/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4477299]

When did you realize talent is real and actually the most significant determiner of artistic success?

[Anonymous No.4477303]

>>4477299
I didnt because it's not true

[Anonymous No.4477312]

>>4477303
Megacope

[Anonymous No.4477313]

>>4477299
When I realized that people get born with different IQ. Of course there is something like natural talent, but I think even a complete dumbfuck could gain success in art. In the end almost everybody can develope a style if you just work hard enough. It probably won't be a very sophisticated style, but there are many people who also like shit styles.

[Anonymous No.4477327]

When did you realize that talent is the biggest cope and anybody who's "talented" has put hunders of hours into their craft?

[Anonymous No.4477330]

>>4477303
ok retard.

[Anonymous No.4477332]

>>4477327
It seems you have yet to realize that real life isn't like some RPG where puttin a bunch of hrs into a skill doesn't guarantee you'll be good at it.

[Anonymous No.4477333]

>>4477299
Ngmi

[Anonymous No.4477336]

Show me an artist who is good that has not worked hard for it.

[Anonymous No.4477339]

>>4477332
Yeah I'm sure Kim Jung gi was born holding a brush pen and drawing Lewds right out of his mother's womb

[Anonymous No.4477341]

>>4477336
Show me a good artist that didn't have talent.

[Anonymous No.4477342]

Shut the fuck up and draw

[Anonymous No.4477343]

These are doodles by Yusuke Murata's 10 year old daughter.

[Anonymous No.4477344]

>>4477341

[Anonymous No.4477345]

>>4477343
This is from Yusuke Murata as freshman in high school.

[Anonymous No.4477346]

>>4477343
They look better than 90% of ic lmao

[Anonymous No.4477350]

>>4477339
That's not what I meant.
Realistically, its much more complicated than just devoting countless hrs to something expecting to get good at it.

But whatever, continue being a bluepilled faglord.

[Anonymous No.4477351]

>>4477343
more

[Anonymous No.4477352]

>>4477343
>>4477345
>literal kids making shit like this
Why even bother.

[Anonymous No.4477356]

>>4477299
Talent IS real but that doesn't meant that with hard work you can't push and become a great artist.
It just takes a lot more work and hundreds and hundreds more hours...
I have been shit at art for years between having narcolepsy and having memory problems that interfere with how well I can remember different processes for my work but finally after being mediocre all my life I buckled down and started drawing for 4 hours 4 times a week for 2 years. Now I am at a point where people will actually commission me and I am not perfect but I at least have marketable work and that is a huge step for me.

Keep pushing and don't give up your art dreams just because they are more difficult, OP

[Anonymous No.4477361]

>>4477351
>>4477343
Japs symbol draw and copy their favorite artists as kids while learning and end up being fine artists with distinct styles.
Meanwhile the "correct" way of grinding fundamentals leads nowhere.
When will you take the oriental pill /ic/?

[Anonymous No.4477366]

>>4477352
I will literally never understand this mindset. If you think that it's impossible to succeed without talent then yeah that would be discouraging. But when people say "this kid is so good, I should just quit" I just don't fucking get it. If you keep working then eventually you will be better than the kid (unless you think that's impossible without talent). The kid will not just keep on getting better and better forever, everyone levels out at some point.

[Anonymous No.4477369]

>>4477366
That little girl will art-mog 99.9% of /ic/ by the time she's 18 as long as she doesn't get in an accident and crush her hands.

[Anonymous No.4477371]

>>4477299
I'll never realize it, cause I'm that retarded, so nothing will stop me from getting good. + i'm not good in anything in particular, so it doesn't matter where I'll fail at

[Anonymous No.4477376]

>>4477343
>Father one of the best manga artists out there
>Get taught fundies and his tips and tricks.
>He praises how proud he is of your drawings
>Love for art just grows and you become a great artist faster than any of your peers.

This is talent. The father of Mozart was one of the greatest music teachers of his time. If your parents didn't nurture your growth from an early age you will never be the best.

[Anonymous No.4477377]

>>4477299
>>4477312
gmi

[Anonymous No.4477380]

>>4477376
Yes that's the true red pill. "Talent" is the luck to be born in a nurturing environment. The only things wrong with your brains is negative thinking.

[Anonymous No.4477382]

>>4477369
I literally just don't understand this mindset at all. It's incoherent. It also seems pretty juvenile, "omg a kid is better than me how embarrassing".
It's either possible to get to a pro level even with a lack of talent, or it's not. If it's not possible then I guess you should just quit now. If it is possible then you will get there eventually if you keep working, where other people are in relation to you right now is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.4477383]

>>4477376
This. You don't have to believe in genetic art talent to come to the conclusion that trying to get good in your late teens/later is hopeless.

[Anonymous No.4477384]

>>4477351
>>4477343
>Was drawing in perspective and had some grasp of 3D form as I constantly copied cars in the parking lot in kindergarden
>christcuck mother bashed it out of my hands and pushed me to bible school

I some times stay awake at night where I would've been if I had some nurture

[Anonymous No.4477387]

>>4477382
>It's either possible to get to a pro level even with a lack of talent, or it's not. If it's not possible then I guess you should just quit now.
Yeah that's why I'm quitting.

[Anonymous No.4477391]

>>4477380
I said "the best" people who start later are lagging years of training behind people who had "talent" like Mozart. Doesn't mean that you can't become, good great, amazing, godlike, just not the best.

[Anonymous No.4477393]

>>4477299
Talent does exist. I like to think of it as a fixed multiplier (genetics) to the effort exerted towards improving in drawing. It varies for everybody. Some can improve at a fast rate, while others need to work twice as hard. Talent exists, but you still have control over effort. If you're passionate about drawing, don't let other people's being more (or less) talented than you are deny you the opportunity to improve your own craft for as long as you live.

[Anonymous No.4477397]

>>4477341
Show me this 'talent' you speak of. Prove it exists

[Anonymous No.4477399]

>>4477387
Thank you, the board will have less negativity now.

[Anonymous No.4477402]

If talent exists in things like math why wouldn't it exist in art?

[Anonymous No.4477406]

>Day 182
>Still can't properly construct heads or understand the planes of the head
Maybe I was retarded all along

[Anonymous No.4477409]

>>4477299

There's so many variables to learning how to draw(like how many hours you study, what you study, how much effort you put in, what exact way of learning works for you etc) that boiling all that shit down to "talent" just seems like laziness.

If you suck, figure out what you're doing wrong, instead of going "lol, i'm just not talented!" and giving up.

[Anonymous No.4477412]

>>4477343
>>4477351
>even after half a decade of grinding the fundies I’m not even one tenth as good

[Anonymous No.4477419]

>>4477412
Stop grinding fundies, start making art.
/ic/ reminds me of the people who spend dozens of hours grinding combos in fighting games, then when they actually go to a tournament and play other people they get knocked out in the first round because they never learned how to actually play the game.

[Anonymous No.4477424]

>>4477393
This. There will always be people better than you, that's why it makes no sense to get discouraged by this. As long as you have fun creating your own stuff, it's all good.

[Anonymous No.4477430]

>>4477419
You have to do both. Imagine going to a tournament without any idea of your optimal combos on a hit confirm, pressure and mixup setups or even overall frame data.

[Anonymous No.4477432]

>>4477419
I don’t know how to man. Maybe I’m retarded but it literally just doesn’t work, I’ve tried.
>try drawing something
>looks like shit
>grind the fundies
>try drawing something
>still looks like shit
>grind the fundies, etc

The painful part is my fundies actually look good. I can feel the form, I can draw loomis heads better than many pros. But it simply doesn’t translate to anything substantial

[Anonymous No.4477437]

>>4477430
50% fundies, 50% personal projects. That advice of the box-caliph is good.

[Anonymous No.4477445]

>>4477437
>box-caliph
Who?

[Anonymous No.4477446]

>>4477391
If you are implying Mozart was "the best" in any way it only shows your stubbornness. Beethoven had a shit life and outclassed Mozart in every way.

What a shit thread. You either enjoy making art or you don't it's that simple.

