/beg/ - Beginner thread - >mfw /beg/ autosages

[Anonymous No.4593131]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the /draw/thread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make YOURSELF feel proud.

previous >>4587085

READ THE STICKY if you're new or need guidance.

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

[Anonymous No.4593135]

I want to draw like the anime.

[Anonymous No.4593137]

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

[Anonymous No.4593157]

help

[Anonymous No.4593162]

>>4593157
not sure legs work like that but human surprise me.
seems solid to me. pot is bad

[Anonymous No.4593176]

>>4593157
composition is horrid m8. feet gets cut off and the half leg is pointing out of frame. trash can doesn't fit between subject and wall
build ur setting first mang

[Anonymous No.4593180]

>>4593157
Pussy line should continue from center stomach, u less she is twisting her pelvis, which would need to be shown from her stomach
Left leg is in an extreme position that she couldn't get without pulling it back with her hand
Foot on the same leg would be on its side edge with the sole facing the observer

[Anonymous No.4593194]

>>4592801
Anon I just gotta say I love the perspective and pose you chose, I'm really digging it so far.

[Anonymous No.4593199]

You guys can help enlighten me on something, I think I'm confusing myself on how rotating boxes work, and I want to attempt that draw a box cube circle and eventually getting to the organic perspective.
I can understand their basics but I feel like I'm fucking myself up once I start moving it to the side. Maybe I need to read over.

[Anonymous No.4593207]

>>4593157
Ohhhhhhhhhhh god.
Im gonna... IM GONNA .... REDLINE!!!

[Anonymous No.4593222]

>>4593199
Those vanishing points are too close together, it's warping the box

[Anonymous No.4593231]

>>4593199
Just eyeball it until you do it right.

[Anonymous No.4593232]

Am I symbol drawing? And how do I draw the creases on the face without making her look old?

[Anonymous No.4593235]

>>4593231
how some one can eyeball until it right If they do not know what is right

[Anonymous No.4593239]

>>4593232
> how do I draw the creases on the face without making her look old?
just by not doing it .

[Anonymous No.4593241]

so I've a tablet with 8 buttons and a scroll wheel
what do you recommend the keybinds be for photoshop?

[Anonymous No.4593243]

I need to start drawing anime girls so my drawings get red lined

[Anonymous No.4593255]

https://i.4cdn.org/ic/1590032229934.jpg

[Anonymous No.4593264]

>>4593241
Xpen pro? I was using them for 1 Day and get back to keyboard.

[Anonymous No.4593273]

>>4593264
Why's that? Needed more than 8 binds, and the 2 on the pen?

[Anonymous No.4593287]

>>4593239
fair enough. I think I remember Loomis saying the lines from smiling were important but I guess the only way to get the value to not look too dramatic is to paint it

[Anonymous No.4593292]

needed to lean forward

[Anonymous No.4593301]

>>4593287

[Anonymous No.4593348]

>>4593292
~instead of this draw something like that
(I myself barely can desu)

[Anonymous No.4593354]

I AIN'T /beg/!!!

[Anonymous No.4593358]

>>4593273
Muscle memory and its more comfortable for me.

[Anonymous No.4593361]

Just busted out the lined paper, what u guys think?

[Anonymous No.4593367]

ok I'll bait and hope I'm not being baited. I'm a mediocre anime drawfag and hate toons but I'm honestly surprised how easy it was to pickup his initial ugly head technique. I'm just skimming and drawing along, is this the proper way?

[Anonymous No.4593368]

>>4593367
> I'll bite and hope I'm not being memed.
I typefarted or something

[Anonymous No.4593397]

Are these better (describing action and showing direction of forms with Vilppu's method)?

[Anonymous No.4593425]

Currently grinding fundies and following along with an online class. How am I doing so far? Anything I should focus on?

[Anonymous No.4593426]

[Anonymous No.4593437]

>>4593397
I think you get 1 kind of backward, Out of three 2 kind of more true but pose itself not as minduck as the rest.
3 you somewhat botched

Not like I understand this shit much, but no Arnold around

[Anonymous No.4593439]

>>4593426
This is pretty cute, fantastic work.

[Anonymous No.4593440]

>>4593425
Learn basic forms i.e cubes, spheres, cylinders

[Anonymous No.4593441]

>>4593426
Eyes are way too big. If you're going for eerie you really nailed it.

[Anonymous No.4593442]

>>4593441
that was an accident, lol

[Anonymous No.4593447]

>>4593425
Kek

[Anonymous No.4593456]

>>4593426

[Anonymous No.4593464]

>>4593456
>>4593426
Is this yours?

>>4593425
I'm also a /beg/, but I can see a lot wrong there. Pay more attention to the reference, since you're not drawing what's there. You drew her torso pointing right at the viewer with big ol' tiddies, her head isn't facing the right way, etc.

[Anonymous No.4593467]

>>4593440
What do you mean? Like do I need perspective? I'm trying to do construction without looking too closely at the reference right now, so I kinda accepted it wouldn't look the same. Mainly trying to train proportions.

[Anonymous No.4593473]

>>4593464
both are mine

[Anonymous No.4593477]

Colored this in from last thread

[Anonymous No.4593481]

Anyone know how to duplicate screens with the cintiq?
I want to be able to see what i'm doing on my larger monitor but whenever I chose duplicate to second screen in my display settings it fucks everything up.

The pen mirrors weird and is only responsive to my large monitor and not my f*Gging tablet

[Anonymous No.4593483]

>>4593473
Why are you posting in /beg/? Legit asking, because while your stuff looks great to my untrained eye, there could be problems that are evident to someone experienced? Are you flexing?

[Anonymous No.4593490]

>>4593477
Very cute coloring, you have potential. The neck and shoulder area look very symbolic tho, practice that.

[Anonymous No.4593495]

>>4593483
The /int/cels are flexing on us /beg/ fag. I hope all of them develop carpel tunnel.

[Anonymous No.4593498]

>>4593483
>>4593495
>being this insecure because somebody is a better artist than you
ngmi

[Anonymous No.4593510]

>>4593477
form is somewhat basic(I not mean bad) but color and how you did it Is very nice

[Anonymous No.4593515]

how bad is it?

