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Hear this from someone who was born with an extraordinary talent. Written language has been excessively easy for me. When I was 11 I was already writing my first complete novels. By the time I was 15 teachers at school would call my writings "post-graduate level". I always watched, with sadist delight, how everyone else struggled at learning new languages or being able to organize their thoughts to summarize in papers. Very few people out there can read as fast as I can. During my youth this made me falsely believe that I was also gifted in other areas. It was a great punch to my ego to find out that writing is the only extraordinary thing I can do. Now that I am learning to draw, I feel what most people feel when reading or writing. My brain simply can't twirl and fly with ecstasy-inducing sequences as it does when writing. When I draw I feel like a mentally retarded individual trying to understand quantum physics. And God placed me in a world in where stories and novels have so little demand in comparison to artwork and other forms of visual arts. When confronting the learning process of artwork, I can't but feel small and insignificant. At times I even feel I do worse than the average person. I live on, knowing that even after I reach my peak, it won't be as high as the peak of a natural born painter. Life is a miserable joke.

>> No.4489192

>>4489166
>booohooooo i want to be talented in everything i do
yeah anon i wanted to be a top tier soccer player once but i don´t have the skill

>> No.4489205
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4489205

> Life is a miserable joke

Then why aren't you laughing?

>> No.4489209

Nice blog post faggot. Give yourself a couple of years and you'll at least be able to impress normies. That's not a high bar to attain. Or just pursue what you're good at, nobody is forcing you to draw.

>> No.4489213

>>4489209
THE MARKET
H
E

M
A
R
K
E
T

is forcing me to draw

>> No.4489218

>>4489166
post your writing

>> No.4489228

>>4489166
Nice blog brainlet.

>> No.4489230

>>4489218
The first paragraph of a random story of mine:

"Within the solitude of a longer night, brought by the quietness of brimming times, you place your hand onto the light door. A ride out, a turning of olden mechanisms renewed in lustered metal, wood goes apart by the action of your fingernails around the knob. But less than the buzzing nightlamps, it is an unexpected shadow which gets cast above you. Lasting longer than the short-lived flight of a nightbird, it is the pattern of half moons and branched ends which incites your imagination to think of her. Her."

>> No.4489258

>>4489213
You think the market is good for artists? No artist is doing it because it has good job prospects.

>> No.4489261

>>4489258
they saw samikichan making bank from boring coom pinups, so of course they are joining because of the market.

>> No.4489265

>>4489261
>>4489258
Its good for furry porn artists. And I happen to aspire to be one.

>> No.4489270

>>4489230
purple prose, ngmi

>> No.4489279

If your OP is a representative sample of your ability to write, you're not a good writer either.

>> No.4489289

>>4489270
Purple for the plebs, poetic for the connoisseurs
>>4489279
I wasn't trying to write artistically in my original post, idiot

>> No.4489291
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4489291

https://voca.ro/meLNSlDbmlP

>> No.4489305

>>4489166
ayo nigga cut dat shit nigga
da real nigga be drawin nigga don't be no fake ass nigga
if yo nigga ass don't draw niggas be sayin yous a bitch and I sure don't wanna be no bitch ass nigga mothafucka

>> No.4489311

>>4489289
cope harder faggot

>> No.4489322

>>4489166
too bad this post is poorly written lmao

try harder baitfag

"twirl and fly" "ecstasy-inducing" are you kidding me dude? my fourth grade teachers said i was great at writing too, look at me now you pathetic asshole

>> No.4489327

>>4489230
ohhh my god you are so stupid! this is terrible! take a creative writing class at your local community college for once and then see what people think of you lmaooooo

imagine being so proud of this you don't think any skill you have will be better oh god

thanks for the laugh OP, really made my day

>> No.4489330

>>4489311
Project harder, homo
>>4489322
Redditspacing+piss-poor grammar= überfaggot

>> No.4489331

>>4489230
This is terrible

>> No.4489333

>>4489327
When you have learned some basic grammar then you can come back and bitch at my stuff, pleb

>> No.4489335

>>4489230
Already fell asleep.
I always hate when writers think they’re good because they can string a couple difficult words together.
I stopped giving a fuck after the first couple of words.
Making people care is what makes you a good writer, not trying to sound as arrogant as possible.

>> No.4489336

>>4489305
ey yuh maen lisse to dis hea' nigga mae' slike maaae ain no taleen mae' mfin niggaz griinn da shii n becom a fuggin dave proza niga shii mae

>> No.4489339

>>4489330
lol good one bro, you really got me with that reddit spacing comment, haha, imagine pressing enter after each line, like some kind of redditor, homo, haha he said "homo" lmao "homo"

really got me... calling me a homo...imagine

>> No.4489342

>>4489265
Drawing furry porn doesn't require being a natural born artist. Bar is still pretty low.

