/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4492902]

If you're not intelligent enough to learn from this book alone you should just give up now and find something else to do. You will literally never make it.

Not being mean, just saving you time.

[Anonymous No.4492914]

Nope. Anyone who genuinely believes this IS NGMI.

[Anonymous No.4492918]

>>4492914
>unable to comprehend the most basic of basic fundamentals
>can’t even finish step 1
>thinks he’s gonna make it
You poor deluded soul.

[Anonymous No.4492925]

>>4492902
>Getting information from only one source
>Purely mechanical drawing

Fuck off idiot.

[Anonymous No.4492940]

>>4492925
Exactly. Pyw OP.

[Anonymous No.4492941]

>>4492902
Meh, there are better books on perspective.

[Anonymous No.4492950]

Try perspective made easy or framed ink then get back

[Anonymous No.4492984]

>>4492950
You mean Framed Perspective

[Anonymous No.4493034]

>>4492941
There are?

[Anonymous No.4493100]

>>4493034
https://www.dchelsea.com/books/

[Anonymous No.4493119]

>>4493100
>ignore the recommended material cause “it’s too difficult”
>get advice from second rate retards
>spend 3+ years grinding away
>still a /beg/
>wonder what went wrong
You’ve only got yourself to blame m8

[Anonymous No.4493121]

>>4493119
I've read all the books on perspective. Chelsea is more difficult than Robertson. For one thing it goes through curvilinear perspective which no other books do. So get fucked brainlet.

[Anonymous No.4493132]

>>4493119
Pyw m8. Everyone knows you won't

[Anonymous No.4493145]

>>4492902
Porn artist here, currently working on Squeenix making concept art for characters, I draw commissioned porn, I earn 300 bucks from commissions and Squeenix pay me 350 bucks for the concept arts, I don't know a fuck about perspective and I shit on it, I just draw hot girls and Sci-Fi characters that I like, keep drawing 3000 lines every day bigboy

[Anonymous No.4493163]

>>4493145
You already know what's coming right? Pyw

[Anonymous No.4493232]

>>4493121
>Curvilinear
>difficult

[Anonymous No.4493236]

>>4493145
>only 350 from Squeenix
Nice lie.

[Anonymous No.4493281]

>>4493232
Sigh. Pyw.

[Anonymous No.4493504]

>>4493281
Gimme a prompt to draw in curvilinear and I’ll prove to you it’s not fucking hard at all. Both curvilinear and fish eye are easy as fuck once you understand how it works. They’re just building off of 2pt and 3pt, and if you’re able to freehand those two (which you should if you finished Rob’s book), then doing Curvilinear and Fisheye becomes easy as fuck.

Those two are just massive newbie bait cause it looks hard but it’s actually not.

[Anonymous No.4493522]

>>4493504
You don't need a prompt. Stop delaying anon. Post your existing works. You've worked with it right? You must have drawn something with it

[Anonymous No.4493556]

>>4493504
a japanese castle

[Anonymous No.4493564]

>>4492902
The hidden /ic/ server is https://discord.gg/pWJ8JK
It has to stay secret or (((discord))) will shut it down
As far as discord knows, it's a server based on the famous show called Rick and Morty....

[Anonymous No.4493619]

>>4492902
if you're not smart enough to see roberson for the hack he is, you'll be cheated and tricked by con-artists like him all your life

[Anonymous No.4493643]

>>4493619
пйв

[Anonymous No.4493665]

>>4493619
Someones mad they couldn't finish their exercises lmao

[Anonymous No.4493680]

>>4493665
everyone should be able to do that. you're taking pride in doing something even a 12 yo kid can do
The point is, robertson is a boomer that never made the effort to change his workflow to 3d software tools, and now is selling his outdated, useless, deprecated, archaic, nonsensical relic rules of thumb to the easily impressionable zoomer audience that don't know better

[Anonymous No.4493691]

>>4493680
Dude he's just trying to teach you perspective. chill

[Anonymous No.4493719]

>>4493680
Have fun 3d modeling and not knowing how to draw in perspective when you want to do literally anything interesting. :)

[Anonymous No.4493722]

>>4493691
>>4493719
have you even checked the books?
everybody understands intuitively perspective just fine, but the books are full of rules to manually kinda aproximate stuff that any 3d modelling program can do faster-better-stronger giving you freedom to focus on the ART instead of the mechanical bullshit

[Anonymous No.4493742]

>>4493722
I have the book on my shelf my dude. I went through the whole thing. It was my perspective textbook for art school.