[Anonymous No.4477448]

>>4477432
>I can draw loomis heads better than many pros. But it simply doesn’t translate to anything substantial
Sounds to me like you are just uninspired. As an artist you have to look for inspirations and digest them. Just being able to techniqually draw well is not enough.

[Anonymous No.4477449]

>>4477445
Guy who runs Draw-A-Box

[Anonymous No.4477451]

>>4477446
>Beethoven had a shit life and outclassed Mozart in every way.
WTF are you smoking?
>grandfather and father both musicians
>tought music from youngest age possible by father
>literally dragged out of bed in middle of night to practice music
>by age 10 was being tought by the premier musician in Bonn
Nobody on /ic/ had the equivalent upbringing.

[Anonymous No.4477454]

I don't have the motor ability, neuroplasticity or discipline I need to get good.

I can stare at a page and try its exercises for hours and barely understand. Sometimes I just give up after a few strokes because I realize I fundamentally don't understand, or the direction I'm going in is wrong but I can't see why, or it's just flat out daunting. I can spend more hours trying to just feel it out and it's the same. I usually do the latter because reading has become painful for some reason. I've noticed similar problems at my job and I'm starting to wonder if I have some kind of learning disability.

Often, when I look for references, there's some ocd reason I can't bring myself to use something, it's retarded but it's very real to me. Either that or I simply cannot find what I'm looking for. It's not always, but it's enough to seriously hamper me. I hold my pencil in a way that has brought me chronic pain, but I've come this far using this grip and I can't seem to get anything else to work. I don't have time to relearn what little basics I've retained so far.

I realized my lack of ability a long time ago, so I decided to just settle for what I could, if only I could have enough skill to not utterly embarrass myself and make something maybe halfway appealing. It's no use though. No matter how much I lower my expectations from my original pursuit, no matter how much I cuck myself and shave off the weight of my initial goals, I can't dig myself out of this hole. I'm not trying to make this a cereer, I don't want a thousand, or even a hundred followers on some shitty social media platform. I just want to put my ideas, dreams and dirty feelings on paper.

This kind of inability follows me around in every single facet of my life. I despise most people I meet, and all my friends got tired of me or abandoned me and I'm too stupid or boring to make new ones. There's no one I can talk to, no one I can trust with anything. I'd kill myself but I'm a pussy.

[Anonymous No.4477458]

>>4477454
Just draw anyway, you don't need to have a 200 IQ or be a memory expert to get mileage from drawing. The more you draw the more you improve even in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.4477466]

>>4477344
This is peak talent. It's about making it in the shortest possible time

[Anonymous No.4477467]

>>4477393
>>4477424
Or accept it and pick something else you're more talented at to do.
If I had tried to become an artistic professional I'd probably be homeless right now.

[Anonymous No.4477469]

It is not talent per se that is needed to mi.

It is some kind of a will and wish to say something and depict something meaningful through your art.

Yes, even if it is a pair of furry tits.

[Anonymous No.4477472]

>>4477432
pyw

[Anonymous No.4477474]

>>4477430
Meh.
I made it out of round 1 pools (so kind of like /int/ level at art) at a recent national Melee tournament by Just Playing. I know very little about frame data, specific damage percentages, when people have guaranteed combos on me and when they don't, etc, compared to other serious players. At least, I never sat down to consciously acquire and apply that knowledge. All of my skill came from just playing the game for years, and also watching top players and trying to emulate what they do. I certainly know SOME things about those aspects of the game, but it's all just stuff I passively picked up from experimenting or talking with other people, never stuff I grinded.
I derive great pleasure when I play less experienced fundies grinders and I embarrass them using only very simple moves because they have no feel for the flow of the game.
Granted, I've hit a plateau with how good I can get from Just Playing, and if I wanted to keep improving then I would have to actually start studying and grinding specific things to fix the weaknesses in my game, so in that sense your post is true. But I've already gotten further than most people ever get, using mileage and intuition alone. It's definitely a more enjoyable way to start out with a skill than grinding.
I think most good artists follow a similar path in art, strong base of intuition that just comes from experience and then studying comes later.

[Anonymous No.4477476]

>>4477454
Drawing is just difficult. I already draw since decades on and off, and still learn things which are completely substantial when drawing.

One important thing I learned is, that you shouldn't be too perfectionist when drawing. Even if you make a mess, you can always erase. Just try to have fun and bring your visions on paper. Perfectionism is only good when you are near the end of a drawing and you want to polish it. It's very important to stay relaxed when drawing. Don't be too focused on trying to make everythign perfect. rather be focused on actually finishing the damn thing.

[Anonymous No.4477482]

I am working hard despite having not much natural talent and am happy with my progress since last year but holy shit pics like pic related are really discouraging and make me feel retarded

I won't let it stop me but Jesus Christ

[Anonymous No.4477487]

>>4477482
If you put all your time into learning how to paint a good Reimu instead of aimlessly grinding gesture drawings, and then anatomy, and then maybe some hands, then back to gesture drawings etc, like most of /ic/ does, then you too could paint a good Reimu.
It's all about setting specific goals and then working towards them.

[Anonymous No.4477488]

>>4477482
Pics like this just show that drawing well has a lot to do with having the right mindset.

This person probably could have been much better in 2012, but he simply didn't put in the effort.
If you don't put in the effort into your pictures, you also can't expect them to stand out.

[Anonymous No.4477496]

>>4477432
When you draw something bad, redraw it until it looks good.
Digital makes this very easy, you can erase and redo infinitely, rotate/scale different parts of the drawing to see what looks good, etc.
When you draw, don't see yourself as putting down a finished drawing the first time every time, view yourself as a sculptor working with clay, allow yourself to play with things on the page and move things around and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.4477497]

>>4477343
>anime
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.4477500]

[Anonymous No.4477501]

>>4477437
>>4477449
Is this really a thing now

[Anonymous No.4477502]

>>4477458
I understand, and so far all I've done is just soldier on. Just yesterday I felt like I realized something after a lot of work, got really loose and happy with my sketching and had this really blissful period, a few hours later, it's as if it never happened and I can't make anything work again. I realize I'm making progress, but it feels like too little, too late. I don't have a problem just drawing away for 6-8 hours, even at my job I'm blessed with enough privacy and freetime to get around these hours. Some weekends/holidays I do very little else than jerk off and draw. It's maddening not to even get close after that.
>>4477476
I've never finished a single drawing. I erase 90% of what I sketch on stickynotes. I'm not even asking for much but I just can't have it.

[Anonymous No.4477505]

>>4477467
>Or accept it and pick something else you're more talented at to do.
That's why I mentioned those who are passionate about drawing. A truly passionate person will not let their lack of talent deter them from drawing. They will keep on drawing no matter how long it takes and will use any means just to make it. And if ever they 'drop' drawing, they'll keep coming back to it because they're passionate towards it no matter how shitty they are at it.

If you drop drawing and there's no sense of longing to draw again, it means you didn't have the passion in the first place.

[Anonymous No.4477509]

>>4477502
>I've never finished a single drawing. I erase 90% of what I sketch on stickynotes
That's exactly what I mean. You are too perfectionist, that's why you don't even finish drawings. I know this from myself.

I often looked at other artists and how they draw, and noticed, they draw really crude lines compared to me. But still, they drawings actuually looked decent, and in contrary to me, they actually could finish their stuff.

That's when I realized that you shouldn't be too perfectioist, and stay relaxed when drawing. If you are too perfectionist, you will become indecisive and your drawings will look stiff. You have to be relaxed, spontaneous and just have fun while drawing.

[Anonymous No.4477512]

>>4477505
I do long to draw again but I've accepted I will never be good so I bear the feelings and focus my efforts elsewhere.
It's like transgender people. I have artist-dysphoria.

[Anonymous No.4477517]

>>4477458
Mileage doesn't mean much, when all you are doing is just shitty scribbles. You have to actually know what you are doing when drawing, otherwise you won't make much progress.

