/beg/ - Beginner Thread - S O U L O O M I S

[Anonymous No.4529106]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the /draw/thread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, or you literally are never going to make it

previous >>4526251


READ THE STICKY if you need guidance.
Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

[Anonymous No.4529114]

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
NO FUN ALLOWED
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have atleast read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice.

[Anonymous No.4529130]

>>4529114
Yep. Keep this up.

[Anonymous No.4529136]

>>4529106

loondies & just draw

[Anonymous No.4529153]

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
DO NOT STUDY LOOMIS.
Don't ever think of buying a Loomis book.
It will harm your progress as an artist or even cement you as a perma-ngmi if you decide to start studying Loomis.

[Anonymous No.4529161]

>>4529114
last thread's rules were better

[Anonymous No.4529163]

>>4529153

[Anonymous No.4529179]

Normal people don't need to "grind fundamentals" or "study Loomis" to become better at drawing. They start drawing at an early age because they think it's cool, someone teaches them why they need to know, they get better at it naturally and end up becoming good at drawing and making it.

[Anonymous No.4529183]

>>4529179
We found the new rules for the next thread bois

[Anonymous No.4529185]

>>4529179
Yes I agree, if you want to learn how to draw you should just trace anime, that's the natural way to learn. If you don't improve just by tracing anime you are ngmi.

[Anonymous No.4529189]

>>4529179
Literally just draw. and copy. just copy people until you make it

[Anonymous No.4529193]

>>4529189
>until you make it
So, till you die?

[Anonymous No.4529197]

>>4529193
yes no one makes it until they die so they can finally stop drawing

[Anonymous No.4529209]

Is doing stuff like drawabox/loomis more for efficient use of time or actually necessary? I tried doing drawabox before and similar things but it's always hard for me to keep up/stick with it as I end up losing motivation as the exercises aren't really that enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.4529215]

>>4529209
They're all garbage memes that stifle actual progress

[Anonymous No.4529227]

>>4529215
What's the ultimate secret to improving then, anon? Please tell me...

[Anonymous No.4529228]

>>4529209
they suck just draw lol

[Anonymous No.4529233]

>>4529227
lol just draw!

[Anonymous No.4529236]

the background in this sucks, im sorry

[Anonymous No.4529266]

>>4529179
We're not 10years old anymore. We know the proper ways to do well and it's grinding fundies and loomis

[Anonymous No.4529273]

>>4529236
>only the background sucks
Ok there Crankers

[Anonymous No.4529277]

Proko is unironically better teacher than Loomis or Vilppu, prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.4529289]

>>4529277
agreed

[Anonymous No.4529300]

>>4529189
I remember my mom beating me when she found out I copied someone’s art when I was a kid.
Also she never wanted me to get art classes so I can have my very own style and technique without any influence. Not that I am great or anything today, I had a talent when I was a kid but I never tried harder than that when I was a teen and above. I still doodle for fun.

[Anonymous No.4529304]

>>4529209
I have never found grinding boxes by itself to be very useful. Maybe it's useful if you're very very new. An alternative method is to just start constructing things you want to draw using simplified 3D forms (not just boxes) right now, and identify and correct mistakes as you go.
The thing about "doing Loomis" is that if you're MERELY going through the motions of drawing a lot of Loomis heads, it's unlikely to help much. You need a certain level of mental engagement and critical thinking to get anything out of it. You need to be willing to practice construction as its own skill for a good amount of time, you need to be constantly identifying mistakes in your work and figuring out how to fix them. You need to be picking and choosing what sorts of tools you want to develop that fit your way of thinking and working, and fit the kind of art you want to make. There's a zillion different construction methods out there because construction is a rather personalized thing, and different people find affinities for different shapes and different ways of breaking things down.
Being able to apply this level of analysis to your own work requires a certain baseline level of mileage. You need to be able to look at your drawings and go, ok, that part doesn't look too bad, but this part looks wrong, and it's because the proportions are off, or it's because this form should be rotated more to the side, or whatever. That's the stage where you really start to see gains from practicing construction. When you're a complete and total beginner, everything you draw is equally shitty and wrong, and you have no vocabulary for articulating why besides "everything looks like shit". Thus new /beg/s treat Loomis heads like enemies in an MMO, aimlessly grinding out shitty heads in the hopes of gaining exp. Inevitably, when this doesn't produce any noticeable improvement, they conclude that Loomis and the idea of construction itself is a sham.

[Anonymous No.4529313]

>>4529304
Of course not everyone follows this exact path. Some people catch on faster than others. Some people are able to start making noticeable gains from practicing construction right away. Others needs to acquire more mileage and comfort with the pencil before they can really start being appropriately critical of their own drawings. We all learn at different paces.
If you feel like you're able to apply this level of thinking to your drawing, then "doing Loomis" could very well be beneficial to you, but you should also do Hampton, and Huston, and Bridgman, and study artists that you like, and really just absorb as much information as you can from as many sources as possible, because no one thinks or sees things exactly like you do and ultimately the responsibility will be on you to synthesize your own understanding.

[Anonymous No.4529348]

>>4529153
Somebody ban this guy

[Anonymous No.4529353]

How do I improve from this?
Are there too many mistakes?

[Anonymous No.4529357]

>>4529353
Not /beg/ if from imagination

[Anonymous No.4529364]

Discord Server friend did this, i wanna criticize but don't wanna sound harsh, so how about ya'll be harsh instead? Legit criticism here is welcome

[Anonymous No.4529370]

>>4529353
>>4529357
Just because they're better then you don't make them not /beg.
There's still plenty of basic anatomy mistakes. (In torso, back arms and legs.) Although I love when people attempt to draw hands the hands still require more work and same goes with the feet.

