrain

[Anonymous No.4603049]

>>4603043
>They need love as much as u do
No, they need to be euthanized.

[Anonymous No.4603090]

>>4602807
I actually got better after leaving this place. Now I just lurk for the resources. After a while this becomes a shit place for critiques

[Anonymous No.4603120]

STUDY BOY STUDY

[Anonymous No.4603125]

>>4602803
he read loomis

[Anonymous No.4603182]

>>4602803
You can tell in the before pics

Left one looks bad but they're challenging themselves, they're not shying from foreshortening or a complex pose with varying angles, they're trying with fabric folds. Right side, its strictly 3/4, no pose, they're just being safe.

I've seen people like right side output a ludicrous amount of the same mediocre art and still not improve. Though I will say I've never seen anyone make huge transitions like left side without also outputting a ton of practice for at least a year.

[Anonymous No.4603369]

>>4602807
>When you are immersed in an environment where everyone is critical and isn't a hugbox
thats why everyone on ic is so good
LMAO

[Anonymous No.4603497]

>>4603036
You don't understand what autism is, which is sad because you seem like the kind of retard that would benefit from being put in a special ed class.

[Anonymous No.4603817]

>>4603497
asshurt autist detected.

[Anonymous No.4603818]

>>4602805
>>4602806
This is true but a difference in talent is also important.

[Anonymous No.4603915]

I really hope people don't genuinely believe the 'asian genes' meme.
Like it is funny for shitposting purposes but genuinely believing that youll never be good because you not a certain race is just sad or an excuse.
Just draw :).

[Anonymous No.4603925]

>>4603915
always relevant

[Anonymous No.4603926]

>>4602975
>>4603036
>>4603817
What is it with ic’s fixation with autism exactly

[Anonymous No.4603934]

>>4603000
stop
making
excuses

[Anonymous No.4603958]

>>4603000
Asia has developed a culture of consumption and production of goods, both physical and spiritual. The prevailing presence of animation and comics (manga) from this there is a demand, especially for the estate schools of drawing where they teach fundamental sciences in drawing.
That is why films are well made in the USA, and good in Japan. and in Russia they launch nuclear missiles.


Comrade
/thread

[Anonymous No.4603962]

>>4603958
>consumption and production of goods, both physical and spiritual
They don’t it be like it is, but it do

[Anonymous No.4603965]

>>4603958
>all asia is Japan
>good movies from america
>le consumerism
Ffs do you even read what you write? Even a toddler has more cohesive thoughts than you

[Anonymous No.4603967]

>>4603934
grind
more
loomis
heads

[Anonymous No.4603968]

>>4603958
>good films in Japan
Am i reading this wrong, or its just you?

[Anonymous No.4603972]

>>4603968
>That is why films are well made in the USA
Nah it’s just you comrade

[Anonymous No.4603974]

>>4603000
case of soul-souless if i seen one

[Anonymous No.4603975]

>>4603972
An what about Japan tovarish?

[Anonymous No.4603977]

Russian culture is entirely about militarism,
Japanese culture is about content making, everywhere is manga and anime.
US culture.... hm, ...LGBTq??

[Anonymous No.4603984]

>>4603977
>Russia is entirely about militarism,
>Japan is about content making, everywhere is manga and anime.
Heres your US culture, sprinkle some LGBTp over it and its done.

[Anonymous No.4603995]

[Anonymous No.4603999]

>>4602803
Not trying to improve usually means you don't improve.

[Anonymous No.4604025]

>>4602803
I could be wrong, but I feel that In the west they generally do not encourage art, unless it is performative, like Dancing or acting. If you were to go to any book store in america, you would see tons of cheap draw-the-owl books made for "children" looking to get a quick buck out of people who are wanting to pursue an interest that they have.

If I recall, the art curriculum in school is also way better outside of america. and similar to what >>4602807
said, in the west everything is about Patting yourself on the back for mediocrity, and celebrating art styles. This is because the only people interested in art is the internet, and we all know how sensitive they are, lol.

[Anonymous No.4604120]

>>4602803
It’s the difference between drawing 8 hours a day everyday and drawing when you feel like it

[Anonymous No.4604130]

>>4602805
Still only the second highest predictor of success. Int reigns supreme as always.

[Anonymous No.4604179]

>>4602827
>picture shows a chunky, friendly looking lizard man
>is a hardcore gangster that occasioned the deaths of several people and a dog, was finally arrested, charged with sixth degree murder, and died in prison at 48

Boy, that sure was something alright.

