dont fall for the fundies meme

[Anonymous No.4476671]

Beginner here working on my third ever painting

Why the fuck did you retards make me waste my time downloading loomis books when I can just throw down colors and refine it until it looks right?

[Anonymous No.4476676]

>>4476671
Try doing something without copying a photograph.

[Anonymous No.4476677]

>>4476671
1- you can only do that in digital
2- you're actually drawing so you're bound to progress compared to the majority that do more critique than artwork

[Anonymous No.4476684]

>>4476676
I only really care about painting pictures from my porn folder

>>4476677
I'm a beginner that started by buying a drawing tablet, obviously I only care about digital painting

[Anonymous No.4476686]

>>4476671
Imagine thinking that looks good or right

[Anonymous No.4476694]

>>4476686
/thread

[Anonymous No.4476696]

>>4476676
Terrible advice

[Anonymous No.4476697]

>>4476686
It's obviously not done..I do think it's pretty good progress given the process though

The point is that I could keep going until it does look good

[Anonymous No.4476703]

>>4476676
Why the fuck?
Fucking retards here man.

[Anonymous No.4476704]

>>4476697
Then finish it, you stupid retard. I'll wait, I'm here 24/7 anyways.

[Anonymous No.4476710]

>>4476671

If you’re a beg thats breddy fucking gud.

[Anonymous No.4476727]

>>4476704
im a beg I don't finish anything

[Anonymous No.4476736]

>>4476676
>>4476677
>>4476686
>>4476694
>>4476704
Digital is the only thing that matters paper and pencil are outdated as fuck same with Loomis shit, I almost fell for that bullshit since Monday I was reading Loomis and perspective fucking shit I started copying IG thots and adding clothes and hair, also I don't give a fuck and the whole world don't give a fuck if you copy something the result is the only thing that matters, glad that I didn't wasted my time on Loomis and proko shit, now I'm in the third page of my webcomic and it looks sick, fuck the sticky and fuck the "learn the hard way" meme, your 30s books will keep you in the mediocrity forever

[Anonymous No.4476738]

>>4476671
Well, you are copying a photo. That's... creative in a way. Can you make some poses for me with a bunnygirl from imagination and with a background?

[Anonymous No.4476741]

>>4476671

[Anonymous No.4476742]

>>4476738
Well there is almost EVERY pose and background imaginable on the internet, why I should waste my time learning to draw a particular pose? I mean, in a world without internet you need to learn how to create a pose, but we have internet and unlimited access to infinite poses

[Anonymous No.4476745]

>>4476671
You're doing good OP. Godspeed.

[Anonymous No.4476746]

>>4476671
Dunning kruger effect. Your thot looks flat and muddy as shit and you are not especial for copying shit, everyone can.

[Anonymous No.4476750]

>>4476671
Can you please give me a quick rundown bud? Which tablet are you using and your color palette please that looks sick as fuck just a little tutorial

[Anonymous No.4476764]

Gahahaha.
Mr budget photocopier.

[Anonymous No.4476771]

>>4476671

[Anonymous No.4476774]

>>4476736
autistic gmi braindamaged retard god tier

>>4476746
>>4476764
herculanean Loomemeis cope chans

[Anonymous No.4476775]

>>4476771
Do you have more of this guy in good quality?

[Anonymous No.4476781]

>>4476775
>this guy
sad

I have a whole folder full of these

[Anonymous No.4476785]

>>4476781
the youth know not of teal

[Anonymous No.4476786]

>>4476781
I know it's the teallineguy, his stuff is hard to find in good quality.

[Anonymous No.4476790]

>>4476671
Actually going to give an answer.
The problem with what your doing is that you don't actually understand the subject, or what your actually doing at all. Every beginner and amateur starts out this way, simply drawing from reference over and over again until it looks right or they're happy with it. Nothing is "wrong" with this, at least as a hobbyist. But eventually you'll become dissatisfied. You'll try, say, drawing from imagination. Now your completely lost because your completely working from muscle memory, the only things that will look good are things that have been burned into your hand and mind through repetition. Why? Because you don't actually understand the shapes, colors or anything else. You'll be working really inefficiently and frustratingly.

