/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4597439]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the /draw/thread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make YOURSELF feel proud.

previous >>4595222

READ THE STICKY if you're new or need guidance.

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

[Anonymous No.4597455]

Posted this in the old thread right before this new one is made.

Posting this again because I need the crits (this is drawn from memory)

[Anonymous No.4597579]

Picked the first pic of an actual person in the stick guide thing and got this. Gonna try something simpler next time.

[Anonymous No.4597589]

>>4597455
1. Love your cross hatching
2. Doesn't really matter for form, but you're missing the ethmoid bone
3. Is this digital? if so what brushes are you using?

[Anonymous No.4597612]

Been a while since I posted anything here. Nothing special with this, just the bust of an idea for a character I have. I was told that his eyes seem too 2D, and I can't really tell if that's the case especially since it's a stylized character and all. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4597620]

Been a while since I posted anything here. Nothing special with this, just the bust of an idea for a character I have. I was told that his eyes seem too 2D, and I can't really tell if that's the case especially since it's a stylized character and all. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4597634]

>>4597620
the whole thing is too flat, the style is fine if thats what you're going for but try and work on shading, why isn't the eyebrowridge casting a shadow? why isn't the nose? what about the head and jaw casting a shadow and the neck?

Work on your shading and it'll look a lot better. Also, for the eyes, try adding an pupil and some light reflecting on the eye to fix the flatness.

[Anonymous No.4597642]

>>4597439
>TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.
i tried this and people got mad at me or ignored me. I showed a guy in detail on how to approach the loomis heads i haven't heared from him since

[Anonymous No.4597643]

>>4597589
It's digital, I used the real g-pen for the "ink" and real pencil for the "pencil", both are from default csp.

[Anonymous No.4597650]

>>4597642
Where you the one who placed some green lines for face proportions?

[Anonymous No.4597653]

>>4597642
lots of retards post in /beg/ and then cry and piss their pants when people give them feedback. Faggots should go back to their DA echochambers.

[Anonymous No.4597659]

Really wanna get better at drawing clothes

>>4597579
Still /beg/ myself but I do like, you ended up rotating the torso a little but if you were studying clothing then I guess that’s not too important

[Anonymous No.4597662]

[Anonymous No.4597666]

>>4597659
*like it

[Anonymous No.4597669]

[Anonymous No.4597693]

Fixed some of the more glaring faults, but now the dress is even more fucked lol

>>4597659
I just wanted to be able to post something I put some effort into here and all my actualy studies are on paper (and I have no camera or phone with one) so I went to the sticky and found this random chick.
Honestly trying to keep track of all the folds is super tiring. Especially in the shirt. Couldn't get that right; she looks like she's partially topless to me. Should have just done what you did and simplified it.

[Anonymous No.4597696]

>>4597669
Is that Ifrit? I’m still /beg but I like how you pulled off the foreshortening of the head. It could maybe be looser and more gestural since it looks a little stiff, but I like the overall look

[Anonymous No.4597703]

>>4597693
Yeah, I think I’ve actually read/heard that it’s better to keep the folds simple and focus on the essential ones, especially if you’re going for a cartoonish style since too much can bog down the drawing, though I liked your overall execution

[Anonymous No.4597704]

>>4597634
Yeah, the shading was kind of an afterthought, cus I just wanted to get idea of his design down. Wouldn't be a bad idea to revisit it though. And in retrospect, the eyes are probably fine for the style, and they likely threw me off because of the additional shading I did.

[Anonymous No.4597705]

You're right, it's definitely too stiff, the shading is also messy and unappealing. I'm going to start another practice

[Anonymous No.4597709]

>>4597696
You're right, it's definitely too stiff, the shading is also messy and unappealing. I'm going to start another practice

[Anonymous No.4597711]

>>4597709

Overall I don't think it's that bad, anon, but you do you.

[Anonymous No.4597714]

>>4597703
Makes sense. I'll look up on a guide on it at some point, althought right now, my focus is more on anatomy, perspective and faces that don't look like ****. I do WANT to be able to draw pretty dresses, but its just not as important as these things I think.
I just didn't think it'd be such a massive undertaking when I found that random pic.

Take this with a pinch of salt because /beg/ but with your girl
>Breasts should be closer, more even, and further to the other side
>Legs too far apart,
>I assume she's facing up on purpose, I don't get perspective myself
>Back is going too far out and her hips are both too big and too far to the right, should basically just cut the fat off her back and it'd be largely fine
>Speaking of important folds, I think she should have like at least one on the right side of her, since its weird how she suddenly has 0 folds at such a big section

[Anonymous No.4597715]

First time posting in /beg/ and I had some questions, primarily about technique. I've been doing the practices in Right Side of the Brain (without the viewfinder stuff because I don't have that) and I definitely feel like I struggle with creating straight lines and chicken scratches, so I was wondering about how I would circumvent that. (I've always had very shaky hands, so I kind of wonder if that makes art impossible for me.)
Any other critique in general would be appreciated, primarily about symbol drawing
For what it is worth, I've been drawing for six days as of today. I'll post ref in a reply

[Anonymous No.4597716]

>>4597715
ref

[Anonymous No.4597723]

>>4597715
I know a guy who had cancer when he was 13, of the brain, who survived but got left with a completely ****** brain. He shakes all the time. He's a better artist than me, but he has to do it digitally, because he never knows when he's going to start shaking too much and if that happens on a computer he can just CTRL+Z
I doubt your shakes are as bad as his though.

[Anonymous No.4597736]

>>4597714
Based and helping fellow artists pilled. GMI desu.