[Anonymous No.4593516]

>>4593515
32

[Anonymous No.4593518]

>>4593516
that sounds pretty bad anon

[Anonymous No.4593532]

I think I mustve had a stroke in my sleep because I literally can't draw the most basic shit for the last 2 days

[Anonymous No.4593536]

>>4593532
what 'basic shit' are you trying to draw anon

[Anonymous No.4593545]

>>4593536
just the regular /beg/ ngmi stuff. anime characters in 3/4 pose

[Anonymous No.4593548]

>>4593545
start basic-er if you're just trying to ease into it.

[Anonymous No.4593549]

>>4593510
How do I make forms look not basic?
The only way I know is to draw muscles but I cant do that for non athletic builds.

[Anonymous No.4593555]

>>4593548
I-I've been drawing for over 6 months...

[Anonymous No.4593558]

>>4593549
i have negative art skills but even non-athletic people have muscles

[Anonymous No.4593563]

Is he right?

[Anonymous No.4593581]

>>4593555
its ok anon you'll get it eventually. As I said just start with something basic and easy to draw to build your confidence

[Anonymous No.4593590]

>>4593437
How about these?

[Anonymous No.4593600]

>>4593563
a fast line is smooth but hard to control for deliberated dynamics. a steady hand takes tons of practice but will get you farther.

[Anonymous No.4593613]

>>4593600
So Mr DrawABox is wrong?

[Anonymous No.4593623]

>>4593555
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.4593628]

>>4593623
Please Dont bully me

[Anonymous No.4593637]

>>4593515
Inspired by Saint Seiya?

[Anonymous No.4593658]

How long do I need to do Peter Han lines before I can actually free hand that shit?

[Anonymous No.4593661]

>>4593658
Couple weeks

[Anonymous No.4593708]

>>4593426
>>4593456
would be satisfied if I could draw like this / 10

[Anonymous No.4593720]

>>4593477
The hands say yeah! But her face says, meh..
I'd work on matching facial expression to gesture

[Anonymous No.4593722]

>>4593456
Your values are really blown out. You should be thinking more about the value relationships throughout the whole picture and not focusing so much on all the little details.

General to specific. Hammer that into your head.

[Anonymous No.4593746]

where did i go wrong?

[Anonymous No.4593772]

>>4593746
post ref pls

[Anonymous No.4593776]

upside down exercise

[Anonymous No.4593779]

pls ignore the gohan in the background

[Anonymous No.4593780]

>>4593746
Why is the face shrunken down into the bottom 1/3 of the face? Looks like the little bits guy. Go over face proportions again please.

[Anonymous No.4593782]

>>4593772
Here it is lad >>4593287

[Anonymous No.4593783]

>>4593779
My favorite characters, Garbanzo and GoGettum!

[Anonymous No.4593787]

>>4593746
A little bit goes a long way.
By drawing such strong smile lines and lip outlines, you're emphasizing them a lot more than you want to.

[Anonymous No.4593799]

>>4593780
Shrunken down? I can't see it. I feel like it would have look bad with a longer face. Are you a fellow /beg/?
>>4593787
Weird because some other Anon on a previous thread told me the exact opposite of highlighting these features, I just cant leave out something out of the reference I used, or should I?

[Anonymous No.4593803]

>>4593746
2b more like 2old

[Anonymous No.4593825]

Is it fair practice to do Drawabox on digital? I have no intention of ever working with paper.

[Anonymous No.4593829]

>>4593746
You try to draw animu character in western art style.

[Anonymous No.4593832]

>>4593779
It's not that hard to copy the art style though.

[Anonymous No.4593834]

>>4593799
Nope, not a beg. I come here to help you fools for some reason.

If you break the head up into 1/3rds, then sitting in the middle 1/3 should be the ears which are lined up with the eye line. This part also contains the eyebrows down to the base of the nose. In the bottom 1/3, you just have mouth and chin.

Based on the area you gave from the cranium down to the chin here, your entire face is sitting down in that bottom 1/3 zone. It looks really weird man. Just go study some skulls or head proportions, Loomis or Bridgman or Riley method who cares which one you pick. But go study that shit. You squished the face down into a tiny portion of the head and it looks fucking hilarious.

[Anonymous No.4593842]

>>4593746
>>4593782
Why didn't you use a ref of the original CGI model?

[Anonymous No.4593844]

>>4593834
I don't know I think you are just confused by the volume of the hair I really cannot see what you're saying being valid especially if the reference is right there and the jaw is already pretty strong. Please post tou work so we all can have a laugh Anon although I appreciate the critique

[Anonymous No.4593848]

>>4593842
I thought that Kim Yo-Jong as 2b would look cute!

[Anonymous No.4593850]

>>4593844
Bro where the hell do you think hair sits on the head

[Anonymous No.4593854]

>>4593850
Your argument is about hair volume not a shrunken jaw, friend. Just look at the reference

[Anonymous No.4593864]

>>4593137
So from what I can gather from lurking, the most important books are drawing from right side and anatomy for sculptors?
Even thought that pic says to draw from no side of the brain lol

[Anonymous No.4593871]

How to deal with a lack of any imagination at all? I'm supposed be drawing toon faces for loomis and I'm just drawing blanks, figuratively.
I'm autistic so maybe that has something to do with it but the moment it goes beyond basically thinking of everything in terms of what is perpendicular to what, how many X in Y, etc, I just get lost.

[Anonymous No.4593884]

hmm

[Anonymous No.4593890]

>>4593426
>>4593456
Yeah yeah we get it you can draw, now get out of /beg/

[Anonymous No.4593895]

>>4593890
Man, I really hate /int/cels posting in our thread.

[Anonymous No.4593898]

>>4593895
Don't give them the praise they're coming here for, just reply "not /beg/" and let them seethe.

[Anonymous No.4593900]

>>4593848
I see, Anon the you did here is that you put on those details that emphasize the realism and those that contribute to age like the wrinkles beside the mouth.