[Anonymous No.4477524]

>>4477505
>If you drop drawing and there's no sense of longing to draw again, it means you didn't have the passion in the first place.
What a shitty attitude. Plenty of people have given up on their dreams because they didn't get any encouragement or promise of success for years, while others who would have given up much sooner got a lucky break and made a name for themselves. You think van Gogh wouldn't have offed himself way before he ever brought his own artistic vision into a mature form if he hadn't been financially and psychologically supported by friends? You think depressed early-20s Sinix would have continued making videos if he hadn't gotten positive feedback on the first videos he put out, content without a clear focus, voiceover narration or anything resembling good presentation (not to mention that his skill level was barely intermediate back then)?

[Anonymous No.4477528]

>>4477299
So then why don't you quit if you realise this?

[Anonymous No.4477531]

>>4477299
>When did you realize talent is real
Since I was able to understand the concept of talent.
>actually the most significant determiner of artistic success
Unless you consider talent to be related to passion/determination as well, and you are also talking about non art related talent, like marketing and social skills, then you are wrong.

You can make up for a lack of artistic talent with hard work.

[Anonymous No.4477533]

>>4477528
Because realizing talent exists isn't the same as being able to gauge where exactly you fall on the spectrum. People have to pursue a craft for a long time to figure out where their limitations lie.

[Anonymous No.4477535]

>>4477512
I'm not sure about artist-dysphoria but if it spares you from frustrations, then go your way. I've experienced it and those frustrations can really crush one's drive
> I will never be good
You can be good, even if the talent's not there. It might just take decades, at worst. I've come into terms with it and accepted that it wouldn't be anytime soon that I'll reach the level I'm satisfied with. I'm just enjoying the journey for now and trusting the process.

[Anonymous No.4477536]

>>4477509
I feel like I try this approach sometimes and it still doesn't work for me. It's just really hard to shake that mindset, like I'm crippled or something.

[Anonymous No.4477539]

>>4477536
watch some papa vilppu anon, let go of the stressful spasm you're in constantly
go with the flow

[Anonymous No.4477549]

>>4477299
Never, fortunately i still preserve my brain functionality.

[Anonymous No.4477561]

>>4477339
This is a good example. Kim Jung Gi had a wild curiosity on how things worked and as consequence he observed a lot. It’s not about putting the most hours. It’s about working consciously, thinking critically about what you do and loving the craft

[Anonymous No.4477562]

>>4477299
Whenever I'm seeing begs who started days ago and are already miles better than me after 4 months of drawing 2-4 hours every day

[Anonymous No.4477569]

>>4477406

[Anonymous No.4477571]

>>4477524
I guess what I said was shitty. In your context though, there's an emphasis on making it in the industry. I was referring to drawing just for the sake of drawing, not for earning money or gaining a following. For a person who's passionate towards drawing itself, fame or money is just a plus but not needed. To be good in drawing itself is already making it. But for the artist who wish to make it in the industry, the stakes are high and positive reinforcement and support is important as you've said.

[Anonymous No.4477638]

>>4477448
No, I have a ton of ideas that I draw in a simplified sketch style. However if I try drawing that shit as a finished piece it just doesn’t hold together. Then all the mistakes become obvious and I move on to studying the fundies

>>4477496
>When you draw something bad, redraw it until it looks good.
I’m been doing that recently. I sure hope it gets me out of this rut

[Anonymous No.4477653]

>>4477437
this makes me wonder if i misjudged box terrorism.

[Anonymous No.4477655]

>>4477638
>Then all the mistakes become obvious
Then just correct those mistakes. Everyone has to correct mistakes when drawing.

[Anonymous No.4477672]

This is the absolute truepill: Talent is real, but is not what you think it is; talent is the ability to dump countless hours into a craft without burning out, not being able to learn a craft in less time.

Normal people without talent aren't able to draw for 10 hours a day without rest.

[Anonymous No.4477680]

Why do so many retards in this shithole have such a defeatist mentality? This is pretty fucking sad.

[Anonymous No.4477684]

>>4477680
Because we keep bullying each other until it mutually destroys everyone's self-esteem

[Anonymous No.4477704]

Why do so many retards in this shithole cling to childish illusions of anyone being able to make it if they just try hard enough? All of you must have had classmates who, despite their best efforts, were always in the bottom third academically, where anyone not willfully blinding themselves to the unfortunate reality could have seen early on that they wouldn't pursue any kind of higher education.
One can not achieve greatness without trying, but there are also people who will not achieve greatness - or even mediocrity - no matter how hard they try. This applies to all areas of life, why should art be different?

[Anonymous No.4477727]

>>4477704
So people should just give up and do nothing about it? Got it

[Anonymous No.4477731]

I realized talent was real when I realized I had it, and that's why I can keep on no matter what.

[Anonymous No.4477733]

>>4477727
No, I'm saying that people should try to be realistic in their expectations of themselves and others, and that there are plenty of situations where there's nothing shameful or weak about giving up on one particular goal.

[Anonymous No.4477738]

If talent isn't real how do you explain this shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGbvhyTZXfs

[Anonymous No.4477746]

>>4477738
Only idiots think talent isn't real. Even bigger idiots (like you) don't realize talent is a spectrum.

[Anonymous No.4477758]

>>4477746
I never implied talent is binary.

[Anonymous No.4477777]

>>4477704
This hits close to home, had a classmate wanting to learn Japanese and made me go trough the journey with him. We both started studying Hiragana and Katakana over the summer, and while I already started getting into N4 kanji he was still struggling with basic hiragana. When I told him I learned hiragana and katakana in less than 4 days and that most of the summer I spent reading light novels and playing untranslated videogames with a dictionary, he was trying to act happy but became sad as fuck and gave up on learning Japanese.
Then I asked how he learned, he didn't seem to notice how shitty his pace was because seeing posts on reddit of people getting praised over learning simple stuff in 4-5 months gave him hope that he was in the right track, while I was being called a retard on /DJT/ for making newbie mistakes and asking stupid questions.
In the end I just didn't care enough to continue learning but I still retained a lot of info which is no useful at all to be honest.

Progress and learning all about environment, fuck genetic, fuck talent, fuck everything, being in the right environment is all that matters.

[Anonymous No.4477780]

>>4477758
>If talent isn't real?
>kim jung gi
It certainly feels like you are dealing in extremes.

[Anonymous No.4477787]

>>4477704
Got nothing better to do.

[Anonymous No.4477824]

I'm sorry but not everyone is cut off to become an artist. G.O.A.Ts like Kim Jung Gi, Yoh Yoshinari, Krenz Cushart were created to be artists as soon as they come out of the womb. Before I go on further, I'll explain the 3 qualities that makes an artist a GMI

1.) Talent

No matter how much you argue talent is a real thing. Not everyone has the genetics to reach high levels of art. There are of course many components of the brain that goes into creating decent art but the most important thing is IQ. Intelligence Quotient. Having an IQ of at least 115 which is roughly 20% of the population is the first key to achieving greatness. People with average IQs can be successful however it takes years and years of hard work. Sycra vs Sinix is a great comparison of this. In terms of actually talent, Sycra is about average but it took him a decade of hard work to raise his skill to a high enough level, Sinix by contrast puts in far less effort and is able to run circles around Sycra. Of course, I'd say they're about the same level right now, but thats only because of Sycra's hard work that he was able to catch up.

2.) Hard work

Unfortunately, this is genetics as well. Conscientiousness is a component of your brain, not everyone is born with the will to work hard. If you were lazy your entire life( I mean majority of people here are neets) who can't even manage to get a job much less work hard enough to go above and beyond and put in the effort that only a few people have.

3.) Networking/Business

There are certain elements of marketability that can be learned but ultimately it comes down to having a great product( a great product is the result of hardwork/talent which comes down to genetics) and luck. Maybe you're at the right place at the right time, maybe you decided to create an art channel when youtube was launching( Mark crilley).

[Anonymous No.4477835]

>>4477824
You are forgetting socialization, which builds talent as well. It's not only genetics.

[Anonymous No.4477839]

>>4477299
The moment I started to draw better than people who got me into art in the first place

[Anonymous No.4477849]

>>4477839
This has to be ironic, anon. There’s no way something like that is possible.