>> No.4489344
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4489344

>>4489289
>I wasn't trying to write artistically in my original post
I'd expect even the low-effort writing of a good writer would be better than your OP.

Source: I'm a good writer and my low-effort writing is better than that.

I'm not trying to shit on you just for the sake of shitting on you. I've got a 155IQ and I'm pretty good at a lot of things, so I've got experience at this - take it from me: never, ever tell anyone that you're better than them at ANYTHING. It never disposes people well to you.

Accept compliments (with humility) and don't demure, but never brag. The only exception is if you're deliberately trying to be condescending, in which case brag away. It fucking infuriates people.

>> No.4489346

>>4489166
No, you're just a /beg/ that is accostumed to success in another area so when you fail at basic stuff in drawing, you feel like a loser/retarded, drop your ego, accept that no one can draw hyper realistic shit at 5 years old and have fun while learning

>> No.4489350

>>4489344
He's not a good writer.

>> No.4489353

>>4489335
>I stopped giving a fuck after the first couple of words.
I stopped caring at your first syllable lmao
>>4489339
More redditspacing+worse grammar= hyper überfaggot
>>4489342
Actually it isn't. For normal human porn all you need to do is trace some random image from google, you can't do that with a furry character.

>> No.4489355

>>4489346
Also, it’s easier to fall into the illusion of competence in writing because you don’t immediately see your mistakes.
In drawing, when you draw a disproportionate head, you fucking realize it pretty quickly.

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>>4489350
Yeah, that's what I said.

>I'd expect even the low-effort writing of a good writer would be better than your OP.

>> No.4489362

>>4489344
>6,000,000 gorillion IQ
>uses redditspacing
>>4489350
Because a crab says so? Ha
>>4489346
It frustrates me though, to have a talent in something I don't care about, and not have it in the one thing I wish to have

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4489363

>>4489362
Formatting your
posts

based on the nEeDs
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demands of OTHERS

sacrifices

your

artistic

integrityasawriter

>> No.4489368

>>4489355
Souless faggot, you don't read the writing, you feel it

>> No.4489371

>>4489363
Nice excuse for "I came from reddit this is my first day here, hi"

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4489378

>>4489371
I've been posting on this website for thirteen years.

>> No.4489385

>>4489166
It doesn't. When you were writing, someone was drawing. That's how they developed drawing, and you didn't. That's all there is to it.

>> No.4489386

>>4489353
>Actually it isn't. For normal human porn all you need to do is trace some random image from google, you can't do that with a furry character.
Want to know how I know you didn't even learn your fundies? Same fundies apply to furries.

Your issue isn't that you don't have talent. You just haven't picked up a fucking book yet.

>> No.4489388

>>4489378
Years. What an euphemistic way to say days.

>> No.4489390

>>4489362
>It frustrates me though
The best advice I can give is not "le just draw" it's actually enjoy yourself while drawing, not even that really, people think the masters have this intense euphoria and passion while making their masterpieces, that's bullshit, they're just calm, in a state of serenity, not really having "fun" really, just very entertained by what they're doing
So clear your mind, stop comparing yourself to others and leave this board if you think it's affecting you because of the negativity here

>> No.4489392

>>4489385
It does
>>4489386
Try to draw a fox head with the Loomis method, then we talk

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4489393

>>4489388
Your trolling was never subtle but at least to start with it was fun to engage with.

I'm no longer enjoying this conversation so I'm going to stop having it. There will be no further replies from me. This is a level of resignation and surrender that a newfag would never be able to understand, let alone demonstrate. This is the little death that precedes true sagacity.

>> No.4489396

>>4489390
This board is nice to have a laugh sometimes. The frustration comes in the shape of not being able to do things naturally and be as creative as I would be with writing when I am drawing. I know the most logical answer would be "then just write" but writing is just so fucking boring, and nobody respects it.

>> No.4489400

>>4489393
You could have just said that you are gay and it would have been a shorter reply.

>> No.4489404

>>4489392
It fucking doesn't. I'm supposed to have talent in languages, which is why I'm here right now despite being a slav who has never even visited an English-speaking country. But I don't fucking have talent, I just enjoy learning languages, and when you enjoy something, you study it effortlessly. And that's what I did in school, while some other kids spent their time drawing, or playing music or whatever.
There is no talent, there's just passion, and sometimes your social background (for example, it's easier to become an artist when your parents are both artists). Everything else is just pure hard work that you might or might not enjoy.