[Anonymous No.4476806]

>>4476786
dunno about quality, but here's an imgur repository from a few years ago: https://imgur.com/gallery/8eHzD

his crits have had a hugely profound influence on me over the years. everyone should see them.

[Anonymous No.4476815]

>>4476806
Most of that folder is in bad quality, thanks anyway. I agree that guy is really good at explaining.

[Anonymous No.4476824]

>>4476671
Nobody is forcing you to do anything you mongoloid, learn the way you think is best for you.

[Anonymous No.4476826]

>>4476671
Hey if that works for you more power to you. I'd rather learn to actually draw.

[Anonymous No.4476833]

>>4476750
im really not the one to ask for advice lmao, but to answer:

a cheap huion 1060 plus and I'm literally just color picking from the reference like a retard(i try to only pick a limited amount of colors from the reference at the start and then eventually just pick from other spots in my work though)

I'm also using aaron griffin brush set if that helps. Just google it, it's on his deviant art. Im too dumb to take full advantage of it but it looks cool which is a good motivator

My only real advice is to just keep fucking going. Look at the first ~10 seconds of the video. It looks absolutely fucking retarded and not even a little like the ref. That was probably more than 10 minutes real time of looking at that garbage. Yet I kept going until it resembled the reference just a little bit and once you get to that point it's much easier because you're just gradually refining different spots until they look okay

[Anonymous No.4476838]

>>4476684
> I only really care about painting pictures from my porn folder
Do not waste our time.

[Anonymous No.4476839]

>>4476806
>>4476815
These are great, but seconding the other anon in saying the image quality is pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.4476851]

>>4476671
1:1 copying isn't impressive and takes very little time to learn. The book Drawing From The Right Side of the Brain essentially teaches that, and that's an absolute beginner book. Try drawing anything that isn't basically photocopying and you won't be able to. If you want to actually create art instead of render a preexisting picture you will need to know your fundies.

References aren't supposed to be studied for their flat 2D shapes (negative space, shapes of shadows, etc) because that all changes the instant the subject moves like 1 inch. Its good to avoid symbol drawing but that's basically it. You look at references to understand their 3D shape in space be able to break it down into simple forms, so you can learn how to alter it however you want and be creative with it.

Try drawing her in literally any different pose or style and make it look convincing.

[Anonymous No.4476857]

>>4476838

are we pretending this board isn't full of coomers

[Anonymous No.4476865]

>>4476736


>your 30s books will keep you in the mediocrity forever

my fucking sides

[Anonymous No.4476866]

>>4476671
>>4476833
the method that you are employing is something called "turd polishing," and it's a practice that's very dangerous for an amateur. the fact of the matter is, just putting hours of work into a piece is not enough to make it look good if you do not have the technical comprehension of the underlying dimensionality of your subject. this will become apparent as soon as you start making hard decisions on where lines and shapes will go. things will not connect properly, curves will look awkward, the expression will be lifeless and wooden compared to the reference. and you may continue to attempt to repair these problems, but because you don't understand WHY certain proportions and gestures look appealing to the human eye, nor how to properly replicate that appeal in lines and shapes, you're just working on a product that is doomed to be time-consuming and uncanny, for little real benefit to yourself. you could save yourself the trouble if you just learn how to make proper technical decisions before you even begin.

[Anonymous No.4476900]

>>4476742
The point is to be good enough to do it without a photograph. That's the goal of drawing. You're gonna be stuck as a instagram photorealism whore. It's fine to learn from copying photos for a while, but you want to get to a point where you can do whatever you want without the limitations of a photo. If you don't care about that, whatever, but don't pretend you've discovered some grand secret about learning how to draw.