[Anonymous No.4605821]

>>4602907

>>4602905
>actually work for it for a long time
>for a long time
>long time

[Anonymous No.4605844]

>>4602806
>Not practicing smart, Inefficient practice methods, not setting goals, etc.
Maybe accomplishing all that requires talent.

[Anonymous No.4605908]

>>4603818
>>4605844
You both have already not made it.

[Anonymous No.4605912]

>>4602880
You're fren

[Anonymous No.4605915]

>>4605844
you could do all that shit with a sub average iq and still make it lol. /ic/ loves coping by calling everyone successful "talented" or "asian" but desu most people on this board legitimately fit into the crab bucket analogy

[Anonymous No.4606117]

>>4605844
Jesus christ, that is the saddest sentence ive ever read.

[Anonymous No.4606131]

>>4603915
Also don’t forget to start early and don’t disregard talent. It’s very real

[Anonymous No.4606134]

>>4602803
If you are of the Slavic race and not the white race, then stop copying

[Anonymous No.4606135]

>>4605844
Based crab poster, we’re all (not) gonna make it because of talent.

[Anonymous No.4606159]

>>4602808
just draw is the left one btw

[Anonymous No.4606160]

>>4606159
This but unironicly

[Anonymous No.4606164]

>>4602803
It’s almost like talent is real. But you can’t say it on this board because you hurt the boomers talentless feelings. Fuck political correctness

[Anonymous No.4606193]

So, can we logically deduce that writing long background stories for your characters is a symptom of ngmi?

[Anonymous No.4606356]

>>4602907
>not recognizing SOUL
>comparing this SOUL to OP's SOULLESS artists
This image is more interesting than either artists works in the OP, regardless if it lacks in fundies or is a copy/study

[Anonymous No.4606385]

>>4602803
Too much loomis

[Anonymous No.4606409]

Step 1: be a women
Step 2: get validation for everything you do, never take criticism to heart, never study anything.

[Anonymous No.4606436]

>>4606164
>Wow look at this guy, he is SO TALENTED at putting bricks one after another and align them perfectly.
>Wow look at this guy, he is SO TALENTED at doing a specific dance routine.
>Wow look at this guy, he is SO TALENTED at parsing statistics and discovering social trends.

Art is a craft like very other crafts, requires training like every other things that require training. Not being politically correct doesn't mean you can't make absolute brainlet takes. You brainlet.

[Anonymous No.4606444]

>>4606436
Found the talentlet.
Seeth more knowing you’re ngmi and give up

[Anonymous No.4606448]

>>4606444
This is so weak, guess you are not talented at trolling either. You might need some more training.

[Anonymous No.4607838]

Why do artists on the right always do the same pose and angle?

[Anonymous No.4607856]

>>4602878
That's the thing even if they weren't 'technically good', they still took risks.

They've made more mistakes than you've tried.

[Anonymous No.4607883]

>>4606444
>Seeth more knowing you’re ngmi
Who are you to decide that?

[Anonymous No.4607973]

Sometimes you just stagnate because you don't want to grow. Or just don't have the time in the world. Getting good is a grind and requires time and effort. Sometimes life just gets in the way and prevents you from putting in that time and effort.

That or you have too big an ego to realize your work always needs improvement no matter what.

[Anonymous No.4607997]

>>4603926
everyone here is at least slightly autistic

[Anonymous No.4608135]

>>4605821
How long do you Think it should take? A day? A month? A year?

[Anonymous No.4610445]

He read Loomis

[Anonymous No.4610862]

it has nothing to do with race
however it does have to do sith factors that i would say ones country of residence relates to
ones will to learn, and more importantly, ones will to improve. Americans arent really known for either of those things, while asian people have consistently shown to be very dedicated on focused on their crafts
guaranteed the person on the right never once thought "hmm maybe my art isnt so good", or "hmm maybe i could fix x or y in this piece". theyre lack in "talent" is really just a lack in mind

[Anonymous No.4610878]

>>4606436
It also requires talent just like any other art in history ever

[Anonymous No.4610887]

>>4602806
What do you mean by practicing smart? i always wanted to know about that, but the answers are always so vague an useless.

[Anonymous No.4610892]

>>4602803
One drew regularly for the purpose of improving.
The other likes art and draws every now and then. I bet the left image drew more in the year 2008 alone than the right did in that entire 12 year period.

[Anonymous No.4610909]

>>4610887
I dunno what he meant but I see it like that.
You have to analyze your art for everything you you dislike about, write it down and search fot guides that will help you to improve this and then immediately get into practice. There are patterns to what looks good and you just have to learn and understand them.

