/vent/ thread

[Anonymous No.4453952]

vent art frustrations

[Anonymous No.4453953]

art hard

[Anonymous No.4453957]

>>4453952
Can't gent rid of western comic style in my drawings.

Lacking self discipline.

Not enough innate talent.

[Anonymous No.4453970]

>try to come up with pose
>fail 30+ times
>no ez reference due to low perspective
what the fuck do i do?

[Anonymous No.4454188]

I drew a nice thing on a friend's board in animal crossing but I forgot to save it and when I redrew it it wasn't as nice

[Anonymous No.4454198]

Short Anwser:
>Loomis

Long Anwser:
People learn in different ways. I was never really one to dive into a book and absorb information from it. Everytime I've tried to open a 'how to draw' book, I've been less and less interested in drawing. Everytime I just start doodling what I want, I end up more interested in drawing and draw more and more. I can tell you which times I've felt like I've become better at drawing and it's the times where I've been drawing more instead of drawing less.

Additionally, I've never seen this advice from artists. It's nearly always unsolicited advice in response to me just posting my art, which makes it feel like their actual reply is something like 'It is mockable how you think your art is good enough to post on anything besides your mother's fridge'. I know that they're probably not thinking that, and I don't want to sound ungrateful to anyone trying to help. But understanding that trying to help and being helpful are different things are important.

When I've asked artists that I like and have gotten a chance to talk to what they feel has improved their art the most, none of them have anwsered 'Learn to draw' books. I've seen replies like mileage, life drawing, working on discipline, going to a class where you draw for 3+ hours a day for four months multiple times, and even copying artbooks or tracing them. With the most common advice being 'just keep up the practice', which I try to do by drawing what I know to be shitty coomer fanart of popular shows, but it keeps me interested in drawing more.

Maybe eating nothing but one whole cabbage a day would be a really effective way to lose weight. I will never be able to tell you.

[Anonymous No.4454274]

god i hope corena chan takes my life do i dont have to deal with being a shitty ngmi artist.

[Anonymous No.4454351]

>god i hope corena chan takes my life do i dont have to deal with being a shitty ngmi artist

[Anonymous No.4454353]

>>4453970
Fail a thousand more times you weak willed loser

[Anonymous No.4454675]

Lately I've been feeling doing a good piece is a matter of luck rather than a matter of skill for me. I've drawn plenty and see no improvement whatsoever, yet once in a blue moon I make something I'm really proud of somehow and it pulls me back into drawing.
I just don't know anymore.

[Anonymous No.4454680]

>>4454351
nice self portrait

[Anonymous No.4454714]

nobody cares about my drawings not even for free

[Anonymous No.4454716]

>>4454714
What drawthread are you from?

[Anonymous No.4454721]

I’m trying to design my own characters, but I feel like I’m constantly having to look at reference or look up how other characters of that archetype are to see how other people do it first.

I know I’m just starting out at character design, but it’s frustrating how it feels like nothing I do is my own. I just wish I could have my own original idea and stop needing to have my hand held.

[Anonymous No.4454730]

>>4453957
copy stuff from artists you like and learn from them. What artstyle do you want? realism? anime? chances are, there is already an artist that draws the way you like and you just have to imitate their tecniques

[Anonymous No.4454731]

>>4454714
>He does it for free
oof.

[Anonymous No.4454732]

>>4453970
grind, suffer, swallow the blood on your mouth and keep going (also, try to change your aproach, the way you do the sketch or using very basic shapes and them polishing until you get what you want)

[Anonymous No.4454748]

>>4454714
I did a request on the /d/ thread and the person liked it. You should give it a go.

[Anonymous No.4454766]

Failed to get any commissions.
Failed to get normal jobs by sending in resumes to shitty positions (even before the quarantine).
I have no pressing need for money, but all eyes are on me to get a job.

All this have taken away my will to draw for the past month.

I hate doing daily habits like eating, sleeping, shitting. They take away my concentration ahead of time, I start to anticipate what I have to do and don't even see the point in continuing what I'm doing (drawing), since it hasn't been bringing me any results.

Oh dog what done.

[Anonymous No.4454778]

>>4453952
it takes so much freaking effort to even make a single image like honestly. Mental effort physical effort emotional effort. i finish one and it's awful, if i get lucky (keyword: lucky) and i finish something that's good, then no one even cares about it. I'm not having fun, and no one likes my art. I still have several more years of this hell. making the tiniest amount of progress from the hardest of lessons. And the worst part? Giving up is for faggots. I can't quit, and it's an uphill battle. I'm eternally NGMI.

[Anonymous No.4454779]

>>4454778
What's wrong with being a faggot?

[Anonymous No.4454782]

>>4454779
*sigh* Nothing is wrong with being a faggot, OP. Faggots are people too... I for one, do not like seven cocks in my mouth and asshole, it's just not my style.

[Anonymous No.4454853]

I don't have a consistent style. And sometimes I make really good pieces I'm proud of and other times it looks like I've regressed 3 years. I'm very very envious of people that have a consistent style and can be recognized without a watermark

[Anonymous No.4454855]

>>4453970
take a video of yourself doing the pose, screenshot it

[Anonymous No.4454860]

One day I want to draw manga. I just have no support system. I'm 19 about to go into sophomore year of business school. Nobody ever encouraged or supported me with art. I'm completely terrible at committing to anything except not failing my classes.
I wish I could concentrate on art but I'm at level 0 and just get frustrated that I can basically do nothing. I've tried Loomis' Fun With A Pencil a couple times but his instructions are like Greek to me, I can't accomplish even 0.001% of what he does in the first chapter.
I've been trying to clean my room for the past couple days. I'm going to be living at home for months due to the pandemic. My parents never ingrained good living space habits into me so I hope this can at least be a start to fighting my motivation issues and self doubt.
I really need to lose weight. I'm 250 pounds. I wish I was a femboy. I have a really soft face even taking my fat into account so hopefully that goes somewhere.

[Anonymous No.4454861]

>want to open commissions for fun
>only have 50 something followers
>have to undercharge majorly in hopes of getting a little bit of traffic
>probably won't get any anyway
Not bad, but I guess slightly depressing

[Anonymous No.4454981]

>>4453952
I'm annoyed that /beg/ is useless 80% of the time and everybody is learning characters/anatomy without good fundies anyway

[Anonymous No.4455091]

>>4454981
fundies aren't fun

[Anonymous No.4455222]

My sister came back from college cause of the pandemic, and is making everyone's lives a living hell. I can't concentrate enough to draw a lot, and it sucks cause I was starting to grow a lot.

[Anonymous No.4455233]

>post quick sketch or random stuff, get a bunch of likes
>post a painting I spent 10+ hours on, nobody cares
Does this happen to anyone else here?

