/beg/ thread

[Anonymous No.4537747]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the /draw/thread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, or you literally are never going to make it

previous >>4534422

READ THE STICKY if you need guidance.
Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

[Anonymous No.4537796]

It hit me really hard tonight that I could be sinking hundreds of hours into something that I literally just cannot do.
I'm used to most things coming pretty easy to me. But nothing has ever been as frustrating or as hopeless for me as drawing. It is without a doubt the hardest thing I have ever tried to learn how to do.
Maybe this is how the dumb kids in school felt whenever I aced a test without studying. No matter how hard they tried, their brains just didn't work as well as mine. Maybe I finally found something that MY brain can't do.
I've always said up until that I wouldn't quit drawing no matter how hopeless it was. But the overwhelming weight of the evidence of how futile it is suddenly feels quite heavy.

[Anonymous No.4537801]

>>4537796
Do you like drawing?

[Anonymous No.4537809]

>>4537796
>Maybe this is how the dumb kids in school felt whenever I aced a test without studying. No matter how hard they tried, their brains just didn't work as well as mine. Maybe I finally found something that MY brain can't do.
Basically

[Anonymous No.4537811]

>>4537796
>Maybe this is how the dumb kids in school felt whenever I aced a test without studying. No matter how hard they tried, their brains just didn't work as well as mine.
Ex dumb kid here. Yes that's how it was like for math at least for me. My brain just could not process math no matter how hard I tried. Still can't in my late twenties.

[Anonymous No.4537812]

>>4537796
watch volen ck's videos in the video course thread
he talks about being used to doing things easily but getting his ass kicked when trying art and how he struggled and persevered

[Anonymous No.4537813]

how do i learn to draw from imagination? i've overdosed on fundies and i feel i'm gonna become proko 2 except even worse

[Anonymous No.4537823]

>>4537813
draw using those fundies you learned

[Anonymous No.4537827]

Why does this look like a man? Following Loomis rn

[Anonymous No.4537832]

>>4537801
Not really. But I love art and I strongly want to be able to create art.
>>4537812
Volen is a perma-ngmi so that's not very reassuring.

[Anonymous No.4537836]

self portrait

[Anonymous No.4537838]

>>4537813
>i've overdosed on fundies
>how do i learn to draw from imagination
You didn't learn any fundies. Literally the whole reason fundies exist is to help you draw from imagination. If all you ever had to do was draw from reference then you could just sight size everything and ignore perspective construction etc.

[Anonymous No.4537840]

a cat

[Anonymous No.4537841]

>>4537823
all i keep learning is how to draw the pictures in front of me better

[Anonymous No.4537843]

>>4537836
I don't think you actually look like that.

[Anonymous No.4537847]

>>4537796
How long have you been trying?

>>4537813
Just do it. You can't tell yourself you learned something if you can't do it from imagination.

[Anonymous No.4537850]

>>4537836
Is it though?

>>4537840
I understand it may be a style choice, but no perspective on the floor looks odd.

>>4537827
It’s not clearly either gender because you are still symbol drawing and not working off the planes of the face.

Starting rendering this one

[Anonymous No.4537855]

>>4537850
maybe I haven't reached that part of the book yet. I'm getting started on the "divided plane and ball" method"

[Anonymous No.4537859]

>>4537841
Thats ok for learning construction, but you got to use those skills

[Anonymous No.4537860]

>>4537847
>How long have you been trying?
Year and a half.

[Anonymous No.4537863]

>>4537827
Absolutely based

[Anonymous No.4537864]

>>4537860
That's long enough to decide if you really want to continue. Give up if you don't like it.

[Anonymous No.4537870]

>>4537864
I don't like it, but I'll only give up if it's truly hopeless. I want to be able to make art so much that I'm willing to draw even though I don't like it. But if it was literally impossible to ever learn, that would obviously be a different story.

[Anonymous No.4537872]

>>4537850
IT is not a floor, most a background, bueno i undestard, how can i improve the perspective?

[Anonymous No.4537884]

>>4537850
reflection on shoulder and shield make them look hammered. Maybe it is intention .
reflection on the shield leaks to the chest. must not happen. light from the top but sometimes it from the front.

[Anonymous No.4537888]

>>4537859
i'm trying! how the fuck does one learn that

there's no "draw a portrait from imagination" book or nothing
and everything i go draw on my own looks like watery shit, regardless of how good i get copies of what i see down

[Anonymous No.4537889]

>>4537870
Post your work. I'll tell you if you're really hopeless.

[Anonymous No.4537892]

>>4537888
start drawing from memory after copying.

[Anonymous No.4537894]

>>4537889
If you say I'm not hopeless then I'll feel like I was just fishing for compliments.
If you say I'm hopeless then it'll legitimately upset me.
So I'll pass.

[Anonymous No.4537896]

>>4537894
If you can't take it then give up, pussy

[Anonymous No.4537899]

>>4537888
Start small.
Can you draw a nose? Draw some noses. If they look really off then maybe you need to work on your basic construction and perspective skills. But if you've drawn enough noses before, you should at least be able to remember one of them well enough that you can draw it again without looking at any reference.
Same with eyes and lips and ears. And then you just put everything together in the right way.
It's ultimately a very simple process. It just takes a long ass time to learn.

[Anonymous No.4537904]

>>4537894
You're anonymous, if you can't take criticism even when there is nothing linking you from the work that is being criticised, then there is no hope for you.

[Anonymous No.4537907]

>>4537894
BRUH

[Anonymous No.4537913]

[Anonymous No.4537915]

>>4537892
>>4537899
guess i'm complaining too much, you're right, i'm just frustrated i can't really replicate what i can copy

[Anonymous No.4537919]

>>4537915
Drawing from imagination is way way harder than copying. Don't feel bad about it.