Are you even an artist? Cause you sound like a crabby-kun that doesn't actually know what he's talking about. Also if you like 3d that's fine but you should just go to /3/ and stop harassing people trying to learn their fundamentals here.

I feel like I've been very civil with you and you're just being a salty asshole for no reason. Sorry you have a hateboner for Scott and people learning to draw in perspective? If you want to keep using 3d as a crutch instead of learning to draw it yourself, again that's fine, but don't push it on everyone. I'm assuming you just can't draw in perspective yourself but you're welcome to pyw and prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.4493752]

>>4492902
Scott Robertson is bad at communicating his ideas. This book is only popular because it works.

[Anonymous No.4493810]

>>4493232
>>4493504
you literally don't know the first thing about making perfect cubes in any curvilinear perspective, let alone 3pt linear perspective (because robertson doesnt even teach it), please never post in a perspective thread again until you do

[Anonymous No.4493818]

>>4492902
What if I don't want to read this book because it's not fun and drawing is my hobby?

[Anonymous No.4493877]

>>4492902
I'm sure glad I didn't waste too much time with that book. After five years of studying under my belt, I'm baffled that its been pushed so much on this board, even being memed as the standard book on perspective that EVERY artist must study. Unless you want to be an industrial draftsman, a product designer, or some kind of sci-fi concept art, there are more worthwhile sources on perspective out there

[Anonymous No.4493881]

>>4493752
>This book is only popular because it works.

[Anonymous No.4494193]

>>4492902
Scott Robertson doesn’t have what it takes to be an engineer so he resorts to trying to make simple things like perspective sound more complicated than they are.

[Anonymous No.4494196]

>>4493818
you'll be fine. those bullshit books are only useful if:

1. you're into drawing exclusively cars, and maybe planes
2. for some reason you insist in not using modern tools, but doing everything by hand like it was the 50s

[Anonymous No.4494217]

>>4494196
You mean doing it yourself instead of having a computer do it for you?

[Anonymous No.4494241]

>>4494193
i get 100% the same impression
he's a quack at heart

[Anonymous No.4494256]

>>4492902
This may be an interesting thr---
>two idiots in a "my dad can beat your dad dispute" for most of the thread
Never change /ic/, never change

[Anonymous No.4494294]

>>4492902
My IQ is 117.
My three stronger intelligences are intra personal, verbal and logical mathematical
My fourth highest is visual-spatial
My visual-spatial intelligence is slightly above the average.
My personality is INFP-T
58% emotional 42% logical.
Also got 90 out of 100 in a visual-spatial test

[Anonymous No.4494301]

>>4494256
>never changes, x, never change
suspiciously reddit thing to say

[Anonymous No.4494306]

>>4493881
300Iq

[Anonymous No.4494619]

>>4493522
I’m not gonna post my previous works so you can track me down and harass me asshole. Get real.

>>4493556
Alright, I was honestly expecting a figure since it’s mostly coomer artists that make the retarded argument that you don’t need to learn perspective.

I’m not gonna draw it in detail though, just the general construction.

>>4493810
>you don’t know thing because this book doesn’t address it and it’s impossible to learn something without being spoonfed by someone

Robertson doesn’t need to teach you meme perspective cause it’s building off 2pt and 3pt, once you understand how it works, it’s easy to use applying the basic foundational concepts you learned using Rob’s book.

[Anonymous No.4494649]

>>4493877
What other books would you recommend then? Besides Perspective Made Easy.

[Anonymous No.4496954]

>>4494649
not that anon, there are several books on perspective, some more technical than others so it truly depends on where you want to go. my suggestion would be Basic Perspective Drawing: A visual approach by John Montague because it's good for either case.