[Anonymous No.4455238]

>>4454860
Ganbatte! Don’t force yourself to go through Loomis if it becomes unmotivating. Have you read any of the symbol drawing books yet/ do you think you need them? If you think it would benefit you, I’d recommend Keys to Drawing. It’s what I started out with and I found the exercises quite fun whereas Fun With a Pencil left me feeling the same way you describe. If you think you’re good on symbol drawing, I’d recommend instead just jumping straight into Vilppu. Reading his Drawing Manual in tandem with watching his Renaissance figure drawing course has helped me actually feel like I’m learning.

[Anonymous No.4455249]

>>4454860
You can do it! I believe in you! You just have to make sure to draw and fall in love with it.

[Anonymous No.4455264]

>>4454860
“One day” Start today. Start right now. Make a social media account, whether its twitter, deviantart, or any other shit you can post art to. Do a weekly comic strip, or 4koma, anything. No one gives a shit if youre a bad artist as long as you can tell a story, I mean look at ONE, his art isnt good, yet he has a huge following. His panelling, shots, and writing are great,mand his art is slowly improving over time. Who says you cant be like him? Over time you will develop an audience. Even if that audience is just one person, it makes it harder to drop something if someone is genuinely looking forward to whatever you do.
Treat this pandemic as a gift and start doing what you want with your life.

[Anonymous No.4455289]

>>4453952
I can't fucking draaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Anonymous No.4455291]

>>4455289
Why do you want to draw?

[Anonymous No.4455292]

Can't get enough feedback

[Anonymous No.4455299]

>>4455291
so I can live off of commissions

[Anonymous No.4455301]

>>4455299
What kind of commissions do you want to take?

[Anonymous No.4455303]

>>4455301
meme art

[Anonymous No.4455305]

>>4455303
Why don't you draw that?

[Anonymous No.4455307]

>>4455305
thank you

[Anonymous No.4455341]

I lost the spark

[Anonymous No.4455343]

>>4455341
well, go and start looking.

[Anonymous No.4455379]

I can't draw poses from imagination at will, I have no control on what the pose will be

[Anonymous No.4455388]

how do you get back into the groove? i'm struggling with getting back into a healthy schedule

inb4 just draw

[Anonymous No.4455393]

I have a friend that keeps confusing met with moma and it agitates me way more than it should, probably because it reminds me of how much of a normie my friends are and thus i am

[Anonymous No.4455399]

>>4453957
being an eastfag. I'm oblivious to the feeling of having this frustration

[Anonymous No.4455427]

Drawing boob is hard for walnut brain.get frustrated, destroy pencil out of angry-nes, now me can’t be angr at bad boob drawing. Even mor angr.

[Anonymous No.4455428]

>>4453952
I love anime to death but hate modern fans and interacting with groups of them. They've seem to take the negative parts of the weeb retardation and go tenfold by only focusing only on the oversaturated little girl market. They don't know fundamentals, they don't know anything except that moeblob is good and anything else is bad. There's nothing wrong with drawing what you want but there seems to be a growing cancer of low effort mouth breathers who just want validation for drawing jigsaw puzzles and calling it a 'cute girl'.

[Anonymous No.4455431]

>>4455428
Can you show me an example of this?

[Anonymous No.4455437]

>>4455431
I don't want to name groups or people, it is a venting thread afterall. I see shit like pic related get fawned over and watch better artists get neglected because there is an increasing group of people pretending they care about drawing but in reality they only care about the subject matter over quality. Which how could you expect them to when all they do is gobble up the lowest common denominator drivel of the genre?

[Anonymous No.4455440]

this stuff is hard as fuck and a lot work my dudes

[Anonymous No.4455442]

I feel fucking invisible everywhere, especially on this board
almost none of my posts have gotten replies in the past week unless it's some meme shitpost, which I have other boards to go to for
I suspect I've even killed few threads just because people click into it and see my boring ass posts, and the whole thread just gets noped straight into the archive
I know I'll just get the "you get no interaction because your shit's bad/uninteresting" spiel and that's why I've avoided following up posts with "any critique/comments?", and why I even clicked on vent, but I just want some interaction without forcing it to happen

[Anonymous No.4455444]

Fucking fuck fuck piece of shit fuck fuck fuck

[Anonymous No.4455447]

>>4455292
People are just inherently less interested in landscapes, sorry.

[Anonymous No.4455454]

>>4453952
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.4455474]

>push self to get some drawing in even though sleepy
>finally get in the zone
>Apple Pencil dies

[Anonymous No.4455533]

SAI glitched and I lost good 3 hours of work

[Anonymous No.4455535]

>>4455442
Post your work and I'll give you advice

[Anonymous No.4455571]

I legitimately hate drawing so fucking much.
I resent everyone who finds this shit "fun".
I want to create the kind of art from anime and video games that I've loved all my life but holy hell the process is miserable.
It just doesn't feel fair. Why couldn't I have been born with the type of brain that likes/is good at drawing?

[Anonymous No.4455625]

>>4453952
>Was watching a "draw with me" livestream today
>15 minute prompts, artist would draw too and then show off what everyone else created via dropbox submissions
>I draw too but don't submit because internet slow
>Think I did pretty well
>Streamer goes through submissions
>They're all god-tier, amazing artists inked and colored a beautiful image in 15 fucking minutes
>Imaginative too, everyone went beyond the scope of the prompt
>Look at mine and feel utter shame
Legitimately killed my motivation for the day, fuck livestreams

[Anonymous No.4455639]

>>4455440
well ur a cat, having opposable thumbs would be of help

[Anonymous No.4455640]

>>4455474
use Wooden Pencil

[Anonymous No.4455645]

>>4455571
Pathetic people like you make me feel better

[Anonymous No.4455653]

>>4455625
Hey, I watched that one too. Had to work, so it was just running in the background.

>They're all god-tier, amazing artists inked and colored a beautiful image in 15 fucking minutes
They weren't all 'god tier'. There were some very competent drawings submitted, but honestly it's just a matter of practice. The better you are the faster you'll be at sketching stuff. Don't feel ashamed. You really should've submitted your stuff, those dudes seem to be really chill and would've probably said something uplifting about your work. Keep drawing, anon. Take your time. 15 minutes is a tight time frame, especially for a beginner. If you want, we can draw together today.

[Anonymous No.4455667]

>>4454274
same tbqh, i only draw as therapy for existing

[Anonymous No.4455668]

>>4454721
Anon don't feel bad, those artists you are looking up to probably did the same. For example, sussie from LWA is inspired by creepy sussie from the ooblongs.

[Anonymous No.4455681]

>>4454860
>femboy
41% never forget that

[Anonymous No.4455700]

>>4455428
I hate weebs too, especially when they think they are better than /co/fags just because their cartoons have big boobs.