[Anonymous No.4476921]

lots of people shitting on the OP here, but depending on how you approach art and what your goals are he's completely right.

you can be a concept artist, or even an illustrator by just copying from reference and being smart about it. so if you want to work in the industry without ever trying to learn to draw from imagination, or properly learning fundies it's definitely possible

most people end up instagram photocopiers though, since it actually still takes effort to learn design skills for concept art, and/or composition if you want to be an illustrator.

[Anonymous No.4476928]

>>4476838
He's probably the worst coomer so far. At least the other ones are trying to get good to create something new.

[Anonymous No.4476979]

>>4476742
>Well there is almost EVERY pose and background imaginable on the internet
>almost EVERY pose and background imaginable
>ALMOST every imaginable
yea that's where artists come in. You IMAGINE the new ones.

[Anonymous No.4476986]

>>4476671
Give a thousand chimps a typewriter and they'll eventually recreate Shakespeare's works, but what you're essentially doing is if those chimps were given treats every time they typed the correct letter. I would challenge a chimp like you to explain any of the thought process or perhaps create your own work, but something tells me that you can't.

[Anonymous No.4476993]

>>4476979
He wouldn't understand. I'm learning as I get older that the NPC meme is abso-fucking-lutely real, and that dog-eyed animals like OP might emulate human speech- he's mentally invalid.

[Anonymous No.4476997]

I love how magically everyone in this thread go from "never draw without a reference" to "imagination bruh". Fucking hypocrites, /ic/ has always been known to promote xeroxfaggotry

[Anonymous No.4477001]

>>4476986
yea amazing analogy there retard. lots of people learn by intuition, if you ask them how they do something they won't be able to tell you

doesn't apply to OP, obviously.

look no forward

[Anonymous No.4477028]

>>4476786
>>4476806
>>4476815
>>4476839

You can put most of these through waifu2x and get get legible handwriting, at the cost of original brush strokes

[Anonymous No.4477037]

>>4476671
Knowledge is never really a waste of time, no matter the skill!
Overconfidence is dangerous anon, because it can hinder progress. If you're critical of your work you'll find gaps and then resort to somebody else with more knowledge on that area or figure it out yourself. Both are good options but the first will save you more time and it can even help you grow your artist social circle. When it's not possible or you just like to optimize learning, that's when book suggestions are helpful, in my opinion. And the sooner you are aware of a set of skills the sooner you can use them in your work, hence saving you loads of time in the long run. It's not just Loomis that's recommended either. If you don't like him you can find loads of other art books or classes online.
Good luck to everyone in this journey!

[Anonymous No.4477142]

>>4476900
is that the goal? says who?

[Anonymous No.4477145]

>all these coping fundies cucks
/ic/ gets blown the fuck out on this matter time and time again. Retards here keep grinding away at books while actual arts just draw and have fun with it.

[Anonymous No.4477156]

>>4477145
You can still draw and make fun art whilst still practicing and working on fundamentals

[Anonymous No.4477165]

>>4476900
the goal of drawing is being able to communicate concepts in an effective way to the viewer.

>>4476676
>>4476738
>>4476851
>>4476979
you guys are so fucking weird about drawing from imagination. You guys realize big movie industries and video game companies spend months researching and referencing for splash illustrations, and concept art right?

Being able to draw things from imagination WILL help you in your art career. but putting such an emphasis on it and bragging "haha I drew this from scratch" is absolutely absurd especially if you're trying to make it in the industry. Even the masters of art used live models to paint and sculpt from 99% of the time. are they also bad because they didn't draw from imagination?????

[Anonymous No.4477178]

>>4477165
Show us the webcomic fucktard

[Anonymous No.4477193]

If you're really a beginner then good job. Sometimes beginner gets stuck before they even begin because they read too many books and their head filled with too many unnecessary technique. So yeah, I agree with you. Keep learning and find your own style. There's nothing right or wrong about how you create your art.