[Anonymous No.4497068]

>>4492902
I fell for that meme "fastest way to improve" collage and actually bought this book. Gave up at mirroring rotated tilted planes because I couldn't comprehend it even with the video explanation and couldn't see how this shit even applicable to drawing anything besides boxes and mechs.

[Anonymous No.4497251]

>>4494649
unironically, one of them loomis books explains in like 10 pages all the practical stuff you might need to use on a daily basis
now, maybe if you're into automotive design, robertson could be a fine introduction

[Anonymous No.4497257]

Let's change this thread to something more useful.

How can we practice perspective to the point where we can use it like Kim Jung gi or krenz? I know that Kim used a simplified mannequin when he started learning and learned to use perspective by looking at the world around him, krenz realized that every object had an X/Y/Z axis and worked hard to be able to manipulate them. What do you guys think is the best way to practice those concepts? Any books you know that might help one learn all this?

[Anonymous No.4497263]

>>4497257
>>4492902
That one.

[Anonymous No.4497270]

>>4497263
Ok this is a start, how would you apply whats in HTD to figures for example?

[Anonymous No.4497282]

>>4497270
Like this

[Anonymous No.4497327]

>>4497282
why aren't you mirroring the curves? where the fuck are your top-left-front views?

[Anonymous No.4497346]

>>4497327
are you seriously thinking that's his work?

[Anonymous No.4497749]

>>4497257
unironically, just draw

[Anonymous No.4498177]

>>4492902
I have this book and it's just mechanical drawing. Difficult for me to grasp and not fun to do. Nobody needs this book to draw god-tier art, but it is helpful for understanding perspective and geometric form.

[Anonymous No.4498327]

>>4498177
You don’t understand do you? If you can draw a box in perspective, you can basically draw anything. Going through this book and practicing what it teaches you innately trains your brain to accurately see in 3D while drawing, giving you the ability to naturally draw anything in 3D space.

Posts like these are like the same kind of retards that would complain about Math classes in school being “stupid” or pointless. Because “when am I ever going to use the Quadratic Equation in real life, lmao. Calculators exist!” Not realizing that the whole POINT of Mathematics classes, be it Algebra, Trig, Calculus, or what have you, was to train your logic and problem solving skills, both of which are necessary life skills.

Doing stuff like this, the benefits of it might not be immediately obvious to you, especially if you’re a moron whose aspirations are to be nothing more than a lowlife coomer artist, but the fact is that drawing a car, and drawing a person, both require the exact same skills. Learning perspective is the most foundational of foundational art skills, it’s the very base of fucking EVERYTHING. Without it, you don’t know how to draw. Not MASTERING perspective means your brain still struggles to see in 3D, it means you can’t project images in your mind in 3D space without putting them on paper, it means you lack the ability to deconstruction complex forms into simple blocks in perspective. Skills that you need not only to draw, but ALSO to EASE your learning.

Stop skipping steps. If you don’t want to learn perspective, then give up. You’ll never be a competent artist without it.

[Anonymous No.4498368]

Nice copypasta, not worthy of a (you), though.

[Anonymous No.4498377]

>>4494294
>58% emotional 42% logical.
yikes

[Anonymous No.4498384]

@4498368
>everything I don’t like is copypasta
Right back at you Retard-kun.

[Anonymous No.4498501]

>>4498327
Well fucking said. Everything, EVERYTHING can be reduced to a basic form or a combination of them. And being able to draw those forms in perspective is extremely, extremely useful.

But I do think that How to Draw isn't for COMPLETE beginners. I would suggest picking up Marshall's course or Perspective Made Easy if anyone is having a hard time with Scott Robertson's materials. Then go back to H2D because there are still a lot to learn from that book.

[Anonymous No.4498513]

>>4498327
Best post.

[Anonymous No.4498542]

>>4498501
That’s fine, just make sure you go back to Scott Rob once you feel the earlier books are easy, hell, jump ahead into Vilpuu and Hampton, and then come back to Scott Rob if you like, but doing all of Scott Rob’s book is almost like a necessary initiation. Hell, even advanced artists brush up on the basics from his book from time to time because perspective is THAT important.