Im glad you pointed out the mistakes, it’s always harder to spot them in your own work since it just s reads better than from fresh eyes. I think Hogarth has a decent /int/ level book on clothing, although for /beg, Loomis should do fine. Perspective made easy was definitely good for figuring out the basics of drawing with foreshortening. For anatomy, I think gesture would actually improve the work more than the exact anatomical accuracy since it looks more fluid, but Proko, Hogarth and loomis were good resources for that

[Anonymous No.4597739]

what does gmi mean lol

[Anonymous No.4597746]

>>4597739
gmi: graphic mom interface

[Anonymous No.4597747]

>>4597650
No

[Anonymous No.4597753]

>>4597739
gmi: grease mass index

[Anonymous No.4597756]

>>4597693
Construct more. It'll help lots. You have a complex form (dress) on top of another complex form (body)... of you don't feel the form, your drawing will always look like flat contour

[Anonymous No.4597772]

>>4597736
I've been using villpu for 'where this shit goes on the face', although even knowing where everything goes, actually drawing it nice is a different matter. Especially on a smaller head. Much easier if you are literally just drawing a face and the whole canvas therefore leaves ton of room for making the eyes pretty.
For anatomy, I think my next step will be anatomy for sculpturs. Posts around here make it sound like the most to-the-point, this is the anatomy that actually matters for most people who want to draw guide around.
Not a fan of loomis, his stuff all makes little sense to me.

>>4597756
But then again the /wici/ literally only lists Loomis for construction so I guess I'll give him another chance.
Thanks for the feedback

[Anonymous No.4597773]

>>4597723
Maybe I should invest in some digital drawing tools then because hitting ctrl+z sounds nicer than having eraser marks everywhere

[Anonymous No.4597774]

>>4597439
This is my sketch layer so far

[Anonymous No.4597779]

>>4597439
This is my sketch layer so far

[Anonymous No.4597785]

>>4597774
>>4597779
what did you even change lol
I like how his bones are visible through him, hope that's the actual design and not just a result of layers, looks really good in his legs in particular

[Anonymous No.4597793]

>>4597785
I just changed the resolution so it's not as much of a pain, also thanks.

[Anonymous No.4597795]

I'm trying to draw what i see but i tend to very quickly mess up the form. It happens when i try to copy portraits too, i can't seem to get the outline down.

[Anonymous No.4597802]

>>4597715

Practice more drawing with your shoulder, anon, if you aren't already. Drawing with the wrist and hands only is what leads to uncertain lines.

[Anonymous No.4597808]

>>4597715
> I definitely feel like I struggle with creating straight lines and chicken scratches, so I was wondering about how I would circumvent that.
Unironically drawabox. I didn't actually expect it to work but my lines are substantially smoother and more accurate after two months of on and off practice.

[Anonymous No.4597811]

>>4597772
Check out some burned hogarth. He's very stylized, but helpful. For me, constructing form means the underlying structure of the entire body as a 3d object... ot doesnt have to be exact bit 2 know what it is and how it functions. Hope that helps

[Anonymous No.4597812]

>>4597739
gotta mean it

[Anonymous No.4597820]

>>4597795
this is a question better suited for the sticky, but I'll summarize

you're drawing what you think it should look like rather than it actually looks like. The moment you look away from the reference you are making up lines based on memory.

exercises to work on this are
>take 5 minutes on a photo, and do not look at the paper while drawing, do your best to guide your hand and pencil while not looking at them, this trains your hand eye coordination over time
>another method is try drawing the reference upside down. while drawing it upside down it makes your brain pay much more attention to the lines than it normally would, ergo you end up having a more accurate picture.

do these two things for a couple of months and you'll see substantial improvement. also read the fucking sticky.

[Anonymous No.4597822]

>>4597802
>>4597808
These are definitely both things I'll try out. Thank you for the suggestions!

[Anonymous No.4597827]

>>4597820
>another method is try drawing the reference upside down. while drawing it upside down it makes your brain pay much more attention to the lines than it normally would, ergo you end up having a more accurate picture.
should i turn the photo upside down or try drawing it upside down in my head?

[Anonymous No.4597828]

>>4595246
>>4595276
Update from last thread. Are the tits fixed at least?

[Anonymous No.4597829]

>>4597811
I'll give him a look tommorow, thank you. And Loomis.
>>4597811
>ot doesnt have to be exact bit 2 know what it is and how it functions.
Did you mean exact fit? Honestly not sure what you are saying here, no offense, maybe I'm too tired to read right.

[Anonymous No.4597840]

>>4597829
Sorry fat fingers. It doesn't have to b exact, but just to know how forms work together, like torso, hips, limbs, neck, head etc...

Burne hogarth is da man

[Anonymous No.4597843]

>>4597820
Ok thanks. More drawing on the right side i guess.

[Anonymous No.4597849]

>>4597827
you flip the reference upside down and draw upside down
the psychology behind it is that when you draw right side up, you recognize the image, whether it be a face, object or animal.

when you flip the image and copy it upside down, your brain has a hard time seeing the big picture, so it focuses on the small details instead.

[Anonymous No.4597855]

>>4597840
Thanks. As is I do kind of think of a person like
>Head
>Torso
>First and second half of arms and legs
>Hands and feet
Which misses nearly everything. In particular the neck bone and armpits I can never understand how to place beyond just eye'ing it.

>>4597828
Dunno about that but I'm curious why her mp3 player is so small? Like its barely bigger than her belly button

[Anonymous No.4597858]

Followed mikeymanga guy tutorial with these. I want to go deep in anime but i can't find good stuff to learn in english.
Pin2d is amazing but there is only few videos with subtitles.

[Anonymous No.4597869]

>>4597855
Its off of my little sandisk mp3 player.