[Anonymous No.4477196]

>>4477178
You're talking to the wrong anon, lol.

[Anonymous No.4477224]

>>4477196
Oh.
>>4476736
Show us the webcomic sextard

[Anonymous No.4477385]

>>4476900
But if I hate drawing and I just want to tell my story? I hate drawing bud but I want to tell a story with drawings so
>The point is to be good enough to do it without a photograph.
I don't want to be an artist, art is a silly joke in the modern world, in fact you're a fucking mediocre cuck who will spend 10 years reading books and practicing instead of doing something

[Anonymous No.4477411]

>>4476696
>>4476703
Xerox printers

[Anonymous No.4477553]

>>4476671
Troll or talentfag, hidden

[Anonymous No.4477559]

>>4477145
Show us some professional level work from somebody who only "draws for fun" and never do fundies.

[Anonymous No.4477579]

>>4477559
>only "draws for fun"
That's most good artists.
Here's what Murata was doing when he was 15, how much time do you think he spent "grinding fundies" before that? Like, honestly, do you think 13 year old Murata was grinding Loomis heads and anatomy or do you think he was drawing whatever the fuck he wanted to?

[Anonymous No.4477581]

Fuck forgot the pic

[Anonymous No.4477584]

>>4476671
amazing bait for loomfags

[Anonymous No.4477662]

Why is this such an issue, why can't you just do both. You cannot learn perspective and construction simply by copying. Also grouping values and creating a value structure requires specific practice. This being said it doesn't mean you have to grind whole day. Choose a topic, practice it, apply to something and repeat until you get it right.

[Anonymous No.4477686]

>>4476900
>The point is to be good enough to do it without a photograph
to you? sure

[Anonymous No.4477698]

>>4476671
Talk about talentless hack. Lets get fucking real, everyone with two working braincells can copy shit with some practice, how do I know that? I fucking did it myself, but seems alot people in this waste of a fucking board think copying crap makes them good, waste of oxygen honestly.
Next time do people a favor and shut the hell up and be stupid hack who only can copy some instagram whores out of people sight.

[Anonymous No.4477719]

>>4477165
My point was that you don't look at references for their 2D shapes and photocopy it (unless you're beginner), you study the 3D and understand how it creates those 2D shapes, so if you actually want to be creative and deviate from photos a bit, you can. But that requires knowing perspective, construction, anatomy, etc.

I actually disagree with >>4476900, references are important in all stages of art but not for the reasons OP is using it for.

[Anonymous No.4477721]

>>4476866
>the method that you are employing is something called "turd polishing," and it's a practice that's very dangerous for an amateur.

This is such a ridiculous statement to make. Do you even draw?

You're expecting a total beginner to understand "WHY certain proportions and gestures look appealing to the human eye"? Are you that dense?

Design comprehension comes after some basic sit-down-and-just-fucking-draw time. His first handful of works might look wooden, and this is fine. OP is doing much better than the rest of the board.

Keep drawing OP, the aesthetic will follow.

[Anonymous No.4477724]

>>4476671
Now try doing that without the use of a reference.

[Anonymous No.4477802]

>>4476866
Yada yada yada.
Pyw.

[Anonymous No.4478059]

OP Here

This >>4476742 isn't me btw

>>4476790
>>4476851
>>4476900
>>4476986
>>4477724

I do understand why it's important to learn the fundies but people have different goals here. Begs like me have seen shit like this timelapse and that's all they want to do. We don't want to draw from imagination, we want to photocopy until we get good enough to stylize it with brushwork and colors.

The point of this post was to show that if you have the same goal as I do, loomis might not actually be the best way to get started. Drawing is fucking boring. Just throw some colors down and keep going.

[Anonymous No.4478064]

>>4478059
Unironically going to make it.