[Anonymous No.4537922]

I'm at the valley of despair. 0 confidence.

[Anonymous No.4537954]

>>4537922
honestly, show your art to normies you know, that always gives me a boost to my confidence because i can shit in my palms and clap and they'd be amazed by it

[Anonymous No.4537955]

>>4537915
Do this exercise, draw a part of the body spinning on its axe, so you can attack various angles, if somthing feels off, is no sin to check a reference

[Anonymous No.4537981]

>>4537827
Got it a >>>little<<< more right this time.
Loomis just says "don't draw the parts in the wrong place xDDD"

[Anonymous No.4537986]

>>4537981
seeing more closely now, it looks like a slavic tranny
damn

[Anonymous No.4537992]

[Anonymous No.4538006]

>>4537954
Other artists tell me I'm doing great, but compliments don't do anything for me.

[Anonymous No.4538009]

>>4537747
Anyone have some recommendations on books that go into some detail on colors + painting?
I'd like something that goes deep into theory, but also has some practical guides on how to actually mix and apply paint. I've read through How to Render, which helped a lot with greyscale, constructions, and theory, but, while he does talk a bit about color it's not a whole lot. How to Render also doesn't have much on painting, let alone how to actually mix and apply paints.

I've heard Gurney's Color and Light is good, but does it go into detail on the actual process of using paints?
I've mostly been using and plan to continue using gouache. (Don't really want to deal with full on oils, at least not right now.)

A book about relief printmaking would be neat too, if anyone knows of one.

[Anonymous No.4538023]

Haven't drawn since school which was like 10 years ago, and wanted to start again to eventually do commissions. Came across a tip to copy an existing picture. So this is my first attempt, had to stop for the night so it's obviously unfinished.

[Anonymous No.4538037]

>>4538009
>I've heard Gurney's Color and Light is good, but does it go into detail on the actual process of using paints?
No, it's just a meme book for unobservant people.

[Anonymous No.4538039]

I can use color now! I know I’m supposed to use certain layer settings for shadows and highlights. But they all look the same ...

[Anonymous No.4538053]

>>4537894
Honestly that's probably a wise decision. People on ic can be ruthless for no reason, and if youre fragile right now it could get nasty.

>>4537796
Look, I dont know what to tell you. How consistently have you been practicing, and how hard do you practice? do you engage your brain while you do it? are you sure you art still sucks, or are you a perfectionist

[Anonymous No.4538064]

>>4538009
There are lots of good books on the nuts and bolts of oil painting - videos, too, DrawMixPaint is very good for the beginning steps of traditional technique.
I got this book as a present randomly years ago, and didn't touch it for a while, because the title is so scammy, but when I finally read it - it's a damned good book, especially for portraits.

[Anonymous No.4538066]

>>4537894
Drawing or making any type of art just for getting compliments/attention is wrong in the first place, you do it because you like to do it and for you it's an experience full of discomfort.
Drop /ic/ or drop art altogether and find something you enjoy doing. Also learn how to love yourself. I wish you nothing but the best

[Anonymous No.4538070]

>>4537796
The improvement in art is a long road, but you're by no means ngmi. Keep the dream alive.

[Anonymous No.4538073]

>>4538006
In fact, I really dislike it. It feels like they're setting expectations for me that I can't meet.

[Anonymous No.4538087]

another frustrating night
fuck

[Anonymous No.4538147]

Can you learn to draw if you don't like drawing?

[Anonymous No.4538154]

>>4537981
>he fell for the loomis meme

[Anonymous No.4538158]

>>4538147
why would you want to learn if you dont like it

[Anonymous No.4538161]

>>4538147
no

[Anonymous No.4538166]

Friend was doodling with me and made this..

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4538169]

>>4538166

[Anonymous No.4538173]

>>4538169
Here are some of mine.

[Anonymous No.4538175]

>>4538173

[Anonymous No.4538178]

[Anonymous No.4538188]

[Anonymous No.4538196]

>>4538166
>>4538169
>>4538173
>>4538175
yikes

[Anonymous No.4538199]

assuming you're not a total beginner, will drawing in MS paint slow down your learning curve, or will it train you the ability to draw with any tool? i have fun drawing in a shitty program intentionally, but i want to know if i'm stunting my progress in the long run

[Anonymous No.4538202]

>>4538188
I like her skirt

[Anonymous No.4538231]

Work in progress, what is off about this?

[Anonymous No.4538233]

>>4538199
it is excuse to draw poorly.

[Anonymous No.4538238]

First eye study, any tips?

Working with a mechanical pencil, should i look into getting something better?

[Anonymous No.4538290]

>>4538147
Can you draw if you don't draw?

[Anonymous No.4538301]

Decided to put some work in it after someone was cool enough to give a critique/overpaint. Any more critique? Should I keep working on this one or drop it?

[Anonymous No.4538307]

I'm not sure because I couldn't draw humans properly but this is what I suspect

[Anonymous No.4538314]

What are some resources that give a precise study regimen? I get lost on what to focus on.

[Anonymous No.4538321]

>>4537796
The way I see it, drawing is an equalizer. You can be smart and you'll take two to five years of hardcore study to get to a decent place, because of the sheer number of things you have to learn. You can also be dumb and you'll still take two to five years to get to a decent place, because these individual things don't really take smarts to learn, just lots of practice. People who did well in school have a tough time of it, because they don't know how it feels to grind down something until you understand it. But if you were one of these people who were average in ability but still scored well through hard and boring work, you'll have an easy time becoming an artist.

