Oh no no no no no

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Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:05:04 2020 No.4501875 [Reply] [Original]

Oh no no no no no

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:05:44 2020 No.4501877 What? It's pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:07:17 2020 No.4501880 >>4501877 Guarantee you that if some rando posted this in /beg/ then people would tell him to read Loomis. Even the shading in the hair looks /beg/ tier

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:07:39 2020 No.4501882 >>4501875 Can any anatomy fag tell if the ass is correct? It feels like the right ass cheek should be bigger and the left one hidden behind slightly (considering the position of the leg)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 07:40:51 2020 No.4502069 >>4501882 it is not correct at all

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 07:45:59 2020 No.4502085

>>4501875
This seems like a common problem for teachers who focus too much on one aspect such as gesture or construction. They omit the most fundamental aspect - observation. Instead they try to shoehorn in the subject into their memorized "stylized" shapes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 07:48:54 2020 No.4502095 >>4501880 >Even the shading in the hair looks /beg/ tier Congratulations, you have no idea what you are talking about. Begs commenting on art is hilarious every fucking time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 07:50:41 2020 No.4502103 >>4501875 Mattesi is probably the one teacher that is a bigger hackfraud than prokek himself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 07:51:35 2020 No.4502106 >>4501875 its called stylization, he probly spent 30 years doing figure studies unlike you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 07:53:29 2020 No.4502112 >>4501875 these are the fags that tell you to use loomis lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 07:54:45 2020 No.4502116 >>4501875 what exactly did you expect when you subscribed to mister kangaroo proko himself. stop yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 07:56:16 2020 No.4502121 File: 28 KB, 480x470, 4df.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4502106 >It's just my style bro

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:00:28 2020 No.4502126 Holy fuck, how will matteshits ever recover?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:00:43 2020 No.4502128 >>4502121 it's so fucking obviously stylized you have to be a drooling mongoloid to not see it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:11:37 2020 No.4502158 File: 36 KB, 600x1067, quick_sloppy_drawing_with_bad_anatomy__by_fpgninja157_dakr0aa-fullview.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4502128 >It's just my style bro, you're retarded if you don't see it

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:22:03 2020 No.4502182
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>>4501875
This made me look up his art. I don't have a problem with the exaggerated gesture, but his art is just boring as piss. Seems like a common occurrence with these artist teachers who claim to have some uber special lifehack drawing technique. They usually make the blandest shit with their supermethod.
Also pls don't tell me to pmw or try to convince this isn't fucking lamest griffin ever. It's not incompetent just lame.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:23:49 2020 No.4502186 >>4502106 >LITERALLY it's muh style

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:24:31 2020 No.4502187 >>4501875 pretty good. looks dynamic

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:25:22 2020 No.4502189 >>4501880 >Even the shading in the hair looks /beg/ tier Oh no no no no no

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:30:22 2020 No.4502200 >>4502182 I've gotta agree with you. I've watched the proko videos he's in and I can't get behind his method because of the way his art looks. I can't explain why, it's just not for me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:31:31 2020 No.4502204 >>4502200 I can explain why. It's boring as fuck. Just like the DAB guy.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:33:33 2020 No.4502210
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>>4502200
He has no style, he has no grace. No really. There's such a thing as being too logical about art. You have to trust your intuition after a point, and some never get to that point. When you see the real deal, you just know it. It's in the delectable shapes, the inventiveness and care that comes bubbling up out of the design itself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:58:08 2020 No.4502270 >>4502204 the DAB guy can't even do perspective for basic shit right and that's all he grinds all day. But at least he's not a scammer like this dude

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:01:03 2020 No.4502278 >>4502204 >>4502270 Who the fuck is DAB

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:05:33 2020 No.4502293 >>4502278 Draw A Box

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:11:52 2020 No.4502313 >>4502278 You kuffar dog shall see no mercy for you're guilty of ignorance Inshallah for the prophet, pbuh, i will make you pay this transgression

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:12:33 2020 No.4502314 File: 25 KB, 241x127, STYLE.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4502128

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:14:26 2020 No.4502322 >>4502314 Muh style bruh

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:17:39 2020 No.4502329 Who is proko shilling matessi so much lately?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:19:45 2020 No.4502334 >>4502329 $$$ I guess

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:21:35 2020 No.4502335 is that a... female ass... oh god i think im gonna.... COOM

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:45:37 2020 No.4502397 File: 102 KB, 561x768, Pablo-Picasso-Spanish-Cubist-Oil-Canvas-Portrait.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4502322 >>4502158 >"wtf he needs more loomis"

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:56:52 2020 No.4502429 >>4502329 It's called a collaboration. They're literally making business together.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 10:04:26 2020 No.4502454 >>4502106 oh no no no

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 10:09:24 2020 No.4502469 >>4502278 ISIS

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 10:10:05 2020 No.4502471 >>4502210 these gaters and crocos are god tier

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:51:51 2020 No.4504519 File: 5 KB, 250x250, 1581829241837.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4501875 Is she shitting a shoe? Is that thing coming out of her stomach a huge pennis? Why that left arm is so small?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:43:38 2020 No.4504583

>>4501875
>>4501880
>>4501882
>>4502069
regardless if any of us like it or not, he's a got a job doing it, so he can do it however he likes.