[Anonymous No.4597881]

>>4597773
If you are remotely close to as bad as my friend (who shakes enough he'll elbow and sometimes even smack you if you are too close, unintentionally), you should really consider it.
It takes 1 bad shake to instantly ruin anything he works on if using paper

[Anonymous No.4597900]

>>4597822

We all like to make fun of him on /ic/, but pay attention to the first part of the video here, where he talks about the different types of lines. Look at HOW he draws. Even if you're drawing digitally, you can incorporate the same body motions in drawing better lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyuCq6VWVeA

[Anonymous No.4597910]

>>4597662
this is beautiful, do you have more work to show?

[Anonymous No.4597919]

Just finished my Igor, what do you think? It was hard to get proportions right. Will it get easier as i practice?

[Anonymous No.4597929]

>>4597919
chickenscratching

[Anonymous No.4597934]

>>4597919

[Anonymous No.4597940]

>>4597934
Yeah I mostly do proportions unconsciously in poses that I know well

[Anonymous No.4597960]

>>4597919
Very /beg/ here but your Igor looked better than mine so you'll be alright I think

[Anonymous No.4597984]

>>4597929
>>4597940
>>4597960
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4598011]

I draw things for free on r9k for practice doing inked drawings

[Anonymous No.4598013]

>>4598011
cute

[Anonymous No.4598047]

What are some tricks that can help break the habit of tunnel vision ?

[Anonymous No.4598056]

>>4598047

You're going to be more specific as to what you mean by tunnel vision anon.

[Anonymous No.4598074]

based on >>4597264

[Anonymous No.4598080]

=BIG POST WARNING=

I'm trying out Vilppus gesture technique and I've had a little trouble in some areas. Can I get any pointers on where exactly I went wrong with some of these? I know they're pretty hard to read with all my scribbles but if anyone can decipher this I'd like some help. I don't want to try finishing stuff again until I've gotten a lot better with gestures.

[Anonymous No.4598088]

>>4598056
Warping perspective and proportion because you focus on certain features for too long and not paying attention to the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.4598089]

how do i stop my faces from looking "flat"?

[Anonymous No.4598093]

>>4598080
They’re pretty good man, gestures aren’t really meant to be pretty you’re expected to make thousands of these over a life time

[Anonymous No.4598095]

>>4598089
loomis

[Anonymous No.4598106]

>>4598080
The biggest issue i see is that you draw snowman. Your wrapping is ok (not perfect but thats training) What you are lacking is the "wave" that moves through the body.

[Anonymous No.4598123]

>>4598106
Not him, but what's a snowman if it's an actually established artistic flaw with a weird name like chicken scratch?

[Anonymous No.4598132]

>>4598123
extremly shitty redline(paint and a mouse) but thats something like this.

The gesture flows through the body.

[Anonymous No.4598143]

>>4598132
Oh huh, didn't know there was a phrase for that.

[Anonymous No.4598191]

>>4598080
It's fun to draw from your gestures.

[Anonymous No.4598204]

Any advice for drawing tongues?

[Anonymous No.4598211]

>>4598204
You don't have to if you always draw your characters with a penis in their mouth

[Anonymous No.4598215]

>>4598211
Not if the tongue has to wrap around the penis while it's in a mouth

[Anonymous No.4598229]

a-anybody want to draw my 3D waifu

[Anonymous No.4598230]

>>4598204
same mechanic of twisting a paper, draw a rectangle, twist it, add 3d

[Anonymous No.4598234]

>>4598229
u that poor that can't pay a 3rd worlder $10 ?

[Anonymous No.4598242]

>>4598204

[Anonymous No.4598260]

It seems like this should be easy to fix but how do I stop my art from being so scratchy?

[Anonymous No.4598264]

>>4598106
>>4598132
Shit, I think I get it. That's a pretty big problem actually, I'm having a hard time forcing my mind to twist the body around the wave. How do I avoid this, basically how do I connect the body parts without them looking like a jointed doll?

[Anonymous No.4598265]

So I just spent the last few days watching and taking notes from those Steve Huston videos on head drawing (and a tiny bit of Vilpuu), and decided I might as well attempt to draw something from reference. I wasn't concerned with making pretty non chicken scratched lines, or some beautiful fully rendered piece with hair..I just wanted to see if I could make at least a semi-accurate head. Well, I tried. It came out better than I expected, but it still wasn't good.

Anyway, I decided to scan the drawing and slap it next to the reference I found online and outline parts of the face to mark some differences. Does this seem like a solid way of finding flaws with my stuff to you guys? I saved a separate PSD file so I can turn the line layers off and on.

Also yes I've taken art classes, done live model drawing sessions before and read Fun with a Pencil. I'm just a lazy asshole who never started practicing seriously outside of class projects until recently. Thanks for reading my blog post.

[Anonymous No.4598272]

>>4598265
That's a great way to learn.

[Anonymous No.4598273]

>>4598204
>>4598230

see this >>4598267

[Anonymous No.4598365]

[Anonymous No.4598370]

I'm going to draw.

[Anonymous No.4598378]

>>4598088
It's natural for u to draw like that because the human eyes move in staccato rhythms, focusing intensely at things in our field of view, then quickly switching to something else.

Go from general to specific, big shapes and forms to small forms. Everyone is guilty of trying to render the face while the other things aren't settled. If you find urself stuck in a small area, break out and draw the big forms

[Anonymous No.4598390]

>>4597739
they mean the art is so good that ur "gonna masturbate internally" to it

[Anonymous No.4598396]

any hair tutorials out there that aren't garbage? I wanna make hair like pic related

[Anonymous No.4598399]

Sketching

[Anonymous No.4598411]

>>4597642
Could you explain it again? I would like to know what you mentioned.

[Anonymous No.4598421]

>>4597858
>mikeymanga
Just get mangamaterial you negro.
His basically teaching you jackshit.

[Anonymous No.4598425]

I will say I didn't get ignored and really appreciate the sense of direction I got so thanks bros
''Work on this specific thing or things via this dudes work'' is much better than just mindlessly grinding

[Anonymous No.4598431]

>>4598396
Look up James gurney ribbon method. It's also in his book color and light. Have fun.