[Anonymous No.4529384]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1254029511261216770

So you should shade before you colour?
Interesting.
Where can I learn these like techniques to do shit quickly. Not Loomis and how-to-draw stuff but the most efficient way to do things within your software?

[Anonymous No.4529391]

Decided to bite the bullet and make a discord account.

Anybody want to be drawfriends?
Yuyuyuz#3763
My current level.>>4529353

[Anonymous No.4529392]

>>4529391
Yea but I'm worse than you

[Anonymous No.4529393]

>>4529391

[Anonymous No.4529402]

>>4529391
I'll join but only if you show proof that you're a tranny

[Anonymous No.4529409]

>>4529209
can you stick to anything else tho?

[Anonymous No.4529417]

>>4529391
Just made a discord too, guess having drawfrens could be a nice thing.

[Anonymous No.4529419]

>>4529236
yo legit, i find your shit kinda cute, just googling cankers don't give me squat, blease link me boss

[Anonymous No.4529420]

>>4529300
>I remember my mom beating me when she found out I copied someone’s art when I was a kid.
based as fuck

[Anonymous No.4529423]

>>4529419
i only post my art here

[Anonymous No.4529424]

actually i also have the board /gbtv/ on 64chan

[Anonymous No.4529428]

>>4529423
oh, so screw seeing more from you alright

[Anonymous No.4529433]

>>4529428
>>4529419
based if I don't say so myself.

[Anonymous No.4529439]

Thoughts on using grids?

[Anonymous No.4529440]

>>4529433
Legit thoe i wanna see more from this guy, there is no fucking IMGUR or no nothing? Art may not be good but it has a cute charm to it, like some indie comic artist vibe. I fucking want to see more of it.

[Anonymous No.4529502]

Heres some remake loomies

[Anonymous No.4529503]

>>4529502

[Anonymous No.4529504]

>>4529503

[Anonymous No.4529506]

im slow at studying but i started fun with a pencil!!

[Anonymous No.4529510]

>>4529502
>>4529503
>>4529504
>>4529506
Based Loomy grinders I don't remember a thread with this much soul in while

[Anonymous No.4529519]

This got me flagged as an image containing a sexualized minor, how can i avoid this shit when i really like skinnier characters

[Anonymous No.4529534]

>>4529519
By not drawing minors or if you can't resist the jailbait have them to wear clothes

[Anonymous No.4529535]

I added this dude and he just doesnt accept for 45 minutes

[Anonymous No.4529540]

>>4529440
i post on /bant/ and i also have a board on 64chan /gbtv/

[Anonymous No.4529541]

>>4529510
that's what happens when we arnoldpost. the thread becomes soulful

[Anonymous No.4529551]

I want to get a tablet because I'm tired of fumbling with pencil and paper and I like the idea of being able to ctrl+z instead of erasing, is XP-Pen artist 15.6 a good option? I also have enough money to get cintiq 16 but I'm afraid of the buyer's remorse since I'm still a shitty beg and XP is significantly cheaper.

[Anonymous No.4529553]

>>4529519
How the fuck does this get classified as a minor? It's closer to adult female proportions than underage girl proportions.

[Anonymous No.4529571]

>>4529534
Bruh that's a petite adult woman any way you slice it. And she isn't naked either.
>>4529553
I don't know, shes got a long neck, strong legs, big tits and ass. The only thing remotely child like is the face which is just generic big eyed animu and the hips, which i prefer to not be too wide...
Do the censors want to convince me minors look like this?!

[Anonymous No.4529578]

>>4529391
Does this actually work?
I want art friends too nef#2504

[Anonymous No.4529599]

>>4529571
It's always the same old story, (((they))) want to convince you that girls actually look like attractive adult women and that "real wahmen" are sacks of lard.
It's just typical mindfuck black OPs don't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.4529601]

>>4529578
Pizza butt

[Anonymous No.4529629]

please critique, I feel like my anatomy is really off.

[Anonymous No.4529643]

>>4529629
This is pedo
>>4529519
This is not

[Anonymous No.4529649]

>>4529643
How do I make it less pedo?
I use boxes to construct and it ends up looking like that unless it's a really curvy women.

[Anonymous No.4529652]

>>4529649
dw, pedo is good

[Anonymous No.4529656]

>>4529652
ok, but is the anatomy off?

[Anonymous No.4529664]

What do you listen to when drawing?
I listen to most japanese songs, nightcore and occasionally pop punk.

[Anonymous No.4529665]

>>4529656
seems decently fine to me, but i'm beg

[Anonymous No.4529667]

>>4529664
Hiphop and R&B

[Anonymous No.4529673]

tried to draw my sister from a photo. any tips on how to improve?

[Anonymous No.4529677]

>>4529673
Post pics of your sister so I can critique accordingly

[Anonymous No.4529681]

[Anonymous No.4529689]

>>4529673
Stop drawing spaghetti hair. See this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHewz3JbKrQ

[Anonymous No.4529692]

>>4529681
I love your animal drawings btw, they're so full of soul

[Anonymous No.4529696]

So I'm supposed to just look at stuff and draw it? Is that how one gets better?

[Anonymous No.4529701]

>>4529689
What is so wrong about this 'spaghetti' hair you're talking about

[Anonymous No.4529704]

>>4529696
The fuck are you talking about

[Anonymous No.4529711]

>>4529696
You're supposed to analyze stuff as to better understand their basic structure in terms of simple geometric shapes and volumes.

[Anonymous No.4529713]

>>4529689
thanks! there's totally a lot to work on

[Anonymous No.4529714]

>>4529701
Different anon but he's right. The issue is that it's very flat and doesn't properly convey the volume that real hair has.