[Anonymous No.4498607]

>>4498542
perspective IS important
the overcomplicated, outdated, inexact methods teached by -but not used irl for- robertson are basically a waste of your limited time
and yes, i got the books, i'm a fucking engineer and the books are dumb and basic

[Anonymous No.4498636]

>>4498327
based, math haters are the plebbest

[Anonymous No.4498650]

>>4498607
Oh please retard shut the fuck up, stop with the bitching and shit slinging for no reason.

[Anonymous No.4498663]

>>4498607
the funny thing is how roberston stuggles to explain simple stuff and how hard tries to disguise his ignorance of academic stuff with and authoritative bullshit attitude
insecure beginners seem to fall for the bluff, tho, as this very thread shows

[Anonymous No.4498708]

>>4498663
Nah son, it’s all explained perfectly well.

pyw, here’s mine

His book is in fact better than the beginner ones because he actually goes into full detail for how to do things. The “easier books” leave a lot of stuff out by oversimplification.

>>4498607
They’re not a waste of time, they’re “over-complicated” because he’s giving you detailed explanation of it all. The point is to do it “the long way” to gain a full comprehensive understanding of it, so you internalize it, and through practice it becomes second nature and you can do it freehand without any guidelines. When I was starting out I spent roughly 2 months with JUST his book, drawing cars and planes, until I could sketch them out freehand, purely from imagination, in any perspective. You then apply that to other stuff, bugs, interiors, exteriors, people, etc... etc...

He’s giving you the base foundation, it’s up to you to take that further.

[Anonymous No.4498752]

>>4497346
he's trying to mock the actually useful stuff robertson teaches because they are not applied in every single drawing

[Anonymous No.4498759]

>>4498708
classic stockholm syndrome
you don't need to practice ridiculous methods (ala "put a protactor on the computer screen") until you learn to learn to eyeball, retard
robertson himself kinda admits at some point that you'd be better using a 3d app instead of following his book
and you're lying to yourself if you really believe you need any of his bullshit to do that basic 1vp buildings and landscapes
>>4498752
the "useful stuff" you can learn it in 10 pages on any other perspective manual without filler

[Anonymous No.4498776]

>>4498759
Perspective is fun! Why wouldn't you learn it? Sometimes I like to pretend I'm some kind of old engineer drafting up mariner boats or something when I'm doing this stuff.

[Anonymous No.4498783]

>>4498759
>didn’t post his work
>calls others beginners
>moves goalposts when proven wrong
Every time... let’s see...
>you don't need to practice ridiculous methods (ala "put a protactor on the computer screen")
First off, your first mistake is not doing this on paper. What the fuck are you doing not starting this in traditional.
Second, it truly speaks to the level of absolute stupidity that when given such an instruction, your first instinct was to put a protractor to a computer screen, and not to do the whole thing on paper from the start.
Finally, answering your question “if you feel it’s necessary” learning to asses your own weaknesses and strengths, ie when you need to be more thorough and when to be less thorough is an important skill when self-teaching. I personally didn’t do the protractor shit cause I didn’t need to, some people might need to, that’s why it’s there. That said, cherry picking an example of advice that’s more situational and using it as a broad statement of the contents of the book is disingenuous and you know it. Robertson gives the most detailed explanations AND activities for learning perspective, and it’s presented in a more interesting way than “just draw boxes” as you’re actually drawing detailed things (vehicles) right from the start.

>and you're lying to yourself [...]
You really don’t understand the value of the book do you? Listen up crab-kun. Learning to draw cars teaches you how to draw people, and basically everything else, in any perspective, accurately. Why? Because in art everything is made of boxes, and “if you can draw a box in perspective you can draw anything at all,” this is what Loomis teaches you, and why you’re instructed to start with that first. Clearly you weren’t paying attention, I guess you must have been too eager to draw anime porn than you took the drawing guides as style guides, and didn’t realize that all art styles use the exact same fucking foundational blocks.