This is why one must be careful when doing only linearts. Lines are there to symbolize "hard edges" meaning an area where two strongly different values cross. In real life people do not have lines around them of course but we use lines to substitute these. This could be the dark hair vs. the brown background, the dark hair vs. the light skin, the skin vs. the white cloth dark eyelashes vs. the skin etc. That is one things

But the second thing is that blackness can also be identifies as shadows, again obviously because shadows are dark/black ad that can mix things up.

Things become even harder when you are trying to put in details that soft edges like the difference between two lips or shading on the face, this is where the lineart get tough. Because these tiny detail must contrast the entire rest of the picture and if you pull a line beside the mouth that will appear to be just as for example strong mouth itself, giving of the impression that this is a deep and thick wrinkle when it is not. So the two options that you either just leave the fine details off completely or make other stronger details stronger, give them thicker lines or use crosshatching. Or else the subtle details will jump out and become to the forefront where they should not be and you get a different picture.

Not every detail is important, you must look at the full picture and only strengthen those details that matter most.

[Anonymous No.4593902]

>>4593890
/beg/ isn't restricted to people like you that never draw and suck ass at it because of it, you know.

[Anonymous No.4593909]

>>4593590
looks good Anon now try to gradually reduce the number of lines you use so you could create the form with less.

[Anonymous No.4593910]

>>4593909
how many lines is right
'cause i was looking at his and thinking i do too few lol

[Anonymous No.4593916]

>>4593902
Yeah there's also intrannies who are too afraid to be judged by people on their skill level so they flex on begs to feel better about themselves

[Anonymous No.4593917]

>>4593241
you dont, keyboard is faster and easier to remember shortcuts

[Anonymous No.4593924]

>>4593916
>Projecting this much
Ouch no wonder daddy left for cigarettes and never came back. You're an insecure cuck.

[Anonymous No.4593926]

>>4593367
yes it is, you can start applying the usual anime face after you go through realistic face structure

[Anonymous No.4593927]

/asg told me to post here. Even though I was asking about how to make my work look more anime. What's that thread for, then?

[Anonymous No.4593928]

>>4593515
eyes too high

[Anonymous No.4593930]

>>4593131
2B
GRANDMA

[Anonymous No.4593932]

>>4593927
Go back to /asg/ and bug them for an answer, they were fucking with you. Beg thread is the blind leading the blind, we are incapable of helping you.

[Anonymous No.4593934]

>4593924
Oh it's you again with your projections, did your daddy issues resulted in your lack of confidence that props you to hang around /beg/ to feel superior to others?

[Anonymous No.4593941]

>>4593746
do more loomis

[Anonymous No.4593944]

>>4593910
>how many lines is right
For this the answer is always "it depends" you have to be able to judge if the detail in question is needed or not, that is where skill enters the picture.

What do you want to show? Are you going for minim details or maximum details? Do you use thicker and thinner lines? Do you use crosshatching? The main thing is that the picture need to be uniform and "looks good", I know this sounds retarded but can't explain it any other way, this is where your skill matters.

[Anonymous No.4593946]

>>4593944
i mean for practicing specifically
for just doing simple gesture drawings that end at being gesture drawings

[Anonymous No.4593954]

>>4593884
Can u animate hairs too?

[Anonymous No.4593964]

How important is reading what Loomis says v just trying to copy what he does? Both options just leave me confused since in both cases he'll say or show how to do a thing exactly 1 time from 1-4 at most angles, then never mention it again, but the latter seems less confusing since if I combine it with villpu (who scales off ears and centers eyes instead) it kind of makes sense. I prefer villpu but everyone says use this guy
The 'important info' thing says to ignore artists rambling, but how much of this is rambling, and how much matters?

[Anonymous No.4593973]

>>4593964
>I prefer villpu but everyone says use this guy
Look whatever work for you. Point is not Looms specifically but to learn.

[Anonymous No.4593976]

>>4593964
reading and drawing are both important, one to understand and the other to apply it

[Anonymous No.4593988]

Has anyone tried the NMA Beginner's Guide to Drawing that's free atm? I've no idea if it's a good place to start, or even any good at all

[Anonymous No.4593999]

I'm not gonna read loomis, what you gonna do about it homie

[Anonymous No.4594003]

>>4593999
Wish you luck

[Anonymous No.4594004]

>>4594003
nigga fuck this shit, pass my anime loomis instead.

[Anonymous No.4594006]

>>4593999
ooOooOooOHh, your loss

[Anonymous No.4594007]

>>4593973
Always assumed loomis must just be better than everyone else because of how much he's spammed here. Or maybe he just makes more sense ot most people, which is weird, since the basis of his method is to link up multiple invisible points you find by imagining an invisible skewer going through the skull to find parts of the head you can't see from most angles, while the ear can literally always be seen and solidly locates every single feature for you.

>>4593976
Then I hope as I get further he rambles less about what he thinks of other artists since I really don't care

[Anonymous No.4594008]

>>4594004
Becareful what you wish for

[Anonymous No.4594009]

>>4594008
Damn if that's anime loomis then the wester loomis must be complete fucking garbage.

[Anonymous No.4594010]

Just spent the last hour polishing a turd. FML

[Anonymous No.4594013]

>>4594010
I consider turd polishing underrated.
It is meditative practice

[Anonymous No.4594015]

>>4594010
With that way of thinking, you'll spend your whole life polishing turds.

[Anonymous No.4594022]

>>4594009
it is, but that garbage is still better than what you are now, what that makes you?

[Anonymous No.4594038]

>>4593426
This is really cute. How did you do the shading for the nose that light like that if you dont mi d me asking?
Did you use a different pencil?

[Anonymous No.4594041]

>>4594022
A beginner?

[Anonymous No.4594045]

>>4594041
yes, that's y we are here

[Anonymous No.4594053]

>>4593426
>>4593456
Crab fishing :)

[Anonymous No.4594055]

This is what happens when I try to stylize. Kek. Ahh well, maybe some other day.

[Anonymous No.4594058]

>>4593426
>>4593456
y no out of comfort zone drawinf, stay in beg forever noob

[Anonymous No.4594064]

drawing is so hard.