[Anonymous No.4477853]

>>4477839
>tfw I spend 20 hours on a drawing and it barely looks better than that
J-just gotta work harder guys, talent isn't real h-haha...

[Anonymous No.4477856]

>>4477849
Oh as a turbo ngmi myself I can assure you it's quite possible.

[Anonymous No.4477869]

>>4477853
spend less time on individual pieces and iterate your fundies by going through variations, baka

[Anonymous No.4477875]

>>4477839
That's an obvious lie. Noway anyone could spend so much time and get such abysmal result.

[Anonymous No.4477877]

>>4477869
Nope, not gonna fall for that meme anymore. Been "doing fundies" for a year and everything I draw still looks like shit. When I spend as much time as I want working on one piece, well it still looks like shit, but at least drawing is somewhat enjoyable and I actually look forward to it instead of wanting to quit forever. I'll just live with the gamble of putting all my eggs in that basket instead of the fundies basket.

[Anonymous No.4477881]

When did you realize that your standard of success is being defined by someone else?

When did you realize that if your happiness is determined by your standings to others you'll never be happy?

[Anonymous No.4477883]

>>4477877
>He's only been doing "fundies" for a year
>Complains he isn't at his favorite Coomer artist's level yet
Come back after you've done those fundies for at least three years.

[Anonymous No.4477887]

>>4477877
>Been "doing fundies" for a year and everything I draw still looks like shit.
Welcome to the real world. Now spend 2-3 more years and then maaaybe you'll be better.

[Anonymous No.4477888]

>>4477877
I'm not talking about grinding anatomy or perspective all day like a moron, I'm saying you should iterate your process of producing finished work by going through the first stages (ideation, shapes, gestures, composition, basic lighting) over and over again and building a solid foundation instead of polishing turds.

[Anonymous No.4477896]

>>4477881
art is expression, communication. Screaming into the void is fine if that's what you're *trying* to do, but I want my art to resonate with other people, I want it to touch something in them, disturb the comforted and comfort the disturbed and all that.

[Anonymous No.4477911]

>>4477888
I iterate different parts of a drawing and will re-sketch a part like a face or a hand multiple times sometimes.
Honestly I'm done taking advice on how to study and improve from this place, everyone here contradicts each other wildly, and many people are shitty artists themselves who are trying to give advice that hasn't even worked for them. I have a drawing process now that makes me like drawing instead of hating it so I'm going to trust that over anonymous posts on a Mongolian knitting forum. However I will continue to post pieces here for critique and feedback as I think getting feedback about specific problems in a piece is more useful and objective.

[Anonymous No.4477913]

>>4477911
>However I will continue to post pieces here for critique
do it faggot

[Anonymous No.4477916]

>>4477299
I can realistically say i've improved upon my drawings in the last two months of practice, no matter how hard anons say otherwise i will continue to actively improve my drawings because it helps me relax and i have fun doing it.
I try to draw shit like saxon album covers, they are awesome

[Anonymous No.4477919]

>>4477896
So you have to be talented to do that? Your art has to be like others art to do that? If you're the best at that form of art that's what matters more than the doing?

It's not screaming into the void, it's making what you're trying to make. The rest is marketing.

[Anonymous No.4477920]

>>4477913
Well obviously I'm not going to in this thread.

[Anonymous No.4477939]

>>4477361
that's kinda like saying because your post is retarded all 4chan posts are retarded ya know?

[Anonymous No.4477940]

>>4477299
I have talent because I achieved a great drawing in the second day that I started on this, but I'll tell you something worse, IM LAZY AS FUCK and every day I'm wasting my talent doing nothing because I'm a lazy fat fuck playing videogames 15 hours per day and sleeping 9, I'm a fucking failure

[Anonymous No.4477946]

>>4477940
It probably wasn't a great drawing.

[Anonymous No.4477954]

>>4477946
It was a Slan from berserk being raped, with tears and everything, I was high and mad and I was mad as fuck because I lost 20 games in a row, so I hotglued my Figma Slan and I had that idea, Slan being raped and I did it and it was pretty good, maybe I'll found the drawing later

[Anonymous No.4477960]

>>4477738
Kim Jung Gi fucking loves drawing, and uses nearly all his free time doing it, or observing life to get better at it. And he's being doing that for several years since he was a kid.
How much of your free time do you spend drawing every week? How much do you enjoy drawing? When did you start drawing?

[Anonymous No.4477971]

>>4477343
>>4477351
So you telling me that the kid of a professional artist can draw very well for her age? Woah dude its almost like we are molded by our enviroment. Truly shocking. I gotta tell this to the scientific community

[Anonymous No.4477975]

There is no scientific basis for the concept of talent. Are you gonna start discussing which zodiac sign is better for drawing?

[Anonymous No.4477978]

>>4477960
I also love drawing, but you also have to be in the right mindset to sit down and draw. He probably just had a good family which taught him how to live a happy life. That's why he has the discipline to draw that much.

[Anonymous No.4478003]

>>4477971
>Woah dude its almost like we are molded by our enviroment. Truly shocking. I gotta tell this to the scientific community
The scientific consensus is that IQ is largely genetics + nutrition. Social constructionism is a cheap, implausible rationalization people fall back on, because the idea that there's injustice in the world that can't be blamed on or be fixed by getting rid of systemic man-made inequality makes them anxious, because it calls into question their positive self-image as "someone who perseveres", because it confronts them with the dreadful possibility that they might simply be delusional.

[Anonymous No.4478012]

>>4477975
Cope

[Anonymous No.4478014]

>>4478003
That is literally not true my guy. There is plenty of evidence that the enviroment you are in influences your IQ, its not a fixed genetic number. Maybe you got lost on your way to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.4478017]

>>4478014
did you miss the phrasing "largely genetics + nutrition"somehow, or are you being disingenuous on purpose?

[Anonymous No.4478019]

>>4478014
you must have had a very unfavorable environment growing up

[Anonymous No.4478040]

>>4477299
Thinking talent is real is just an excuse for shit art. Keep going and draw the things you love, not just fundies or whatever. The most important thing is passion. That’s how you get better.

[Anonymous No.4478049]

>>4478040
>Thinking talent is real is just an excuse for shit art.
Then why do great artists say the same? Saying everyone has talent is like saying every woman could become a supermodel. Of course not everyone is born to become a model. That's just common sense.

[Anonymous No.4478065]

>>4477299
>>4477313
>>4477330
>>4477332
>>4477341
>>4477346
>>4477352
>>4477383
>>4477454
>>4477467
>>4477482
>>4477562
>>4477684
>>4477704
>>4477824
>>4477971
>>4478014

imagine being /beg/ at 60.

[Anonymous No.4478085]

>>4478049
Physical appearance is not equivocal to developed skills. It’s something you can change at will without much expense to yourself beyond spending the time to do it.

I also think “great artists” that say talent exists are still regular people who don’t realize that anyone can do what they do. It’s just extremely discouraging to be at such a beginner position in art that looking at a Rockwell piece makes you feel worthless as an artist. How can you draw as well as you can when you’ve already decided that you’re going to suck forever? If you want to be an artist, you can be.

[Anonymous No.4478104]

If you think you not going to make it just quit

[Anonymous No.4478122]

Jesus christ its like you faggots try to find any excuse to stay shitty and avoid drawing. You're trying to argue how to be world-class without even knowing how to draw at an intermediate level. It's like poorfags arguing about how to reach a billion dollars. You don't need to be world-class, or even that good, to be able to sustain yourself off a job or patreon shilling.

Keep telling yourself these things. Just fucking quit doing art if you're so bitter about it.

[Anonymous No.4478137]

>>4478122
>to be able to sustain yourself off a job or patreon shilling
Even getting to that level requires immense talent, hell this is what considered GMI on this board and what everyone aspires to but only select few actually achieve

[Anonymous No.4478147]

>>4478137
>that level requires immense talent
Not necessarily. This dude makes a living with /beg/ tier art
https://www.patreon.com/misfile
In general if you're drawing porn and/or catering to a specific niche then the standards are lower.