[Anonymous No.4529716]

keys to drawing is so fucking hard for me, i can't draw my fucking hand, was i supposed to start with fun with a pencil? what was i supposed to start with
p-please help

[Anonymous No.4529730]

>>4529696
Well take me as an example, people told me to 'just draw' and so I just did

[Anonymous No.4529736]

everyone can draw his hand. not everyone will have result closely resembling real thing
I do not know what book is about but I'm doubt it expect from beginner student perfect result, just do it to extend of your ability. If lack of immediate perfect result make you abandon thing Im doubt you will get anything done.

[Anonymous No.4529746]

>>4529716
Post your work anon
Draw a box
draw a bunch of boxes that are arranged to look like a hand
make a face out of boxes

[Anonymous No.4529763]

I just haven't felt like putting in effort these last two days when I'm drawing.

I must be in a slump.

[Anonymous No.4529767]

>>4529730
>>4529696
youre supposed to grind fundies and read.
not "just draw"

[Anonymous No.4529790]

How long until it clicks?
I've been stuck at a beginer stage for ages. I just want to move on.

[Anonymous No.4529794]

>>4529790
give it 46.7 hours of focus and it'll click

[Anonymous No.4529808]

[Anonymous No.4529812]

I'm a brainlett please explain what are fundies and how do I grind them.
Is it just drawing a body part over and over?

[Anonymous No.4529817]

How are the proportions on these? Homeboy with the under-bite looks a bit wonky from the front.

Yeah I know my lines aren't straight

[Anonymous No.4529820]

>>4529519
>>4529553
big eyes + small body = kid

[Anonymous No.4529824]

>>4529812
read the sticky m8. there's literally a section in there called "the fundamentals"

[Anonymous No.4529827]

Any feedback on these sketches?

[Anonymous No.4529834]

where do i learn anatomy from?

[Anonymous No.4529839]

>>4529834
loomis

[Anonymous No.4529872]

What's the alternative to loomis since people talk like he sucks at teaching

[Anonymous No.4529877]

>>4529872
Proko

[Anonymous No.4529879]

>>4529839
>>4529877
Vilppu

[Anonymous No.4529918]

>>4529696
No.
You can't just look at an object and slap down a drawing. You need to understand how to break shit down.

[Anonymous No.4529929]

>>4529918
Okay is this supossed to be a good or a bad example

[Anonymous No.4529935]

>haven't drawn for 2 days straight.
>dreamt I spent my 20s just playing vidya and leaving art and coding aside
>in the end I had to work 2 part time jobs and I just killed myself.
>Wake up feeling really cold and sweating a lot
>turn on PC and go do Vilppu stuff the whole day.

shit mang.

[Anonymous No.4529945]

top was taking a break from studies to see how much I retained. still got a lot of work to do

[Anonymous No.4529947]

>>4529918
based but make it an elf

[Anonymous No.4529948]

[Anonymous No.4529950]

>am begginer but loomis seems to fluid and complicated so studying bridgman because cubes

is this a total fuck up and waste of time and should study loomis or it's possible to start to learn from bridgman (to get a more structural and 3d aproach)?

[Anonymous No.4529951]

>>4529945
im also retarded and forgot pic

[Anonymous No.4529965]

>>4529834
Bridgeman

[Anonymous No.4529972]

>>4529950
Bridgman should be your next step following Loomis. Loomis will set the foundations of your knowledge, Bridgman will fill in the details. If you try to go straight from Bridgman you'll flounder and waste a lot of time. Trust me on this because I did it.

[Anonymous No.4529978]

>>4529834
Coomis

[Anonymous No.4529998]

Is Loomis the place to start if I'm totally at 0 technical skills wise? Like, I understand the idea of the fundamentals, but I can't draw a single line without it looking like shit. If I grind out simple lines and shapes will that help?

[Anonymous No.4530005]

>>4529972
k, will swallow my pride and learn loomis

thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4530007]

>>4529929
>filename
I'm incapable of getting a likeness for him because I don't know how to FEEL THE FORM
I can't define his features or measure them correctly

[Anonymous No.4530046]

comrades, what can i improve?

[Anonymous No.4530068]

>>4529827
>>4529817
stop symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.4530104]

>>4529948
nice pubes

[Anonymous No.4530115]

>>4529681
>"it's just my style" face

[Anonymous No.4530129]

>>4529540
yonkers...

[Anonymous No.4530137]

>>4530068
How can you tell when someone is symbol drawing?

[Anonymous No.4530140]

>>4529106
Is it ok to stop drawing if you don't feel like it or should you keep pushing yourself?

[Anonymous No.4530148]

>>4530140
If you want to get good you have to push yourself, simple as that.

[Anonymous No.4530218]

Loomis should have more text. I never understand what he's trying to say.
I also don't know why he draws circles for the cheeks and chin if hes going to erase them later anyway - why not draw them directly? Seems like you need a lot of expertise to correctly construct a feature out of a circle

[Anonymous No.4530227]

>>4529716
Loomis is so much harder than keys to drawing for me. I think you're supposed to start with ktd

[Anonymous No.4530248]

>>4530218
I found the cheeks and chins confusing. It seemed like there was a logic to everything else but especially the cheeks seemed to represent something different each time. Is it the zygo? Is is the cheek skin? Does it intersect/effect other feature? Sometimes. I get that he can make those decisions with experience, but I found it frustrating my first stab at fwap

[Anonymous No.4530259]

>>4530005
Good lad. You're gmi.

