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>that feel when

>> No.4583594

NGMI

>> No.4583610
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this manga is blue period; i recommend that all of you read it. the art's fantastic and the author really knows how to tug at your heartstrings. it articulates a lot of the struggles of learning how to draw at a later age when you haven't done anything all your life

https://mangakakalot.com/chapter/dp918434/chapter_1

>> No.4583831

Drawing from imagination is hard because you're basically opening yourself up to the world and exposing what's really going on inside your brain. It's an intimate form of sharing that art provides but for some people, myself included, the thought of other people judging this intimate exchange becomes too much so you subconsciously decide not to draw despite having the technical skill to make something.

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>>4583831
Shhhhhhh anon, shhhhh. I don't wan't to snap your knees because you're telling the truth. But if you continue, I will have to.
Let's just be adults and sweep our problems under the rug, okay?

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>>4583509

>> No.4583950

>>4583831
I like drawing from imagination, but using references too simply makes everything look better. For many things you also basically have to use references. At least if you want to draw semi-realistic.

>> No.4583965

>>4583950
Imagination in relation to this thread is more about drawing something that you came up with yourself using your own creativity. Rather than mindlessly grinding from photo references, only drawing what's physically there, you finally draw something that means something to you. Obviously everybody uses references but it's the step before that, creatively deciding what your piece will be and what it will portray.

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>>4583509
That's why i hate using references. I feel more happy and accomplished making a stiff pose from imagination than copying.

>> No.4584299

>>4584292
This, no amount of reference will ever make you feel the same as you drawing something completely from imagination.

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>>4584303

>> No.4584307
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>> No.4584312

>>4584306
my feel everyday on social media with those normalfags calling my hard work talent
can't be helped it's the go to "praise"

>> No.4584322

>>4584306
This is why talented fags deny the existence of talent. They like to pretend they "worked hard".

>> No.4584332

>>4584312
I can't stand it people who say "you're so talented, I could never!"- but like, I can't fault people for saying it, since it's the default, and a "nice" thing to say.
Whenever I want to compliment someone, though, I'm sure to use the word "skilled" or something like that, since it doesn't remove the work they've put in. I wish more people would think about this sort of thing.
>>4584322|
Talent isn't real, it's all about the amount of quality time you put something. You can toss a ball 1,000 times but still be shit at throwing. You gotta learn the right way to do something while you're practicing. If you've got no one to teach you, switch things up, try out new techniques. If you're mindlessly throwing the ball, you'll get nowhere.

Same with art- if you do a million Sami-level drawings, you obviously won't improve, but if you're thinking "why does this look like shit?" and actually turn your brain on, you'll get better. Some people figure this out early, do it subconciously, etc, but that doesn't make them any more "talented", it just means they were smarter than the dumbasses who kept drawing like shit over and over.

>> No.4584341

>>4584332
Whatever you say, talented guy.

>> No.4584353

>>4584341
You can train someone to shoot a rifle, you can teach them to fish, you can instruct them on rhetoric but somehow you just can’t fucking teach someone to make lines on a page
Right

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>>4584341
Whatever you say, wasted potential.

>> No.4584421

>>4584388
Blog?

>> No.4584440

>>4584388
>Its another episode of talented people pretending talent doesn't exist

>> No.4584475

>>4584303
>>4584306

Arrghgh!! I was disappointed that he missed his sempai at her personal studio. She should have been Yatora's gf! Now that shes out of his life, all thats left are the autistic students at his cram school. Even his boys have hit the road. ;_;7 Miss those little delinquents like you wouldnt believe.

>> No.4584479

>>4583949
which one is this?

>> No.4584482

>>4584440
>It’s another episode of crabs conflating talent isn’t everything and talent doesn’t exist

>> No.4584485

>>4584482
But Talent really doesn't exist though. Anyone may learn how to draw it only depends how bad you want to.

>> No.4584546

>>4584485
Talent is not about inability to learn, its about rate of growth. Two different people exposed to the same information and putting the same amount of work can achieve very different results. So someone might learn something in 1 year while the other would take him 10. If you add to the mix environmental factors and the fact that not everyone gets proper instruction the numbers go bigger.
>But its okay, it will only take you 100 years to learn what a talented artist learns in 10 under perfect conditions.