[Anonymous No.4478069]

>>4476671
>>4478059
>some faggot who just started yesterday can already do this
Talent is literally everything, FUCK this shit I'm so done

[Anonymous No.4478071]

>>4478069
>>4478064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgDQjcdNUWs
dorks

[Anonymous No.4478118]

>>4478071
I saw it's by Aaron, it's on his ArtStation.

The OP has a winning attitude. They will make it.

[Anonymous No.4478163]

>>4478059
That's fine man do what you enjoy.

Honestly I found Loomis really fucking boring at first too, but after hitting roadblocks and having trouble I went back to it and it was a huge wealth of knowledge. It made clear and helped me fix what I was having trouble with. Tutorials or any courses are only meaningful if the problem that needs to be solved exists in the first place. If you're fine with doing what you do then there is no need for them. People jump into these books and courses without knowing why, they just think if they read them they'll magically be able to draw anime tiddies, and then they realize its fucking boring. Its not boring if you've struggled with what you want to achieve and then used them to help you achieve that.

[Anonymous No.4478167]

>>4477698
hahahahahaha fucking kys cuck keep drawing potatoheads loomisfag

[Anonymous No.4478178]

>>4478163
Oh shit bro you are unironically based.

[Anonymous No.4478184]

>>4476736
Pyw you are making me think you're at /int/ level or some shit

[Anonymous No.4478203]

Loomis is not needed - people recommend this book cause it is a good basis for beginners who want to LEARN how to DRAW and create story or design charackters.

Vilppu as example teaches about the have life in your figures, objects, etc.. so it will appear alive.

Scott Robertson, e.b., teaches about perspective - and that's something you can imply to various things in life.

Painting, Colour-Theory is again one more subject which teaches you to give your drawing/paintings a mood.

Ofc. nobody is saying you have to do that or you ngmi. It is about the subject in itself - if you can't or don't want to set your goals to get something and make it for your own - you don't have to do it.

In every field, which is build by creating/recreating something need to have a basis and without a fundament you will build something which can't keep holding it's weight cause you put everyhing which have to be at the ground, at the top.

Painting like you do is fine - if it makes you happy do it - everyone who paints/draw will keep encourage you to do so - but at a point maybe you will face a sign which will tell you "know you have to imply knowledge, or you won't pass".

Just keep having fun @ what your doin'.

[Anonymous No.4478244]

>>4477721
>You're expecting a total beginner to understand "WHY certain proportions and gestures look appealing to the human eye"?
no, just the opposite. I'm expecting a beginner to have a poor eye for detail. the advice is only to warn them of the danger that accompanies arrogance and encourage them that studying fundies actually will help train their observation. your post is wholly agreeable in fact. perhaps you misread my intentions as being more hostile than they were.

on the other hand OP has demonstrated here >>4478059 that some people actually do just have an innate talent for observation, so I digress I suppose. I agree that getting bogged down with technical information before you've even become comfortable with a pencil is a backwards and passionless way to get started. /ic/ leans on this mindset too much and it's why people are obsessed with flexing their knowledge instead of actually drawing.

>Do you even draw?
"Yes."

[Anonymous No.4478258]

>>4478244
it's not his work there numbnuts

poor reading comprehension but nice chad tho

[Anonymous No.4478270]

>>4478258
damn

[Anonymous No.4478283]

>>4478244
Alright, I take back the hostile attitude in my post :x

[Anonymous No.4478286]

>>4476671
how to open a reference image on side of canvas like that?

[Anonymous No.4478306]

>>4478286

That's edited into the video since my recording software didn't record the other windows

But you can just open the ref in photoshop and resize the window to fit it there and itll be the same thing

[Anonymous No.4478315]

>>4476736
holy based

[Anonymous No.4480323]

>>4476736
>if you copy something the result is the only thing that matters
I mean, if the only thing you ever want to do is copy instagram whores, sure. If you are somebody who actually wants to create original work, photocopying isn't an option.