[Anonymous No.4498787]

>>4498776
i AM an engineer. i enjoy making illustrations for the artistic aspect, if i'd need accuracy, i'd use a proper tool instead of doing it by hand

[Anonymous No.4498793]

>>4498787
Post your work. Vehicle drawings are fine.

[Anonymous No.4498798]

>>4498793
He won't. He's all talk.

[Anonymous No.4498833]

>>4492902
Just finished this yesterday. I couldnt even BEGIN to grasp this book without perspective made easy and david chelseas' perspective for comic book artists

The title of this book is the most misleading fucking thing in /ic/. The name "How to Draw" doesnt fit. It should be called "Advanced Perspective Techniques" I failed this book when i started on chapter fucking 1, yet here I am now.

[Anonymous No.4498838]

>>4498833
Oh Damn, nice

[Anonymous No.4498845]

>>4498327
fuck bro, ive always said that sharpening my math skills to such an absurd level is just retarded for someone who will literally never do math in the future, but you know what, you're fucking right. Atleast i dont feel that retarded because I agree with you 100% on the perspective aspect, those who ignore the technical sides of perspective and literally ngmi. Well fucking said.

[Anonymous No.4498852]

>>4498845
*are literally ngmi*

[Anonymous No.4500172]

>>4498833
you sound like a retard
book should be called "how to draw basic car shapes without using any modern tools"
>>4498845
there's literally zero math content in those books, imbecile. if maths make you feel smart study some introduction to calculus or something
perspective is kind of a basic, long time solved problem using 3d tools, but if you wanna know the basics, this is an interesting reading:
https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/tech10.html

[Anonymous No.4500597]

>>4500172
Is this the “engineer” who won’t post his work?

[Anonymous No.4500617]

>>4498327
God bless. If only more people like you were on this board.

[Anonymous No.4500660]

>>4498327
Based.

[Anonymous No.4500677]

>>4492902
>Thinking you are smart because you know perspective
Anyone can learn it. Don’t act like you’re above others

[Anonymous No.4500680]

>>4500677
>anyone can learn it
so why hasnt a good chunk of /ic/ havent

[Anonymous No.4500688]

>>4500680
Because it takes a lot of commitment and it’s more appealing to draw waifus

[Anonymous No.4500698]

>>4498327
>If you can draw a box in perspective you can basically draw anything.

You need to add that you "can basically draw anything" after ALSO studying references, studying life, experimenting with colours, learning anatomy, studying backgrounds, learning harmony in composition, developing a style, getting to know your tools, and like 10 other things.

But yeah, perspective is a start I guess.

[Anonymous No.4500703]

>>4500172
Get a load of this faggot

Imagine getting this upset over a couple of replies that ironically make sense.

post your work or gtfo you absolute waste of human resource

[Anonymous No.4500718]

>>4498327
>You don’t understand do you? If you can draw a box in perspective, you can basically draw anything.
wow the same faggot who thinks that a box has the same level of a Body with curves shading proportions etc, that's why perspectivefags need to get nuked, fucking useless chimps who can't see the difference between a fucking box and a human body, that's why most of the Perspective books/tutos are snobs drawings a box and saying NOW DO IT WITH A HUMAN BODY IS EASY BYE fucking retarded monkey, kys faggot

[Anonymous No.4500724]

>>4500718
This man is the peak of human inteligence

[Anonymous No.4500735]

>>4500718
You missed the point

[Anonymous No.4500736]

>>4500718
ok retard

[Anonymous No.4500742]

>>4500698
You need perspective in order to be able to do those things. Once you’re able to properly break down references into their construction forms, be it on paper or your mind, you’re much better able study what you’re looking at. Hell, TRACING only ever becomes a valuable learning tool if you know perspective (and gesture), without that, you’re just symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.4500751]

>>4500718
> NOW DO IT WITH A HUMAN BODY IS EASY BYE
It is. It’s significantly easier.

[Anonymous No.4500755]

>>4500751
don't let the copefags learn about krenz

[Anonymous No.4500762]

>>4500755
>draw a human body
>now put boxes in the middle
>SEEEEEE??
peak autism

[Anonymous No.4500771]

I can't believe artists never made it before this book existed.