>> No.4584701

>>4583610
Thanks for giving sauce, that was a lovely read

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I think I caught the Proko, guys. A few months ago I was having trouble with composition and gesture and an anon told me to just grind out lots of drawings from reality. Eventually I felt like I started to understand how to draw from imagination but then I took a week break 1 month ago. I felt like my composition and gesture skills completely tanked and I'm back where I started except I'm much better at copying photographs. Even now I'm trying to grind out the drawings but ultimately I'm only drawing what I see and not what I imagine. Anybody know how to get out of this rut? I don't want to be a human xerox...

>> No.4584894

>>4584880
Just start drawing from imagination. It's not that fucking difficult. Develop a systematic approach by starting from abstract forms and refining them into organic shapes that are anatomically correct in proportion and form. I strongly suggest you look into Vilppu's videos and the Vilppu drawing manual he's able to simplify drawing form imagination for you to understand the concept between abstract forms and refining them into what we recognize as a figure with each progressing step and stage.

>> No.4585315

>>4584353
t. doesn't understand what talent means. You cannot teach everyone to become a world class shooter with a rifle, that requires talent. I have no idea about fishing, there probably is some kind of fishing talent too.

>> No.4585740

>>4584303
https://youtu.be/SRKOVZGeL7Y

>> No.4585751

>>4583509
>>4583610
>The Manga opens with talking shit about Picasso
Fucking based

>> No.4585783

>>4584312
>my feel everyday on social media with those normalfags calling my hard work talent
Let me guess, I bet you are also one of those faggots who think everybody is fully responsible for their own destiny, and that things like parental upbringing don't matter, right?

You think that way, because you are a faggot who wants the double satisfaction. Instead of admitting that some people just have way better prerequisites than others, you act as if everyone has the same chances, because you are too full of yourself to admit that it might not just be hard work which makes you more successfull than others.

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>>4585751
But the manga loves Picasso and expressionistic art in general

>> No.4586860

>>4584880

To be able to draw from imagination, you have to have a good understanding of what youre looking at in real life, not just good recall.
How good is your anatomical knowledge? Do you know whats going on under the hood, so to speak?
Having a working understanding of how the machine fits together will help you immensely when constructing figures.

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>>4584475
but anon, now we have cutest and best autist yotasuke!

>> No.4586956

>>4584332
I feel the exact same way about people who say “you’re so lucky.”

>> No.4586959

>>4583949
Please tell me she gets fucked at some point. This snarky bitch deserves a good dicking.

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>>4586959
...You are aware about the Mangaka's background right?

>> No.4587033

>>4585783
Nope I'm a determichad, as a puppet or willingly doesn't change the fact that the work has been done
did those normalfags made thousands of studies? read hundred of books and watched dozen of courses? no? thought so
malding over talent/hard work when you guys are just lazy losers haha

>> No.4587040

>>4587033
>malding

back to r*ddit

>> No.4587041

>>4587009
No?

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>>4587041
I'll just leave it at that mate

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>>4587041

The fact that Nagatoro was actually serialized is small miracle.

>> No.4587083

>>4587058
>>4587056
so is it like porn? does she ever get fucked? cause it just seems like a typical blueball simp shit cocktease to me.

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>>4587083

It's pornographic, but it's the kind of porn normal people don't quite understand, so it gets a pass. Like Dan Schnieder asking middle schoolers for feet pics before that became common knowledge.

>> No.4587130

>>4586935
It's... ITS THE GUND*M REVERSE PENCIL GRIP!!!

I'VE ONLY HEARD ABOUT IT IN LEGENDS!
BUT TO THINK... IM ACTUALLY WITNESSING IT WITH MY OWN TWO EYES!!! AMAZING!

>> No.4587131

>>4587112
what am i supposed to feel looking at this

>> No.4587135

>>4587131
Turned on but only if you have a fetish for girls insulting you.

>> No.4587137

>>4587112
Yeah, I read this years ago, but you never even saw her tits or anything.

>> No.4587141

>>4584353
The fishing analogy is a relay bad example I've gone fishing hundreds of times sense i was a kid and can count on one hand how many I caught something.

>> No.4587145

>>4587141
*how many times

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>>4583610
wtf is this bro

>> No.4587319

>>4587305
La globina.

>> No.4587392

>>4585795
Which is unfortunate.