There are caveats, like how people who have been drawing since they're kids have a head start because of the free mileage, or how some people never improve in a decade because they're interested in getting their ideas out rather than drawing. But I track artists who get good quickly, because I'm a fossil and need to learn before I'm six feet under, and all they seem to do is draw a lot more often than other people. There are folks on Pixiv who pop out a new complete piece every 4-6 days, with studies in between. They also seem to decide exactly what they want to draw, learn only the things they need for that task, and get crazy good in that area before branching into others. Those people who draw anime pinups with pinpoint accuracy can't copy a photo or draw a house, and they don't need to because it doesn't serve their ends.

[Anonymous No.4538329]

[Anonymous No.4538344]

even as the op pic nobody has anything to say about tennis

[Anonymous No.4538347]

>>4537747
what should i change b4 i ink?

sry for this being so coomer

[Anonymous No.4538363]

>>4538347
You should stop chicken scratching.

[Anonymous No.4538371]

>>4538347
There's literally nothing wrong with being sketchy on your construct if you clean up afterwards. Try to work on doing straight lines.
I like that you have the sense of construction but it seems to me you drew the arms before the shoulders so they are misplaced causing the neck to be too long, tiddies too low and shoulders non-existent.
Also don't be afraid of tiddies if you're going to draw them just draw them I don't understand why you decided to give her a bra, brah.

[Anonymous No.4538374]

>>4538347
Stop drawing anime

[Anonymous No.4538384]

>>4538347
You're construction is a fair bit off but you're making the attempt to do it and over time you'll refine it. You should add a little bit more form to the hands and clothing before inking. I also have a habit of doing this with hands/feet. Maybe try having another layer for laying out where the clothing is going to be. The eyes seem pretty symbol drawn too.

You're trying and that's great. /ic/ can be sort of rude at times but it's clear you're TRYING to learn what to do, and that's good, even if it's pretty flawed right now.

[Anonymous No.4538389]

Not even memeing right now i'm 100% certain that the quickest way to git gud is to take adhd medications. Feels like i'm going to make it lads.

[Anonymous No.4538390]

>>4538238
Study the eye shape it self, it's composed of asymmetrical shapes and yours have no 3D component to it

[Anonymous No.4538391]

>>4537796
This isn't your diary you faggot, post your work.

[Anonymous No.4538396]

i wanna do cute showa idols

[Anonymous No.4538397]

arm studies from a while ago. almost got em, need to study forearm cross sections to solidify the shapes

[Anonymous No.4538406]

>>4538397
Very nice anon

[Anonymous No.4538416]

>>4537860
For how many hours have you been drawing on average daily?

[Anonymous No.4538420]

Face sketches

[Anonymous No.4538423]

First time, go easy on me.

[Anonymous No.4538452]

>>4538147
Yes but for what purpose?

[Anonymous No.4538454]

I've got dysgraphia and my handwriting has always been shit and a few days into drawing it's very difficult to get my pencil to go where I want it to and make lines that aren't extremely wobbly but I'm not sure if that is because I'm new at it or because my hands are retarded.

Is it going to be possible for me to draw or will I just be torturing myself?

[Anonymous No.4538456]

>>4538199
It will not slow down your learning curve but it will slow down your drawing. There are many features missing which makes it frustrating if you have experiences with better programms. Whats most annoying is that hotkeys are missing

[Anonymous No.4538474]

>>4538199
MS Paint doesn't have variable line weight which is a useful tool, and applying line weight is something that is necessary to learn. This makes using MS Paint a hindrance.

[Anonymous No.4538495]

>>4538423
I imagine It must be something more like that

[Anonymous No.4538496]

>>4538199
It's better to use a shitty program first, a really good way to practice is to disable ctrl-z so you don't need it every second.
>draw ontop of that poor quality construction
>draw ontop of that poor quality linework
>draw ontop of that poor quality shading
When it's too easy to make up for your mistakes you can get into a really bad habit, plus if you practice only making good lines it's going to be much faster to draw when you don't have to smash ctrl-z 50 times for every line you make.
Also i think pixel art/no AA is really pleasant to look at when people git gud.

[Anonymous No.4538497]

>post a bait terrible image on /beg/
>get genuine replies
I was taught a lesson in humility

[Anonymous No.4538500]

>>4538496
>It's better
no

[Anonymous No.4538501]

>>4537981
https://youtu.be/YzlYmpziED0

watch this and pay attention to the construction, then try to imitate him

also study perspective drawing lots of boxes and cylinders

[Anonymous No.4538503]

>>4538496
Don't listen to this /beg/

[Anonymous No.4538504]

any advice on how to fix this

[Anonymous No.4538510]

>>4538500
>>4538503
>It's better to use multiple crutches instead of using a method that rewards planning ahead and punishes chicken scratching
Post your work right now.

[Anonymous No.4538513]

>>4538510
you don't make demands of me, retard

[Anonymous No.4538523]

>>4538496
How is drawing on top of shitty lines supposed to be better practice for "drawing only good lines" than just redoing those lines until they're good?

[Anonymous No.4538528]

Is there something wrong with my process?

Construction -> rough sketch -> better sketch -> final linework ?

[Anonymous No.4538536]

>>4538347
Not /beg/

[Anonymous No.4538537]

>>4538528
No not really, it goes like that for me at first too. Perhaps add an even rougher sketching before the construction? Throwing some gesture lines?

[Anonymous No.4538540]

>>4538537
Good idea, I haven't thought of that at all, thank you

[Anonymous No.4538549]

I hate being bad.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.4538556]

The more I draw the more I feel like I'm not actually a beginner level artist, and actually I'm just a dumbass with a tablet who can use 10 hours of patience, layer manipulation and transform tools to cobble together things that look like a novice artist sketched them

[Anonymous No.4538566]

>>4538510
You still very high on the slope to the valley of despair.
scratches, crutches, ctrl-z i all of this is superficial.
there fundamentals of art and reality you need to worry about, not about how making process of using them unhandy. Things already much harder then you can handle

[Anonymous No.4538572]

It's back to boxes for this poor loser.