[Anonymous No.4500773]

>>4500762
I'm going to ask even though I know you won't do it. Pyw.

[Anonymous No.4500780]

>>4500762
This guy is rolling on some good shit,

P O S T Y O U R W O R K

[Anonymous No.4500839]

>>4500742
No. You are objectively wrong. You can learn by observation and experimentation without delving into box making and vanishing points.

[Anonymous No.4500850]

>>4500172
>https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/tech10.html
This is basically what robertson's cock suckers wish his entry level book for retards was
If you get this stuff, i get some respect for you. No like it makes you a better artist, anyway

[Anonymous No.4500868]

>>4500850
>>4500839
I genuinely believe you’re just a troll at this point. I refuse to believe someone on /ic/ would be THIS stupid.

[Anonymous No.4500875]

>>4500850
>>4500839
Imagine being so frustrated you’re bad at art you start to shit on perspective. This dude is the biggest crab on /ic/.

[Anonymous No.4500880]

>>4500868
and I believe you are the fucking chinkoid autist and you samefag your own posts.

[Anonymous No.4500881]

>>4498327
based

[Anonymous No.4500884]

>>4500868
>>4500875
>>4500881

You just can't resist yourself chinkoid?

[Anonymous No.4500890]

>>4500884
Mad cuz bad.

[Anonymous No.4500894]

>>4498327
Based as fuck

[Anonymous No.4500898]

>>4498708
>The point is to do it “the long way” to gain a full comprehensive understanding of it, so you internalize it, and through practice it becomes second nature and you can do it freehand without any guidelines.
this is the part that you dont get, robertson's book is hilariously incomplete as a perspective book, it just teaches outdated industrial drawing techniques even though learning to 3d model would serve you better in that regard,

OR if you are interested in actually learning real perspective, read >>4500850 or Perspective Drawing Handbook because both blows robertson out the water as a perspective book.

I will never understand how "How to Draw" got memed into being a "perspective" book when it barely gives a serious explanation of how linear perspective works.

It doesn't even teach you how to draw perfect cubes in 3 point perspective!

[Anonymous No.4500900]

>>4500898
>>>/3/

[Anonymous No.4500901]

>>4500890
See, it was not hard to smell you out. If your delirium based posts and constant samefagging calling your own posts "based" weren't enough, now you are fixated in this perspective shit. I hope the US will nuke Singapore our of existance.

[Anonymous No.4500902]

>>4500742
>>4500875
Nobody's shitting on perspective
Of course perspective is basic for all illustration work, including nudes girls and even simple portraits
The thing is, perspective is very easy to get intuitively, the "how to draw book" is a just waste of the limited time and stamina most beginners have, and is ridiculous to recommend it as basic or even useful for artists

[Anonymous No.4500903]

>>4500900
>>>4500898(You)
>>>>/3/
>OR if you are interested in actually learning real perspective, read >>4500850 or Perspective Drawing Handbook because both blows robertson out the water as a perspective book.

[Anonymous No.4500905]

>>4500901
>Assuming everyone who disagrees with you is the same person
Lmao ok crabby-kun

[Anonymous No.4500909]

>>4500903
Lmao you're fucking pathetic

[Anonymous No.4500914]

>>4500909
I'm just helping you read

[Anonymous No.4500919]

>>4500914
>>4500905
>>4500903

ALERT ALERT, SINGAPORE CHINKOID ON THREAD.

[Anonymous No.4500926]

>>4500902
>The thing is, perspective is very easy to get intuitively,
Ok.

Show us. Pyw.

[Anonymous No.4500941]

>>4500898
Name one thing how to draw is missing.

It teaches the fucking entirety of drawing including the basics the technical and architectural drawing.

[Anonymous No.4500959]

>>4500941
>>4500898
>It doesn't even teach you how to draw perfect cubes in 3 point perspective!

[Anonymous No.4501054]

>>4500172
>Bruce MacEvoy
uh, hello based department?

[Anonymous No.4501055]

>>4500941
and for good measure, handprint, a freely accessible website, outlines a luxurious 2 (TWO) methods for getting perfect cubes in 3 point perspective. neither of which are that difficult.