[Anonymous No.4478159]

>>4478147
posting outliers like this is deceptive af. If you want to get an accurate picture of what you're competing against, browse through all 150+ patreon accounts labeled as art. There aren't that many, btw.

[Anonymous No.4478164]

>>4478137
https://www.patreon.com/BardoPlus Uh anon...

[Anonymous No.4478170]

>spend 10 thousands of hours drawing
>become great
>laugh to the bank

[Anonymous No.4478175]

>>4478159
Yes, the average skill level of pro artists, even Patreon coomer artists, is quite high. It doesn't feel unreachable though. I can't bring myself to be all doom and gloom about it, but if you want to convince yourself that it's impossible and quit then go right ahead.

[Anonymous No.4478180]

>>4478175
jesus fucking christ can you stop putting words into peoples mouths.

[Anonymous No.4478200]

Not even Michelangelo thought this.

[Anonymous No.4478211]

>>4478085
>How can you draw as well as you can when you’ve already decided that you’re going to suck forever?
Just because you realize talent exists, doesn't mean you must think that you suck big time.
I can draw well and like my stuff, but I know that I never could a really great artist. You have to be born to be that good.
If you simply don't have the genetics for it, and not the right environment, then you are out of luck. This doesn't mean you can't still develope something neat (most people probably could), but you will never be one of those amazing artists.

[Anonymous No.4478238]

I'm ok with being mediocre desu
I don't know why everyone always tries to be the best

I'm ok with just putting the stuff in my head on paper

What's the point of seeking glory ya know?

[Anonymous No.4478240]

>>4478211
Genetics only matter if you're competing with the top 1% of artists. But you do not need to be nearly that good to see success, or even money or fame or a job. Heck money is mainly your ability to make appealing drawings and market yourself more than it is raw skill. You think Proko is a legendary artist? He isn't but he knows what people want to see.

And just like the video game market, art is oversaturated and competitive so the few people who outshine on raw skill are really insane. You put an overemphasis on how much genetics really play a factor. You probably won't go down in history as GOAT but you can make a good living through hard work, continuous interest, right environment, networking, marketing, and right support system. Anyone who complains about >muh genetics as the reason for still being /beg/ is colossally retarded and are just looking for an excuse to escape because they aren't enjoying it. Like just quit, nobody fucking cares. Your genetics have nothing to do with your shit attitude.

[Anonymous No.4478246]

>>4477366
But is that plateau the same for everybody? What if you "level out" at a much lower level?

[Anonymous No.4478253]

>>4478246
Only one way to find out.

[Anonymous No.4478254]

>>4478240
>Genetics only matter if you're competing with the top 1% of artists.
Bullshit. I think you just heavily underestimate how stupid people actually can be. There are people out there who can't even properly read or write, and you expect them to become a full professional artist. It's hillarious.

>Anyone who complains about >muh genetics as the reason for still being /beg/ is colossally retarded
Why do you constantly acting like I was /beg/ tier? Get your head of your ass. I am not beginner at all. I just know that talöent exists, because I know many people could never do what I do, just like I could never do the stuff really great artists did.

[Anonymous No.4478263]

>>4478254
Post some artwork that you think is really great that you could never do?
Someone else's work, not your work.

[Anonymous No.4478269]

>>4477345
wrong this was senior year, freshman was the dinosaur thing

[Anonymous No.4478280]

>>4477339
doesnt his son draw well

[Anonymous No.4478282]

>>4477332
You’re guaranteed to always be terrible when you don’t put in the hours. What’s your point?

[Anonymous No.4478288]

>>4477361
>Japs symbol draw and copy their favorite artists as kids while learning
give proof of this and other examples of kids being this good

[Anonymous No.4478292]

>>4477299
yeah it is but not artistic talent its the talent of not being a fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.4478294]

>>4478280
That seems like a case of nurture more that nature. Have him send a new son to a different family and see how well he draws after 20 years.

[Anonymous No.4478303]

>>4477369
she is so powerful... strength she has...

[Anonymous No.4478309]

>>4478288
Inshin no Yuki the debut work of 13-year-old mangaka Hoshiki Nana.
https://mangadex.org/title/34770/inshin-no-yuki

[Anonymous No.4478327]

Lmao @ you faggots, you never gonna make it if you waste time in threads like this one, I read the op, I'm posting this here, bye

[Anonymous No.4478354]

>>4477853
This is where prioritizing on learning matters. Break art you like down and replicate it. Try to understands each component like shape, color, etc individually than just going into a final product like the pic in the post you replied to. Once you have a better understanding of each individual thing only then can you be faster and better. It's like grinding fundies but with the art you like. Don't expect instant gratification progress comes slowly but it exists.

[Anonymous No.4478361]

>>4477954
post it

[Anonymous No.4478370]

>>4478309
This doesn't show her copying their favorite artist this is just original work. I want a comparison between a kids work starting out and the source material they copied from. I copied artists I loved when I was a kid and was (still am) obviously big. I want to see other kids being as good as muratas daughter using the same tactic.

[Anonymous No.4478371]

>>4478370
>big
meant /beg/

[Anonymous No.4478449]

>>4478370
You think she learned fundamentals then came up with that style?
It's a very average manga style.
There's multiple manga about manga where they discuss copying their favorites growing up.

[Anonymous No.4478473]

>>4478449
I am not denying the practice, like I said I even did it myself. I doubt every kid in japan doing it gets that good so young though like it is foolproof. I wanted to see other examples so I can be proven wrong.

[Anonymous No.4478563]

>>4477299
Never. May as well worry about my genetics before even putting a foot in a gym. If talent exists, I'll find how talented I am by working. If it doesn't, I'll make it by working. Same shit.

[Anonymous No.4478797]

People who dont believe in talent are literal morons.

[Anonymous No.4478801]

>>4478797
Dunning Krüger effect. Same kind of people who see someone doing something impressive and then respond to with "I can do that too, hold my beer!"

[Anonymous No.4478807]

>>4477399
Didnt say i was gonna leave

[Anonymous No.4478829]

>>4478563
keep fooling yourself talentlet, theres nothing else for you to believe anyway since your art must be shitte.

[Anonymous No.4478834]

>>4478797
>>4478801
>>4478829
k

[Anonymous No.4479005]

I CANT EVEN DRAW THE CIRCLE IN LOOMIS WHAT THE FCK

[Anonymous No.4479138]

>>4477672
>Normal people without talent aren't able to draw for 10 hours a day without rest.
so basically ADHD

[Anonymous No.4479424]

the feeling that im not going to make it creeps on me more and more, Im going to end up blowing my brains out for being so retarded

[Anonymous No.4479432]

>>4477299
after i realized some official things are piss poor because the """""talent"""""" behind it is a hack

[Anonymous No.4479452]

There is a great fallacy in here that only proves that most of /ic/ are high school dropouts. IQ generally measures the mathematical-logical-verbal parts of the brain. And the part of the brain that is directly involved with drawing IS NOT the same one that IQ exams test.
Here's the scientific proof:
"Drawing and spatial abilities share common conceptual ground. Both have been associated with
similar cognitive functions. They are related in mental function through a relationship in which
drawing is dependent on spatial ability and spatial ability may be enhanced through drawing."
Retrieved from: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED409859.pdf
You're a bunch of fucking dunning-krugers

[Anonymous No.4479455]

>>4477299
I’ve known my whole life because I was born with it.

[Anonymous No.4479468]

>>4479452
IQ measures how quickly you learn things. People with high IQ are able to learn pretty much anything with ease, skills, foreign languages, problem solving, etc...

Art is a skill. People with high IQ are able to learn how to draw very quickly, just the same as they can pick up foreign languages in a shorter time than your average person.

[Anonymous No.4479472]

>>4479468
You didn't read the pdf don't you babe? Funny how you talk about IQ yet you can't read a few paragraphs. Dunning-Kruger at its best.

[Anonymous No.4479473]

>>4479472
I don’t need to read your pdf to understand what IQ is intended to be a measurement of.