[Anonymous No.4455725]

>>4455653
Thanks anon, what you said was actually pretty uplifting!
small world that we both watched the Bam stream lol
I won't stop practicing or learning, but maybe this is a sign to intensify my process a little, still. I appreciate your offer to draw together but it's 1:48 in Kiwi land rn and am dozing off

[Anonymous No.4455732]

>>4455625
Can you post the link or some of the artworks? I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.4455746]

>>4455732
Sorry, most of them are on their private Dropbox. There are a few reposts on their Instagram story though @bam_animation

[Anonymous No.4455751]

>>4453952
>meet a really good artist
>chat it up
>compliment her works
>she finds out my identity and following
>"I don't want to talk about art anymore"
LITERALLY WHY WE WERE DOING SO WELL shes so fucking bitter I was so excited to talk to her now I have to walk on eggshells because shes not the best anymore.

[Anonymous No.4455754]

>>4455645
Why am I pathetic.
If you have some awesome self-help advice for me I'll take it.

[Anonymous No.4455762]

>>4455754 ntayr
You're probably young dude people don't peak until their mid to late twenties (the art in those video games) I just got ark nights and It would be a dream to have the art quality that can qualify for it, but i recognize getting to that point doesnt happen in a day

[Anonymous No.4455773]

>>4455535
This pose took way too long for me to figure out, and the lighting is obviously all over the place

[Anonymous No.4455786]

>>4455762
I'm 28.

[Anonymous No.4455816]

>>4455754
Because you feel resentment instead of exploring why exactly you find the process so miserable. Once you get to a competent enough technical level, everything is swifter anyways. But drawing is only part of the equation, it's far from all of it.

[Anonymous No.4455916]

People have changed so much I can't relate to them anymore. This whole they/them stuff in everyone's signature, sexuality as the #1 focus everywhere, the pseudo japanese aesthetics, the tweeting and memes, the bite-sized format by which you have to distribute yourself... I was mad at first, but I'm just accepting that people have changed and I was left behind. This is the new world now and it's moved on fast. I will never be able to entertain anybody, let alone do something higher than that.
I'm not a genius either, so I can't brute force that barrier with skill. Before I can even gauge the workload I would need to compete, I just think "why do I bother". Nobody would be interested. I'm not a wonderful person, I'm actually sort of shitty and pathetic.
Why am I here? What can I possibly get accomplished here?
God this hurts so much. I would love to point the finger at somebody, anybody and say it's their fault, but it would be just an excuse. This is just nature at work, natural selection.
I'm so fucking sad bros, I know it gets thrown around a lot but I really lot my will to live and for the life of me, I can't find a way out of this rut. It only makes sense to quit art. And by quitting art, also quitting everything else. I honestly don't care about my life anymore.

[Anonymous No.4455920]

i like painting dark fantasy stuff but nobody likes that so i have to paint porn i dont like doing in order to get paid so now i dont feel like painting at all. timeless struggle.

[Anonymous No.4455930]

>>4455920
Don't do it. You will look back and regret it, trust me.

[Anonymous No.4456283]

>>4455916
ok boomer

[Anonymous No.4456297]

>>4455916
The art world you describe just sounds like twitter, to be honest. There are so many more platforms you should find something that's more to your taste than pixiv pin-ups. Maybe try more traditional scenes like book illustration or informal art. Or tell your own story by self-publishing. There are plenty of nichés to explore and it's small minded to just say everyone changed for the worse, when it's probably just you not exploring the world beyond what you already know.

[Anonymous No.4456305]

I wanna make cute wholesome girls with cute dresses, but I'm too self conscious about it.

[Anonymous No.4456317]

>>4456297
This is the field I wanted to do, I wouldn't know where to start in book illustration or informal art (whatever that is). It's the environment that changed. And at the bottom of it all is that I just don't have the skills to make something different or unorthodox. I just failed in every possible way. My style is this semi-realistic shit that I hate and I still struggle with a lot of things.
I wasted several years of my life doing something I have zero talent or aptitude for, without even considering that in the time span I wasted trying to catch up with the people who have an ounce of talent, the public for this thing would change completely. I wasted my life.

[Anonymous No.4456345]

>>4456317
>I wasted my life.
I assume you are 30/under 30 so you have PLENTY of time left to live life the way you want. If you truely feel like those years drawing were wasted, it's not the people's fault. Take responsibility for your actions. I also highly doubt those years were wasted, as it would imply you neither learned anything, nor enjoyed the process, in which case I'd suggest finding another hobby or pursuing another career. While talent is a factor in everything you do, you don't have to be born a wunderkind to enjoy drawing. You seem reasonably intelligent and I bet your art is better than you think.

>My style is this semi-realistic shit that I hate
Then play around with your style and explore new ways of drawing.

>This is the field I wanted to do
Getting mixed feelings here. What exactly did you want to do? The e-celeb twitch streamers and coom commissioner field? Anon, most of those people didn't choose to earn their living predominantly over internet bucks. They uploaded stuff they enjoyed for years and eventually made a market for themselves. If you don't enjoy this oversexualized, pseudo japan style content, don't compete with those people. The questions you should ask yourself are:
>What did you want to do and why?
>Where do your skills and interests lie?
>If you could choose freely, what type of content would you like to create?

[Anonymous No.4456363]

>>4456345
>Getting mixed feelings here. What exactly did you want to do? The e-celeb twitch streamers and coom commissioner field?
What I wanted to do is mostly dead now. It was a bubble that popped because it took me too long to get decent. And yeah now it's all twitter e-celeb and porn, it's not my thing but everything else has shrunk to the minimum and only the really good people can manage. I'm not one of the really good people. I would have liked gamedev too but I feel alienated because the context has changed so much. I don't like it, down to the manner of speech, the formats, the websites, I just can't stand it all. And because I can't stand it and I don't want to understand it or like I can't use it, and I can't make it work. I just post pictures and say this is a picture. Also I'm just not good. I should be really good, I am not. I'm actually kinda shit considering how good people get in a few years. After all this time and effort I can't believe I can't get simple things right. How the fuck am I supposed to take the hard route if I can't be not shit at drawing in the first place?
There is not one thing that goes right. If I had the skills I could have changed field, I don't have the skills. I don't relate to people anymore, the ideas aren't there, all the odds are against me.
I'm also tired as hell, I can't sleep, I have health issues, my eyesight is getting shitty, I have a shit personality so I can't network. There's not one thing that works.

[Anonymous No.4456375]

>>4456363
get glasses, get a job.

[Anonymous No.4456382]

>>4455916
This is very real. People literally only want anime girls and it’s pretty demoralizing.