[Anonymous No.4598432]

>>4598421
different anon here, what's the problem with mikey?

[Anonymous No.4598438]

How do I improve this?

ref: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/e9/2a/bee92ae5dc8cfbc60d736ab9d0a05288.jpg

[Anonymous No.4598441]

>>4598438
Need to do a lot of construction
Boxes and tubes before you do final lines and do details

[Anonymous No.4598442]

>>4598441
Any exercises for that?

[Anonymous No.4598443]

>>4598421
>mangamaterial
>patreon

do we have a zip hidden in some sticky?

[Anonymous No.4598445]

>>4598442
Bridgeman shows examples how to do box men
Box for the head and rib cage and pelvis
And how they twist and fit
I think Loomis has something similar also

[Anonymous No.4598446]

>>4598443
Yes. Want me to share it?

[Anonymous No.4598449]

>>4598446
I feel like this is a trap
b-but yes, please

[Anonymous No.4598450]

Want to draw a character, but I need to grind loomis before you guys hit my pic with the same comment.
Been making music and watching rogan procrastinating the grind.

[Anonymous No.4598458]

>>4598396
Looks like they just did a solid black base, then added highlight streaks.

[Anonymous No.4598460]

>>4598449
there u go
https://mega.nz/file/PSglBYiZ#NIKdW00HeYvst8-mY2xpSTZKONn1fYpLGIJua9zw6aU
will remove link in a couple hours.
this is what inside the folder if your interested.

[Anonymous No.4598462]

>>4598460
Oh shit
Can't give you much except this cute image

Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4598490]

>>4598460
Heh not that anon, but taking it too nigga.

[Anonymous No.4598492]

is my color choice good? is there something wrong anatomically or perspective wise? is her head right or i need to loomis it harder?

[Anonymous No.4598502]

>>4598460
I don't even like anime but I'll grab it too just in case it has handy info outside of the anime stuff. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4598590]

>>4598204
I forced myself to complete a drawing despite how much I started hating it.

[Anonymous No.4598593]

Nigger what am i doing?!

[Anonymous No.4598594]

[Anonymous No.4598602]

>>4598590
There is something about your final line weight that killed it
Your initial drawing was pretty good but your line weight for your final is too unified
Get a brush pen or a dip pen or something you can change the pressure of your own to emphasize some parts

[Anonymous No.4598603]

>>4598450
>procrastinating the grind.
Just fucking draw

[Anonymous No.4598604]

>>4598590
>complete a drawing despite how much I started hating it.
good mentality

>>4598593
Not sure what's happening. Are they going to eat the mouse?

>>4598590
Nice clean linework.
How do you decide how to split the hair when doing anime hair? It looks good.

>>4598594
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjo6V1Y18Qs

[Anonymous No.4598606]

>>4598460
thanks king

[Anonymous No.4598613]

>>4598492
I would say her chest looks a little broad compared to its depth, and her eyes are a little close. Asuka is pretty skinny. Otherwise it looks pretty decent.

[Anonymous No.4598616]

posting another mask, or slightly stylized asaro interpretation of a person.

[Anonymous No.4598619]

>>4598616
The chin bone is not symmetrical

[Anonymous No.4598621]

>>4598616
reference for those that want to nit pick.

>>4598619
Thanks

[Anonymous No.4598622]

really dont do much at all i trace most of my stuff and just do changes but im trying to get into it more

[Anonymous No.4598624]

>>4598622
Wow, terrible, and signed to boot.

[Anonymous No.4598627]

>>4598622
Holy based

[Anonymous No.4598638]

>>4598622
kek

[Anonymous No.4598648]

>>4597439
I'm working on this

[Anonymous No.4598657]

>>4598460
How do you study her stuff? like you just find the planes and copy the drawings or what.

[Anonymous No.4598659]

>>4598622
soul

[Anonymous No.4598661]

>>4596461
the shin and foot are uncomfortably too twisted

[Anonymous No.4598673]

>>4598492
My interpretation of what is going on. maybe because sun is from bottom somewhere
that is unusual for natural

[Anonymous No.4598686]

What's the best tutorial for head and face anatomy that will teach me to understand the form and not just copy someone elses symbols?

[Anonymous No.4598687]

Just finished this

[Anonymous No.4598692]

>>4597858
hey Mikey got me back into drawing

[Anonymous No.4598699]

>>4598603
I want to but that's not what i'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to grind fundies.

[Anonymous No.4598701]

>>4598686
loomis

[Anonymous No.4598711]

>>4598701
No, anatomy. Loomis shows me how to caricature anatomy I already am supposed to know.

[Anonymous No.4598714]

>>4598711
Michael hampton

[Anonymous No.4598719]

Could somebody help me with this pose

I feel like I got the torso wrong and boobs but I'm not sure how to fix it.

[Anonymous No.4598729]

>>4598719
The torso is definitely broken but the biggest issue are those feet
Try to use boxed perspective for the torso so you can see how it tapers along the back

[Anonymous No.4598766]

>>4598719
>apple head
What reason for short cut hair in the middle of head when all hair is much longer?

[Anonymous No.4598772]

rarely take drawings past the figure stage so i'm trying to force myself to put clothes on this one and finding it very difficult

[Anonymous No.4598796]

So how many times do I have to repeat this shit until I can have fun drawing random stuff again?

[Anonymous No.4598797]

>>4598796
Try applying to your work and if it works, stop doing the funny heads anymore.

[Anonymous No.4598798]

ill touch it up more. Just trying to work out construction methods mostly right now

[Anonymous No.4598801]

>>4598796
Your funny faces are all wobbly. It either mean you do not care or do not understand. Because only front one is decent I assume later.