>> No.4489411

>>4489404
I disagree. Because writing and reading was always excessively easy to me, something I do effortlessly, as opposed to drawing that requires my undivided attention and energy. Writing never needed my attention or energy. English isn't my native language either. If I had the same talent for drawing than I have for writing I'd easily have thousands of patreons by now.

>> No.4489416

>>4489411
>Writing never needed my attention or energy
And that might be why your writing is shit

>> No.4489420

>>4489416
You wish it was, so it could feed your delusion about talent not being real.

>> No.4489421

>>4489392
"Loomis method" is basically teaching you construction and draftsmanship, how to break something down into simple shapes in perspective and then build from that. That's how all art is done, including furry, dumbass. You legitimately do not know what you're talking about if you think the fundamentals are different just because you're drawing anthropomorphic creatures instead of humans.

The reason the bar is lower for furry art is because the community is so niche that they're willing to accept a lower standards.

>> No.4489426

>>4489396
>The frustration comes in the shape of not being able to do things naturally and be as creative as I would be with writing when I am drawing.
Are you comparing your work to the absolute cream of the crop artists out there? If so, stop, they got to that level because they spent way more time than most people think perfecting their craft and they did it calmly because they enjoy what they do, discarding all their work as just "talent" is actually disrespecful as fuck imho

>but writing is just so fucking boring, and nobody respects it.
And drawing is frustrating to you, if you want to achieve the level you'd like at drawing, you'll encounter many obstacles that will be "boring" to pass through, not a single human activity will be devoid of occasional boredom

By the way, what art style are you practicing? Realism? Anime? Other?
There's a LOT of people that don't respect anything other than realism in the visual arts

>> No.4489428

>>4489205
this is actually wise AF

thanks anon im glad you shared this

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4489432

>>4489428
>this is actually wise AF
It's trite and meaningless drivel.

Pic related is the only good thing to come out of the normieweb in the past decade.

>> No.4489433

>>4489368
based
sorry about that

>> No.4489437

>>4489393
You remind me of me when I was 17.
You’ll grow out of it soon, anon.

>> No.4489465

>>4489432
i miss personsable. we used to be mutuals. peak drunkposting before tumblr went to shit.

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>>4489166
You are deluded because english is not your primary language. Trust me, mine's portuguese. Everything I say in english sounds like something Shakespeare himself would write. This is bullshit, of course. The delusion is fueled by your competence on a new language. Which is nice in and of itself, but doesn't make you the next Bukowski... writing is not only knowing lots of different words. It's tougher than you think. Well I don't know either, so we're in the same grounds here.

I thought that I was good, today I know that I'm absolute shit! Yeah, I could write some nice poems and short stories here and there, but there were people out there who were spetacularly better! I'm only 15% of what I thought I was... which doesn't mean you can't get better. I just chose drawing at that point. Now I'm humbled that I actually SUCK ASS at something and can FINALLY empathize with people having trouble on activities I found easy. Think about this shit...
>>4489432
Trite and drivel LMAO there's some new words to say when my mom starts shilling homeopathy

>> No.4489524

>>4489432
The universe is a drug dealer who deals exclusively in consciousness

>> No.4489531

>>4489421
In other words, you are unable to draw a fox's head using Loomis
>>4489426
Yes, I compare myself to the cream of artists in terms of literature. In drawing I'm nothing else but a filthy /beg/. I understand the fundamentals, but my hand shakes. I aim for semi realism with high focus on anatomy because porn.
>>4489482
But Bukowski absolutely lacked technique and relied entirely in hipstershit tricks to sell himself as a special snowflake.

>> No.4489533

Talent exists as a separate concept to yours, OP. It derives from intelligence in specific fields of abstraction and some people will always be better than you. That's how it's worked millennia ago and still the way it works now. However, the regiment of your work ethic decides how far you can allow your intelligence to aide you. You can be a genius and have no discipline, meaning you have no drive, and you have no real passions. You doom yourself when you won't grow a sharp trained mind towards personal achievement. Even further, success=/=talent. Success grows more from smarter work, not just harder work. You can have a disciplined routine and never grow in five years. Tackling your weak areas with revised strategies will help you become a better artist, making sure that there is always room for improvement. But really what I'm trying to say is talent means nothing without the drive and at the very least moderate intelligence to push you through these intense struggles that almost all artists go through. If you can't hack it you need to get a job and stop trying to be something you're not. I'm not saying artistry is a superior form of work but it most certainly isn't for everyone. The point here being that being non-average, the outlier, the unique one isn't just a flawless decision. It's dedication and revolution.