I honestly don't even wanna think about if it's a correct drawing or not. If it's there, there's something right. It's the sad truth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:57:12 2020 No.4504600 >>4504583 that logic is retarded. just because somebody has a job doesn't mean they're good at it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:58:40 2020 No.4504603

>>4502210
Boring, what so great about this? His Po are better, but most of his art is just "i'm SO fucking savy, look how I repeat forms and patterns"
Blegh, if this was posted on deviantart you wouldnt care two shits, but because is "muh famous character designer I saw and heard on many courses" you must suck his cock

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:01:30 2020 No.4504611 >>4502397 That looks like it was painted by a 7 year old

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:03:05 2020 No.4504614 >>4504603 Shut the fuck up, captain contrarian. I follow broke artists with no name and virtually no following, only because I like their art. Just because you're shallow doesn't mean you need to project onto me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:06:11 2020 No.4504618 >>4502278 Dumb fucking infidel

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:07:23 2020 No.4504620 File: 289 KB, 468x312, F762915F-813C-458E-826C-152D6F0E3720.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4502278 Death to the Kafirs ishallah

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:07:45 2020 No.4504622 >>4504614 >oh my you are so shallow Keep sucking the cocks the media tells you to suck, he is good but is no that good, so stop being so fucking pretentious.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:12:12 2020 No.4504632

>>4504622
Bro I don't care that he's popular, and the point wasn't to impress you with my obscure, weird taste. If he's good he's good. If he's a hack I call him a hack popular or not. Like Mattessi for instance, you imbecile, who is popular and whose work actually WOULD fit right on Deviantart, ironically. Stop being a hipster faggot and just admit he's good. Oh you already did. He's just not "THAT" good. Kay. Contrarian bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:15:15 2020 No.4504636 >>4501875 Alright i think it's fair to say that Proko is a fucking fraud.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:16:11 2020 No.4504637 >>4501875 Thats a nice ass

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:18:55 2020 No.4504643

>>4504632
Matessi is also good, but maybe not that good :^), the point is, that you think matessi is a hack doesnt turn him into a hack, great artist use his methods with quite good results, but you have to discard a complete school of figure drawing just because he doesnt draw spiky crocodiles with repeating patterns to enchant your peasants eyes, you are so fucking stupid is laughaeable, i'm guessing you also shit on Proko and Vilppu because he never finishes a piece and only draws sausage men, please erase your vile seed from the face of the Earth, you deserve the oblivion un silence like the dunning Kruger mongo you are

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:20:22 2020 No.4504646 Kinda cheating when you have to make the pelvis stick like a tumor to make your shit dynamic

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:27:33 2020 No.4504654

>>4504643
Lmao a Mattesi fanboy. He's really not good. I said he's "competent," and maybe his techniques work for artists with actual ideas. Of course if they have ideas they probably don't *need* Mattesi. But no, not good. Do you actually like that milquetoast shit, not his teachings, but his art?
I don't have much of an opinion on Vilppu. He seems all right because he doesn't pretend to have some secret hax drawing method, it's just plain old figure drawing done well. Proko's a teacher and businessman, yes his art is boring, but who cares? Why are you projecting so much? Believe it or not I don't think as much about these guys as much you evidently do, fanboy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:42:07 2020 No.4504677 >>4501880 But that's the thing, I have never seen anything on beg that looks as good as that

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:42:49 2020 No.4504679 File: 48 KB, 456x740, 80a.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4504654 >stop projecting

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:45:16 2020 No.4504685

>>4502158
>>4502121
It's exaggerated in such a way that you can tell they know what they are doing versus your shitty pic related. When you stop sucking ass maybe you will understand fundamentals better to then take the next step to making something visually appealing

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:56:03 2020 No.4504703

>>4504679
Man you really are a fucking dummy who has the gall to call anybody else a dunning. Too stupid to realize bad taste and contrarianism aren't a virtue. Sometimes the popular stuff is actually good, but also sometimes it's not. You can't perceive nuance though, so since I didn't respond according to your script and gave a nuanced opinion instead, you collapse into retarded chan memes, as you must. Now go ahead and greentext me with another baby picture, as you must, you dumb kid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:09:07 2020 No.4505280 >>4501875 It's good figure drawing for expressive purposes. This would work well for animation. Not everyone draws to have perfect loli anatomy faggot