[Anonymous No.4610937]

>>4610862
Mutt cope.

[Anonymous No.4610941]

>>4610892
>I bet the left image drew more in the year 2008 alone than the right did in that entire 12 year period.
what

[Anonymous No.4610942]

>>4610909
Actually a good idea, in my case is more like i watch a piece made by someone else and realize how many thing from that piece i'm not able to do.

[Anonymous No.4610951]

>>4606436
Brick laying isn't an art.
Dancing and advanced math do require talent and most people agree to that. The physically clumsy or the low iq people would almost never make it in either

[Anonymous No.4610952]

>>4610909
I dislike capeshit l type art with those ugly faces and want only cute anime girls, yet people tell me I must draw ugly capeshit faces

[Anonymous No.4610977]

>>4606164
Talent is real. A lot of people can draw absolutely effortlessly and pretty decently from the start. The problem is,if they don't put work in like everybody else they will actually never overcome their mediocrity.
Actually you can easily separate who are just talented by those who put in work. Talented people will have good looking artwork but with some really dumb technical mistakes because they are arrogant and have no interest in learning the basics. They just rely on their guts.

>>4610951
Bullshit. I've seen people absolutely suck in math, put in some heavy work and in the end becoming the absolute prodigy in it so far as to pursue a career in it.

[Anonymous No.4610984]

>>4610977
So they hadn't fostered their natural talents. Ift hey were low iq
1.they wouldn't have the discipline to put in heavy work
2.Even if they did, the material would go over their heads.
Throughout highschool i ignored math class because i wanted to be an artist, i spent an undeserved amount of hours into art, and achieved a low to mediocre skill. I realized i had no talent for art and switched to a technical path, and have had tenfold returns per hour spent studying mathematics than i did for art.

[Anonymous No.4610991]

>>4610941
My phrasing is a mess. What I meant was that the artist who improved rapidly over a few years drew more in any given period of time than the artist who barely improved over a decade drew over their entire period.

[Anonymous No.4611026]

>>4610984
Not true. I did mention that he was sucking at math at first for a reason. Like really heavily sucked,were at the bottom of the line. They worked like 8hour a each day to reach the status of prodigy, only out of sense of pride. Cmon discipline and iq have nothing to do with each other.
A person with natural talent would do it all twice as fast.

Talent is something you have innately, it is not an earned skill. A talented person just stands one step further than everybody else at first, but when other start to catch up, he too will start to get behind. Thats how it works.

[Anonymous No.4611066]

>>4611026
>Discipline and iq have nothing to do with each other
lol,

The rest of your argument is built upon a strawman.
Talent is innate but it doesn't mean that you don't need to put in any effort to realize it. Even in the biblical sense, talent is a natural disposition which you nurture through work. A talented peron will simply get more out of training. A higher output of skill gained per hours put in, and it shows exponentially.

Someone who can't draw but also never picked a pencil in his life is not necessarily untalented.
If he ever picks up on drwing and has any talent, he will surpass most talentless people, even if they have had more hours of training in total. Your friend would never even grasp the necessary abstraction required for advanced maths if he was an idiot, even if he worked 16 hours a day.

[Anonymous No.4611262]

>>4603043
>They need love as much as u do
>Chris was a coombrain

This, man. His parents failed him so badly.

[Anonymous No.4611294]

>>4610977
>absolute prodigy
Link me to a paper he has published.

[Anonymous No.4611587]

>>4603029
unironically this

[Anonymous No.4611598]

>>4602808
why not both?

[Anonymous No.4611665]

>>4610862
>however it does have to do sith factors

[Anonymous No.4611708]

>>4611066
Not being a retard and have talent are different things. Most people have the ability to grasp abstract stuff if they are attentive. And just like that most mediocre people can learn to draw well, it is a question of willingless and effort.
Unless you have literal imbecility you don't really have excuses aside from simply not wanting to. Talents exist but they dont really affect the overall picture as much.

[Anonymous No.4611714]

I'm sure what everyone has already said matters a lot, but I also think it has to do with shame.

Honestly, even a Japanese high schooler would be embarrassed to be seen drawing the stuff at a level like the one on the right of OP. If you've ever been to a Japanese school you realize that even regular teenagers "doodling" are far better than the one on the right. Yeah, most of them are symbol drawing, but they're -good- symbol drawings. Once you teach them fundies they just git gud faster.