[Anonymous No.4594069]

>>4594055
Your lack of confidence is visible in your drawings

[Anonymous No.4594085]

>>4593825
go for it, its mostly teaching you a couple fundies anyway, so if you already understand how to draw digital this will only help

[Anonymous No.4594098]

>>4591080
You got any more example of this that maybe do more than show like 3 pics and go ''its ribbons guys''
I like drawing hair more than anything else, I'm open to new ways to do that

[Anonymous No.4594105]

>>4594055
What do you mean no expression. How can a character have no expression unles you don't draw a face? She has an expression of boredom but also anger.
Also bit confused on how your horns shadows are facing each other like that. The light appears to be coming vaguely from where she's facing but the left hors shadow is going the wrong way

[Anonymous No.4594119]

why do I succ

[Anonymous No.4594123]

>>4594119
because no loomis

[Anonymous No.4594124]

>>4594123
but I like vilppu more.

[Anonymous No.4594128]

>>4594124
because no vilppu

[Anonymous No.4594131]

>>4594119
Oh. I draw this woman like yesterday,

[Anonymous No.4594134]

>>4594131
could you post your sketch?

[Anonymous No.4594135]

>>4594010

There is nothing wrong with both moving onto a new sketch as well as polishing a turd. The skill lies in knowing when to do each. If you never work on a problem, you will never get better. If you never move onto something new, you will never learn to move on.

[Anonymous No.4594136]

>>4594128
guess I go back to square one with vilppu.

[Anonymous No.4594141]

>>4594123
>>4594124
>>4594128
Newfag to ic, is loomis actually the best method, the one most people find easiest, bad and a meme, or good and a meme? Or do most people just use loomis because everyone says to use loomis without even trying much else, making it a literal meme?

[Anonymous No.4594143]

What books should I start with? Should Loomis be my first, or is another book more important for fundies?

>>4594119
anon I'm sorry but you're literally just not drawing what's in front of you. Is her head at that angle in the reference? Does her leg go that high in the reference? is that where her legs meet, or where her hand was in it?

[Anonymous No.4594144]

>>4594141
I figured it was just a meme and just went from perspective to vilppu.

[Anonymous No.4594156]

>>4594134
Why?
Well, I put considerably more effort in to it

[Anonymous No.4594157]

Does vilpu have a book?
How do I learn viplu's drawing method?

[Anonymous No.4594159]

>>4594141
its one of the easiest way to learn to draw, if you follow the book page by page, drawing everything he says to draw and understanding everything it will take you around 20-30 hours for you to be able to draw faces on any angle and style without much trouble, specially with references, compared to someone who goes blindly or with reference and keep erasing and redrawing until they get the face right by luck.
a few more days and you'll be able to draw the entire body.

it works best if you have basic understanding of perspective and 3d shapes on a paper and how to rotate those shapes.

after you're done with the book, you can either dive deep on figure drawing, gesture, perspective, composition, value/shading, coloring, design, etc

[Anonymous No.4594160]

>>4594157
/v/ drawthread has a mega, download his vids.

>>4594159
same goes for vilppu

[Anonymous No.4594163]

>>4594064
Everything worth doing in life is hard. Learn to embrace the struggling and suffering.

[Anonymous No.4594174]

>>4594156
thank's I like being reminded I'm trash. It's kinda healthy.

[Anonymous No.4594176]

>>4594174
>I like being reminded I'm trash
First rule of going to the gym, or doing anything in life that takes a long time to see progress: never compare your day 30 to someone elses day 1000

[Anonymous No.4594185]

Maybe my first head drawing idk. What specifically should i be copying? Just pictures of people?

[Anonymous No.4594190]

>>4594176
Well I have big ass ego my dude, some times I do need to be put down in my place, I know I suck but if I don't post my shit and allow people to call me a shitter then I will believe that's the best I can do and I will develop some dunning kruger syndrome.

If I trust you guys on something is to tell me I'm trash, the day someone tells me that my drawing is kinda cool is the day I will stop trusting you guys for advice.

[Anonymous No.4594199]

>>4594190
Ego is however you define yourself and sticking to it
If you define yourself as trash and are egotistical, you will sabotage yourself to remain trash to prove yourself right

[Anonymous No.4594202]

>>4594174
oh it's like forth iteration of sketch , in several takes during day, liquidity shit around and whats not.
I do not really draw that well.

[Anonymous No.4594216]

>>4594143
True, how the fuck do you guys always get the details just right? sometimes I go for a line and then I just can't connect it right like the reference.

>>4594202
yeah but that one is really cool anon, keep it up.

[Anonymous No.4594218]

Help.

[Anonymous No.4594221]

>>4594010
practicing only form is soul killing
sometimes its nice to render something even though it isnt good

[Anonymous No.4594224]

>>4594216
Wish I had a magic answer for you, I just correct my lines until they look close enough to the reference that I can't tell. Observe where things are in relation to other things in the image, etc.

[Anonymous No.4594225]

>>4594216
>>4594202
book tells you step by step

[Anonymous No.4594234]

>>4594190
Only the most mentally ill subhumans bully people who are beginners, who are earngestly trying to improve, at a skill. Imagine what kind of a loser you have to be to make fun of a fat guy sweating all over the place in the gym or a novice at art who draws goofy looking people

[Anonymous No.4594238]

How do I learn? How do I get better? How do I practice? Drawing on the right side of the brain, the drawing course I took at an art school and my sister who can draw are no help at all. I don't care if I have to redraw every frame of Fantasia to learn, just please tell how.

[Anonymous No.4594240]

>>4594238
what makes you want to draw
focus on that

[Anonymous No.4594250]

>>4594238
Tfw been drawing for a while that I forgot how I learned to draw.
In truth I just copied some anime art and branched from that to the fundamental side.

[Anonymous No.4594255]

>>4594234
I kinda laughed at that fat guy that was eating pizza at my planet fitness, ngl.

[Anonymous No.4594256]

WIP of a redesign.