>> No.4489537

>>4489533
cope

>> No.4489540

>>4489533
What are your views on race?

>> No.4489544

>>4489531
pyw

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4489549

>>4489531
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD this is priceless

>> No.4489588

>>4489549
Furry porn requires a lot of knowledge on anatomy, retard

>> No.4489777

>>4489166
When will you stop making shitty bait threads all the time? After getting a thousand (you) from anons?
Eat a dick

>> No.4489849

>>4489777
Yes

>> No.4489866

>>4489355
This, people fall for the pretention of being “good writers” because quality writing is much harder to judge, and plebs tend to believe that being overly verbose qualifies as “good.”

>>4489230
This isn’t good at all. Post more work so I can more accurately judge the quality of your writing. So far, you sound Dunning Kruger as fuck.

>>4489166
From your post I can infer that you’re multilingual. I’m multilingual too OP, raised bilingual, and now I’m mastering my third. I was told by my schoolteachers too that I had I talent for storytelling, and I've been drawing since I was a kid.

Talent DOES exist, but not in the way you think. Writing and art actually compliment each other very well, it just seems like you're not particularly good at either. Mostly cause you’re too pretentious to see your weak points in both.

>>4489265
>pretentious “writer” type
>aspires to be a bottom rung porn artist
Not only is your writing shit, but your taste is awful too. It’s all coming together now...

>>4489344
This guy gets it. Talent = having high IQ and being able to learn ANYTHING quickly. It’s not distributed among fields.

>>4489404
>I have a talent in languages.
Being bilingual doesn’t mean you have a talent in languages. Most educated people are bilingual. Working in Europe, I met plenty of people who spoke 3 or more languages. Languages are actually easy as fuck to learn, it’s just most normies are retarded and fall for the endless grammar lessons loop meme.

>> No.4489870

>>4489531
>Yes, I compare myself to the cream of artists in terms of literature
M8, you could never hold a candle to Hemingway, stop deluding yourself. You’re a worse writer than YA novelists like JK Rowling.

>> No.4489873

>>4489540
Not him, but the correlation between race and IQ is evident.

>> No.4489982

>>4489866
All I read in you is yet another literally retarded sub human with conservative beliefs and repressed sexuality. The staple of an incel, basically.

>> No.4489988

>>4489873
Yes, chinese are superior

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4490105

>4489982
>All I read in you is yet another literally retarded sub human with conservative beliefs and repressed sexuality. The staple of an incel, basically

>> No.4490112

>>4489404
Yes it doe you coping faggot. As a fellow slav I never had the goal of mastering English and hated learning it at school, then after I graduated I started playing vidya and watching tv shows with subtitles (primary reason for that being because the domestic sub was dogshit) and what do you know, I started making progress in leaps and bounds without actually putting any effort. This is what talent is, and of course you don't have it because you were toiling and studying boring rules while us talentchads were just coasting on our natural aptitude.

>> No.4490123

>>4489291
Hilarious, best answer!

>> No.4490125

>>4489230
go post this trash over at /lit/ and come back with results

>> No.4490128

>>4489988
too bad they are broken beings with no emotions or empathy

>> No.4490131

>>4489230
genuine cringe

cut your fingers off

>> No.4490132

>>4489166
if you were a good professional writer you wouldnt be wasting time trying to break into art. Also your post reads like shit so i find it hard to believe you have much writing talent either. faggot.

>> No.4490139

>>4489982
Are you OP? If so your butthurt is hilarious.

>> No.4490140

>>4490132
I mean, it does read like some fanfiction.net tier edgy mary sue sonic oc

>> No.4490157

>>4489230
>>4490132
>>4490140
didn't even see this when i wrote the first reply. What do you know, it's even worse than i imagined.

>> No.4490461

Shame your not talented at pulling your head out your ass and working hard

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4490468

Another cope thread.

Why don't you guys find you actual "talents" if you think it exists. Why bother wasting time when you admit you have not business drawing?

>> No.4490470

>>4489230
>>4490157
Edgar Allan Poe? More like Edgar Allan NO
t gonna make it

>> No.4490471

>>4490468
I don't have talent for anything so I'm bound to suck at whatever I pick up, might as well suck at drawing

>> No.4490496
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4490496

like ngl you do write like an extremely clever 15 year old you're right about that

>> No.4490515

>>4489230
I'm no writer but I think what you do is equivalent to chicken scratches in drawing. You worry too much and try too hard. I have anxiety and when I had less control over it, things I created always looked like total shit. Try to be less scared before thinking you don't have the skill.