>> No.4587453

>>4586935
Yotasuke is too powerful. He makes me want to puke!

>> No.4587470

>>4584388
can someone explain to me how this is good

>> No.4587525

>>4587130
lol... why do mangas always do this shit

>> No.4587647

>>4584485
>But Talent really doesn't exist though. Anyone may learn how to draw it only depends how bad you want to.
why do I have a favorite artist? why do I think some artist's tastes suck ass? it's nothing to do with how hard they worked or their skill, it's not that linear, it's because they have shit taste. Every artist will end up in a different end point in a different genre with different tastes, that's talent retard.

>> No.4587654

Everyone on this thread should give up if you don’t have talent LOL

>> No.4587808

>>4587525
Because you read garbage meant for children.

>> No.4587829

>>4587808
enlighten us on what's garbage not meant for children, oh wise retard.

>> No.4587896

>>4587305
grug

>> No.4587970

>>4587040
>redditspacing
oh no no no the irony

>> No.4587971 [DELETED] 

>>4583940
i can smell the reddit in this post

>> No.4587973

>>4587829
Stuff that doesn't use tired cliches like the one you're complaining about obviously, you stupid moron.

>> No.4587981

>>4583940
fuck off roastie

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>>4587305
dude. the arts fantastic.

>> No.4588371

>>4584332
>Talent isn't real, it's all about the amount of quality time you put something.
That's why children doing the same practice menu in the same sports club for the same amount of time under the same coach always end up with exactly the same skill level, right? Or are you going to tell me the better ones "worked harder"?

>> No.4588803

>>4587112
Nagatoro is so based, i want to make a cute boy cry

>> No.4588812

>>4588371
you make it sound like all of those children equally care about said sport and none of them do it for fun outside of school.
until they let us experiments on children like lab rats your example is pointless

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"Talent" is real, but it's just an affinity for something. You'll learn it faster and more intuitively because it's just a thing you do. However, the principles and knowledge are learnable by mostly anyone.

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>>4587305
Wtf is this shit lol.

>> No.4590831

>>4589078
Making hands bigger makes people look more beautiful but that's like yaoi hand level.

I think the artist just said fuck it and left it in, probably time constraints.

>> No.4590859

>>4589078
Female mangaka emphasize hands for some reason. Same how male mangaka focus on boobs and faces.

>> No.4593458

>>4589078
The artist can't draw hands. There are lots of instances like this happening throughout the manga

>> No.4593476

>>4590831
cope
>>4590859
cope
>>4593458
This.

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BAZUDO

>> No.4593662

>>4593655
The absolute state of /ic/ and /asg/

>> No.4593689

>>4584292
>>4584299
This shitty arrogant mentality is why none of us will make it. I have the same feeling because of /ic/ and I know it's holding me back but I can't get you people out of my head.

>> No.4594611

>>4587470
he improved a lot, are you blind?

>> No.4596866

>>4593655
post the next page where fatty gets owned

>> No.4598739

>>4584322
Talent isn't real. There's are only people who know how to draw and lazy coomers.

>> No.4598756

>>4593655
half of /ic/ in a shellnut lol

>> No.4598758

>>4593689
>I can't get you people out of my head.
Why? We're hopeless man just leave lol

>> No.4598807

>>4593655
I know asking this probably means I'm NGMI for not already knowing, but what is Dessin?

>> No.4598812

>>4598807
dessin means "a drawing" in french

>> No.4598814

>>4598812
>there are plenty of people who never tried to draw
what did the translators mean by this

>> No.4598851

>>4598814
exactly what they meant lol
i'm pretty sure a good 70% of /ic/ doesn't even draw

>> No.4598856

>>4598851
Make that 99%

>> No.4598878

>>4598851
probably not, by that they probably imply a method of studying like figure drawing or something

>> No.4598892

>>4598807
I think in Japanese it usually refers to traditional sketching, in this case probably still lifes, drapery and cast studies.
A step up from croquis, which are very quick sketches.

>> No.4598896

>>4598812
>>4598892
Great, thank you very much

>> No.4598902

>>4583610
I'm really enjoying it, thanks

>> No.4598910

>>4593689
>arrogant mentality
I am sorry bro you feel for the reference meme

>> No.4599523

>>4598807
The translation is shit which sucks.