[Anonymous No.4598805]

>>4598798
how this neck connected and tangents with hair is no good

[Anonymous No.4598824]

>>4598798
holy neck batman

[Anonymous No.4598826]

Did a face study to try and learn some anatomy, don't really feel like I learned much besides how to draw this specific face.

[Anonymous No.4598831]

>>4598801
>only front one is decent I assume later.
Huh?

[Anonymous No.4598832]

Did a face study to try and learn some anatomy, don't really feel like I learned much besides how to draw this specific face. Reposting because I cant into lighting.

[Anonymous No.4598834]

>>4598832
lol

[Anonymous No.4598840]

>>4598834
Well, how bad is it? On a scale from 1-3 out of 10?

[Anonymous No.4598841]

>>4598831
"only the front facing one is decent, so I assume the latter (that you do not understand Loomis)"

[Anonymous No.4598849]

Any guides for drawing wolf heads? This isn't for furshit purposes, i just wanna make cool Bloodborne monsters

[Anonymous No.4598853]

>>4598840
2/10, I seen worst from /beg/. Faces are hard to draw and it will takes hours of practicing heads and faces all day.

[Anonymous No.4598857]

>>4598853
Where did I fuck up the most?

[Anonymous No.4598859]

>>4598857
Pretty much everything considering you’re still doing symbols.

[Anonymous No.4598865]

>>4598832
post the ref for all we know he actually looks like an ogre lmao
The brow and nose aren't too bad they have form

[Anonymous No.4598869]

>>4598859
How do I stop drawing symbols? Just shade where I see shadow? Will that help me draw from imagination, or just draw stock facial features?
>>4598865
I'm... not comfortable doing that
Let's just say it probably looks good enough to recognize the person ;_;

[Anonymous No.4598877]

>>4597455
I'm a /beg/ and worse than you so don't take my advice seriously, but in the skull on the left, how come we see the bottom plane of the cube but not the jaw?

[Anonymous No.4598883]

>>4597795
The first thing that jumps out to me is that you're adding details like eyes, nostrils, the belly, all before you've blocked in the major forms. You're focusing on your contour drawing (just finished reading RSOTB?) but neglecting construction. Start by drawing the large, THREE DIMENSIONAL shapes. Go large to small. Frequently compare, look for rhythm lines to guide you, constantly flip the image. Do it a few times.

[Anonymous No.4598884]

a ""pose"" (quotations bc she's just standing there with a ball tucked under her arm) pulled from memory- what are some of the most glaring faults i could fix up before i put too much time into this? i already don't like her hand; i have a hard time drawing non-awkward looking relaxed hand poses so help would be appreciated

it's ultimately just going to be some sunshiney feeling pic with a vague beach scene in the bg and some lighting+rays on top. she will also have a face

[Anonymous No.4598887]

>>4598616
Some more WIP

[Anonymous No.4598888]

>>4598884
the construction seems good

Try rendering differently. Looks like there's a single point light source in the upper right. Like a single light bulb hanging from the ceiling.

[Anonymous No.4598894]

>>4598869
not who you replied to but I think most obvious example of symbol drawing is the lips. You drew a hard outline when there probably isn't. Though to be fair they still have some form I can see how you rounded them. Also lips don't go to the corners of the mouth generally.

If you do a drawing of a reference that you can post it will probably help people critique

[Anonymous No.4598894,1]

>>4598460
Can you re-upload it again pls. I still haven't access it.

[Anonymous No.4598901]

>>4598894
Yeah, I know the lips are shit. I don't know how to draw facial features without stylizing. Anything realistic I just cannot into. Are there any good compilations of stock references? Is just using random stock images a good idea?

[Anonymous No.4598919]

trying to grind construction, and I'm realizing it's difficult for me to get a perfect circle before even building a proper head. I thought I was on level 5 but i'm on like level 0 jesus fucking christ

[Anonymous No.4598922]

>>4598919
Grind circles

[Anonymous No.4598927]

>>4598922
I did that months ago, I did all the draw a box shit in like January

[Anonymous No.4598934]

>>4598927
Anon, I....

[Anonymous No.4598936]

>>4598934
I know... apparently it didn't stick with me I just drew random shit and some loomis excersizes since then

[Anonymous No.4598947]

Finished Keys To Drawing, I'm supposed to do Fun with a Pencil right?

[Anonymous No.4598964]

>>4598936
no anon you draw a box and do line exercises and circles every time before you draw
like stretching before you work out

[Anonymous No.4598965]

>>4598947
loomis proko vilppu

[Anonymous No.4598973]

>>4598964
i'd have to go so far back..
in reality you can wing this shit provided you can just re-do lines and stuff though right like if u think about it logically.
you can make a construction-less head through trial and error

[Anonymous No.4598978]

>>4598973
hows that working for you so far

[Anonymous No.4598983]

>>4597828
This looks like something coming from Illustrator

[Anonymous No.4599010]

i need god damn artist bootcamp

[Anonymous No.4599036]

>>4598901
Yeah just go on quickposes.com or something a draw a bunch of faces. Remember that lines will convey hard value changes and you can simply omit most of the lips in many cases. The important parts are the line created between the lips, and the middle upper and middle bottom parts of the lips

[Anonymous No.4599038]

[Anonymous No.4599045]

>>4599038
Please, what did you do to reach this level?

[Anonymous No.4599048]

>>4599045
I'm really not that good.
I can just polish turds and do faces somewhat well.

[Anonymous No.4599052]

>>4599048
I think it looks good anon.

[Anonymous No.4599057]

>>4598460
>already gone
Fuck my life

[Anonymous No.4599061]

>>4599048
I like your girls

[Anonymous No.4599062]

>>4599048
Well you're not wrong.

Study proportion more and try again. They're way too long and the face is slid down the head too much.

[Anonymous No.4599063]

>>4599038
work on tapering her arms and legs. You would benefit from studying muscles.