[Anonymous No.4501058]

Ok, so as far as i can tell, robertsons book teaches you ALOT about drawing without any vanishing books on the page, these techniques are actually really useful. However, i would not recommend it as a stand alone book. It really does have a misleading title.
On a side note
Some autistic anon in here mentioned that it doesn't even teach you how to draw a cube in 3 point. He is wrong. Robertson relies heavily on the construction of the ellipse. if you can draw the ellipses in 3 point(which is the same as 1 point and 2 point) you can draw perfect squares out of the perfect ellipse, therefore you have your perfect square.

[Anonymous No.4501094]

>>4500898
>it just teaches outdated industrial drawing techniques even though learning to 3d model would serve you better in that regard
This x1000
Scott Robertson might be a terrible teacher, but you gotta admit he's a master con-artist

[Anonymous No.4501102]

>>4501094
This is you on brain damage

[Anonymous No.4501114]

>>4500959
not actually true, robertson's method is drawing a circle in perspective so you can inscribe it in a perfect square, for each side or your cube
the problem is, his rule of thumb only works in very center of view, and will give you more and more error the further it gets, at the point that you'll do much better by just eyeballing the whole thing, which is what robertson does irl when doesn't model the thing using MODO

[Anonymous No.4501116]

>>4501058
you're not going to get perfect squares with imperfect circles, his method is just a heuristic anon, an artifact of him insisting on working with outdated methods and with pencils and paper, it's not actually how perfect circles work in perspective. His method breaks down the closer your circle are to the periphery of vision.

robertson isn't a perspective guy and his book is a perspective book, he just draws vehicles really well and made a book about his techniques for it, which incidentally covers SOME linear perspective.

[Anonymous No.4501120]

does this thread just prove it is isnt a good idea to listen to /ic/

[Anonymous No.4501135]

>>4501114
>rule of thumb
>perfect anything

[Anonymous No.4501156]

>>4501135
it works perfect in ONE particular point of the canvas, kinda like a broken clock

[Anonymous No.4501179]

>>4501120
Crab to genuine advice ratio is too high.

[Anonymous No.4501183]

>>4501116
>robertson isn't a perspective guy and his book is a perspective book, he just draws vehicles really well
Do you actually even draw? Like, holy fuck. The fact the you fail to see how illogical the statement you just made is proves that you know fuck all about art.

[Anonymous No.4501185]

>>4501183
there's a whole world outside of the little bubble that is How to Draw that you're missing out on.

[Anonymous No.4501190]

>>4501185

[Anonymous No.4501194]

>>4501190
being proud of being ignorant shouldnt be considered cool anon, no one should be allowed to read How to Draw and declare they know all there is to know about linear perspective.

[Anonymous No.4501217]

>>4501194
it's the same naive attitude /ic/ begginers have towards everything: they expect that some basic hacks will give them all they'll ever need
as the saying goes: a little knowledge is truly a dangerous thing

[Anonymous No.4501238]

>>4501185
>>4501194
>>4501217
All this talk and still no work posted. Ofc you should seek out further counsel elsewhere if there’s some things you weren’t enough, but Rob’s book is still the defacto best on perspective, and a must read for anyone wanting to learn art. I already posted my work.

For all this bluster over what’s good and what isn’t, acting as if you were some sort of expert authority on the matter, you’d think you’d have backed up your words with some proof of where your studies got you.

[Anonymous No.4501244]

>>4501238
>is the defacto on perspective
more like the defect-o lmao

[Anonymous No.4501267]

>>4501244
figures

[Anonymous No.4501318]

>>4492902
I just need you to do one favor before anything else op: pyw

[Anonymous No.4501332]

>>4498327
Fine dickheads I'll fucking learn perspective.
Calculus can still suck my dick though.

[Anonymous No.4501433]

>>4492914
First post best post, thread should have died here

[Anonymous No.4501434]

>>4501433
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.4501450]

>>4492914
First post best post, thread should have died here

[Anonymous No.4501474]

>>4501267
robertson doesn't do figures

[Anonymous No.4501599]

>>4498327
Based a f

[Anonymous No.4501635]

>>4498327
this
it's just fact, if you don't know even basic calculus you'll never be a good artist.