[Anonymous No.4530283]

ive been tryna figure out how to get that nice comic-y look :0
still fuckin around as a beg but id love to improve n i would love advice on coloring n getting away from the strawman sketch thing lmao
thanks :)

[Anonymous No.4530299]

>>4529965
YOOO I FUCKIN LOVE THIS
great job dude

[Anonymous No.4530301]

>>4529918
damn do you post anywhere?? itd be nice to see more of ur stuff to ref

[Anonymous No.4530306]

>>4529153
Wait is this guy for real or trolling. I know this might be a stupid question, but I'm on a beg thread what do you expect

[Anonymous No.4530310]

I’m trying to go more for “cute” with my goblin. I’m failing at that.

[Anonymous No.4530315]

>>4529519
This is fucking good, very nice use of colors

[Anonymous No.4530318]

>>4530306
Im also a beg, but everytime I use Loomis my drawings get 80% worse.

[Anonymous No.4530350]

>>4529918
How do you learn how to break things down? Is whatever process you're supposed to use explained somewhere?

I don't even know what I'm supposed to be thinking about when I try to draw something. I'm basically just throwing lines down at random in the hope that they will magically end up resembling the object in question.

[Anonymous No.4530374]

Why do I feel like the midget version actually looks better than the bigger version?

[Anonymous No.4530375]

>>4530374
based futa chad. but no it needs a lot of work

[Anonymous No.4530379]

>>4530375
I meant between the two of them

[Anonymous No.4530381]

>>4530374
lower part of the face is fucked for starters.

[Anonymous No.4530382]

>>4530374
Because the miniature version is simplified with less details that compliments a smooth and delicate figure

[Anonymous No.4530386]

I tried drawing a few portraits but y'all are crabs and I'm not going to post them. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.4530387]

>>4530382
>>4530381
What I want to draw is a Milf-y/venus anime type Dark Elf Futa, but I hate it when I sketch for hours and it still looks terrible.

[Anonymous No.4530390]

>>4530387
The solution is to keep trying.

[Anonymous No.4530396]

>>4530386
based

[Anonymous No.4530406]

>>4530374
>>4529519
>>4529578
>>4529629
>>4529353

Please work on drawing refs of real humans. It will help you when you draw figures that aren't naturalistic because you won't have to guess anywhere near as much. Otherwise, your poses, proportions, anatomy, and dimensional grasp will essentially be highly flawed guesswork. It is smart to start small without getting into values/colors and not get too attached to your exercises. Enjoy yourself, have fun projects, and don't let yourself get burned out from creating art, but remember that you will improve significantly if you study the foundations and your experience creating the things you want will become more enjoyable and solid as a result

Also, to any of the pedophiles: stop being pedophiles.

[Anonymous No.4530407]

>>4530137
Every facial feature looks flat like a sticker

[Anonymous No.4530413]

>>4530406
Good advice, but that image is cringe.

[Anonymous No.4530429]

>>4530306
50%. Construction is really important but loomis does a shit job explaining

[Anonymous No.4530434]

>>4530413
cope

[Anonymous No.4530436]

>>4530406
So to be able to draw a half naked woman, I need to learn how to draw a naked man?

[Anonymous No.4530444]

i swear one day ill feel the form harder than catholic priests feel kids

[Anonymous No.4530453]

>>4530386
Don't be such wuss and pyw

[Anonymous No.4530470]

>>4530434
Nigga I ain't drawing no damn futuristic jets

[Anonymous No.4530480]

>>4529106
>>4529817
>>4529827

These images are why I am against recommending Loomis to /beg/. Studying basic Loomis is essentially studying cartoons which is not at all what beginners should be doing. Please, beginners, study real humans or images of real humans using websites like these:

https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/timed
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing

/ic/ also usually has a reference thread and you can obviously find your own images to study. Beginners need to improve their sight drawing as well as construction, and simply studying cartoons isn't going to help build the necessary foundations. Sight drawing is an essential part of learning fundamentals!

[Anonymous No.4530494]

>>4530480
thanks for the warning, i knew smth felt off about loomis

[Anonymous No.4530517]

>>4530480
Even with the two minutes drawings I can't even find the time to start drawing faces.

[Anonymous No.4530521]

anatomy

[Anonymous No.4530524]

>>4530517
If things are too quick, you can always just screenshot an image you like or set a custom timer. Take the time you need to learn, and alternate between short/long exercises. Shorter exercises are good as warmups that get your mind in the flow of prioritizing what matters most before you get into further detailing.

[Anonymous No.4530526]

>>4530521
Super good. I need to get started on doing exercises like this.

[Anonymous No.4530533]

>>4530480
What if my goal is to be able to draw cartoons?

[Anonymous No.4530537]

>>4530533
Same, but instead of cartoon, it's anime.

[Anonymous No.4530542]

>>4530533
>>4530537

refer to >>4530406

Practically everyone on this fucking board wants to draw cartoons. Regardless of what your end goal is, you need a foundation to build upon if you want your cartoons to look anywhere near decent. I hop you don't ignore this now and wonder down the line why your art looks like shit and why you aren't improving

[Anonymous No.4530550]

>>4530480
why do people seem to interpret "do loomis" as "copy every drawing in the book". It literally says in his book not to copy his drawings and instead to draw on your own or from life (using the construction method illustrated).

[Anonymous No.4530554]

>>4530550
because their stoopid

[Anonymous No.4530561]

>>4530480
>>4530542
So how would you recommend using these exercises as a complete beginner? I've got a pencil and some printer paper, just jump in and have at it, see how it goes?

[Anonymous No.4530569]

Is this looking more Milf-ish than that>>4530374

[Anonymous No.4530571]

>>4530406
Could you at least tell me where I messed up>>4529629. It's heavily referenced.