[Anonymous No.4538590]

>>4538572
>3189

[Anonymous No.4538592]

>>4538301
Anon here that gave you your last critique. I think you improved a lot good job at that, he details are better, she has way more softer complexion especially the eye area improved a lot.

However the arrangement of the face is still off. The head looks towards the left from looking at the eye and the nose but the mouth seems to face towards the camera (insert wolf face meme here). Same goes for the horns, the horn closer to us seem to curve backwards but the horn behind her head seems to curve towards the opposite direction for some reason.the back of the head still seems small for having a human. Finally she still seems to have a big bony chin which could be deliberate because she is some dragon/demon things but not if you want to make her beautiful.

I say keep working at it you seem to have learned a lot.

[Anonymous No.4538596]

>>4538549
Keep going anon. If you practice even just for a few minutes every day, you will steadily get better. It won't be immediate, but I can guarantee you will improve if you push yourself to practice.
Hope this was at least a bit encouraging.

[Anonymous No.4538600]

Fixed my pc so I was finally able to draw digitally again. What do you guys think of my warm ups?

[Anonymous No.4538605]

>>4538600
I didn't need to sleep anyway. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4538610]

>>4538600
Yankee with no brim

[Anonymous No.4538611]

>>4538605
Don't like my smiling character and his urban friend? He's very nice :))

[Anonymous No.4538614]

>>4538572
How do u have that kind of autism to grind over 3000 boxes

[Anonymous No.4538631]

>>4538572
>>4538614
To be fair, those are some really nice boxes.

[Anonymous No.4538633]

now I did something for today

[Anonymous No.4538641]

>>4538633
Not bad anon. It could be a big bigger, but overall nice attempt.

[Anonymous No.4538651]

Could I get a critique on my work?

[Anonymous No.4538652]

>>4538651
Not /beg/

[Anonymous No.4538659]

>>4538652
Didn't know where else to post it without making a thread, and the top 2 are shit so I figured /beg/

[Anonymous No.4538667]

>>4537747
Because there's no SQT up, how do I teach myself a specific style when there's no courses or books that I can follow that directly point to the given style?

Like say you want to learn how to draw anime, but there's no "How to draw anime" books or courses. How would you do it?

And before you say copying, I know that's a part of it. But how do you learn WHY the artist is doing what they're doing, to avoid becoming another copy?

[Anonymous No.4538687]

>>4538651
Anatomy is shaky, geometry not exciting => shading is 0 level, hand with a crow is giant,. everything in the same pose, like there single outline you confident with, eyes are stickers, where this upper arm grows from - who knows.
This as much mean me I can handle.

[Anonymous No.4538697]

Learning how to construct heads

[Anonymous No.4538704]

>>4538651
It is not bad Anon would be helpful to see a fully finished work.

[Anonymous No.4538736]

>>4538697
Loomis, Vilppu, Bridgman, Hampton, anybody.

[Anonymous No.4538738]

Fine ill try to learn anatomy, i just wish my sketches werent shit

[Anonymous No.4538741]

Forgot the image

[Anonymous No.4538744]

rate my shitty unfinished Artorias I guess

[Anonymous No.4538763]

>>4538744
0/10 but you already knew that.

[Anonymous No.4538764]

I used Loomis to construct this. But where does the hairline go on a Loomis circle? The distance from the hairline to the browline is the this your working with but where does the hairline go?!?

[Anonymous No.4538773]

>>4538764
Even this. I used Loomis but where does the hairline go? Hairline to the brow is the third your working with. So where does it go?

That guy didn't mention it in his book, the position of the hairline.

[Anonymous No.4538777]

>>4538773
>>4538764
I think he did not becasue the hairline is really questionable based on the hairstyle or how old/balding the person is.
On a side note I think yours look okay

[Anonymous No.4538779]

>>4538744
soul

[Anonymous No.4538780]

[Anonymous No.4538783]

>>4538763
I did but it helps to hear it from somebody else

[Anonymous No.4538791]

first face I have ever drawn that i dont think is dogshit
Yes I draw on post-its, because I enjoy slacking at work

[Anonymous No.4538793]

Got sick of trying to draw in a realist way, tried copying some styliced drawings
reference here (and yes, they are the real wakfu storyboards, so those nipples are canon) https://catbox.moe/c/4ndna4

[Anonymous No.4538800]

>>4538697
This looks really good, what book are you using?f

[Anonymous No.4538804]

>>4538420
Not bad, you used ref ?
Try coloring them now

[Anonymous No.4538833]

>>4538791
Need more Loomis

[Anonymous No.4538834]

>>4538659
Ignore "not /beg/" tranny, it's a troll

[Anonymous No.4538838]

>>4538777
If someone's bake wouldn't that make the third super long and in realistic then?

[Anonymous No.4538839]

>>4538800
I studied the Michael Hampton Figure Drawing book and mangamaterials anatomy pdf.

[Anonymous No.4538840]

i´m beg, learning about perpective right now.
i have tried to analyze this picture, but anon said i`m wrong. am i?

[Anonymous No.4538841]

>>4537894
Hello dare, stop being a schizo and go draw

[Anonymous No.4538842]

>>4538188
She cute. Kinda looks like the gril from Tokyo Ravens.

[Anonymous No.4538847]

hand size = head size?

[Anonymous No.4538849]

>>4538847
more like face

[Anonymous No.4538851]

>>4538840
Yes

[Anonymous No.4538857]

>>4538840
The perspective is way wider than on your analysis. Just think, theoretically the perspective ends at the corner of your field of view however the field of view one normally perceives for detail is like 30% of the total that is unconsciously viewed not on detail but for sudden movements as if you would be out in the jungle doing something.