I wanted to publish a comic but I’m a literal unknown with no social media momentum, and thus nobody would read it. I don’t think I could land an art related job if I tried despite being ok at drawing generally

[Anonymous No.4456383]

>>4456375
Why do I need glasses and a job? I don't give a fuck about anything but this. This is what I wanted to do, I don't want to flip burgers and then come home and jerk off or drink or whatever failures do in their spare time. Drinking isn't bad. I can't kill myself yet so I'll just complain uselessly until then. Drawing at this point is unbearable. I don't even like it anymore, I'm just reminded of all the time I wasted learning almost nothing. There are people 2, 3 years in who only have to worry about what to draw, I'm still struggling with things that should be easy. I hate being a literal fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.4456384]

>>4456382
>unknown
>no momentum
You're shit, that's what

[Anonymous No.4456392]

>>4456383
If your vision is getting shitty, you need to get your eyes checked out and get glasses if necessary. I have glasses.

[Anonymous No.4456394]

>>4456384
Post that work anon. I’ll give you a sample of mine if you do.

[Anonymous No.4456400]

I lost my soul and it kind of hurts to feel a void there

[Anonymous No.4456401]

>>4454353
>spending thousands of hours on something without improvement
I’d rather be weak willed than literally brain dead

[Anonymous No.4456406]

>>4456401
>thinking he knows the future and already declared himself to be not improving if he spends thousands of hours on something
Yes, it would be better for you to be weak willed rather than brain dead like you are right now.

[Anonymous No.4456410]

How do you guys vent your rage irl? I nearly broke my computer smashing a soda can just now. I’ve been fantasysing about creating a cheap art studio filled with generic art objects, so I could smash it to pieces whenever I get frustrated

[Anonymous No.4456411]

>>4456401
That literally the opposite, retard.
At least you will gain some form of knowledge and improving when failing. Being weak willed means you stop as soon you don’t like something. The sooner you stop, the more you’ll stagnate.

[Anonymous No.4456421]

>>4456406
The lack of improvement is inherent in the fact that you didn’t say “try” a thousand times you said “fail”, implying continued failure throughout the period, which granted doesn’t prohibit slight improvement, but still not enough to justify thousands of hours. Maybe if you hadn’t made the end result of the thousands of attempts explicitly failure you would have a point, the only real information I’ve estimated myself was the amount of time each attempt would take, you provided the end result of failure yourself.

[Anonymous No.4456424]

>>4456410
>How do you guys vent your rage irl?
I drink.

[Anonymous No.4456425]

>>4456400
may I have a source anon

[Anonymous No.4456428]

>>4456425
Chainsaw man

[Anonymous No.4456432]

>>4456400
What's the context behind this?

[Anonymous No.4456436]

>>4456432
The devil of darkness is being summoned and the imagery is suppose to be all surreal. It's the latest chapter.

[Anonymous No.4456440]

>>4456394
If you consider that by "you're shit" they mean "you're not in the top 5% of artists worldwide", they're probably right.

[Anonymous No.4456448]

>>4456383
>What I wanted to do is mostly dead now
Cuphead brought rubberhose style animation back from the 30s. Gainax design aesthetics were straight from the 70s. The most popular movie soundtracks are songs from the 80s. Make what you want to make, you don't need to follow trends. Eventually out of date stuff will be in again. Don't follow trends, build your own.

>or whatever failures do in their spare time
You're one of those people who think in terms of successful/failure, huh? All I can say do what makes you happy. If you choose to be miserable, that's on you.

>>4456382
>People literally only want anime girls
That's a very certain subset of people on certain platforms, not the majority.

>’m a literal unknown with no social media momentum, and thus nobody would read it.
If you don't believe your comic would stand on its own without social media fame you shouldn't draw it in first place. Also nothing is holding you back from publishing any content you want.

I'm struggling myself too, but what you guys are doing is avoiding responsibility, blaming your failures on others and being needlessly pessimistic. I am afraid of failing as well and pushing though can be tough. Drawing is very personal and not being able to meet your standards is disheartening. But it's still rewarding and I wouldn't want to miss it and I know if I continue there will be better times, until it dips again. The more you draw, the easier it gets. If you loathe drawing so much or can't get yourself to draw for the sake of it maybe you should just quit. Or at least take a prolonged break to see if it's something you miss.

[Anonymous No.4456455]

>draw a picture
>realize it's exactly the same pose from a year ago

[Anonymous No.4456456]

>>4456410
Ever considered anger management or maybe just exercising?

[Anonymous No.4456461]

>>4456448
I probably worded that unhelpfully. I’m still working on the comic, I’m just uncertain about it’s future. You have a good mindset by the way.

Not all consumers want anime girls, but an increasingly growing and relevant amount of young consumers do. I’m more into retro Japanese sci fi (kaiju, super robots) so it’s harder to get noticed but that’s to be expected.

[Anonymous No.4456472]

>>4456383
You need to simplify things, brass takes. Either:
>Make the sacrifice and chameleon your way into these spheres that seem so alien to you. You fake it, explore concepts and ideas that don't appeal to you but are trendy. Do it so much, you believe you really do like these things.
From what I've seen, quality of work doesn't matter so long as you do something that people will be interested in
Or:
>Accept you will not attain the certain kind of popularity/level of interest you want and channel your desire to create into something else. Keep to true to your authentic self

Which do you want more? Recognition or Authenticity? The only way to truly fail is to give up or waffle for the rest of your life.

[Anonymous No.4456475]

>>4456448
>you don't need to follow trends.
The things you listed all have in common that they were really well made. I'm shit. I can't pull off this going against the grain shit because I don't have the skills, the talent, whatever you wanna call it. I draw and draw and draw and I don't improve. Technically I'm awful and I don't have the intuitive sense of aesthetics to produce good looking shit. My composition is bad, my colors are bad. It's like being a retard trying to do mathematics. You can learn it on paper but you can't crunch the numbers.
>You're one of those people who think in terms of successful/failure, huh?
Yes but my idea of success is just satisfaction and purpose. I don't care about money or prestige or popularity. I have literally wasted my life doing something I'll likely be always shit at, producing artwork that universally sucks even to my own eyes. I hate my drawings, people hate them, what is the fucking point? I'll be unhappy doing anything else, I'll be unhappy if I keep trying because after years of failing miserably and being reminded by every child with a tablet that you're shit is depressing.

>If you don't believe your comic would stand on its own without social media fame you shouldn't draw it in first place.
Not him but you know this is bullshit. Nothing stands on its own without social media presence. This is why 100% of artists draw fanart and have an obsessive social media presence unless they are veterans who got popular before all this shit happened.
I don't want to go in the idea of merit because it's subjective and I think you still get rewarded if you're excellent, but even excellence fails without social media. This is a fact.

How long have you been drawing? I had this yes we can mindset when I started. It changes when 5, 6, 7 years pass and all you've seen is other people zoom by, doing things you don't understand or relate to except for the fact they're technically way better.