[Anonymous No.4530572]

>>4530521
Where are you learning this from?
What book?

[Anonymous No.4530574]

>>4530561
With sight drawing, make sure to look at what you are drawing far more than you look at the page. An instructor of mine explained it as the "90/10 rule", aka 90% looking and 10% drawing. You are improving how you see, and how you absorb the visual information that you are studying. Your skills in this area will only improve with practice over time, so don't be discouraged when your exercises look shitty.

Shorter exercises = focus on the gesture using simple lines. Look up "gesture drawing" if you have no idea what I'm talking about.

Longer exercises = apply what you've learned after doing gesture drawings and build up your other sight drawing skills. Notice the negative space to help you accurately gauge the proportion and distance of things in the image.

Also, remember not to draw too small, especially on printer sized paper. You will only be hurting yourself if your exercises are as tall as your thumb.

[Anonymous No.4530579]

>>4530574
I'll give it a shot. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4530589]

>>4530579
Good luck!

[Anonymous No.4530591]

>>4530374
Looks flat and stiff. You might want to do some figure studies.

[Anonymous No.4530600]

How do I get skin to not look like plastic in B&W ?

[Anonymous No.4530624]

>>4529106

[Anonymous No.4530659]

>>4529998
i've been doing this series for about a week (currently on stage two) https://design.tutsplus.com/series/how-to-learn-to-draw--cms-890
it totally helps with drawing lines and seeing distance

[Anonymous No.4530662]

>>4530374
Here Anon, I tried to iron out the details a bit. Adding one more level of shading, changing the shadows to fit the light direction from the top right, made the eyes somewhat thinner and pushed the the lips to left. Her hands were uneven the one on the right side was way bigger than the other, make sure you keep an eye on the symmetry of the body.

[Anonymous No.4530664]

>>4530600
doesn't look like plastic to me

[Anonymous No.4530667]

feets

[Anonymous No.4530676]

How do you practice drawing humans? I have no idea what to do with these books

[Anonymous No.4530684]

>>4530676
rip the pages out and shove them up your ass, when you have finished you will be able to draw a photorealistic human being

[Anonymous No.4530690]

my thumb hurts

[Anonymous No.4530704]

>>4530690
why did you do this

[Anonymous No.4530705]

I have no fucking clue what's going on here.
I can barely see an arm in here.

[Anonymous No.4530728]

>>4530310
I think you are on the right track, you use soft rounded forms and overall it seems to be more cutesy.

[Anonymous No.4530738]

>>4530704
Focus, patience, conditioning, control, etc

[Anonymous No.4530740]

Today’s anime study

[Anonymous No.4530742]

/beg/, how do I make my hatching nice? My proportions are getting better but my rendering is shite

[Anonymous No.4530747]

>>4530705
Look for pictures of arms in those positions and compare them.

[Anonymous No.4530754]

>>4530740
You need to flip your canvas more. Take a walk in between working etc.

There are more broken bones in there than healthy bones.

[Anonymous No.4530763]

>>4530301
https://twitter.com/NsfwShedra
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/49455588/illustrations
I draw a lot of green tits

[Anonymous No.4530765]

>>4530350
"draw like a sculptor"
If you can bang out andross from Starfox real quick then you basically get how a face actually looks.
Moving the lines around adjusts the depth of the cheekbones and eyesockets
Drawing is a technical skill

[Anonymous No.4530767]

>>4529179
Is this the /ic/ version of pic related?

[Anonymous No.4530770]

>>4530690
It gives me that weird melty image optical illusion and I don't like it

[Anonymous No.4530771]

>>4530705
Did Proko get meme'd so hard that people don't watch him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBoQuCoQ7co&t=63s

[Anonymous No.4530785]

>>4530600
you think this is /beg/? (inb4 yes and you're beg for thinking otherwise)
>>4530704
autism

[Anonymous No.4530787]

I don't know what i'm doing.

[Anonymous No.4530792]

No idea what i'm doing,

[Anonymous No.4530796]

>>4530767
God this is based

[Anonymous No.4530835]

>>4530785
monkey see monkey do. Monkey see texture but monkey can't do. I can't seem to make skin look like skin. Don't know if I need to make a special brush or first have to understand how is done without.

[Anonymous No.4530841]

>only ever lurk this thread
>just look at the other anon's artworks to see how I compare
>mfw there hasn't been a single artist worse than me so far
This used to depress me but now I feel like a shounen character during his training arc

[Anonymous No.4530842]

>>4530792
Stick to headshots sweetheart

[Anonymous No.4530844]

>>4530841
But like you're literally in /beg lmfao most people here draw for like 2 months then quit.

[Anonymous No.4530846]

>>4530844
If you're as terrible as me, there is no greater feeling than knowing you can only get better

[Anonymous No.4530847]

>>4530842
Yeah Ik lmfao also kinda gay ngl to call a guy sweetheart.

[Anonymous No.4530849]

>>4530844
>anon thinks hes better than 40 year olds who started drawing a week ago
imagine how sad your life has to be where you feel good about something like that

[Anonymous No.4530861]

>>4530315
thanks for the luv brother. I did focus my attention on colors on that piece, but fucked up anatomy a bit

[Anonymous No.4530882]

>>4529918
"Likeness" is the least of your concern buddy.
You've failed to translate anything from the ref accurately. So I suggest you follow your own advice.