[Anonymous No.4479476]

>>4479452
very based
4479473
very cringe

[Anonymous No.4479487]

>>4479476
Low IQ retards like you should go >>>/Reddit/

[Anonymous No.4479489]

>>4477343
It's over. An entire generation of these kids growing up with a free infinite library of refined resources at their disposal, just mouseclicks away. New digital tools that allow them to do things old artists would've taken days to accomplish. How the fuck are millennials who grew up with AOL supposed to compete?

We HAVE to crab. Millennials/boomers, RISE UP

[Anonymous No.4479491]

you guys can't draw?

[Anonymous No.4479494]

>>4479473
Ok, Dunning Kruger. NGMI.

[Anonymous No.4479506]

>>4477343
anime style is aesthetic but its not on model to human features, shes ten but those are some shocking fingies

[Anonymous No.4479510]

>>4479506
The seething jelly off this retard. Bro, she’s 10. TEN. Show us your drawings as a 10 yo.

[Anonymous No.4479513]

>>4479506
Her hands are good considering she's 10.

[Anonymous No.4479516]

>>4477299
Probably reading any demoralization thread would
deteriorate your motivation if you start dooming.
>>4479513
He's probably teaching her thats why
>tfw never get a dad like that

[Anonymous No.4479520]

>>4479489
Think of it, right now HUNDREDS, maybe even THOUSANDS of zoomers with all the resources in the world in their pocket are grinding away DOZENS of sketchbooks a year each, dedicatingly learning and gathering knowledge from the best of the best, not even limited by medium with the avent of digital art. Even a teen starting now has a huge fucking boost, and with the quarantine the have even more time! It's fucking over

[Anonymous No.4479524]

>>4477343
I think she just copied them, showed it to her father, and he corrected her hard enough so should she could copy effectively and try to draw them from memory.
Yeah this is what having a great artist as a teacher does to you when you're young.
You guys immediately assume talent but never thought about all the incorrect copies and mistakes she must've made to get to that level. She has had to put hours of drawing into making this which every beginner here should do instead of whining about how shit you are at drawing.

[Anonymous No.4479527]

none of you can draw at all can you?

[Anonymous No.4479530]

>>4479513
Her line control and gesture are nuts for a 10 yo. She’s already able to master drawing in 3D despite being so young. That’s insane.

>>4479510
He’s trying really hard to not cope, nitpicking at the details on a 10yo’s piece, despite that fact that the strengths she shows, shows a lot of competence in art for a 10yo. She’s already overcome a lot of the hurdles most people struggle with in their first few years. Things like perspective, line control, gesture, construction, proportion, expression, and most importantly: composition. This kid is already drawing better than most people who study art for a couple years do.

[Anonymous No.4479531]

>talent exists in every area of human endeavor
>EXCEPT art
How do you delude yourself to believe this?

[Anonymous No.4479532]

>>4477975
obviously aquarius's have the advantage as we have a harder time coping with people thus we find comfort in drawing and observing it as thats what keeps up grounded

[Anonymous No.4479534]

>>4479531
I don't know but I bet you can't even draw at all

[Anonymous No.4479535]

>>4479524
And who taught Murata, genius?

[Anonymous No.4479539]

>>4479473
Confirmed retard

[Anonymous No.4479545]

>>4479534
Not him, but I agree with him. And yes, I can draw. I’m speaking as someone WITH natural talent. Idk what it is with people trying so hard to deny that some people are born with better latent ability and potential than others, when we’ve grown up our whole lives not KNOWING IQ exists, but also growing alongside people who were more and less competent than us at various things.

IQ exists.

It affects how quickly you learn things.

But it also requires you apply yourself.

People with high IQ who apply themselves will always be better than people with low IQ or who don’t apply themselves. That’s life dude. IQ is and always has been a good indicator of success in life.

[Anonymous No.4479548]

>>4479545
I'm looking for someone who can draw and this whole website is just so depressing

[Anonymous No.4479549]

>>4479539
You’d be wrong.

[Anonymous No.4479556]

>>4479548
People who can draw exist on this board, we just don’t post often cause we’re busy drawing and we’re so sick of the constant stupidity thrown around on this board.

[Anonymous No.4479560]

>>4479556
I want you to eat the loomis book, bake it, microwave it whatever. Cut it up and eat it like its a steak dinner then come to me about who can draw

[Anonymous No.4479561]

>>4479548
Rather not post my art in this shithole.

[Anonymous No.4479563]

>>4479561
you don't have any art, because that would imply I gave you permission to draw at some point

[Anonymous No.4479565]

>>4479560
You don’t have to crab, anon. You gotta deal with other peope being better than you at things.

[Anonymous No.4479567]

>>4479565
AI steak sauce, I have found it goes down better

[Anonymous No.4479568]

>>4479520
SHUT THE FUCK UP. IT'S NOT OVER.
You are panicking hard right now and you need to stop. Of course zoomers are sketching hard in their books rn. So are the old masters, the pros, intermediates, and beginners. Just because you see some fucking children drawing better than you you're gonna give up over some fucking "talent"? This 10 year old has a fucking master artist basically an art teacher behind her back.


You don't think neither of them had worked their ass of to get gud art?


I just don't get /ic/ you guys praise jap artists as gods and whenever they spit something out you bitches wanna call that "talent". Nigger no, everyone should know that jap culture is VERY hardworking. 4chan out of all places should know this.

Stop pulling out the these "talent" threads, start fucking drawing, grinding fundies, and emulating some soulful beautiful shit.
I'd be damned if i let /ic/ became the ultimate woe is me crabbaby zone while a FUCKING QUARTINE is happening out there and you shitheads are wasting time pissing panties because art isn't instantly gratifying enough for you.

GO FUCKING DRAW

[Anonymous No.4479571]

>>4479568
I think you should all give up, that's just my opinion. My diagnosis is you all aren't hungry enough

[Anonymous No.4479574]

>>4479565
Fucking this. You gotta accept that in life, there will always be people who are better than you. People who were born better, luckier, had more advantages, etc... reasons are endless. But that shouldn’t discourage you from doing your best. Do the best you can with what you got, and live up to your own potential rather than trying to outcompete people with more natural advantages out of some absurd insecurity-driven ego trip.

[Anonymous No.4479575]

>>4479574
my problem is I can't find anyone better than me, it sucks because I don't know where to go from here, I got nothing to compare to

[Anonymous No.4479576]

>>4479575
Post your work buddy. You’re sounding very Dunning Krugger right about now.

I get the feeling I’m better than you: chagoxchago.artstation.com

And I can name at least 5 artists on /ic/ who are better than me.

So go on... show us what you’re made of.

[Anonymous No.4479583]

>>4479576
why do you do this to me? why do you give me false hope that I could find someone better than me? You are just cruel. At least tell me this krugger guy is better than you?

[Anonymous No.4479587]

>>4479583
You'd have an easier time killing God himself than making a piece better than even Kruggers worst sketches.

[Anonymous No.4479588]

>>4479576
Anon, he’s baiting you.

[Anonymous No.4479594]

>>4479587
I have to see these sketches, my life depends on it

[Anonymous No.4479604]

>>4479571
I disagree with your opinion anon. We both don't know how any anon on this board is living and what environment, place, situation, etc that effects the hungriness for getting better at art

Sure there are some crabby anons that are full of spite anger and patheticness but i believe anyone can make it if they are pushed hard enough to their limit.
People could actually become pros if they wanted to and finally get out of this place.

Since the loudest majority on this board are beginners i feel like what they need right now is inspiration and motivation to keep going. My theory is that once they have fun with art, learn fundies, emulate etc that's when they have the hungriness for art. To truely get better.

If i could inspire at least one person to buckle down and make it then i at least know i made it while knowing another anon has made it with me.

[Anonymous No.4479608]

>>4479531
Best girl

[Anonymous No.4479613]

This entire board really is crabs in a bucket, Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.4479629]

Why do you keep screaming cope at people that disagree with you?
Lets say that talent is real.
So what?
Is this thread literally just for you to scream about talented people?
Why come to this board or try art in the first place?
If it upsets you that much, go do something else.