[Anonymous No.4599066]

[Anonymous No.4599068]

>>4599038
"feet wrist" how you call it on this leg seems to thick

[Anonymous No.4599069]

>>4598887

[Anonymous No.4599082]

>>4599057
I'll upload it tomorrow if no one does, chief. It's 4am for me tho i'm tired

[Anonymous No.4599084]

>>4599066
I think because paper was horizontally in front picture become somewhat stretched along

[Anonymous No.4599087]

When do we get to draw like Deep Sea Prisoner

[Anonymous No.4599090]

>>4599036
>you can simply omit most of the lips in many cases
hold up
say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? so you be sayin that the reason my comic faces looked way better is cause they were correct?

[Anonymous No.4599093]

>>4599087
yikes

[Anonymous No.4599097]

>>4599084
nice catch

[Anonymous No.4599102]

>>4599087
nice

[Anonymous No.4599111]

>>4599062
>the face is slid down the head too much.
I make the eyes slightly lower than half the head because its more childlike. Several artists I like draw it like that. They also make hands kinda small so I do that too.
>>4599063
I tapered them a bit more is this better?
Is this better?

[Anonymous No.4599116]

What is this loomis everybody keep talking about?
After google, i only find a company trying to manage cash for me...

[Anonymous No.4599121]

>>4599116
Are you serious?
Andrew Loomis, my man.

[Anonymous No.4599124]

>>4599121
I'm completely new here.
Why do you guys spam loomis anyway?

[Anonymous No.4599125]

>>4599124
They're crabs trying to keep people from improving.

[Anonymous No.4599130]

>>4599124
Learning to draw his simplified people is a good starting point for beginners. That's literally it. Loomis teaches general proportions and forms, enough for you to have a good point to jump into the good shit from.

[Anonymous No.4599140]

>fuck up my sleep schedule
>tired all the time even if i get adequate sleep because circadian rhythm
>brain doesn't work and can't draw

[Anonymous No.4599141]

>>4599140
THAT JUST MEANS ITS WORKING.
WORK HARDER.
DRAW A CUTE GIRL RIGHT NOW.

[Anonymous No.4599143]

I'm gonna say this one is done and move on. Please give some feedback. I'm delving into new territory, mixing real models, with anime girls. I hope it doesn't look uncanny.

Reference, anime girl is the accountant from helltaker game
>>4598621

[Anonymous No.4599162]

How the fuck do I draw torsos from an angle?
I keep practising them but when push comes to shove I just suck

Help

[Anonymous No.4599199]

Anyone have good reference material and resources for drawing manga? I'm sick of unstilized drawing and I want to learn something different.

[Anonymous No.4599201]

>>4599162
It feels like your torso is mostly fine, its where you're putting your neck/collarbones that might be throwing you off.


These images from a Houtengeki book sorta helped me with that. Making an elongated diamond shape with a "neck base" really helped it click for me
https://i.imgur.com/Cg5e39H.png
https://i.imgur.com/MFrdspK.png

[Anonymous No.4599206]

>>4599199
Hopefully in a few hours someone re uploads that patreon resource pack

[Anonymous No.4599209]

>>4597439
wat should I fix

[Anonymous No.4599210]

>>4599162
Start with basic anatomy. Learn to draw skeletons inside people first.

[Anonymous No.4599212]

I carpal syndrome my circadian rhythm my brain shoulder left side

[Anonymous No.4599228]

>>4599210
>>4599210
I've been studying anatomy for ages. I'm such a failure.

[Anonymous No.4599240]

Is 1 year enough time to get out of /beg/ if you are a neet with no other responsibilities?

[Anonymous No.4599243]

>>4599240
I've been a /beg/ for two and a half years, I wish I could move up.

[Anonymous No.4599245]

>>4599243
How much do you draw per day?

[Anonymous No.4599246]

>>4599240
theoretically yes

[Anonymous No.4599248]

>>4599228
Start simple. Draw some loomis mannequins

[Anonymous No.4599249]

>>4599245
I spend all day drawing now, a year or so ago I drew on occasion.

[Anonymous No.4599250]

>>4599248
I already went through loomis, I can bodies standing up, but not in other poses that well.

[Anonymous No.4599251]

Not sure if I belong here but certainly could improve. Time this took vs final product doesnt seem worth it. Aiming for Logan Cure/Krystopher Decker in the future. Wouldn't mind some advice.

[Anonymous No.4599254]

>>4599251
naked kind of interesting, wet kind of bad, armored foggy blurry

[Anonymous No.4599258]

I get it but i don't get it. Anyone else got this problem?

[Anonymous No.4599259]

>>4599251
anatomy is good your gesture lacks a bit. and your hand game is weak

[Anonymous No.4599265]

>>4599228
Try drawing mesh guidelines on every surface. Something like picrelated. It helps me a lot to interpret 3d space. And always start with basic shapes too, unless you actually feel that you don't need them anymore. Just learning human anatomy isn't enough, you need to train your brain to do 3d rendering. That's why people start with just cubes and spheres in perspective.

[Anonymous No.4599278]

how do i get gud?

[Anonymous No.4599279]

>>4599259
>anatomy is good
upper arms of different size and messed up

[Anonymous No.4599281]

>>4599279
anatomy isn't proportion.