[Anonymous No.4456485]

>>4456472
>quality of work doesn't matter so long as you do something that people will be interested in
I have done this in a few ways and I hated it every time. I regret every second I spent trying to force myself into it.
>The only way to truly fail is to give up or waffle for the rest of your life.
The only way to fail is to keep doing something that will never satisfy you. I would be happy just making artwork I like.

[Anonymous No.4456503]

>>4456485
>The only way to fail is to keep doing something that will never satisfy you.
So then giving up on what you truly want (to be authentic) or waffling on what to do with yourself
>I would be happy just making artwork I like.
If that's the way you wanna go then you have to deal with the fact that you won't make money off of it. Create on the side and share your ideas that way, even if only one other person sees or cares.

[Anonymous No.4456521]

>>4456503
I will never make artwork I like because I'm shit, my taste is shit. I can't learn, I'm retarded. I no longer think I can actually get to a point where I'll like my work.
This isn't about choosing to sell out vs. being an artist. I'm way past the point where I hoped to be an artist by trade. I just wanted my work not to be something unintelligible to everybody but me, or at least to be work that I myself would like, that's what I meant when I said that. I am incapable of liking my work. I just hate it, I hate everything that goes into it. I only enjoy they part where I draw and I put my feelings into art but when I'm done it's am ugly mess and I hate it.
I just don't understand what is my purpose supposed to be anymore. I need some sort of guiding light but there is none.

[Anonymous No.4456567]

>>4456461
> I’m still working on the comic, I’m just uncertain about it’s future.You have a good mindset by the way.
That's good to hear. And thank you.

> retro Japanese sci fi (kaiju, super robots) so it’s harder to get noticed but that’s to be expected
Nice! That's awesome. I can totally see this working in your favor by taking the tropes you love and making them more palatable for a modern audience. We saw some kaiju and super robot stuff in the west with the recent Godzilla or Pacific Rim. Kaiju episodes were a staple of a lot of 00s cartoons like MLaaTR, Teen Titans or Samurai Jack, so I think there is a certain awareness of the genre even within the western YA audience. Combining the more goofy and fun aspects of these shows, while staying true to the retro sci-fi aspect could work in your favor. A unique art style or a twist to the genre might also help generate interest. Honestly, I'd love to read a "monster of the week" style comic, as long as it had something else going for it.

>>4456475
>I have literally wasted my life doing something I'll likely be always shit at
You still haven't wasted your life. Most of it is still ahead of you. Unless you're unironically 50+ years, in which case you might want to stop drawing if it makes you so miserable. Although even then there is no use in resenting your past. Don't give up your future for mistakes you might have made. No one makes perfect life choices and whatever part you take you will be fine.
>I'm shit
>I don't have the skills
>I'm awful
If I told myself that I wouldn't want to draw either. Did you always loathe drawing or did you turn bitter after not meeting your expectations?

>I'll be unhappy doing anything else
Have you tried? No, seriously, have you ever tried putting effort in something else? There is so much good stuff out there.

This post reads just like your first one in the sense that you refuse to look beyond what you know. You're imprisining yourself with your beliefs.

[Anonymous No.4456577]

>>4456475
cont.
>How long have you been drawing?
I started drawing regularily as a hobby in late 2014 and began studying in 2016. And yes, the initial years were lighter and more fun. But while the initial curiosity may fade, there is sooo much content out there to learn from or be inspired by. I may be frustrated with art sometimes as well, but I'm never bored.

[Anonymous No.4456592]

>>4456567
>Most of it is still ahead of you.
I don't want 5, 20, 30, 100 more years of this. I don't care how much of my life I have ahead of me. The only reason why I'm staying is that I would cause a lot of damage to people who don't deserve it, so I'll just wait until the situation allows me to off myself.
>Did you always loathe drawing
I love drawing. I hate what I make by drawing. I hate failing at basic tasks after years of trying and trying and trying and studying and figuring out and trying again. It didn't get under my skin at first, now it does. How long would you keep failing at something before giving up? Have you ever tried failing miserably at something for years, every day, hours a day, with no results whatsoever, if anything things getting worse and worse, seeing people achieve easily what you can't figure out?
>No, seriously, have you ever tried putting effort in something else?
Yes, it was torture and I ran away from it every time. This is what I wanted, I wanted it more than anything else and I'm shit at it.
It's not that hard to imagine someone who has the drive but none of the aptitude.
>You're imprisining yourself with your beliefs.
I have tried to compromise many times, this is not true.

It's just not true that if you want something and you work at it you can achieve it. Itś just not true. It's nobody's fault, it's not a rigged game, there is no trick, it's just not true that if you have the burning desire to achieve something and you do your best you will achieve it. And nobody wants to hear how painful it is when this happens, when you are 100% dedicated to something but your efforts are worth nothing.

[Anonymous No.4456601]

>>4453952
I have no discipline.
I knew this was never going to be more than a hobby, but jesus fuck, why do I have to be so bad at everything?

[Anonymous No.4456606]

>>4456592
You need to see the bigger picture. Why does it have to be drawing? Why like drawing? Movement of pencil.

>do your best you will achieve it

well you probably didnt do your best and ignored advice. Did you read any of the books and copy stuff like Loomis etc? Or did you just hope that something will be beamed into your brain from space? It is true that most art skills are SKILLS , something you can acquire.

Whatever, do something else, go flip burgers and use money for entertainment, cant burden your parents forever.

[Anonymous No.4456607]

>>4455916
I hate it too, i stopped talking to all my friends because i couldn't understand their shitty sense of humour and "ironic" personality.
My long time dream was to create a game or comic but just thinking about how i have to make a twitter and interact with normalfags to promote it makes me want to puke. I pretty much gave up in that idea but i still like to draw for myself.

[Anonymous No.4456614]

>>4456592
>I love drawing. I hate what I make by drawing.
>>4456521
>I only enjoy they part where I draw and I put my feelings into art but when I'm done it's am ugly mess and I hate it.
>I just don't understand what is my purpose supposed to be anymore. I need some sort of guiding light but there is none.
Hey, that's actually really good. Seems like you do enjoy and understand the core of art and don't want to give up. Let me tell you something about purpose: The purpose is up to you. If you feel good drawing, draw. It's that simple. Other people do sport, go hiking or play boardgames without having a greater goal. The purpose is enjoying yourself.

You are productive by drawing and you will get better at it, as long as you enjoy the process. Don't share your art if you don't like the result, create for yourself. That's not failing, because in doing so you are finding satisfaction and purpose (your own words)
> my idea of success is just satisfaction and purpose

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>Have you ever tried failing miserably at something for years, every day, hours a day, with no results whatsoever
No. I haven't tried failing. I tried succeeding at something for years, every day, hours a day. Failure was something I had to accept as par of the course.