[Anonymous No.4479643]

>>4479629
I'm sick of normies and talentlets trying to pick up drawing complaining that they haven't made huge leaps of progress and convincing themselves that they've gotten burn out, when in reality they just didn't actually like drawing that much.

[Anonymous No.4479646]

>>4479643
This. Even moreso when they try to pretend talent doesn’t exist.

[Anonymous No.4479650]

>>4477299
Why would anyone give wojak an ear?

[Anonymous No.4479669]

>>4479646
I don't care if they cope, I know what its like to feel talentless, As that's what I felt when I started drawing pretty late compared to some people and it took many hours and motivation for the talent too really show. My problem is them bitching and screaming about it everywhere they go, in every community, bringing along with them destructive concepts like burnout, shitty self help books, and other crap that could end up hindering, or even stopping someone with potential. Its incredibly infuriating to watch.

[Anonymous No.4479686]

>>4479650
>tfw gauguin says you're ngmi again

[Anonymous No.4479693]

>>4477299
Talent does not exist. Only effort does. I used to not be able to move around the camera in Unreal Engine when I first started but these days I have no issues designing entire maps and importing animations of 3D models I have made. Hell I just started drawing seriously less than six days ago and I am already seeing improvements in just three completed works. It’s all about that overcoming that fear and self-doubt that determines whether or not you will achieve your goals. You are your own biggest obstacle with that attitude.

[Anonymous No.4479705]

>>4479693
Speaking of, I find UE4 interesting, but difficult to learn. Aside from their YT what’s a good place for resources. I mean, stuff you found useful. And how long did it take you to learn it?

[Anonymous No.4479707]

>>4477299
when I was born talented

[Anonymous No.4479708]

>>4479693
Any pics? Not trying to trash you, I'm just curious how levels/models by one person can look.
I always imagined making game needing lots of people. Do you make it all or use asset shops?

[Anonymous No.4479710]

>>4477299
If talent was real I wouldn't have to grind all this fucking anatomy you fucking pleb.

[Anonymous No.4479724]

>>4479710
>If talent was real I'd be able to dunk!

[Anonymous No.4479727]

>>4479705
I have been earning my BFA in Game Art so I had some good teachers at my tiny online school that were always there to answer questions. Honestly I probably could have learned everything I did by YT videos and other websites but you teach yourself a ton of things when you experiment by yourself and mess around with all of the different tools. Just like Photoshop you will probably never use half of them for anything in 3D related programs like Maya typically.
>>4479708
It’s a mix for me. Buying/getting free assets off the Unreal marketplace and other 3D sites helps with saving time. Making a bunch of different assets mix within a single level can be a bit tricky though. I have been mostly just designing levels based off of the framework of a TPS pack I found. Once you have a lot of the work done for you, you can you go in and swap out character and weapon models or hud elements like I did. Hell I even changed gun sounds and things like jump height to fit with my theme more. I’ll post some pics if the thread is still going later when I get back to my computer.

[Anonymous No.4479751]

>>4478282
>"but my point is..."
>dur wutd ur point

Fucking moron

[Anonymous No.4479779]

>>4479452
You ARE aware that IQ tests have sections explicitly aimed at measuring the subjects linguistic, mathematical and visual problemsolving skills, precisely to differentiate between different aspects of intelligence, right? Do you think that for some strange reason everyone is equally skilled at visual thinking?

[Anonymous No.4479807]

>>4477638
You focus way to much on fundies anon. Like learning guitar scales and chords are the foundation of being a musician but if you never copy your favorite songs or artists or constantly risk techniques or music outside your wheel house then you will always be a soulless hack that just knows fundementals but can’t make music or know how to jam with someone. Make art anon, constantly. Even if it’s shit. Just make a constant effort to not get comfortable and complacent. I guarantee you Kim jung gi has drawn almost every pose a person can have 10000 fucking times. And it didn’t start out looking good I can tell you that. He draws non fucking stop all the time. If anyone grinded art as hard as he did they would be amazing.

[Anonymous No.4479833]

>>4477376
t. blames their parents for their shit life decisions

[Anonymous No.4479884]

>>4479489
Ok boomer

[Anonymous No.4479927]

>>4477299
>significant determiner of artistic success
Is nepotism

[Anonymous No.4479936]

>>4479807
>If anyone grinded art as hard as he did they would be amazing.
Wrong, you can grind art your whole life and still be shit. It also takes a certain intellect to draw well.

[Anonymous No.4479967]

>>4479936
anyone can get decently good at anything with enough practice for self satisfaction anon. You faggots are just too hung up on being the next Einstein, Bach or kim jung gi. Im a bonified retard and through sheer force of will and practice have gotten gud at different musical instruments and hobbies.

[Anonymous No.4480088]

>>4477351
ohh my fucking god im twice her age but her lines already have a good feel to them, look at the pupils size, both are the same size the same with eyebrows, with such observation skills at 10 if she felt like it 3 months and she is better than me
time to kms
jk lool
im still going to do my thing, seeing someone be dealt a better hand at life is nothing new at all.

[Anonymous No.4480093]

>>4478361
he wont come back ever, brain makes old memories seem far better than they are lool

[Anonymous No.4480147]

>>4477474
Making it out of round 1 pools against some other trash boat who is also terrible is not impressive at all so that novel you just wrote means nothing
Youre nowhere near tournament level and its because you dont know all the shit you just said you dont know

[Anonymous No.4480168]

>ITT: peepul who make it have high iq.
>kim jung gi has high iq
>murata has high iq
>murata's daughter has high iq
>vilppu has high iq
>great masters have high iq
>you have no high iq u won't mak it
>btw i'm beginner i not know how draw lol XD

[Anonymous No.4480171]

>>4479520
And they will all still be absolute shit, only ever copying what's popular at the moment

Talent is what allows an artist to set a trend instead of following it. You can grind forever but all you'll ever be without that creative intellect is a human xerox machine

[Anonymous No.4480174]

>>4480168
Nice strawman, but I have high IQ, draw better than you, and am already making it.

[Anonymous No.4480175]

>>4480174
Pyw and a verifiable iq test

[Anonymous No.4480176]

>>4480168
I have high IQ I hope I will make it

[Anonymous No.4480177]

>>4480088
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.4480187]

>>4479967
>Im a bonified retard
you didn't respond by parroting the current fotm buzzwords and your sentence structure and vocabulary aren't that bad either, so I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.4480193]

>>4480174
post patreon I want to subscribe

[Anonymous No.4480199]

>>4480168
Why do you keep obsessing over this begginer cope? I doubt anyone itt thread is a beginner artist.

Just because ypu acknowledge that talnet is a very real thing doesnt make you a beginner faggot.


Yiu need to understanf that Theres always a bigger fish.
Not everyone is going to make it.

Prople are different and have varying levels of skill that sometimes propels them leagues above their peers that no amount of hard work can compare to.
Thats just fucking life.

[Anonymous No.4480209]

>>4477497
>>4479506
cope

[Anonymous No.4480367]

I am 30 and could say I'm twice as better than Murata's daughter and I never drawn anything significant in 20 years. Feels good to be talented

[Anonymous No.4480375]

When I made it and all of my peers didn't, even though I was pretty lazy the entire time.

[Anonymous No.4480377]

where were you when murata daughter literally destroyed this board?

[Anonymous No.4480380]

Talent isn't an inborn skills, it's inborn potential.

Someone with "talent" (Iq 130+ with a high degree of natural creativity, lateral thinking, and spacial understanding) will progress very rapidly as their brain solves the spacial and aesthetic problems of art very quickly. EG: Sinix

Someone without talent (iq 105 normie who desperately wants to be an artist) will spend 3 times the amount of time as the talented one and not progress as far, just because he can't think as good, can't come up with as interesting idea on the macro level of subject matter, or on the micro level of design/pose, and will plateau much earlier. As a result even if they put a ton of effort into trying to consciously improve, they just spin their wheels in the mud trying things that don't work. EG: Sycra

[Anonymous No.4480386]

>>4479452
Like every IQ test now is a spacial intelligence test, like raven matrices.

You're the DK anon.