[Anonymous No.4480326]

>>4476771
That's not realism.

[Anonymous No.4480332]

>>4476671
I bet OP is the kind of guy who will get an art carrer and then it gets ruined because you stol-- I mean heavily referenced others artwork without credit.

[Anonymous No.4480382]

>>4476671
Post the final piece and then post something of your own design that doesn't rely so heavily on one source of reference. So that I can laugh at you for being a clueless beg.

[Anonymous No.4480397]

>>4476851
Alright if it’s that easy, please do show us one of your good 1:1 copies you did as a beginner

[Anonymous No.4480407]

>>4477028
I assume he's complaining about the center of gravity, but that figure is clearly sitting on the "frame" of the scene behind her, thus makes perfect sense.

[Anonymous No.4480414]

>>4476993
>I’m deciding, as I feel more rejected, that [...]
You’re welcome

[Anonymous No.4480866]

>>4478059
>Drawing is fucking boring.
This is the problem with most people here, they don't even like drawing.
You are an exception, I guess. You found a process.

[Anonymous No.4480873]

>>4476671
construction is for talentless hacks like myself.

Regarding drawing being boring: I really never felt that way. It's relaxing. Now programming- this is truly boring. No matter whether its for work or fun.

[Anonymous No.4480944]

>>4480873
Total opposite for me. Programming ranges anywhere from relaxing to very fun, drawing ranges from boring to tolerable to nightmare-inducing.
I wonder how much of our differences is due to different brain structures vs what sort of experiences we had growing up (I started teaching myself programming very early, but never drew as a kid).

[Anonymous No.4480968]

>>4476671
now try to draw something as simple as a lit ball in the same enviroment as the girl?

Cant? right, now get back to your books and stop shitposting.

[Anonymous No.4481036]

>>4480873
>>4480944
I don't find drawing boring. Every moment spent drawing is torturous, and frustrating, and makes me want to gouge my eyes out so I would have no choice but to give up on it forever, but it's not boring.

I find programming pretty relaxing and enjoyable, though, despite not being very good at it yet. I think a lot of it just comes down to how easy it is for me to understand each respective process. If something goes terribly wrong when I'm programming, it's just an amusing minor setback or a chance to learn something new, because I am completely confident I will find a solution and I know how to go about finding one. Meanwhile, every setback encountered when drawing feels like an insurmountable and incomprehensible obstacle, and I never have even the slightest idea of how I'm supposed to approach it. I don't know what the process of drawing is supposed to entail, so I can't judge which methods make any sense, or what I'm supposed to take away from any particular exercise, or what techniques artists I like might be employing.

[Anonymous No.4481045]

>>4476736
>now I'm in the third page of my webcomic and it looks sick
Show us.

[Anonymous No.4481046]

>>4481036
This matches how I feel pretty well.
How old are you? When did you start learning drawing vs programming?

[Anonymous No.4481054]

>>4477579
You are not Murata.

[Anonymous No.4481058]

>>4481054
>don't do what good people did to get good, it won't work for you!
What a dumb answer.

[Anonymous No.4481077]

>>4481058
Mozart play the piano for kings when he was 5.
Do you think he get there just practicing?
Some people are gifted.
We don't.

[Anonymous No.4481079]

>>4481058
You can draw what you want, you always could. I don't know why OP is so assblasted about his frustrations. He's got this attitude of "proving us wrong and showing us how wrong we were with a vengeance." No one forced him to learn construction. If he wants to copy photos and heavily reference that's nice. Most of us here want the freedom to create original things we can call ours. No one wants to be calld a "XYZ clone"

[Anonymous No.4481173]

>>4478059
Lmao why pretend to be a beg and scare begs like this.

[Anonymous No.4481189]

>>4481079
You can create original things by doing exactly what OP is doing.
Experimenting and seeing what sticks.