[Anonymous No.4599284]

>>4599281
biceps and deltoid is anatomy

[Anonymous No.4599303]

>>4599281
Lmao how wrong you are

[Anonymous No.4599305]

>>4599251
I think that the lines that define the muscles are too strong, it makes it feel almost like the lines are painted on, instead of muscle separations

also the deltoid muscle's union to the biceps is wrong, pic related

eyes are a bit asymmetrical

otherwise keep it up

[Anonymous No.4599306]

>>4599284
>>4599303
>>4599305
idiots ngmi

[Anonymous No.4599311]

>>4599306
Pyw if you know better then, oh god of anatomy :) I'd love to learn from someone so knowledgeable

[Anonymous No.4599318]

>>4599311
sure i will blow you mind give me a minute

[Anonymous No.4599321]

>>4599306
are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.4599322]

>>4599306
elaborate

[Anonymous No.4599324]

>>4599321
fuck off now i wont post it>>4599318

[Anonymous No.4599326]

>>4599324
Ahahaha ngmi larper confirmed

[Anonymous No.4599333]

>>4599326
f-fuck you i am better then you

[Anonymous No.4599334]

Haven't done gesture in a while probably not worth posting.

[Anonymous No.4599336]

I got a friend to draw me this, cute right?

[Anonymous No.4599338]

>>4599336
yes

[Anonymous No.4599340]

>>4599336
Soulless.

[Anonymous No.4599357]

>>4599334
It's a good start but you should draw through more. Like a shape for the ribcage, a shape for the upper arm, one for lower arm, etc. And then you just overlap them. I think that would help you with speed and accuracy.

[Anonymous No.4599380]

I'm never gonna git gud.
Fuck I'm depressed, I just wish I knew what to study and how to go about it.
I keep taking advice here and practising but it amounts to nothing.

[Anonymous No.4599383]

>>4599380
i could help you if you like

[Anonymous No.4599386]

>>4599383
I'm grateful for any help at all.

[Anonymous No.4599387]

>>4599380
Maybe give up doing uguu faces anime girls and study up? You’re gonna stagnate doing the same thing expecting different results while never trying to change something. Study anatomy, study gesture, jesus christ man it’s not that hard. You know what’s really hard? Sitting down and drawing.

[Anonymous No.4599392]

>>4599387
>Study anatomy, study gesture,
I already do this, I'm not a master at anatomy yet but I'm trying to learn it all. It's pretty hard

[Anonymous No.4599393]

>>4599386
Do you want exercises to grind alone or should I walk with you the steps to success?

[Anonymous No.4599396]

>>4599380
Your rib cages are always off
Try drawing her in standing side view then kneeling side view
Use Loomis method of transferring profile to front view and it will be simple at that point

[Anonymous No.4599397]

>>4599393
Whichever is fine with you I dont mind

[Anonymous No.4599403]

>>4599397
Fill a page with floating tubes and boxes come back when done and post it. Make them all based on the same plane

[Anonymous No.4599409]

>>4599403
Or you could go more adventurous and replace limbs with boxes and tubes.
But you’ll probably hate it more but its up to you.

[Anonymous No.4599417]

>>4599409
crawl before walk. i want to see first if he can draw good boxes and tubes or were he needs improvement

[Anonymous No.4599420]

>>4599380
>it amounts to nothing
thats not true. The pelvis area looks too thin from front to back (pussy to buttcheeks), but the upper body looks nice

[Anonymous No.4599427]

>>4599403
So they all have the same vanishing point? Ok I'll do that

[Anonymous No.4599431]

>>4599427
>So they all have the same vanishing point
No, not necessarily. they all have to have their own distinct VP. i mean floating tubes who doesn't look like they are based on a total different HL or plane

[Anonymous No.4599432]

>>4599380
I fucking hate you. You always asks the same questions and can't think for yourself. Do you even do studies at all?

[Anonymous No.4599437]

>>4599403
. how they based on same plane and floating,
Is this plane is screen? Attached to it with some point?

[Anonymous No.4599444]

>>4599437
If you lower your point of view the HL goes up. two boxes on the same page with different HL are not on the same plane and look wrong

[Anonymous No.4599450]

>>4599444
they attached to invisible ground plane Yes?

[Anonymous No.4599451]

>>4599403
I wasn't too sure what to do, so I tried both.
The top half are cylinders and boxes converging on a single vanishing point and the bottom half, each have their own Vanishing point.
If i did something wrong let me know.

[Anonymous No.4599452]

>>4599450
yes

[Anonymous No.4599456]

>>4597439
drew my sister getting coconut cream on her

[Anonymous No.4599466]

>>4598772
It's good

[Anonymous No.4599468]

>>4599456
post reference

[Anonymous No.4599470]

>>4599451
Ok first draw cleaner. It's good you drew the boxes with only one line and didn't chickenscratched them. But your lines must be straighter. Some seem to have a curve on them and the ends don't really close up.
Second the ones in the bottom half don't have their own HL it's excactly hat i was saying here.>>4599431
Please try again and work cleaner and try to stay on one plane

[Anonymous No.4599471]

>>4599470
Forgot to say (shitty redlining because paint and a mouse).

[Anonymous No.4599479]

>>4599082
I belive in you anon.

[Anonymous No.4599480]

>>4599125
ngmi, 2 weeks of hard loomis is all i needed to get somewhat good

[Anonymous No.4599482]

>>4599470
Okay is this better?

[Anonymous No.4599483]

Hi, i'm pointed to here by others.
I'm trying to learn shading.

Honestly, i don't know what to asks because it's probably shit compared to what you guys have.

my original question was
"Does this look weird compared to the original one?
Does it improved the drawing or ruined it?
Is 1 (left) nicer, or 2 (right) nicer?"

[Anonymous No.4599485]

>>4599480
Pyw

[Anonymous No.4599486]

>>4599483
1 looks nicer to me

[Anonymous No.4599487]

>>4597579
Try putting your drawn image over what you’re attempting to study to see flaws. Trace over the image to see shapes. Then attempt to redraw it.

[Anonymous No.4599488]

>>4599482
>>4599470
slight fixes

[Anonymous No.4599491]

>>4599483
I think 2 make more sense. But you do not know what you are doing. Need to play with spheres and cubes

[Anonymous No.4599494]

Can I use /beg/ for DrawABox stuff? The reddit critique board I'm supposed to submit to seems dead, especially for beginner stuff.