[Anonymous No.4538864]

>>4538851
why, what`s wrong?
>>4538857
i think i`m to low iq for your explanation

[Anonymous No.4538874]

maybe something like that, I\m not sure

[Anonymous No.4538881]

>>4538874
give up

[Anonymous No.4538887]

>>4538874
it seems to be right, for the room. but in this case, the perspective of the people is very fucked up.

[Anonymous No.4538891]

>>4538881
Im some different person

[Anonymous No.4538892]

>>4538347
It's too early for you to try to deviate from the reference. Copy, reconstruct and internalize.

[Anonymous No.4538899]

i was watching villpu and was having trouble. i couldnt decide what color panties she would wear.

[Anonymous No.4538923]

I guess this belongs here. Crit my hands please. How do I make it less flat?

[Anonymous No.4538932]

>>4538923
>use resizing app to make sure its easier to post
>it turns the pic
Fucking hell

[Anonymous No.4538937]

>>4538504
not qualified to crit but this is my best take on it, the legs are drawn like they're rotated/at an angle but the ass and torso are drawn flat, so you either need to suggest, eg through clothes, the upper body is in flow with the bottom (it's an awkward section of the image to be working with because maybe you did this higher up), or redraw the legs to match the same pose, but rotated to match the torso

did that make sense? i got really into drawing over this I really like your crisp lines, i haven't been able to pick up my drawing table for anything but for some reason I really wanted to really look into your drawing, so thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4538942]

>>4538937
drawing tablet*
this terrible paintover but it's to show what i mean by drawing something on the clothes/re-drawing to show the torso can be rotated around so that you don't have to redraw the legs

[Anonymous No.4538950]

What’s a decent priced digital tablet that isn’t shit?

[Anonymous No.4538952]

>>4538950
any wacom you can afford

[Anonymous No.4538956]

feets

[Anonymous No.4538962]

>>4538592
Thanks again for the critique anon. I didn't fully reflect the horns because they're coming out around the temple and I didn't want to turn them that heavy, but I pushed the perspective and reversed the shadows to better reflect its position. I don't want to do any detailed work on it until it looks right so let me know if it's about right. I redid the lips, fixed up the neck, and did some detail work on the horn on our right.

Thanks for the critique, you help a bunch!

[Anonymous No.4538966]

>>4538347
You're going through the ritual of drawing "construction lines" without actually understanding construction. For example, the rib cage is roughly a 3D egg shape, and the bottom edges of the rib cage will "wrap around" the curved surface, like how Loomis heads start with lines wrapping around a sphere. That's how the shadows at the bottom edges of the rib cage in your ref get their shape. But you haven't shown that, you just drew the rib cage as a flat circle.
Pic related is an example of how to construct body parts so they look 3D.

[Anonymous No.4538971]

>>4538950
xp penis deco 01

[Anonymous No.4538975]

>>4538800
dumb impressionable /beg/

[Anonymous No.4538991]

>>4538510
Post yours, asshole

[Anonymous No.4538995]

>>4538937
thanks for the feedback anon, posted this in an earlier thread but you are the only reply.
pic related is an earlier version without the skirt + the full image. I know nothing about muscles and how they work there. I don't have alot of experience with drawing the hiparea as I usually cover it up in a long poofy skirt so I guess I'll look over it again.

what I most need an opinion on is her kneecap, does it look normal? should it look like that under a pantyhose? I feel like theres something weird about it.

[Anonymous No.4538996]

>>4538923
It helps to understand the 3D forms of the hand before trying to copy the contour lines exclusively. Bridgman is good for this

[Anonymous No.4538998]

>>4538937
thanks for the feedback anon, posted this in an earlier thread but you are the only reply.
pic related is an earlier version without the skirt + the full image. I know nothing about muscles and how they work there. I don't have alot of experience with drawing the hiparea as I usually cover it up in a long poofy skirt so I guess I'll look over it again.

what I most need an opinion on is her kneecap, does it look normal? should it look like that under a pantyhose? I feel like theres something weird about it.

[Anonymous No.4539000]

>>4538956
Cool.

[Anonymous No.4539006]

honest question to the people that are on the higher end of beg. how can you handle everything you make looking like a 12 year olds drawing? I start drawing something and it just kills all motivation because how shit it is.

[Anonymous No.4539014]

>>4539006
You have to be happy with the progress that you make, and watching the relative improvement of your newer drawings over the old ones, rather than with the absolute quality of your work.

[Anonymous No.4539023]

>>4538996
Thanks I'll look him up.

[Anonymous No.4539029]

>>4538996
>understand the 3D forms
eyes aren't 3D glasses
the human brain can't understand 3D forms

[Anonymous No.4539033]

>>4539006
I'd improve the things that stand out the most to you as being shit. Faces look like shit? make it your mission to learn to draw faces that satisfy you. I'd be very analytical about it.

[Anonymous No.4539051]

I have a sketchbook I'm dedicating to copying everything in FWAP

[Anonymous No.4539055]

All these small mistakes in placement and angles make the piece lose all expression compared to the ref. Should you exaggerate the expression like in gesture practice to get less blank faces in the long run?

[Anonymous No.4539056]

Trying to think in terms of 3d space makes my head hurt. I think I'm too brainlet to learn to draw, foreshortening and this page make almost no sense to me.

>>4537796
I feel you anon.

[Anonymous No.4539065]

>>4539056
come back to it later

first go learn perspective

the recommendations are Perspective Made Easy (for a book), or Erik Olson's Perspective video series (can probably find it in the video courses thread)

[Anonymous No.4539067]

>>4539056
Just go by feel, and stop worrying. Even loomis got some of those contours wrong.

[Anonymous No.4539072]

>>4539065
>>4539067
Thanks anon. I keep getting throwm off by how much you need to go by feel because I try to be autistic and analytical. I'll give perspective made easy a try.