[Anonymous No.4480478]

>>4480380
best description of talent in this thread

[Anonymous No.4480486]

This thread is painful to read
I didnt realize how many defeatist pussies frequented this board
Go practice idiots
Just because your daddy isnt a famous artist giving you 24/7 professional level coaching doesn’t mean you can’t learn to make good art
Go fuckin cry somewhere else

[Anonymous No.4480495]

>>4480486
you don't have to be a sad, delusional dreamer to work hard at achieving your goals.

[Anonymous No.4480545]

>>4480486
I’m expecting more vent threads being created now, lmao.

[Anonymous No.4481073]

>>4478147
>https://www.patreon.com/misfile
wtf ?

[Anonymous No.4481108]

>>4477313
>IQ
Let me guess, you also think that the MeyerBriggs Test is totally accurate and not just hogwash pseudoscience?

[Anonymous No.4481113]

>>4479452
IQ test measure something, but it’s definitely not fluid intelligence. It’s more comparable to playing useless brain games that have no connection to the outer world

[Anonymous No.4481117]

>>4479530
>Things like perspective, line control, gesture, construction, proportion, expression, and most importantly: composition.
what do you mean? those are copies of toilet bound hanako kun, only line control applies

[Anonymous No.4481118]

>>4479452
The study confuses correlation and causality. It is not clear if it’s drawing that improves spatial abilities or if you need good spatial abilities to draw.

[Anonymous No.4481120]

>>4479545
Ok pyw

[Anonymous No.4481122]

Everyone who believes in IQ must also always post their work, or else their advice is useless

[Anonymous No.4481124]

>>4479556
Is that sol badguy

[Anonymous No.4481231]

>>4481113
It's extremely correlative with income.

[Anonymous No.4481249]

show me one artist that has "talent" who didn't start drawing when they were young

[Anonymous No.4481277]

does it matter? just draw and have fun. i believe in you all, even if you don't.

[Anonymous No.4481351]

>>4481277
I will begin monday anon, I will learn vilppu and proko stuff and be the best /beg/ there is.

[Anonymous No.4481372]

>>4479513
How to teach a kid to be this good? What’s Murata’s secret for spreading the spark?

[Anonymous No.4481373]

>>4481372
Having fucking decades of experience?
On top of interacting with others who also have fucking decades of experience?
And knowing the person and all of their learning quirks because shes your own fucking daughter so you can personally tailor her lessons perfectly?

[Anonymous No.4481376]

Natural talent is real, but it's not really that important, except you are dumb as fuck.
What is much more important is growing up in a good environment. No matter how much talent you have, if you lack the work ethics, you can't do much with the talent.

[Anonymous No.4481383]

>>4481373
in other words, you don't have an answer to >>4481372s question, you're just filling in the blanks in your understanding with symbols representing authority
decades of experience that amount to what? interacting with other who taught you what? knowing your daughter and tailoring lessons to her how? you can't answer any of those questions.

[Anonymous No.4481384]

>>4481373
If that’s the case why can’t you teach us crabs you know and understand so well with your decades of experience?

[Anonymous No.4481387]

>>4481372
>not realizing education is key here
Discipline your child to not be lenient in drawing and she’ll get good too

[Anonymous No.4481406]

>>4481383
Not him, but when you grow up with a real professional artist as a father, you will probably just naturally pick up the pencil yourself a lot, and you will be surrounded by a lot of inspiration too.

The pics are not even that impressive. When I was 14 I could draw much better already and I didn't grow up with any artists in the family.

[Anonymous No.4481463]

>>4481384
I dont have decades of experience
I dont recall claiming i did

[Anonymous No.4481465]

>>4481383
If you want a fucking specific lesson plan or something you would have to ask the dude himself what the fuck kind of psychic do you think i am idiot?

[Anonymous No.4481470]

>>4481373
How about you answer my questions before asking more questions?

[Anonymous No.4481474]

>>4481277
Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.4481479]

>>4481383
>>4481465
Imagine having a pro looking over your shoulder 24/7 noticing your every mistake and being able to tell you EXACTLY what youre doing wrong and knowing EXACTLY how to express it to you in a clear and concise way that you can easily digest, perfectly tailoring your learning experience to you using techniques they have picked up over decades combined with techniques they have learned about from other professional artists who themselves have decades of experience that they have interacted with extensively over the years as a pro
Its the perfect environment to raise an aspiring artist in

[Anonymous No.4481556]

This self-defeating bullshit thread again?

I don't care if talent is real or not. I don't care if I'm talented or not. Why whine about shit you can't control? This insecurity is worthless and only makes it more difficult to enjoy art and appreciate other people's art when it's better than yours.

I draw because I like drawing. Call it a cope if you want, but it is what it is. All I can say is, the drawings I make today are better than the drawings I made a few months ago. And a few months from now, I'll say the same thing. Knowing that, and knowing I enjoy the craft, is all I need to know to keep going.

So can we just stop this incessant, self-pitying bullshit?

[Anonymous No.4481586]

>>4477299
but anon learning how to get gud is a never ending journey

[Anonymous No.4481596]

>>4481383
Glenn keane faggot, his father was the artist of family circus. Talent isn't real, some people just started at a younger age and had someone mentoring them.

[Anonymous No.4481621]

>>4477299
who is that psycho making wojack edits with ears?
i've seen a lot of those

[Anonymous No.4481623]

>>4481596
So your one example you pulled out of your ass suddenly dispproves that talent isnt real..?
I dont think so buddy.

[Anonymous No.4481636]

>>4481623
i agree
you should give up
dont bother trying
you dont have the gift idiot

[Anonymous No.4481721]

>>4481623
Yea you should give up art, anon.

[Anonymous No.4481751]

It's so fucking obvious that all the anti-talent faggots here only don't believe in talent, because they are talentless themselves.

I have talent, that's why I know it exists. You are just fucking morons with Dunning Krueger effect.

[Anonymous No.4481785]

>>4477299
Your statement is false.

[Anonymous No.4481797]

>talent = iq
>talented artists have high iqs

funny how anons ITT say this but never seem to back it up, you'd think they'd be the first to be posting the iq scores for like kim jung gi or dave repoza or whatever.

[Anonymous No.4481818]

>>4481785
Your post is cope

[Anonymous No.4481840]

idk this feels like a gross oversimplication. there's a lot of factors that go into someone being artistically successful.

eg.
>what school they went to
>what media they consume
>how much they practice
>who they were influenced by
>teachers, friends, family
>their culture surrounding art
>the environment they grew up or worked in
>their self motivation
>and maybe, talent

what I mean to say is that you can't really control all of these factors to create 'the perfect talented artist' so just take what you have and make the best out of it instead of giving up so easily. just do your best, dont worry about the little things

[Anonymous No.4481847]

>>4481797
You improve at art by thinking good, IQ is how good you think.

Very simple brudder.

[Anonymous No.4481978]

>>4481797
Low IQ post.

[Anonymous No.4482417]

>>4477299
Never because every great artist has grinded for thousand of hours. Honestly if you don't enjoy the grind then what are you doing? I think a bulk of you need to stop hating yourselves, you don't just hate your art you hate yourself. Seek help. Get therapy. How to be a 3% man by corey wayne is great take a break from making art.

[BCS !aM/SiLoKZA No.4482452]

>>4477299

When ZONE fucking got the Skullgirls job over ME!!!

me - WTF *flames and cyberstalks Lab Zero for the next 6 years or so*

them - damn you hold a grudge a long ass time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntrZ7aWbo7A

[Anonymous No.4482472]

>>4477704
High education (including art) is available for anyone with IQ>80.

[Anonymous No.4482545]

>>4481751
Sounds like you’re just a dumb self-centered faggot who thinks he’s better than he actually is

[Anonymous No.4483048]

>>4482452
>me
Literally who

[Anonymous No.4483051]

>>4482452
Oh, apologies fella I googled your tripcode, you're just some random autist

[Anonymous No.4483347]

It's not fair bros, it's not fair. If I dye my hair black and get plastic surgery on my eyes to make them more slanted then will I finally make it! Is that what it takes to become a gmi? Will I magically start making art gainz if I do that?