[Anonymous No.4530890]

>>4530742
Draw larger, or use a smaller pencil/brush. Focus on making straight lines, parallel to each other, not S curve scribbles. Hatching is one of the few legit "grinds", you have to just do it until it becomes muscle memory.
Also, try working with only crosshatching, as an exercise. Don't use values like this, only use solid lines to get the same results, or close to it. Go look up the masters of it, like Dore and Durer. You can mis the two, but while trying to get a handle on it, stay with one or the other to really see how to build value.
One assignment we did in college was to fill boxes, like 1" square, with cross-hatching, trying to go from say 10%, to 90%, in a row. You learn how much linework and what density to get closer to the values you want. (Obviously, with a pure crosshatched drawing, you wouldn't want to use a toned page, at least not at first.)

[Anonymous No.4530895]

>>4530283
Theres a lot of coping in this drawing to hide/avoid anatomy that intimidates you.
Your only focus should be anatomy now.

[Anonymous No.4530899]

Have some Bubblehead Knight being a badass. I had some trouble with the background but I think I got it right? It'll be mostly ground from that angle. I also left the lineart messy, does it get a pass?

Anyway, pic theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iz2sfBKVwI

[Anonymous No.4530900]

Alright this will sound weird but I REALLY need help with this. I have some really old drawing books that I want to preserve, my grandfather learned how to draw using them and he was pretty good.

I want to both make digital copies of them and preserve individual sheets. Since the paper is already frail I don't have the option of putting them on those portable scanners which require the paper to go through them, I'll need a handheld scanner that I can use to swipe on top of the paper, but this is such a niche market that amazon reviews seem to be useless here.

When it comes to archival of the paper I'm thinking about visiting a local archive and asking where to buy the proper plastic bags, because I know that they cannot have certain properties.

As a reward, if I get any help at all from here I'll post the digital archive for download for as long as possible. Since I value the sharing of information.

[Anonymous No.4530905]

>>4530900
download Adobe Scan to your phone mang, it makes your phone into a portable scanner

[Anonymous No.4530907]

>>4530690
Congratulations, you wasted your time.

[Anonymous No.4530909]

>>4530905
My phone's camera is absurdly shitty. And it would be cheaper to buy a portable scanner than a new phone.

[Anonymous No.4530911]

>>4530480
not to be that guy, but pyw

[Anonymous No.4530914]

>>4530911

[Anonymous No.4530917]

>>4530844
Not that anon but most people who just started drawing are usually already better than me

[Anonymous No.4530919]

>>4530914
.... i can't say i'm pleased with what i see :/

[Anonymous No.4530932]

>>4530899
It also looks cool with full black

[Anonymous No.4530933]

>>4530914
oh no no no... I'm gonna... LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO

[Anonymous No.4530941]

>>4530933
He's better than you and we both know you're going to pussy out and not pyw.

[Anonymous No.4530944]

>>4530941

[Anonymous No.4530951]

>>4530944
pyw doesn't mean post a study that you did from reference. :^)

[Anonymous No.4530954]

>>4530951
I mean, if he posted a study this poorly executed, I can't imagine the actual work.
Well at least he has some nuts

[Anonymous No.4530956]

>>4530951
here you go

[Anonymous No.4530958]

>>4530956

i saw that one quite some time ago here anon, i doubt that's yours :/

[Anonymous No.4530965]

>>4530956
why not use the size it was posted in ?
https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/4496725/#4497809

[Anonymous No.4530966]

>>4530944
>>4530956
BASED fundiechad dabbing on cartoon shitters

[Anonymous No.4530976]

>>4530966
I prefer the Corona-chan by a good margin, although in terms of execution they're pretty equal.

[Anonymous No.4530980]

>>4530958
Yeah, the line quality in the study is dogshit. I think the anime anon is still better though.

[Anonymous No.4530987]

>>4530765
Sculpting something grants me no insight on how to draw it, unfortunately. Sculpting is something I find intuitive, since you can recreate something as it actually appears or should appear. Drawing, meanwhile, seems to be about crafting complex illusions: you arrange clusters of lines (which don't even exist) on a 2D plane, and the result somehow ends up being interpreted by the human mind as a 3D object. I don't know how to approach that task, regardless of the subject. It might sound like I'm being deliberately obtuse, since this seems to just come naturally to a lot of people, but I really have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing. I can copy existing drawings fairly well, but I'm completely lost if I try to draw an object that's right in front of me.

Right now I'm alternating between studying perspective and playing around with wrapping lines in the hope that this all just clicks together at some point.

[Anonymous No.4531030]

>>4530844
>>4530849
i don't think you read >>4530841 correctly. he's saying he's yet to see someone worse than him. worse, not better.

[Anonymous No.4531055]

Aaah I cant do it bros ive been going strong for three weeks

I think im gonna take a week break

[Anonymous No.4531061]

>>4531055
>I think im gonna take a week break
famous last words of a /beg/gar

[Anonymous No.4531063]

>>4531061
Its just tiring Bro.. I've got way too big of an ego that I ain't even having fun at all.

[Anonymous No.4531068]

>>4531063
I jest bro. Taking a break is a crucial part of improving. As long as you return to the grind afterwards.

[Anonymous No.4531082]

>>4530453
I'm not a wuss, I've just learned that this site is complete shit and unhelpful. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.4531089]

>>4531082
It's not crabbing to say that shitty beg work looks like shitty beg work.

[Anonymous No.4531103]

I've been fooling around with drawing and animation the past few years but never really sat down and practiced Loomis or the Fundies. THis morning said fuck it and made these two pages. Any tips or critiques you could give a /beg/?

[Anonymous No.4531104]

>>4531103
Also me, second page. Sorry if image quality sucks ass.

[Anonymous No.4531121]

>>4530429
This I have such a hard time reading loomis as a /beg/. So I go around external resources THEN come back to loomis then it finally makes sense. So finishing a book would probably take me ages.