[Anonymous No.4539081]

>>4538962
mouth is better but the overall shape of the head is still weirdly flat at the back

[Anonymous No.4539084]

Opinions before i colour it?

[Anonymous No.4539088]

>>4539084
i'm going to fix the squirrels, wanted opinions on the vixen.

[Anonymous No.4539091]

>>4539084
what is she holding in her hand?

[Anonymous No.4539097]

>>4539091
cigarr

[Anonymous No.4539104]

>>4539006
You feel bad because your drawings are ugly. Stop drawing from imagination. Drawing the ugly loomis heads is a demotivator to me. Copy attractive masterworks. Try bargue plates. I've been drawing Mucha and Gibson girls.

[Anonymous No.4539105]

[Anonymous No.4539108]

>>4539084

-clean up the linework
-smoke doesn't rise like that, you can use it to make really interesting shapes.
-the leg on right looks bent in at a weird angle, should maybe be coming more torward camera
-All of the objects in the seat/background are very flat and ambiguous. Try putting a bit more effort into them, especially the ones near the character, to define form.

[Anonymous No.4539109]

>>4538314
go to an art college and they'll tell you
we can't

[Anonymous No.4539110]

>>4538950

XP pen is amazing for the price. Even better than the lower end wacoms. Unless you're going for the Wacom 27, I would say any of the XP pen pro series beat it.

[Anonymous No.4539113]

>>4538899
your face is sideways. at that angle, you may actually see the bottom of the chin, look at reference.

[Anonymous No.4539130]

>>4538496

As a digital artist, take advantage of the tools that you have. Just because you cant do something in a traditional medium doesn't mean that its "Bad".

Nearly every professional artist I know says that ctrl+z should be the most used hotkey in your arsenal. lay down a line, and if its not the exact line you want, re-do it. over time, you will get better at putting whats in your head down on the page the first try.

[Anonymous No.4539132]

Retard here, drawing 1 sketch a day inbetween drawing lines and different shapes. YES i know im fucking shit and there are so many whack parts dont get me started on the foot its my first.

3 questions.
1 :Should i just be doing lines and shapes for now instead of actual shitty drawings?

2: Im learning basic pen skills atm and tried learning perspective and i understand how it works but do i really need to incorporate it into every piece/how the fuck do i?

3: whats the go to when forming pieces? off youtube i copied a dude who used a soft brush, then hard quick rough sketch, then a final sketch where he gets all the lines right, ive been doing his way but it takes fucking forever.

ty

[Anonymous No.4539134]

[Anonymous No.4539136]

>>4539051
the point is to invent your own blooks, not copy loomis exactly

fun with a pencil, not autism with a pencil

but those do look generally good for now

[Anonymous No.4539154]

>>4539136
I do take the time to make my own! I have a few other pages full so far. But I also want to copy *everything* in the book as well, so I'm doing both.

And thank you! They only take me about two minutes to do -- I'm not good at forcing myself to study so I'm trying to get through it the first time quickly.

[Anonymous No.4539156]

>>4539134
Why did you ignore my friendship?

[Anonymous No.4539160]

>>4539156
what?

[Anonymous No.4539161]

>>4539156
It's really cute.
What brushes did you use?

[Anonymous No.4539166]

>>4539132
>1 :Should i just be doing lines and shapes for now instead of actual shitty drawings?
Like in draw a box? No, fuck that shit.
>2
yes
>3
Everyone does it in a different way. There are no rules, so it's up to you

[Anonymous No.4539168]

>>4539161
i just used the default colored pencil in csp.

[Anonymous No.4539169]

[Anonymous No.4539182]

Top drawings are 2017, bottom is today. I should give up, right?

[Anonymous No.4539186]

>>4539182
You made progress. Your skill wen up. If you keep working, won't it keep going up?

[Anonymous No.4539191]

>>4539084
at least make it a two-finger hold pinky in the air situation that just looks awkward. it might look interesting to twist the torso slightly counterclocking so the pose doesn't look as plain.
and when you draw the line over this, make a layer where you copy it, and another where you get a bit more "stylised", but I prefer "expressive", basically just flick some lines around and make short little movements to keep the line quality varied and interesting, it's too controlled right now and I appreciate it's because you really like what you've come up with here - and you've got a cool concept and good imagination anon, but I think you'd be missing out on a better, more polished product if you make these little adjustments rather than just get to colouring just to see your baby come to fruition, give it time to develop, walk away from it and then come back and think - could I do better here? did I rush that? etc...

I think that's what you should think about before you colour it

[Anonymous No.4539193]

>>4539182
How long do you draw daily? Do you even draw daily?

[Anonymous No.4539196]

>>4539182
No, but you should really try to draw more often...

[Anonymous No.4539201]

>>4539182
amount of time passed is irrelevant metric.

[Anonymous No.4539202]

>>4539193
I don't draw daily, sometimes I go months without. Whenever I start I just think about how shit I am, how I never improve, how it's pointless to even try. Longest I'll draw for is 2 hours in a day, I get tired of it quickly.

[Anonymous No.4539205]

>>4539182
your sense of shading and facial structure improved, you got a little lazy with the hair and the clothing - just add some confident crease lines, shade the hair a different colour but with lighting in mind (dont just skate over in the same tone) and it'll do wonders for the contrast. then just clean up your lines and you've got about another half year of improvement down if you practice the same on your future pieces. be a little confident too, the whole "woe-is-me I suck" mentality literally only gets you so far. you gotta start thinking "wow look at me go" as you recognise your getting better and, as the other anon said, if you keep working, you'll progress will continue.

[Anonymous No.4539208]

>>4539205
>you'll progress will continue.
your*
fuck now they know i'm high

[Anonymous No.4539212]

>>4539202
You'll go nowhere with that attitude so you might as well give up now.