[Anonymous No.4611731]

>>4611066
No.
The person who has talent will outdo his peers at a starting point. Lets imagine all other children start at level 1 with all skills,but the person with talent in painting will immediately start at level 5. And also gets bonus exp too. But the point is, talent never performs worse than other people with the same amount of training. So,if you are the worst at math compared to people who learn it at equal, you dont have talent. You may still have hidden passion however.

[Anonymous No.4611734]

>>4603934
based
and
redpilled
faggots will whine about muh talent and "muh fundamentals dont work" while making 1 piece every 2 months and complaining they dont improve due to things out of their control, they should try trying instead

[Anonymous No.4611736]

>>4603977
us is a relatively young place, so right now its just a mishmash of different people fighting each other but still uniting when it comes to shitting on anyone who isnt american

[Anonymous No.4611776]

>>4602803
I really want to know what the person on the left did. I still don't know where the fuck to even start after reading the sticky.

[Anonymous No.4611913]

Talent just doesn't exist. It's just that other environmental factors set you up for doing better than others. How is this hard to grasp?

If you grow up around artsy folk, play with toys that stimulate fine motor function or in general engage in activities that benefit understanding of the fundamentals of art you'll be able to pick it up faster.

Sorry you had shit parents crabs.

[Anonymous No.4611926]

>>4611776
its not about what they did to learn
its about their entire mental approach to the challenge
they didnt make a shit drawing and say "nice its done and i can publish this". they made a shit drawing and thought "wow this is fucking shit im going to make it better. and better and better"
they have an actual idea of what looks good and what doesnt. perhaps its because theyre more conscientious and are able to picture things in their head. perhaps its just higher mental capacity.

[Anonymous No.4611974]

>>4611913
talent exists, its just that the untalented people are the minority, aka brain damaged

[Anonymous No.4612014]

Retarded opinion desu senpai

[Anonymous No.4612184]

>>4602803
Being asian vs being not asian.

[Anonymous No.4612204]

>>4611714
lol this is absolutely retarded. pixiv is larded with japs doing toddler level art. /ic is delusional because they never interact with anything beyond the most entry level Japanese coomer shit that they crank their dick to and then give praise to glorious nippon

[Anonymous No.4614493]

snibety snab, cribety crab

[Anonymous No.4614496]

>>4602803
Let's see your progress :)

[Anonymous No.4614639]

Talent isn’t real, the artist is just that stubborn and prevents themselves to improve because they think that their art style is more important than taking any real risks.

[Anonymous No.4614648]

>>4602803
>they don't know

[Anonymous No.4616312]

>>4602907
What is this supposed to tell me?

[Anonymous No.4616324]

>>4603977
US is about capital accoomulation, nothing else
And I say 'coom' because it truly has reached sexual levels of commodity and monetary fetishism

[Anonymous No.4616330]

>>4603120
Anyone know the sauce behind this image?

[Anonymous No.4616412]

>>4616324
I though usa culture was halloween and yeehaws

[Anonymous No.4616488]

>>4616412
Hallowe'en is Irish, anon.

[Anonymous No.4616652]

>>4604025
>In the west they generally do not encourage art

They do, they just don't encourage people to take their art further than the minimum for the art industry. It's usually abstract art and something that doesn't require a grasp of fundementals.

[Anonymous No.4616660]

This is sad

[Anonymous No.4616723]

>>4603977
capitalism
doing the lowest effort possible trying to get the max rewards
being harmful to others instead of trying to improve yourself

[Anonymous No.4616786]

>>4602803
Easy. Left is japanese, right isn't.

[Anonymous No.4619612]

>>4616412
and talking in front of lockers and sitting on your bed with shoes on

[Anonymous No.4619632]

>>4610991

Your phrasing was fine. Other anon may just speak English as a second language or something.

[Anonymous No.4619906]

[Anonymous No.4623302]

nice desu

[Anonymous No.4623441]

>>4619612
>sitting on your bed with shoes on
Wait what? People actually do that?

[Anonymous No.4624504]

>>4602803
even japs stagnate

[Anonymous No.4624512]

>>4624504
I recognize that artist, he’s actually pretty good. He’s definitely improved a lot even just judging from that one comparison, although it’s not so obvious.

[Anonymous No.4624922]

>>4624504
>even japs stagnate
how would you even improve, when you only draw in a generic style?

[Anonymous No.4625459]

>>4611913
>talent doesn’t exist
Yeah let’s ignore genes and that some people are just better at certain things. Untalented cope

[Anonymous No.4625630]

>>4625459
Show me the drawing gene bucko.

[Anonymous No.4625637]

>>4619906
>mfw someone says loomis doesn't work for style