Honestly his books just reminds me of programming pocket books that you call for reference when you're a bit rusty.

[Anonymous No.4531138]

>>4531055
>I think im gonna take a week break
see you tomorrow

[Anonymous No.4531142]

>>4531138
>implying I have that much willpower

i would've made it by now if I did anon

[Anonymous No.4531144]

>>4531103
>>4531104
You're ignoring the construction and symbol drawing what you think those silly loomis heads should look like.
Actually follow the instructions.

[Anonymous No.4531145]

>>4530771
>>4530771
first comment

[Anonymous No.4531152]

>>4530386
childish tantrum

[Anonymous No.4531153]

So one day loomis is based and redpilled, the next day loomis is cringe and bluepilled.

So who do I go to to learn construction?

[Anonymous No.4531155]

>>4531144
I thought I was, I used construction underneath them but erased it. I don't understand how I wasn't following the instructions.

[Anonymous No.4531173]

>>4531153
Unironically nsio's infographics helped me more than any of the meme books.

[Anonymous No.4531175]

any good resource on human body and face structure?
why are proportions like that? how do they work?
what makes face look wrong?
what makes face look appealing?
when you construct something from reference do you measure or eyeball it? how does one you train eyeballing? I am not used to concept

[Anonymous No.4531181]

>>4531173
>nsio's infographics
Where can I find them? Are they in one of the megas?

[Anonymous No.4531182]

>>4530521
BLOG

[Anonymous No.4531184]

As an absolute beginner who can’t draw ellipticals, should I start traditional or just buy a digital pad? Would it just be worth to go straight for it so I don’t have to re learn digital later?

[Anonymous No.4531221]

>>4530521
Not /beg/

[Anonymous No.4531223]

>>4529629
Why can I see that much of the side of her breast? It makes her arm look way too small proportionally, she looks like a child (is that the intention?). Also, her buttocks also simply don't go far up enough, and her cranium is too circular. I'd recommend you look into Hampton and Vilppu's stuff for anatomy and form, as well as the landmarks of the body (for example, the sacrum is a handy landmark for drawing the buttocks, Proko has a good video on that, Hampton has a section dedicated to that in his book as well). And if you want to learn how to make your stuff "less pedo", look into the proportions of the human body, I believe Loomis could help you out in that regard.

[Anonymous No.4531239]

>>4531223
It is a child, 8 year old are not supposed to have side boobs. I don't get why would you make such an effort of trolling the CP poster when it's pretty much obvious what is going on in that picture

[Anonymous No.4531258]

>>4531181
They're in the tutorial thread that just got archived and probably on his deviantart too, just google nsio

[Anonymous No.4531270]

[Anonymous No.4531281]

>>4531152
Stay in your hole, crab.

[Anonymous No.4531289]

>>4531184
You do you boss

[Anonymous No.4531295]

>>4531184
you can grind fundies on digital and lots of artists have been almost digital exclusive since they started out

but ask yourself whether it's just you wanting to hoard materials instead of putting in the hours

>>4531270
great clipping on the elbow

quite a few parts are too blurry (iris, eyelashes, chunks of hair). try to make a piece where you have only one line layer and only one colour layer, without using extensive selections or masks because this just looks like you took several parts and glued them one atop of the other

>>4531281
medium strength bait

>>4531175
watch steve huston's head video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

if you like this first part (3h) go and pick up the other parts in the video courses thread here on /ic/

he talks a lot about the proportions and structure, and what makes faces look wrong

> when you construct something from reference do you measure or eyeball it? how does one you train eyeballing?

can't say you can do much more than just drawing/eyeballing until it looks right :/

[Anonymous No.4531297]

This is all so tiresome
I just wanna draw cute girls.

[Anonymous No.4531299]

>>4531297
literally this, I don't wanna learn muscles when all I want to do is draw cute girls

[Anonymous No.4531300]

>>4531299
guess what cute girls are made up of

[Anonymous No.4531302]

>>4531300
cylinders and spheres with slight grooves on them

[Anonymous No.4531304]

>>4531300
fluffy cotton and clouds.

[Anonymous No.4531307]

>>4531258
Cheers i'll take a look

[Anonymous No.4531308]

>>4531302
>>4531304
cmon then, why keep grinding? draw that cute cotton cylinder girl

[Anonymous No.4531311]

>>4531308
because I cant

[Anonymous No.4531314]

>>4530600
Those ears tho

[Anonymous No.4531317]

Anatomy

[Anonymous No.4531324]

>>4531317
based beg making all the begcels seethe real hard

[Anonymous No.4531325]

>>4531317
Where'd you learn that anatomy from?
Could you help a beginer out?

[Anonymous No.4531330]

>>4531311
you're on the path of realising that cute girls are made up of cute girl bones and cute girl muscles too anon :/

[Anonymous No.4531331]

>>4530890
Thanks senpai, I appreciate the advice

[Anonymous No.4531332]

>>4530350
Go from the general to the specific. Anything that looks complicated just simplify it to a single line, then "carve" out the details later once it look correct.

[Anonymous No.4531334]

>>4531330
What makes muscles look cute

[Anonymous No.4531336]

>>4531317
Not /beg/, go away.

[Anonymous No.4531337]

Am I doing Loomis right?

[Anonymous No.4531339]

>>4531334
anything associated with femininity and female youth, i guess
thin upper muscles with weakly defined form, padded with a moderately low amount of fat, and bulkier lower body muscles that don't show definition? everyone should find out their definition of cute

[Anonymous No.4531340]

>>4531337

Reference.

[Anonymous No.4531344]

>>4531297
Can you just draw a gf?