[Anonymous No.4539213]

>>4539182
practice - makes perfect
doesn't practice - x

x . practice = (makes perfect).(doesn't practice)
=> x = (doesn't practice makes perfect ) / practice
=> x = doesn't make perfect

[Anonymous No.4539217]

>>4539202
Don't expect gains to come quicker than what you've been getting, then. Sounds like you're just allowing yourself to succumb to too much mental bullshit. Get some therapy to deal with your attitude. Or move on to some other interest -- maybe drawing isn't for you.

[Anonymous No.4539220]

>>4539213
I do not speak autism.

[Anonymous No.4539230]

>>4539205
Thanks anon, i can see if your words translate to something.

[Anonymous No.4539240]

>>4539182
I'm sorry that everyone decided to dunk on you for this. I think there's clear progress between the top and bottom, even if it wasn't as much as you would have hoped for. If you can just start drawing every day, you'll make a lot more progress faster.

[Anonymous No.4539242]

>>4538687
Not very mean, thank you anon. I will work on my anatomy and shapes. What did you mean by
>like there single outline you confident with

[Anonymous No.4539244]

>>4537796
>>4537922
>>4537894
>>4537870
>>4537860
Stop fucking whining and post your work unironically

[Anonymous No.4539259]

>>4539244

[Anonymous No.4539262]

>>4539230
my bad, i'll summarise:
-your better at shading and drawing faces
-the hair and clothes were lazy - no shading, no details, no lines that show form
-you need more contrast (big range from light to dark)
-you need cleaner lines/less messy sketching
-you will keep getting better
-your attitude needs to change to being more positive

what language do you speak?

[Anonymous No.4539263]

>>4538166
cool
>>4538169
love the artstyle
>>4538173
boring
>>4538175
bad

[Anonymous No.4539268]

>>4538199
get a pad and pirate photoshop

[Anonymous No.4539270]

>>4538504
sexy legs
looks good to me

[Anonymous No.4539272]

>>4539259
not a fan of child porn, but the head/face are cute.

[Anonymous No.4539273]

>>4539272
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4539277]

>>4537747
So I've been working on a couple of robot sprites.
i would see if there is any way to improve them. Please try to use only the colors in the palette

[Anonymous No.4539278]

>>4539259
>>4539259
>CP
fuckin ell lad that's why you didn't wanna post, please don't again

[Anonymous No.4539281]

fruitcel

[Anonymous No.4539289]

>>4539262
I'm brittish.
What i meant was if i would be able to translate it onto the canvas, its still just a sketch after all.
i'm not really that pessimistic its nice to hear some criticisms, again thank you.

[Anonymous No.4539295]

>>4539242
>What did you mean by
>>like there single outline you confident with

[Anonymous No.4539297]

>>4539281
looks good, add some shadows.
the apple still looks a little bit flat though.

[Anonymous No.4539299]

>>4539259
I am the guy who made all those original posts and this is a false flag. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.4539301]

>>4539272
>a drawing
>child porn
lost

[Anonymous No.4539303]

>>4539299
What the fuck? No, I was the one that made those posts. Why are you doing this?

[Anonymous No.4539305]

>>4539244
Ignoring the troll and answering your question for real, there's literally nothing good that can come out of posting my work at this point, so I won't. I have posted in previous /beg/ threads for critique in the past, and I'll post again in future threads when I have something nee to show.

[Anonymous No.4539306]

is my anatomy off?

[Anonymous No.4539307]

>>4539306
Yes. You keep making torsos too wide

[Anonymous No.4539310]

>>4539306
feet have different size

[Anonymous No.4539311]

JANNIEEESSS

[Anonymous No.4539314]

chill with the child porn, please.

[Anonymous No.4539316]

>>4539314

[Anonymous No.4539321]

>>4539314
>>4539316
>tits
not a child

[Anonymous No.4539332]

>>4539306
Frame netony when it comes to moe characters leads to smaller torsos and bodies in general.

[Anonymous No.4539339]

>>4539307
>>4539310>>4539332

thanks, i made one foot smaller from forehortening and i thought that the torso was he right size, I'll make it smaller in the future.
Hopefully this looks better.

[Anonymous No.4539342]

>>4539339
You're "symbol drawing" the foreshortening. It's not as simple as things getting bigger if they're closer. The legs still look differently sized.

[Anonymous No.4539358]

>>4539270
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4539360]

>>4539339
It does look better, if you really want to learn how to foreshorten follow Teal's tips https://imgur.com/gallery/8eHzD/comment/86832928

[Anonymous No.4539384]

>>4539360
thank you, are there any more imgur guides like this

[Anonymous No.4539399]

>>4539384
https://imgur.com/gallery/JXfNc

[Anonymous No.4539423]

old enough?

[Anonymous No.4539426]

>>4539423
Fuck off, pedo.

[Anonymous No.4539427]

>>4538956
sneeds

[Anonymous No.4539436]

>>4539426
shes legal in my jurisdiction

[Anonymous No.4539463]

>>4539423
>Posting pizza
ALL PEDOS GET THE ROPE

[Anonymous No.4539497]

Anyone have that template frim awhile back that someone made that had you grind out drawing circles? I needa practice drawing with my shoulder.

[Anonymous No.4539500]

>>4538840
The floor you drew is too high up

[Anonymous No.4539514]

Absolute /beg/ here who started drawing just yesterday, mainly because of this guy's character designs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdW769bcm6k
https://youtu.be/MWNLxfZ0IwE?t=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhIScvlFn2w

How do i go about learning a similar style? Do i just trace his art until i can do my own? I've noticed that people recommend Vilppu a lot, but it seems his videos lean more towards realistic anatomy, does his stuff still apply to such a cartoonish style?

Sorry if any of my questions are retarded.

[Anonymous No.4539521]

>>4539514
Yeah, do that.