>It's just not true that if you want something and you work at it you can achieve it. Itś just not true.
Tell me, are you giving up or not? If you do, how would you know that it's impossible to achieve something you set out to do? If you don't, are you not succeeding in your goal of drawing?

>I have tried to compromise many times, this is not true.
You don't have to compromise. By imprisoned by your beliefs I mean you have a strong conviction. An unmovable mindset. To be honest, this could be a great asset. The problem is that your belief system circles around your disability to do anything of worth and that you will ultimately fail at anything.

[Anonymous No.4456624]

>>4456606
>well you probably didnt do your best and ignored advice.
I have studied everything I needed to study, regularly. I know that at this point in the conversation it's just a catalogue of fallacies that imply it was my decision making that made me stay shit at drawing, and if I did it right I would be a master because everyone is a perfectly equal blank slate with the same capabilities and the same chances as everyone else. I know because I told these things to people in my early years, and I believed this. I was the guy telling the whiner that it's all hard work and that maybe he did something wrong, here on /ic/. You can't imagine the irony of seeing myself on the other side of this conversation.
>go flip burgers and use money for entertainment
Or maybe I'll just wait a few years and kill myself. I care nothing about being a productive cog in modern society.
>If you feel good drawing, draw. It's that simple.
Why do you think it ends there, as if drawing were a thoughtless pleasure like masturbation? Yes I like drawing but it's an empty pleasure if I hate what I draw. I don't draw to kill time.
>Tell me, are you giving up or not?
I have given up already, I'm just waiting until I can end this torture.
>The problem is that your belief system circles around your disability to do anything of worth and that you will ultimately fail at anything.
This is not persistent, why do you think so? I don't start studying with this idea in mind. I post this shit when I sit down after a month, 3 months, and I make a reality check. I wouldn't have manage to get this far into this torture without compartmentalizing this shit.

Last post because the captchas are fucking unbearable and I'm too drunk to solve them
Fucking captchas goddamnit

[Anonymous No.4456631]

>>4456607
Ugh I hate how everything is ironic nowadays

[Anonymous No.4456652]

>>4456624
>I have studied everything I needed to study, regularly

On paper? Prove youve done any studies.

>it was my decision making that made me stay shit at drawing

indeed it was, for all your self-loathing, for some reason you cant admit it out of useless pride and blame it on luck and "talent". No, drawing is first and foremost a skill, that you didnt nurture well.

[Anonymous No.4456657]

>>4456607
>>4456631
The worst part is how there's unironic people mixed in too making it even more confusing. I hate how everything is ironic. Just be genuine. If you like anime, say you do. If you like furry, say you do. Why do we have to have a war every single time with your cope?

[Anonymous No.4456660]

>>4456455

[Anonymous No.4456669]

>>4456624
Don't lump me together with the "you didn't try hard enough" anon. I believe that you tried and to an extend, I'm very familiar with your frustration. Even though you won't respond, I'll humor you with a last reply before going to bed as well.

>Yes I like drawing but it's an empty pleasure if I hate what I draw. I don't draw to kill time.
>I care nothing about being a productive cog in modern society.
Since when is doing stuff you enjoy killing time? You said it yourself, you don't just want to go through the motions and be a 'productige cog in society'. Let me tell you something, you don't have to be productive. You don't have to do anything. Your only responsibility in life is to take care of yourself and those important to you. So by any means, if you like drawing, draw. The way you talk about it, it's not thoughtless pleasure, but deep fulfillment. It doesn't appear there is anything more worthwile to you, so how exactly is it killing time? Drinking alcohol is killing time. You only have one life, why waste it being miserable. I hope you'll feel better tomorrow and find peace within you, anon.

[Anonymous No.4456688]

>>4456669
For me art has always been about touching others. It's not about success or fame. I like drawing but I can't treat it like exercise or fun. For me it's sending out a signal somewhere out there. I have waited many years for something to come back, and nothing happened. And I know it's for the most part because the signal I send is not that good, but it's the best I can do.
I want this so much because I've been on the other end of that signal a few times, I know how it feels. It's the greatest thing there is. I can't strip drawing of this final purpose and treat it as if it ended with a few strokes on paper.
I really just wanted to make good work for other people to see. I can't do that. I have tried putting stuff out there and it fell flat. It was nobody's fault, there is no blame. It's just that the signal is what it is, and it meets nothing.
I don't want to live on a desert island. This is all that kept me going since 2010, I've lasted far too long, I think it's fair.

[Anonymous No.4456689]

I posted a legitimate effort in /beg/ and people replied but they didn't tell me what I did wrong or good in the drawing
I just want to know if I have potential or not, if not I'll just find another hobby.

[Anonymous No.4456706]

>>4456689
everyone has potential. Nobody has to say that.

[Anonymous No.4456711]

I'm a beginner artist and say it all that time as I try to learn daily. I typically know my own flaws, but I can't simply iron them out all the time. If I get a comment on social media with someone outright insulting a part of the drawing that I know is rough but wasn't sure how to fix it, what should I do?
I usually acknowledge and ignore them when its clear that they're just trying to rile me up

[Anonymous No.4456714]

>>4456706
No. I'll always be retarded when it comes to maths, I've had hours of personal attention with a private teacher and it did nothing. It's the same for drawing and everything else.

[Anonymous No.4456717]

>>4456714
Only hours? What about a lifetime?

[Anonymous No.4456718]

>>4456717
You don't spend a lifetime on something to go from totally clueless to mediocre at best

[Anonymous No.4456727]

>no motivation to practice but hella motivation to draw within my comfort zone

[Anonymous No.4456739]

I feel like I'm losing it, bros.
I've been drawing almost every day for a year and I still feel like I can't draw anything.
I somehow feel worse than when I started.

[Anonymous No.4456752]

>>4456739
Feeling worse means youre improving. Youre able to recognize your work is shit. Push through the funk and keep going.

[Anonymous No.4456761]

I try to sit and draw but i can't. The ideas i have are too big for my level and i can't do studies because i don't know where to start. I am happy that i started drawing again after years but i don't want to keep drawing once every 2 weeks.

>>4456631
>>4456657
The worst are ironic coomers. My friends used to hate anything not vanilla but now that liking feet is a meme they "ironically" like it, same for traps. I wish they would stop building their personality over what's trendy to try and appear quirky or interesting, they are so annoying.

[Anonymous No.4456764]

>>4456714
its hard to learn anything when you arent motivated or interested, same goes for learning history or language. I studied german for 6 years, i didnt care for it. I dont know German, but my English and Russian is pretty good, cuz i was interested and it was needed.
you're just lazy and give up too fast.