Is there any worthwhile criticism I can get for these bad lines? I'm a complete beginner and working digitally on a cheap, non display tablet (which I still feel like I'm not used to). I was using my shoulder, and trying to put myself in a confident mentality, but as of right now, it feels like my hand drifts a bit downward, especially as I'm trying to draw straight lines.

Also I'm not using paper like the lessons say to because I am 100% set on digital.

[Anonymous No.4599495]

>>4599336
Did a quick edit

[Anonymous No.4599496]

>>4599488
It's slightly better. But really try to work cleaner. It's best you draw two dots and try to connect them with a straight line as clean as possible.

[Anonymous No.4599500]

>>4599485

[Anonymous No.4599503]

>>4599082
Do it. You won't. No balls.

[Anonymous No.4599504]

>>4599496
It was hard cause I didn't know if I was allowed to use the straight line tool or not, so do I do this exercise everyday or something?
How does it help with figure drawing or drawing people?

[Anonymous No.4599511]

>>4599494
My hand drifts sort of diagonally on digital. Its annoying. My hope is I'll just get over it by drawing more. Never had the issue on paper.

[Anonymous No.4599513]

what brush can do this kind of art in SAI? how many loomis heads and figure sketches do i need to grind before i can draw like this

[Anonymous No.4599518]

>>4599513
doesn't drawabox say grinding is bad?

[Anonymous No.4599522]

>>4599513
round brush.
until you know how to rotate them.

[Anonymous No.4599531]

>>4599494
Had you read the requirement properly?
he did mentioned about the mistake you made here.
I remember it's something like "You didn't bothered to start the line at the same point every time. making the line wobbly even from the starting point.

[Anonymous No.4599534]

More gestures, trying to be a bit more loose and capturing the whole posture. Trying to analyse instead of copy, more quick glances and working more from memory.

[Anonymous No.4599537]

>>4599511

Could it be your monitor is out of square with your tablet

[Anonymous No.4599538]

>>4599537
Maybe, dunno how to tell

[Anonymous No.4599549]

>>4599538
from your viewing angle look at the bottom edge of the monitor and the top edge of your tablet
they should be perfectly parallel or your hand and eyes will be sending fucked up messages to each other

[Anonymous No.4599552]

>>4599531
>I remember it's something like "You didn't bothered to start the line at the same point every time
I tried to but it's still kind of hard on a non-display graphics tablet. If I try to be more precise it gets a bit more wobbly at the start.
I'll keep practicing though.

[Anonymous No.4599564]

>>4599511
You'll hand will get used to it with time. Don't worry.

>>4599549
Nah, don't bother with this unless that position is actually comfortable. With practice your hand will auto adjust to the rotation of the tablet.
My tablet is not held still so it tends to sometimes slightly shift as I draw. I naturally don't notice until my hand starts to feel uncomfortable because the tablet is rotated by 45 degrees or something like that.

[Anonymous No.4599566]

god i hate loomis
>use your eye to judge the rotation of the ball
he does this shit in drawing for fun AND how to draw heads. how the fuck do i know how to eye this, he didn't explain shit, he literally says ''just do it lol''.

[Anonymous No.4599580]

>>4599504
sorry had to go for a minute. Don't use any tools to draw straight lines do it free hand. It help that you get more confident with your strokes. When you want to draw an arm for example you have a clear image in mind. Now you have to set the lines on paper and it helps when your lines are as clear and straight as your idea in mind. Second drawing accuratly should always be your goal.

[Anonymous No.4599583]

>>4599566
if you can't eyeball something you wont make it anon, he already is using simple shapes for you. if you were to breakdown an animal face you would need to eyeball and complete missing information that is hidden behind something.
did you skip draw with the right side of the brain? they go over eyeballing non stop

[Anonymous No.4599585]

>>4599583
Skip, no. I didn't know there was a specific order for this since 90% of the time people just reply with 'loomis'.

[Anonymous No.4599589]

Did you guys seriously memorise all this?
It looks near impossible since it turns and stuff.

[Anonymous No.4599597]

>>4599552
I'm using a non-display graphics tablet and it doesn't have the issue you mentioned though.
The whole practice is for you to pay attention to where your line starts and where it ends.
Seems like you are able to do so on the 2 lines on top right though?

Pic is my attempt on my own non-display tablet.
I think you can take your time because It's all about the muscle memories.
Just keep practicing, but don't overdo it.
Just take this as a warmup exercise before you draw everyday.
Don't sweat it.

[Anonymous No.4599598]

>>4599589
Yes. It's not hard. All the flexors look like a single muscle irl so you can group them together and ignore them individually.

[Anonymous No.4599602]

>>4599589
simplify is your best friend for drawing. reference is ur gf.

[Anonymous No.4599614]

>>4599589
For me legs is harder then arms.

[Anonymous No.4599615]

>>4599589
you dont need to know the names and you dont have to learn it all at once
just need to know the shapes and how they tie into each other
it's not much different than cylinders and cones

[Anonymous No.4599644]

new
>>4599641
>>4599641
>>4599641

[Anonymous No.4599670]

>>4598983
I'm not entirely sure what this means.

[Anonymous No.4599727]

>>4599143
/beg/ but I think you just messed up the shading which makes it look flat especially the eyes which don't have a highlight either. You also need to push shadows harder to emphasize the planes of the face to make it look more defined.

[Anonymous No.4599805]

>>4599124
>i'm completely new here, why do you do x
God I hate you fucking underage facebook retards
Read the sticky.
Lurk and find out.
You insufferable faggots should be banned on sight

[Anonymous No.4600899]

>>4597455
Looks soulful

[Anonymous No.4601301]

>>4601283
>Buy one of those Japanese pose books
>Draw on one of the poses
>???
>Profit