[Anonymous No.4539542]

[Anonymous No.4539545]

>>4539542
cute

[Anonymous No.4539552]

>>4539545
Not mine though is something a friend did months ago

[Anonymous No.4539559]

>>4539542
cute!

[Anonymous No.4539561]

>>4539552
Why are you posting it here? Don't be that faggot.

[Anonymous No.4539563]

>>4539542
ngl that's pretty cute

[Anonymous No.4539564]

>>4539542
Literally me!

[Anonymous No.4539566]

>>4539552
In my country we call that "cumming with someone else's dick"

[Anonymous No.4539569]

>>4539542
Jesus how cute is this thing

[Anonymous No.4539585]

>>4539542
I've never seen something as cute as this on /beg/. Good job Anon

[Anonymous No.4539599]

>>4539542
In my country we call this "cute with someone else's work"

[Anonymous No.4539602]

What's a good amount of time for an absolute beginner to grind out barebones shit a day? 1-3 hours I imagine? Anymore than that would probably make you risk burning out and getting discouraged I'm guessing. I'm a dirty NEET so time isn't something I need to ration.

[Anonymous No.4539605]

>>4539399
thanks

[Anonymous No.4539606]

>>4539599
Jesus there really are utter schizos on this board

[Anonymous No.4539609]

I'm currently practicing shading clothing and clothing folds from reference. Is this a decent attempt? Are there any tips I should be sticking to?

[Anonymous No.4539613]

>>4539602
I see this topic being asked regularly on how much time you need to spend doing this thing or the other. I don't seen any issues with having a schedule on what are you going to do or draw but planning isn't going to make you improve, you grind what you're looking forward to improve and that's that.
You should ask yourself how much time are you going to spend drawing rather than following the 'magic formula' of drawing 3hrs/5hrs/8hrs/14hrs, etc... By the way not everybody learn/improve at the same pace so make your own schedule people.

[Anonymous No.4539624]

>>4539602
My approach to it is grinding shit until i don't feel like it anymore, i started with a schedule but it felt too restricting.

[Anonymous No.4539628]

Time consuming

[Anonymous No.4539629]

>>4539613
Yeah I just tried to focus way too much on improving for hours when I was really young and it made me super impatient and fed up, which is why I gave up when I was a kid. Trying to avoid doing that again. I guess I hopefully won't go through that mindset as a grown ass man.

[Anonymous No.4539657]

I don’t think my art is ever going to get better.

[Anonymous No.4539665]

>>4539657
Can you art if you don't actually art?

[Anonymous No.4539673]

is it better?

[Anonymous No.4539675]

>>4539657
Don't worry, if you keep it up, and keep learning from your mistakes with each drawing, you'll get better :] Best advice I ever got was to "draw with your brain turned on", think critically about your mistakes as you draw. "This looks like shit, what could I do differently to make it better?" and go from there.

[Anonymous No.4539686]

>>4539675
While I THINK some technical aspects have improved over the last year (this being /ic I’m sure y’all will be happy to tell me no aspect of my work is good at all) my art still looks like shit. That is, it doesn’t look like the artists I like. Is “looking like someone else” a good measure of progress? Or at some point would I acknowledge I can only work in my style (if style exists and is t just a crutch) and just try to make that as good as it can be?

[Anonymous No.4539697]

Sketch i've been working on. Complete beginner here, I'm not satisfied by the hair and neck, and the overall shape of the head is weird.

Critique please, what should I focus on for now?

[Anonymous No.4539698]

>>4539686
If you want to definitively know if you've improved or not, I'd recommend drawing from life/realism as a measure of your ability to draw what you see (and not from symbols). If you can execute these exercises well, you can look back at your original, stylized work and see what you should pour your time into (ex- the faces are bland, the poses aren't dynamic, my compositions could use work, etc etc). Keep checking things off that list until you're happy.

Also, draw things outside your comfort zone, and preference, if you get the chance. You'll broaden your horizons and be able to implement techniques you wouldn't have thought to use before.

Early on, you can strive to make your art look similar to the artists you admire, but you should always be striving for your own individual "look"- It can be similar, sure, but don't try to replicate 100% of what you see from them.

Hope I could help!

[Anonymous No.4539703]

>>4539697
Nothing on this drawing is in place, good job Anon. You might as well start all over again and use construction this time

[Anonymous No.4539710]

>>4539703
Here it is with the underlying skelington.

Where did I go wrong? Was my original skelly bad?

[Anonymous No.4539716]

>>4539710
Yes, go look at real skulls.

[Anonymous No.4539717]

>>4539716
Cheers man

[Anonymous No.4539745]

>>4539710
Tip of the nose should be inline with the middle of the face, plus it looks very flat. Here's a reference skull

[Anonymous No.4539753]

>>4539277
That's really cool, are these for a game?

[Anonymous No.4539763]

>>4539629
If you're unable to understand that progress is a process achieved through a long period of time then it's a personal issue other than being childish

[Anonymous No.4539778]

>>4539698
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.4539783]

New thread

>>4539781 >>4539781 >>4539781

[Anonymous No.4539800]

>>4539763
Yeah I've never had good work ethic in my entire life. Working on it now though.

[Anonymous No.4539835]

>>4539753
Eh sort of, honestly I just wanted get some practice out of the way. Besides I can't animate so for now they are just a bunch of sprites.

[Anonymous No.4540025]

How do I improve upon my figure painting, I usually do a quick sketch of the reference to capture the feel and pull but when painting it feels like it goes stiff.

[Anonymous No.4540068]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4540148]

>>4539301
Digibro?

[Anonymous No.4540151]

First real attempt at a water color painting or just art in general probably since childhood.

I spent yesterday working on shading and washes. Having difficulty establishing where vanishing points are and drawing perspective well

[Anonymous No.4540690]