[Anonymous No.4594259]

>>4594255
Privately laughing at something is not the same as deliberately attempting to humiliating someone

[Anonymous No.4594262]

>>4594225
his eyes seems kind of wacky. If we use this skull where far eye must be?

>book tells you step by step
it does but it kind of not.

[Anonymous No.4594268]

>>4594262
one eye far out of each other

[Anonymous No.4594269]

>>4594250
>drawing nothing but anime people in 3/4 pose
>try drawing literally anything else
>totally fall apart
am i an artist or just a trained monkey who taught themselves to draw a single thing, the mind wonders

[Anonymous No.4594273]

>>4594240
I want to do character art of the characters I have in my head.
>>4594250
>Tfw been drawing for a while that I forgot how I learned to draw.
It feels like that's the case with everyone I've spoken to. They just say they have no idea how they did it. I can't even ask how to recognize what is bad practice and what is good.

[Anonymous No.4594275]

>>4594256
>that drappery
>left hand

jinkies

[Anonymous No.4594280]

>>4594275

Oh goddammit, now that you've mentioned it, I can't unsee it. The angle for the arm and the hand doesn't make sense with the cloth of the robe.

[Anonymous No.4594281]

>>4594269
Congrats on finding out you suck at everything else, now gradually study everything that you want to get good at till you’re in that skill level that you’re satisfied. If I suck at drawing cars I just draw cars over and over again and if that isn’t working study how cars are shaped (using things like Scott’s book and simplifying the car into primitive forms) and design to get a flow and understanding, then repeat ad infinitum.

[Anonymous No.4594287]

>>4594221
My problem is I've done the boxes, pose site daily, etc, then I think ''okay, I will draw something fun!'' and... promptly give up and go back to practicing poses and such because I have 0 ideas
It occured to me recently I hadn't once drawn for any purpose beyond learning in my life, ie basic sketches and stuff, and I really don't know how.
Other people come out with all sorts of cool character designs, male and female, monsters, whatever. I got nothing. My mind is blank.
Worse still, I'm not even good.

[Anonymous No.4594291]

>>4594280
maybe she is scratching her but with her dislocated arm.

[Anonymous No.4594313]

>>4594287
what helps me is to have a story I want to tell
like this girl is going to the beach, why? oh she is meeting a friend, who? what are they going to do? have lunch. etc etc
the story gives you all these little details to ad and challenges you on how you should communicate them

[Anonymous No.4594316]

>>4594250
>>Tfw been drawing for a while that I forgot how I learned to draw.
I know a guy who's like 50 and has been doing street art since around 30, who is magnitudes better than anyone I've seen on /ic/ ever, and he doesn't know how he learnt a fucking thing. He was in art college but dropped out then just ????. He learnt digital art despite his age, but he doesn't remember how.
A shame, since I was gonna steal his techniques

[Anonymous No.4594318]

>>4594287
the thing is... that you are way worse than you think you are, thats why when you tackle anything that isn't something you are familiar with it, ends up looking like shit.

[Anonymous No.4594319]

Why am I so afraid of going the loomis way

[Anonymous No.4594320]

>>4594280
Somebody is going or have to redline this for me. It doesn’t seem that bad?!

[Anonymous No.4594322]

>>4594313
Actually not a bad idea, I'll try that, thanks. I'm legitimately autistic so I have a very hard time thinking in abstracts. Doing anything without a clear structure and purpose is hard.

>>4594318
No, I have 0 delusions of being at all good.

[Anonymous No.4594329]

>>4594287
>My mind is blank.
not really. You just kind of suppress/discard things

>Other people come out with all sorts of cool character designs
some do.
But when something looks unusual most likely they just copy stuff you not familiar with,

[Anonymous No.4594333]

>>4594185
if that's what you want to draw

[Anonymous No.4594336]

>>4594319
just DO IT!!!

[Anonymous No.4594347]

>>4594185
same energy of that one music video where vegeta goes out for a night on the town and beats his wife only for her to beat him back

[Anonymous No.4594357]

I'm trying out a new style, is there anything I should keep in mind for the next one? (I found the nose hard to do and coloring hard) I stayed in reds and the overall value is kinda dark but I was to scared to go lighter bc when I did it seemed off. Is there a right way of adding lighter values?

[Anonymous No.4594381]

>>4594216
construction

[Anonymous No.4594385]

>>4594381
not that mine is any better

[Anonymous No.4594403]

>>4594256

[Anonymous No.4594409]

>>4594385

[Anonymous No.4594419]

>>4594357
you already have the light source in her eyes
just imagine with color it is, and how it is hitting her hair

[Anonymous No.4594421]

>>4594409
>>4594385
>>4594381
damn guess I should really get into learning construction and the fundamentals, I thought I could "just draw" everyday and git gud.

[Anonymous No.4594424]

>>4594421
You should learn fundamentals to learn to just” draw”, yes it’s sounds stupid but it’ll help you in the long run.

[Anonymous No.4594432]

>>4594424
nono I understand, If I keep my routine of just drawing from references I will keep developing the small shit habits that makes my sketches look crappy, but I think if I correct those fundamentals, I can just keep drawing like I always do but actually develop my eye and hands more without developing those nasty habits.

[Anonymous No.4594433]

>>4594403
>>4594320
>>4594275
>>4594280

Moved arm back and changed robe to look more like it's coming at the camera, instead of the arm suddenly just jutting forward.

[Anonymous No.4594436]

>>4594421

Once you learn the fundamentals, at that point you can "just draw." It's technically possible to get to a master level without going at the fundamentals, but that's like trying to win the lottery by randomly doing things all over the place.

Having a foundation via fundamentals can only help anon.

[Anonymous No.4594438]

>>4594421
>>4594432

Even the absolute basics such as constructing a head, this loomis skeleton, proportions, all help you. Just look at a few online video tutorials on construction. I don't know how liked he is, but I enjoyed Draw With Jazza's Construction videos.

[Anonymous No.4594442]

>>4594433
pretty good, i don like the drapery but i can't redline it any better, so...

[Anonymous No.4594445]

>>4594438
Cool, most of my undecidedness was due to me hating learning from books. So I check out that dude you recommended.