[Anonymous No.4456770]

>>4453952
>obsessed with drawing balls
>started as a joke, not im not laughing

[Anonymous No.4456772]

>>4456764
>you're just lazy and give up too fast.
I never said I liked maths, in fact everytime I put effort into practicing it I had a headache about 15 minutes into it.
About drawing, I don't know if I'm good or not, hence my first post
>>4456770
Sorry but that cracked me up lol

[Anonymous No.4456776]

>>4456770
>balls
make a captain tsubasa fancomic to put those ball studies to good use

[Anonymous No.4456800]

>>4455773

Diff guy, but I like it.
You should add a thing in the foreground that hes about to punch. For fun.

[Anonymous No.4456807]

>>4456772
>I don't know if I'm good or not, hence my first post
how would we be able to tell if you don't pyw

[Anonymous No.4456810]

>>4456807
drawn with mouse

[Anonymous No.4456812]

>>4456772
no you are not good, like most beginners. You will know when you are good, (if you ever become) . But you dont want to do what it takes. Get a different hobby indeed.

[Anonymous No.4456818]

>>4456812
I want to do what it takes and I will... if I have the potential to be good. That is yet to be discovered

[Anonymous No.4456848]

>>4455916

Nothing's changed. Theyre/Xhir/Ver/Queers are expats from Tumblr after it purged all the porn and sold the site off to investors. Tumbltards went to Twitter because they dont have any mods.

Im old enough to remember the web before social media 2.0 and people were competing for clicks back then, too. It just wasnt as fast as it is now.
You could do it the olde way- with an official website and use the newfangled socials to just drop advertisements for stuff you wanted to sell. But its always been hard work.

If you were looking for peers, know that its never been easy to find a tribe of like-minded individuals. You'll have to reverse-engineer your own browsing habits and use that as a springboard to find other people like you.
One good ways to start is by looking at the publishers of the works you liked in the past and in the current gen. Get connected with the groups of artists they have on their roster. Even if theyre older and surpass you in skill, you'll still be on the same wavelength and it will help you feel a lot less alone.

[Anonymous No.4456849]

>>4456810
>>4456818
you have potential. now go and create

[Anonymous No.4456872]

My shitty XP-Pen Deco Pro broke. Don't buy one.

[Anonymous No.4456892]

>>4453952
I'm losing hope in humanity with every single day passing and me looking at what kind of works get the most likes and retweets. The more I hate my own drawing the more exposure it gets.

[Anonymous No.4456894]

>>4456848
I dunno, man. It's not just faster, it's orders of magnitude faster. There is so much noise at this point that it's almost impossible to establish some form of contact. Not an audience or some shit like that, just genuine contact with a person. It's so absurdly hard now when it was so easy. And the problem here is me as well. All the environmental stuff has changed to something more difficult to navigate, but I'm a mess of a person. I have never developed good communication skills and those I had have degraded over time, I have extreme anxiety, mood swings, I'm generally a bad person to be around. This is not just a behavioral issue I refuse to compromise about, my whole persona is a disaster to be around. I have tried to fix all of the above to the end of art and what I want to achieve with it. It never went well. Everywhere I look there are more problems than I can fix. I don't want another psychiatrist, they don't want you to be happy, they just want you to become a cog. I don't want to drop art to be a cog.
You know, if things were complete shit 360 degrees, I would be OK with dropping it. I wouldn't have a heavy heart about it. But I search so hard for things and I find them, every now and then. There are other people doing things I like. I reminding me that they can be done and you can still shoot the signal. So I try and try again, year after year. I lose hope, I spend a few days like this but then I try again. And every time I fail I sink a bit lower and I end up a bit more angry, scared and confused.

[Anonymous No.4456900]

>post work
>no one wants to critque
Every time

[Anonymous No.4456923]

>>4455292
for starters, take a better photo if you want people to give you feedback. As far as I can tell, it just looks very muddy

[Anonymous No.4456988]

Sometimes it's hard to tell if "it's not here today" versus, "I'm lazy today, so the excuse is, 'it's not here today'." I know we all have our productive and off days, but am I ACTUALLY not able to draw today, or is it an excuse? Like, I want to draw right now, and I did for a little bit, but the quality is far worse than what I can actually do, and I'm unable to focus. Is it really just not a good time? Wondering what you guys think / what your experience with this feeling is.

[Anonymous No.4457038]

>>4456900
I-I can give you a critique right now. Post your work.

[Anonymous No.4457043]

>>4456988
I'll tell you this, if all you do is think about it, you might find an answer, but it'll take a week or two. Speaking from experience. I still think the best answer is just to draw because it's a huge waste of my time to keep thinking about it.

[Anonymous No.4457053]

>>4457038
C-Cute

[Anonymous No.4457064]

>>4457043
yeah, you're right. It just sucks to push through while I feel like this. Doing it right now

[Anonymous No.4457143]

I decided that when I became a NEET I'd take up some hobbies. Drawing is by far the most time consuming, least enjoyable, and slowest progressing hobby I picked up. I almost regret doing it.
Of course, I know that these things take time and I don't expect to be anywhere near proficient at this stage, but it's very discouraging when every other hobby has progressed well but I'm yet to produce a single image that doesn't look like it was drawn by a handicapped child.

[Anonymous No.4457162]

>>4456988
get those off days too where I know the quality of what I do is objectively worse than usual (not that everything you create has to be perfect, but legitimately nothing is clicking). usually days like that happen when I've got something on my mind that, while subconscious, is pressing me to attend to it and only once I have, I find myself back in the zone.

[Anonymous No.4457168]

>>4457143
I’m shit and NEET right now too but I find it far more enjoyable than when I was playing video games all day and hating myself. At least now I can waste hours drawing without feeling like I’m wasting my life, hopeful for something to come out of it. What sort of stuff do you draw and what things are you trying to learn right now?

[Anonymous No.4457184]

>>4457168
At the moment I'm just trying to draw heads, and that all I've ever done since I started really focusing on drawing. If I copy an image by eye it's not so bad, but anything other than a copy looks like complete garbage.

[Anonymous No.4457189]

I think it's long past due I admit I have some kind of diagnosed ADD problem or other mental deficiency, because I cannot otherwise explain why I'm such a shithead at finishing my art pieces or projects. I've made 1 drawing I would call finished this year, it's that bad.
I seriously do not know why I can't see a project through until it is done, I nearly began going over animation basics today just to distract myself from finishing a painting practice piece... that I started to distract myself from a comic project. I don't know how I reached procrasinating procrastination whims but I am here. Feels like everytime I fall asleep everything I was determined to do the night before escapes my brain and I have to spend all day finding the focus to finish what I had already started. I'm sitting on pieces that are anywhere from 30-95% done and I just don't want to go in and nail the final details/touchups. Idk, I don't want to keep saying this is just a lack of motivation/focus/discipline, maybe it isn't and I'm a brainlet stuck in lazy mode. Just wish I knew how to turn on my "work mode" switch and sit still and draw for solid 5-7 hours straight, instead of like, hoping I get momentum going and it turns on.