[Anonymous No.4531347]

>>4531337
All of your forms are completely flat.
Try just doing heads for a little while, not even any facial features just the simple set up, and use cross contours to make them look as 3D as Loomis's heads.

[Anonymous No.4531349]

I just don't get it, I feel like I've regressed quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.4531359]

i dont really know what im doing. are these gestures? they took me several minutes each. where do i go from here?

[Anonymous No.4531364]

>>4531270
cute emma

[Anonymous No.4531366]

[Anonymous No.4531369]

>>4531347
Here's a quick try at faces... How much time should I spend on these sketches?

[Anonymous No.4531371]

>>4531369
Oops forgot pic

[Anonymous No.4531374]

What are some good videos for a beginner? I unironically dont like books at all.

[Anonymous No.4531381]

>>4531371
Do keys to drawing, forget about loomis. Your line control is absolutely non existent.

[Anonymous No.4531383]

>>4531369
>>4531371
Don't put in any features for now, just do the basic ball and jaw and side plane. The goal is to make them look 3D and not flat. For starters you should draw both the horizontal and vertical midline wrapping all the way around the sphere. Loomis shows lots of examples.

[Anonymous No.4531387]

>>4531383
>>4531381
Or just do that. You could just draw copies of stuff for a while until you get more comfortable.

[Anonymous No.4531388]

>>4531374
what topic are you looking for?

[Anonymous No.4531391]

>>4531388
I don't know, I only know some perspective, don't know what the next step is.

[Anonymous No.4531396]

>>4531381
>>4531383
To be honest I did the faces within 2 mins mostly just blind drawing... Here's something from KTD which I did put effort into.. (it's from awhile back) Is something like this better?

[Anonymous No.4531397]

When i encounter a diffucult boss in vidya or fail a rep at a gym none of those give me as much emotional distress as spending so much tine drawing a dog shit drawing.

[Anonymous No.4531400]

>>4531396
It's a WIP.. I was too nervous to finish it.

[Anonymous No.4531403]

>>4531391
Read the sticky and look at the list of fundamentals. Identify your weakpoints and the gaps in your knowledge. The next step is to work on those weakpoints and fill those gaps.

[Anonymous No.4531404]

>>4531397
because playing video games and failing to lift heavy things isnt hard.

[Anonymous No.4531405]

>>4531391
Okay then, I would suggest look at the basics of composition, it's a topic that can be useful in many ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8i7OKbWmRM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAPXep8wPts

[Anonymous No.4531409]

>>4531405
Why would I learn composition if I can't fucking draw anything but cubes and cylinders

>>4531403
I'll see if I can get anything out of it, I just don't like reading books I like seeing the person teach me.

[Anonymous No.4531410]

>>4531397
Look more at your subject and don't lose faith.

[Anonymous No.4531417]

New

>>4531413 >>4531413 >>4531413

[Anonymous No.4531440]

>>4531409
>Why would I learn composition if I can't fucking draw anything but cubes and cylinders
Because composition is a generally useful skill for drawing or any visual medium, it is helpful to know and use.

[Anonymous No.4531441]

>>4531317
Always dig your stuff mate.

>>4531359
Don't look like any gestures I've ever seen.
Work on your proportions, in particular the legs. In the 2 left one's the legs are almost twice the lenght of the torso + head, that's almost as bad as yaoi manga level proportions.
After that I guess you could start introducing forms to your figure drawings and start reading vilppu to really get into gesture.

>>4531374
ctrl+paint has a lot of video's that deal with basics It's not all about digital either.
Also New masters academy had at least one free beginner course when I checked there a while ago, maybe it still is so you won't even have to pirate it.

>>4531397
Also proportional issues, looks like a giant squeezed him until he became a manlet.
Measure more and better it shouldn't be difficult to find some instructions for that.

[Anonymous No.4531508]

what's up with these little triangles?
Are they part of the pectoral major?
They only appear once then they don't anymore.

[Anonymous No.4531523]

>>4530046

[Anonymous No.4531559]

>>4529357
The absolute state of /ic/

[Anonymous No.4531578]

>>4531508
the pecs connect to the upper arm inverse to how it is on the chest - the bottom part of the pecs connect the highest on the arm, that triangle is just showing that relationship

[Anonymous No.4531596]

>>4531578
I'm sorry I still don't quite understand, should I just ignore the triangle when drawing?

[Anonymous No.4531636]

>>4531596
>so what your saying is i should ignore it instead of learning?

jesus christ

[Anonymous No.4531667]

>>4531523
foreshortening is missing

[Anonymous No.4531682]

Is there a reference book for clothing in various poses. More about how it would sag and scrunch up in various poses more then anything else.

[Anonymous No.4531689]

>>4531682
hogarth drapery

[Anonymous No.4531691]

>>4531523
based, will be coloring this.

[Anonymous No.4531693]

>>4530690
You should have varied the sizes and angles

[Anonymous No.4531726]

>>4531636
I just can't see what you're trying to say with the small triangle. I just can't see it.

[Anonymous No.4531832]

I feel like I've overcome a slump, time to ramp it up and begin putting in more effort.

[Anonymous No.4531960]

[Anonymous No.4532229]

>>4530690
future mass murder here hahaha

[Anonymous No.4532478]

Is the long shape under traps, through the lumbar meant to be part of the errector spinae? Cause the top page gives it a corndog shape while the one under makes it a long rectangle like shape with a triangle taken out at the top from the traps.

[Anonymous No.4533196]

[Anonymous No.4533454]

what is symbol drawing? why is it bad/why do we draw the upside down picture to break free from symbol drawing? i learned this in a high school art class but i can't remember at all