[Anonymous No.4594451]

>>4594442

Yeah, frankly I'm not a fan of my own drawn drapery here either. I've looked at other drawings with flowing clothes, and even put a bathrobe on myself to see how things should look, but I just can't seem to get it down right. Feel like I've hit a brick wall on this.

Thanks for the compliment for the rest though, anon, it's good to hear.

[Anonymous No.4594454]

>>4594357
do you ever mess around with values in photoshop or you wanna go pure brush

[Anonymous No.4594457]

>>4594262
one eye between the eyes, one eye to the side of each eyes to reach the side
and then if you move the head at all this is no longer true

>>4594381
i keep meaning to do this 'construction in red' thing but never remember. its just plainly superior to my habit of always using black, which i got from drawing in pencils
one day

[Anonymous No.4594462]

>>4594445
Like I said, I don't know his legitimacy compared to the more famous artists and their tutorials, but being that I also hated learning from books, I figured I'd at least try to learn it somehow.

[Anonymous No.4594479]

>>4594159
>take you around 20-30 hours for you
this just encouraged me to give it a shot, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4594484]

am I doing right?

[Anonymous No.4594493]

>>4594381
you didn't follow your own construction that's why you gave her the alien head.

[Anonymous No.4594499]

>>4594493
too much anime drawing, hair volume is too over the top there

[Anonymous No.4594507]

what's a good free drawing software? i've been using autodesk sketchbook but i don't like it that much

also why are all the other "begs" so good?
>>4593157
>>4593426
>>4593456
>>4594357
are pretty good to me

[Anonymous No.4594513]

>>4594507
>all

[Anonymous No.4594519]

>>4594507
krita

[Anonymous No.4594520]

>>4594507
seconding because I currently use Autodesk sketchbook and while I don't have any issues with it, I'm just wondering about other alternatives or what your issues are. And they're likely just asking for critique. They probably don't concider themselves beginners exactly.

[Anonymous No.4594523]

>>4594507

People can't agree on whether some anons are /beg/ or /int/. Then you have the problem that some anons want to keep others down, so they say they're still in /beg/ tier even if they aren't. Other anons also have absolutely no standards and think that if you can draw a single box, you're automatically /int/ tier.

[Anonymous No.4594534]

>>4594519
thank you i'll try it out!
>>4594513
there's more good begs than bad begs in this thread

[Anonymous No.4594540]

>>4594499
I don't have anything to work digitally but I tried to give it a better mask.

[Anonymous No.4594546]

>>4594357
Not /beg/

[Anonymous No.4594555]

>>4594534
krita is god tier for painting

[Anonymous No.4594558]

>>4594507
>what's a good free drawing software?
photoshop

[Anonymous No.4594584]

working on my second face painting study thing. not sure how to properly blend skin yet but i'll keep at it

[Anonymous No.4594630]

I tried to make my bodies longer because they kept being too scrunched. But I think I made it too long but I was measuring using the head length.

[Anonymous No.4594634]

>>4594630
Yes, the body length is too long.

[Anonymous No.4594649]

why havent you studied your fundies?

[Anonymous No.4594671]

>>4594649
How do you study them?

[Anonymous No.4594677]

>>4594225
how 2 draw decent circles and even curves?

[Anonymous No.4594681]

Current update. I decided to erase the chicken scratching and practice trying to make smooth lines with minimal strokes.
Hands are now too tiny.

>>4594634
Can you elaborate please? Such as maybe where the crotch should end or any of key marker on the body.

[Anonymous No.4594682]

>>4594677
use your whole arm, not just your wrist

[Anonymous No.4594687]

What do I do if I have standards that I am unable to fulfil? I used to enjoy drawing and wouldn't mind a flawed image if I was able to depict what I had in my head, but now I've lost all soul because I've tried to stick to safer options just so I wouldn't fuck up. Where do I go from here?

[Anonymous No.4594689]

>>4594687
just draw lmao

[Anonymous No.4594690]

>>4594689
Shut the fuck up this isn't funny anymore.

[Anonymous No.4594696]

>>4594682
Wrist meaning like just the hand-wrist joint right?
And whole arm involves like the elbow and shoulder too?

Should I try to go quickly or more slowly for circles?
I end up using mostly only the motion of my fingers when trying to draw, using more than that feels odd.

I just CAN'T stop making very lopsided circles

[Anonymous No.4594699]

>>4594690
hav u herd about or lord n savior loomis?

[Anonymous No.4594701]

>>4593637
it was based on a drawing of my friend. your looks amazing.

[Anonymous No.4594706]

>>4594681
I believe that the pantie line should start around this area.

[Anonymous No.4594714]

>>4593829
>>4593941
So which one is it?

[Anonymous No.4594726]

>>4594714
yes

[Anonymous No.4594728]

>>4594706
Wait is a torso three heads or four heads long?

[Anonymous No.4594737]

>>4594728
Three, were you using four earlier?

[Anonymous No.4594745]

>>4594706
No, wait you're right, my bad.
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.4594773]

>>4593590
>>4593946

Im a begginer too but allow me to say something
try to take more time thinking why hes using those lines there if he do it in 1 min maybe youll need 2 or maybe 5, when you are starting take more time analyzing what and why hes doing that

at the beggining dont use complicate or clothet references that will confuse you, go with more simple poses, you are using some extreme poses and those are bad at the beggining they will confuse you, the clothe figures are the last to try because you have to see the form under the clothes, unless you are sketching the clothes but begginers dont do this, you are trying to follow the clohes and not the pose and that is wrong

if it helps try to trace some C S curves over the reference just dont keep doing it once you get it

you normally only need 2 lines to describe a cylinder if hes using more wrapping lines its because they have a propose there, the more you study anatomy they will make more sense for you

[Anonymous No.4594774]

show 1 time a famous anime/manga artist has said and recommended people to practice loomis.