[Anonymous No.4481195]

ur a gifted photocopier. proud of u

[Anonymous No.4481200]

>>4481189
I'd rather know what I am doing than relying on happy accidents as a crutch

[Anonymous No.4481203]

>>4476671
lets see the finished product

[Anonymous No.4481215]

>>4481046
I'm 32. I started attempting to learn how to draw and program "seriously" at roughly the same time. I spent some time beforehand modding games, and discovered that it was fairly easy and fun to modify scripts, import models, create textures, etc. So, I decided to take things a step further and deepen my knowledge. I'd always had an interest in both subjects, but learning them on my own had felt overly intimidating for some reason prior to getting my feet wet with modding.

I think I've spent more time drawing than programming, but I sure don't have much to show for it.

[Anonymous No.4481228]

>>4481036
Yes programming is like math, very simple in terms of what is right and what is wrong. Drawing is more like playing a sport than math, you keep missing the goal but you have no idea what to do to correct your approach to make the ball consistently.

[Anonymous No.4481230]

Guys i think OP was trying to pull wool over our eyes, he thinks he is dabbing on us with this piece, but his video is edited, who knows what he isnt showing. He probably color picked everything.

OP fuck off. Loomis is best way to start, not whatever the fuck youre doing, and you dont even know what you are doing or why youre doing it and you have no experience to prove that your way is even valid. No pro would ever agree with you, dont think you have discovered something no one had.
If you wana feel good tell yourself you can do this cuz you are so talented, retard.

[Anonymous No.4481242]

>>4478059
I get what you mean op. I feel like I'm the opposite extreme. I can build characters in poses without thinking because I fell for the ic meme when I was 14, but I can't do much else. I can think up stuff to draw, but I can't copy stuff for shit and have no comprehension of color. I'm just in it to have fun though and I think this board is missing the point sometimes. Drawing stuff is fun. Don't get broken up over other peoples ability. Even the top of the top don't know it when they're there, they've got some idol or some shit holding them down just enough to push them.

[Anonymous No.4481246]

>>4481242
>can build characters in poses without thinking
>can't copy for shit
That's obviously a much better position to be in than the reverse
>can't do color
Then just learn it.

[Anonymous No.4481299]

>>4481228
But I do know what to do in that example. Though the execution might be difficult, the underlying principles behind a sport or playing an instrument or something are generally not that hard to understand. Additionally, I can observe professionals to build an idealized image in my mind of how to perform particular techniques, and compare that to what I'm doing in order to see what mistakes I'm making. Observing artists while they work grants me no such insights, though, because I don't understand drawing well enough to follow their decision-making process. Nor can I reverse-engineer a drawing to understand how it was made.

I'm not sure exactly what my hang-up is, but it is very specifically with drawing and only drawing. I have no difficulties learning anything else, including other "artistic" skills like 3D modeling or composing music.

[Anonymous No.4481340]

>>4481036
Also started programming and drawing/3d modeling/fucking with photoshop from a relatively young age, back in the dark ages. I find all of them relaxing and fruitful so I guess I'm the odd one out. Both programming and drawing are difficult, as even at a professional level you've got muppets who can barely get by without handholding.

Is there anything in particular you are struggling with when it comes to drawing? Can you give some examples?

[Anonymous No.4482086]

>>4478069
Lol... You have obviously never tried to even do this for 45 minutes of quality effort. It’s not a matter of talent, you’re a lazy slut

[Anonymous No.4483767]

>>4481340
I appreciate the implicit offer of advice, but I actually had a major breakthrough in the time since my last post, and a lot more things now make some degree of sense to me. I'm going to test these ideas out for a bit before seeking any new information.

It's difficult to describe just how unintuitive I've found drawing to be. I have no instincts to fall back on when it comes to drawing, and it took me a long time to find any resources that even attempted to give an overview of the drawing process. As such, I've had no choice but to blindly follow whatever advice I've been given, and I've often taken it to absurd logical extremes.