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 13:28:23 2020 No.4505578
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These threads after his video came out show that this board should just be deleted because you all don't understand a fucking thing.
If this boards purpose was to understand art, it has failed and thus should just be erased

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 13:31:17 2020 No.4505586 >>4501875 From a stylized point of view that puts emphasis on S curves, C curves, and exaggerated gesture I'd say this is bretty gud.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 13:34:59 2020 No.4505593 ???? Good and dynamic gesture drawing What's wrong?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 13:45:01 2020 No.4505624 >>4505593 OP is a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 14:05:04 2020 No.4505695 >>4501880 >Guarantee you that if some rando posted this in /beg/ then people would tell him to read Loomis. And you would likely be one of them. When has /ic/'s taste been an actually relevant metric for anything?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 14:07:56 2020 No.4505705

https://www.instagram.com/michaelmattesi/?hl=en

The one proko posted is definitely not his finest work but Mattesi is obviously not a /beg/.

People also need to fucking remember that these people draw gestures, they're not meant to be anatomically perfect rendered paintings they're supposed to be fucking quick captures of movement and position.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 14:10:03 2020 No.4505714 >>4505578 l2draw mike

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 14:16:36 2020 No.4505746 >>4505714 Give up, you simply do not have the mind for art

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 14:23:16 2020 No.4505766 >>4502121 Fundies seething

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 14:28:29 2020 No.4505785 >>4504703 Nice sperging :^)

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 15:17:35 2020 No.4505904
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>>4501875
How can you guys be this retarded?
The drawing is not about anatomy or shading or realism or any of that shit.
It literally spells it out in the fucking tweet
>dynamic shapes that create rhythm and appeal
the staggering stupidity of everyone in this thread that criticized the drawing based on its anatomy or proportion is a fucking lukewarm iq subhuman holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 15:25:47 2020 No.4505924 >>4505904 facts. Admit it republicans, your mind is too atrophied for art.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 15:35:01 2020 No.4505948 >>4505904 Yeah that's nice, except for the fact that the drawing is neither rhythmic or appealing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 15:36:08 2020 No.4505953 >>4504703 hah, he's right total dunning. You literally dont know what youre talking about, and actually think your opinion holds value.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 15:36:10 2020 No.4505954 >>4505904 the drawing a goofy caricature you meme addled fool.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 15:42:04 2020 No.4505965 If your idea of "dynamic" is jello then I can see how this looks right.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 16:14:01 2020 No.4506066

>>4505948
Okay? Then that would be a valid criticism. That's not the point of my post.
There were tons of people criticizing it as if it was supposed to be a finished piece.
And then there were a bunch of people with the most awful rebuttals making excuses for why the anatomy wasn't perfect and saying it was his fucking "style" or some shit. Also completely missing the point.
It's merely an exercise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 16:27:59 2020 No.4506127 >>4505965 jello is pretty dynamic though

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 16:42:42 2020 No.4506182 This thread only proved that /ic/ is a brainlet ridden hole.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 16:54:22 2020 No.4506222 >>4505953 You write like an AI program. Are you just repeating things that have already been said? Do you understand what any of it means?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 16:58:53 2020 No.4506234

This thread: "I don't like this style, therefor it is bad art! Hmm? Post my work? UH- UH-UH LOOMIS, FUNDIES, YOUR STYLE IS BAD DEFLECTION DEFLECTION DEFLECTION"

Guys do we need to have this thread EVERY fucking day, or can we talk about something else for once?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 17:03:54 2020 No.4506250 >>4506222 You certainly dont understand what Mattesi does, what he teaches , and what is the point of drawings like that. You dont know what style is, animation, the words in the tweet. You embarrass yourself.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 17:10:34 2020 No.4506268

>>4506250
What is this word salad? Do any Mattesi fanboys speak English as a first language? I already said I have no problem with his gesture, you just can't read English very well. But his art IS fucking lame. Deal with it. Some guys make better teachers than artists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 17:13:58 2020 No.4506276 >>4506268 I understand perfectly what that anon said, enough with the excuses you s.o.y cuck, just Say you don't like mattesi and end of the argument, no need to make this kind of retarded show of yourself.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 17:28:08 2020 No.4506310
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>>4506276
I don't dislike him on a personal level. But his art is boring. You'd think with such an incredible drawing technique, so incredible in fact it must be written in all caps, his art would be better to look at. The biggest disservice guys like him do is tricking NGMIs into believing if you can distill art down into a formula of S, C and I curves, you'll be the next Milt Kahl. I'll keep recognizing real talent, you keep sucking off mediocrity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 19:00:06 2020 No.4509752 bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:10:41 2020 No.4511836 File: 53 KB, 375x212, nigger WHAT.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4501875 Anons... Tell me this is okay...