[Anonymous No.4501810]

>>4500718
>See post with lots of agreement in the numerous replies
>Post edgy style contradicting opinion
>"Now the replies are MINE! :)"

Good job. What's step 2?

[Anonymous No.4502812]

>>4501810
>post with lots of agreement in the numerous replies
it makes me sad thinking on someone so lonely and insecure that feels the need to samefag so hard. hope you'll get out of that dark place someday

[Anonymous No.4504708]

>>4502812
>Anyone disagreeing with me is samefagging
Don't make me hit you anon

[Anonymous No.4505530]

>>4504708
In this case is fucking obvious. Keep at it, if it makes you feel a little less miserable, but don't pretend you're fooling anyone
Just hope someday you'll be able to look back at this and laugh at the insecurity and naivety of your younger self

[Anonymous No.4505573]

>>4500718
You know you can make any 3d form out of cubes, spheres and cones in perspective... right? ...anon? You ok bud?

[Anonymous No.4505576]

>>4505530
Are you serious or are you really this retarded, nigger?

[Anonymous No.4505598]

Okay, i'm sorry to rub salt in the wound with my posts (>>4502812 >>4505530). My bad, i'll just stop right now
Peace, and have a nice life

[Anonymous No.4505789]

>>4505530
You sure are a piece of work anon

[Anonymous No.4505847]

>>4505789
>there are phoneposter on my board
no wonder this place sucks

[Anonymous No.4506605]

>>4505847
There are phone posters on every board and there has been for a very long time you dumb tourist.

2nd, I’m the guy >>4498327 here that you’re accusing of samefagging, and NOT the guy you’re arguing with right now. All of those people that replied, aren’t me. Stop being butthurt.

Finally, >>4498708 I’ve already posted my work to back up what I said, while all you’ve done is shitpost all thread and accuse people of samefagging cause you’re too inept to realize that none of what I said is some groundbreaking statement, but common fucking sense among anyone who’s picked up a pencil to draw. That’s why so many people are agreeing with me. Because it’s not a controversial statement. It’s like saying “Water is wet” and then you going out of your way to try to argue against that.

My advice to you is to drop the pretense and to stop acting like you’re an experienced oldfag, when you’ve demonstrated to all of us you don’t draw, and aren’t able to back up any of your statements by showing us where your art education has taken you. I hope you’ve enjoyed wasting your time these past week or so arguing with me, and with people you thought were me, because you assume everyone spends as much time as you in here, instead of drawing.

It should also be noted too, that the reason I went out of my way to shut you up, and post my work, which I normally wouldn’t do, is so newbies wouldn’t be led astray by bad advice from butthurt crabs like you. Nothing you say about what method is better or not holds any weight until you post results of your art education. Period and /thread. There’s nothing left to say on this matter.

[Anonymous No.4506737]

>>4506605
completely different anon
But since i'm here
>writing long shit out of insecurity
>plebbit spacing
>hurrr look at me and how much i can suck dick durr
>stop disagreeing with me
>arguing about who sucked the most dicks
No wonder kids shoot up school with normies like you roaming the place
an hero, you retarded quadrupleMacNigger

[Anonymous No.4506749]

>>4498708
I don't believe that's your work.

[Anonymous No.4506750]

>>4506737
Samefag

[Anonymous No.4506761]

>>4506750
gtfo my board

[Anonymous No.4507344]

>>4493818
Then don't? I'm concerned you even have to ask.

[Anonymous No.4507356]

>>4497257
>krenz

Use Scott Robertson or Feng Zhu :^)

I'm not kidding he draws his figures as if they're products or machines hence the strong perspective.

[Anonymous No.4508877]

>>4492902
Skimming through this book it mostly looks like a mid-level text on mechanical perspective. It may contain a few good tips if you're sketchy on how to approach intricate rigid forms but I imagine most of the value you'd get out of it would be the practice incentive.

[Anonymous No.4512561]

>>4506605
holy shit, you're a total retard, and also a complete nutcase