[Anonymous No.4594783]

>>4594774
you dont need to practice it, but dont open a thread saying you are having a hard time drawing 6 months from now because you're not using any construction method

[Anonymous No.4594784]

>>4594454
ah its all one layer painting! idk how to do value curve with csp :<<

[Anonymous No.4594787]

>>4594671
just draw

[Anonymous No.4594800]

>>4594774
show me one time an artist has been held back and prevented from doing other things by learning loomis

[Anonymous No.4594807]

>>4594507
>>4594546
I consider myself /beg/ because of my inconsistency and lack of fundamentals.
I feel like /int/ people are a lot more consistent

[Anonymous No.4594815]

>>4594800
I'm also curious to see an answer to the initial question.

[Anonymous No.4594817]

This is my first time laying in the planes of the head! I'm super proud of this but I also don't know what I'm doing. Please point out my mistakes. :)

[Anonymous No.4594818]

i was an idiot and passed on making an under-drawing, then spent about an hour on this crap fixing it constantly and not even getting a proportionate result
besides that, any other crits?

[Anonymous No.4594827]

>>4594817
simplify your lines, and make them more confidently - literally make all your work about 30% transparency and go over in confident lines over the stuff you really want to emphasise
right now it's muddle between an outline of features, outlining planed, outlining shadows etc so choose on and keep it consistent

[Anonymous No.4594846]

>>4594784
fool around with it
nothing a ctrl+z can't fix and will save you hours of redraws

[Anonymous No.4594851]

>>4594773
>C S curves
?

[Anonymous No.4594859]

>>4594807
pretty sure that guy is just shit posting, he says this to like everyone

[Anonymous No.4594865]

>>4594859

What, that the anon says everyone is not /beg/ so they go to /int/ and get pounded back down?

[Anonymous No.4594866]

i member being told to draw shapes and the like to make the world, not what i see
now people here are saying to literally draw what you see
which is right

[Anonymous No.4594870]

>>4594774
show 1 time someone asking a famous anime/manga artist asking his thoughts on loomis

[Anonymous No.4594871]

>>4594866

They're both right. Drawing shapes and breaking things down into simpler shapes is the first step. Once you've mastered that, you then draw what you actually see.

[Anonymous No.4594874]

>>4594865
I just notice that exact post gets made multiple times per thread and the guy who does it never responds to anyone. A repetitive shit post. He does it to high quality art that legit is not beg (see: the guy last thread who had a near perfect anatomy fully painted pic of a chick asking for lighting tips when he's above most intermediates), he does it to meh art, sometimes he does it to outright bad art

[Anonymous No.4594884]

[Anonymous No.4594887]

So before I start doing my gesture drawing practice on quickdraw, I wanted to post this. Because I think this shows one of my exact issues I am aware of. I keep drawing heads too tall, and I'm not entirely sure how to fix it. Should I just keep practicing sketching heads until I get a good head shape? I know I do the construction right, but when it comes to actually drawing the head, ears, eyes, somewhere along the way, I mess it up.

[Anonymous No.4594893]

>>4594887

[Anonymous No.4594894]

>>4594887
simpsons made it work somehow

[Anonymous No.4594896]

>>4594884
Work on your hands.
You can put in my twisting wrinkles in the clothes and neck to show that he is looking over his shoulder.

[Anonymous No.4594901]

>>4594887

Anon, I know you want to draw in a stylized manner, but for the love of god please go back to practicing fundamentals. Your future stylized characters will thank you.

[Anonymous No.4594905]

>>4594818
I love this anon, you did a great job. I am making this my wallpaper.

[Anonymous No.4594912]

Crosshatching is fun. I'm on my 4th day of drawing every day. I've never really drawn before this and never realized how fun it could be.

I can't wait to see what I learn in the future.

[Anonymous No.4594920]

>>4594901
The thing is that I only have issues with that character in particular. While this has a whole slew of amateur-ish problems, I feel confident about drawing them and just accept that I just need to keep drawing them to get better. And yes, I appreciate the advice about practicing my fundamentals..I'm trying to get into that habit of just practicing and not doing a full drawing every time I draw.

[Anonymous No.4594925]

i miss asukafag

[Anonymous No.4594927]

>>4594818
do you have any other work like this?

[Anonymous No.4594945]

>>4594925
What happened to him?
How do I get to be known by a nickname?

[Anonymous No.4594955]

>>4593590
I don't get the point of these lines over just drawing the actual arms and such as actual arms or like rectangles if you wanted to simplify it I guess.

On that sketch daily site, am I supposed to be doing this, rather than actually drawing what I see?

[Anonymous No.4594957]

train your vagina bones

[Anonymous No.4594960]

>>4594945

Do nothing but draw one character again and again and again and post constantly in every thread.

Asukafag did nothing but draw Asuka, and he kept posting his progress as he slowly kept grinding and getting better.

[Anonymous No.4594961]

>>4594945
Post often and be able to impress dumb uber/beg/s

[Anonymous No.4594962]

>>4594851

sorry i have been reading hampton
i mean with vilppu terminology would be
trace over stretch curves and the pinch on your ref

[Anonymous No.4594969]

>>4594962
>the pinch on your ref
I don't remember villpu ever referring to anything as ''the pinch''.
The fuck is that?

[Anonymous No.4594985]

>>4594969
If the torso bends one side stretches and the opposite compresses, or it 'pinches"

[Anonymous No.4594990]

>>4594985
Oh that. Thanks. Didn't even know there was a term for that.
So trace over one side and the other, pretty much
I don't really get the point since you can already base both sides off the belly button

[Anonymous No.4594995]

>>4594884
loomis.

[Anonymous No.4594999]

>>4594905
>>4594927
you guys are too nice this was just a quick study, no other work yet i'm only just getting back into drawing

[Anonymous No.4595002]

>>4594969
plz

[Anonymous No.4595007]

>>4595002
thanks bro guess it got lost in the massive sea of knowledge he shits out

[Anonymous No.4595025]

>>4593746
GRANDMA I TOLD YOU. YOU'RE TOO OLD TO COSPLAY!!!

[Anonymous No.4595038]

tried out some brushes on csp
i want to lurk more on digital painting and color theory

[Anonymous No.4595054]

>>4593746
The hair is too big for the head. The nose is off center. The eyes are too small.
You need to plan the construction better.