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:26:01 2020 No.4511864

>>4501882
It's gesture. You can't spend too much time making loose drawings perfect. I think the back should be more curvy but I believe the female is lifting her left shoulder higher than the right so there's no need to curve that side. The shoulders look stiff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:37:22 2020 No.4511899 >>4501875 I’m actually a big fan of the force method, but that drawing is just dogshite. Forget about the anatomy, it doesn’t even feel forceful. I hope Mike’s not losing his edge

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:46:01 2020 No.4511919 >>4511836 It's okay because it's a gesture drawing. You don't really understand the point of gesture, do you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 15:17:07 2020 No.4511973 >>4501880 That clearly indicates an understanding of flow, gesture and shape design, only other /beg/s would tell him to read loomis He unironically got to the point of stylization: Where your choices are deliberate instead of a crutch

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 15:18:30 2020 No.4511980 >>4511973 Mike shitteshi can't properly draw tho.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 15:18:48 2020 No.4511981 >>4511919 What IS the point of gesture?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 15:19:59 2020 No.4511984 >>4511973 His deliberate choices are bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 15:23:05 2020 No.4511990 >>4511984 That's a question of appeal tho, not if he's good or not He knows what he's doing, but what he's doing is not appealing at all It is, however, not even close to being /beg/ tier >>4511980 crab

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 15:28:59 2020 No.4512001

>>4511990
I mean you're getting into "you see you just have to FEEL Mark Rothko's big colored rectangles and then you'll see how great he was" territory.
OP pic looks like shit, I don't view it as evidence of artistic skill, and it's hard to imagine what you could say to convince me otherwise given that it so obvious looks like shit.
Some of Mattesi's drawings look a lot better than this one, I'll admit. But this one did not turn out well.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 15:36:48 2020 No.4512024

>>4502182
>>4502210
>>4506310
Good posts. A few years ago, when I was struggling with gesture, I found a series of videos by Mattesi that were extremely beneficial to my progress. That said, I do find it odd how so many art instructors have shitty personal work (as you say, it’s because they’re so overly analytical that they kill their intuition)

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 15:54:10 2020 No.4512073
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>>4511919
Do you see the fucking ARM? how the fuck will the right arm connect together at the elbow? With science? With a welder's torch? Did she break her arm? Answer me you dick sucking homo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 16:01:39 2020 No.4512089 >>4512073 Can never unsee, and I thought the whole drawing was bad enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 16:15:18 2020 No.4512119 >>4501875 Asukaposter made it, wow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 16:31:17 2020 No.4512148 >>4512073 God damn this board makes me laugh like none other

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 16:50:21 2020 No.4512199

>>4512001
>OP pic looks like shit, I don't view it as evidence of artistic skill
Maybe educate yourself on gesture and you will. And I don't mean that it's a matter of taste, it's not, you straight up lack basic fundamental knowledge. You're right about one thing though, there's not much anyone can say to you when you're this ignorant.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 16:50:38 2020 No.4512200 >>4502210 >He has no style, he has no grace kek https://streamable.com/kyxzc8

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:56:16 2020 No.4513475 >>4512199 Not him, but that particular drawing is shit even from a gestural perspective. I don't know why you're defending it so much when it's the weakest thing Mike has put forth

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:58:24 2020 No.4513479 That looks like shit, I can’t believe anons ITT are defending it I can only assume they’re beginners who worship proko projecting themselves. That really does look like its from /beg/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:03:50 2020 No.4513489 >>4513479 You don't even have the eye yet

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:07:03 2020 No.4513496

Capturing (((FORCE))) just means drawing one side of the body with a straight line and the other side with a c or s curve. There I saved you 5 hours reading a shitty book. Seriously I got halfway into it and the way the dude writes is like a blog post. I can see the accusations of being cult-like. It's written like a get rich quick book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:09:02 2020 No.4513501 >>4513489 Nice reddit quote. I know exactly the style Proko was going for in that piece and he didn’t achieve it at all, it has no flow and he clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing. And it objectively looks like shit too. YOU don’t have the """eye""".

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:09:47 2020 No.4513503 File: 135 KB, 494x576, 25626262365241.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4512073

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:11:37 2020 No.4513509 >>4513501 >here is a list of artistic terms I learned to today and they are all a fail with this one image Wow very good, I'm putting this post on my fridge

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 07:45:24 2020 No.4513732 >>4513509 what does this even mean

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 11:46:45 2020 No.4514070 >>4501875 Do you people not understand gesture? Can you not feel the form in this? Y'all are outing yourselves here.

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