In general the more details to the face the older a character looks. Especially when it's jowl lines or the philtrum.

[Anonymous No.4595090]

Focused on some changes from the previous, a lot of things I had to reference or just guess and my lack of experience shows. I couldn't be arsed to find an angry face at that angle so I kinda guessed based on what I've seen before.

Uniform, hair, and horns are from Helltaker Malina and I only had a frontal reference. It also doesn't look right if I poof out the hair so again, a lot of guessing. Had to transform that into her pose and give it a bit more realism based again on what I've seen.

Also transformed the mask, making eyes larger, nose slightly smaller and chin smaller too. Fucked up the nose and I can only tell now that I've scanned it in.

Measurements are lacking in other areas. Eyes feel slightly wonky, not sure what though. Probably tiny inconsistencies.

I forgot eyelashes but I'm too lazy to rescan.

Didn't go to dark with shading.

>>4594069
I kinda get what you're saying. This was definitely far outside my comfort zone. I've primarily focused on copying pretty hard my reference and trying to do a 100% copy. This is very different to my initial reference. It's something I didn't think about though so thanks for bringing it up. I tried to be more confident the second time around.

>>4594105
I meant to say i failed to show the expression I intended to convey. She doesn't look angry enough to me. Lighting is definitely fucked. Tried to be more consistent the second time around based on what you said.

[Anonymous No.4595092]

>>4594687
This wasn't a troll post I'm still looking for legitimate answers.

[Anonymous No.4595095]

>>4595090
For those who want to role. Helltaker is a free game on Steam

[Anonymous No.4595100]

>>4595092
loomis

[Anonymous No.4595116]

Alright, so I tried doing some gesture Drawing following an anon's advice of avoiding chicken scratching and using less lines. Am I on the right-er track?

[Anonymous No.4595131]

>>4594687
>What do I do if I have standards that I am unable to fulfil?
you set them lower, and just draw is unironically a solution
if you think your doing something too safe then try something else
would probably be best if you would pyw, what are we working with here?

[Anonymous No.4595133]

>>4595092
>i'm still for answers because then I have an excuse not to leave my comfort zone, be confronted with what areas I need to work on and accept that I actually need to study and learn before I can move on
what kinda question is that anyway? it's not a question, it's you complaining, you're complaining you're scared of trying different things and sucking at it because then in your all-or-nothing mind if you suck at thing D it doesn't matter you're good at ABC it means you suck forever and art is pointless and let's go back to coding and blah why can't I be good??
I'm angry at you for using these pathetic excuses because I do the same anon, but please realise that you are perfectly capable of working this one out yourself, you're just looking for excuses... "looking for legitimate answers" yes yes /ic/ is the place to look for real answers you sit tight bud and things will just fall into place for you, no effort needed
i'm sorry I rant-projected

[Anonymous No.4595134]

>>4595090
Kinda like the first impression more. Looks more natural to me.

[Anonymous No.4595137]

>>4595116
yes absolutely, if you had chicken-scratched this it would really suck but this just sucks because you're anatomy is all wonky - you're next task is to start measuring the body in heads ie, measure how far down from the chin, in head height, does the chest start? the navel? hips? how many heads long is the quadricep muscle?
then it will start clicking in your head
also don't be afraid to draw really loosely, you can get interesting marks and it helps build your line confidence even more
just for drawing and posting your art you're already better than you were yesterday anon keep it up please

[Anonymous No.4595142]

>>4595137
>you're anatomy
eng not so good second languej pls forgib

[Anonymous No.4595148]

>>4595133
I was looking for ways to leave my comfort zone, why else would I admit that my current work has become completely soulless?

[Anonymous No.4595149]

>>4595142
its okay bro dont worry your england is fine and anyone whod insult you over it when you are literally giving free advice is an faggaso

[Anonymous No.4595151]

>>4595134
I imagine that's because I copied the reference much more closely in the first one without consideration for how the skin moves to express anger. the only thing I did was move the eyebrows and added a slight frown to the edge of the lips.

I had to do a lot of guesswork on the second one so i see what you mean. It shows that I don't fully understand things yet.

[Anonymous No.4595154]

>>4595148
draw something else then and post it here

[Anonymous No.4595157]

>>4595137
Alright, awesome. It's super super tempting to just chicken scratch it. I think that's why my anatomy is off, both because of speed and not being able to chicken scratch until it looks right. I'll follow this up with today's drawing of my OC, and when constructing, try to avoid scratching and having more line confidence.

[Anonymous No.4595168]

>>4595157
i mean your just doing simple poses my dude, if it doesnt look right, just move on to the next one anyways

[Anonymous No.4595174]

>>4595168
Yeah, but I also gotta remind myself that it looks weird because I was doing it weirdly and practicing, not because I myself am bad. If that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.4595177]

>>4595174
that just sounds like excuses to me
if you werent bad youd not be in /beg/ and youd not be worrying about chicken lines

[Anonymous No.4595196]

>>4595177
Well, they're not excuses though. Objectively, I have never done this type of 1 minute sketching before, it's going to look bad compared to when I chicken scratch for 15 minutes and can take my time.if I let myself think I am bad because I tried something new and it looks weird, I'm not going to want to practice this new technique that will only help me improve.

[Anonymous No.4595199]

I had draw over it a couple of times.

[Anonymous No.4595203]

>>4595199
Why does it flip it sideways qhen I post it with my phone

[Anonymous No.4595208]

>>4595203
4chan strips exif data, some of that data is used to store image's alignment,

[Anonymous No.4595223]

>>4595222
>>4595222
>>4595222

[Anonymous No.4595277]

>>4594010
I do that all the time don't worry

[Anonymous No.4595346]

>>4595277
Are you the guy from /int/

[Anonymous No.4595676]

>>4595346
Does /int/ even exist?
I post my orc oc in the /beg/ and porn threads and that's kinda it

[Anonymous No.4596381]

>>4594010
>last hour
amateur

[Anonymous No.4597725]

Is it wrong to use a ruler when doing 'Perspective Made Easy?' Like, when drawing the line across the centre of the page to mark the horizon?