[Anonymous No.4457194]

>>4457189
Literally me. I think I ate lead paint chips as a kid or something. I cannot focus on something for more than 20 minutes.

[Anonymous No.4457195]

>>4457194
Then how is it possible for you to browse here all day?

[Anonymous No.4457197]

gesture drawing still doesnt make any sense to me, when the use terms like "loose" or say shit like "draw what you feel" ffs

[Anonymous No.4457198]

>>4457195
/ic/

[Anonymous No.4457200]

>>4457195
/thread

[Anonymous No.4457205]

>>4457195
I'm here every 10-20 minutes retard

[Anonymous No.4457211]

>>4457195
op, I actually don't spend all day on /ic/ anymore. I stopped frequenting after getting bored of all the repetitive threads and crabs crabbing, visit maybe once a month or so to collect from the artbook thread.

[Anonymous No.4457213]

>>4457197
Have you read the first part of Huston's book? He tells you to draw the characteristic long axis curve for gesture and its a lot better than the abstract explanations by Vilppu and Hampton.

[Anonymous No.4457220]

>>4457213
no im learning from meme youtubers desu

[Anonymous No.4457234]

>>4457197
it's in the name anon
draw
a gesture
gesture drawing
a vague shape that represents your subject
they say "flow" because often it's best to mimic a person in motion
gesture drawing means jack shit when you can't pull off proportions with scribbles

[Anonymous No.4457277]

>>4457197
The best way to look at it is to describe the direction of the figure's movement. Even a figure that is still is applying pressure on the ground, and you can see a direction in which the figure extends. If someone's arching his back you can follow that line. If someone's pushing out his arms you can follow that line. This is because you ideally want to convey motion in something that is still. Look up figura serpentinata.
I don't know how else to describe it but it's the best way I can think of.

[Anonymous No.4457290]

>>4456900
that means you're probably too good to get loomised, but not good enough to get useless complaints about stylistic choices.

also
>implying any critique here is worth getting

[Anonymous No.4457403]

Goddammit I'm so tempted to leave the reference lines on my stuff sometimes. It just looks better like that.

[Anonymous No.4457457]

Wake up and I’m still not Sui Ishida
What’s the point

[Anonymous No.4457787]

I wish I could retroactively erase all the stupid shit I've ever drawn and posted online. I can't live with the embarrassment of those crappy drawings. I'll never post anything ever again, I hate the idea that the crap I make will stay online to embarrass me forever. I should do something that doesn't expose how much of a shitty ugly person I am inside, like programming.
I hate myself so much, I actually want to murder what I see in the mirror. I can't make a valuable thing to save my life. I could say I have changed for the better, but no matter how much I discard there's always more shit underneath.

[Anonymous No.4457792]

>>4457787
That's why I never attach myself to a name anymore and jump from one identity to the next. Can't be embarrassed if I can just pretend it all never happened.

[Anonymous No.4457800]

This board is so fucking shit, hiro should just delete it

[Anonymous No.4457808]

>>4457800
You're here posting in it so it can't be that bad

[Anonymous No.4457853]

>go through Keys to Drawing and get a bit through Drawabox, hated the latter
>tried both digital and traditional
>eventually give up, haven't drawn properly in about half a year but try every so often, never goes anywhere
>cannot draw from imagination, know I'm not expected to but all I want is to draw what's in my head
>even using references isn't good enough, I need to draw exactly what's in front of me
>even tried Dreams (PS4) to try and mash models together and draw them, but it's shit

and now here I am ordering clay so I can try to draw the clay models, which is wildly inefficient and no doubt stupid
what do I do? it feels so fucking hopeless

[Anonymous No.4457854]

>>4456800
Good idea, that'll be fun to try
The original intent was POV of the thing he was punching, but I'm not too sure how to make that interesting compositionally

[Anonymous No.4457858]

I'm so concerned with coming across as a competent, respectable artist that I constantly end up shaming myself into avoiding things I'd otherwise enjoy making. I feel like I'd enjoy making art a lot more if I could embrace my inner autist and just do what I truly want regardless of how cringey it is, but my fear of rejection and need for external validation will always be in the way

[Anonymous No.4457872]

>>4457853
The more you practice drawing from imagination the better you will get.
A lot of imagination drawing is just that you draw from reference so many fucking times that you start to remember certain shapes of things, where shadows tend to fall, and as long as you're not a complete smoothbrain you can start rotating those basic building blocks and combining them and get some pretty cool results.
So just start doodling from imagination, it probably won't be as bad as you think it will. Feel, don't think. You wanna put the guy's head there? Ok that's where it goes then. An elbow over here? Sure why not. Fill in the elements of the picture where you're most sure of what their positions should be, then start to fill in the gaps between them, and something will take shape.

[Anonymous No.4458039]

>>4457792
I do that too but I hate that it's there. I hate the internet in general, every stupid or crappy thing you do or say is there forever. I hate leaving these shit smears around just by existing and being retarded. I can't have any respect for the things I do.

[Anonymous No.4458183]

>talking to female artist
>my boyfriend my boyfriend my boyfriend
Shut the FUCK up

[Anonymous No.4458343]

>>4458183
Most girls are boring so the only thing that's interesting happening in their life is their boyfriend or their pet.

[Anonymous No.4458377]

Why the fuck were my posts removed? Fucking retarded jannies.

[Anonymous No.4458425]

>>4458377
Are you talking about this one? >>4456894

[Anonymous No.4458429]

>>4458377
Yeah just checked warosu, most answers and long posts itt were deleted, what the fuck jannies

[Anonymous No.4458557]

How do you give up? By now I realize I have neither talent nor drive to keep grinding so I will 100% not make it, and yet I still feel guilty when I do something other than drawing, and it sucks all the enjoyment out of my life(what little there is).

[Anonymous No.4458701]

>>4457189
I feel the same. Almost 30 and have next to no finished pieces but a lot of sketchbooks filled with incoherent drawings. I have ideas but can't finish anything even if I really try to, only time I could finish stuff was back in hs because we were forced to finish our ideas for a grade. On my own all I do is sketch concept after concept after concept. Even for normal every day tasks I can't focus on one task and finish it, my partner has even addressed it when noticing me cleaning by bouncing between one room to the other. Weed helped, kind of, but now I can't really fkingblazeitd00d all day due to being an aging adult with responsibilities.

>>4457195
I only browse here for a few mins at a time every 2-3 days, interesting threads don't get real discussion

[Anonymous No.4458724]

>>4458429
It has to be because I said something about pronoun snowflakes or the captchas. The janny removed my entire post chronology for this session including a post on another thread that was unrelated. But loli stays on for like a week even though it's against the rules. Amazing maturity and professionalism, if you volunteer to do this job for free at least do it well.

[Anonymous No.4458749]

>>4453952
FUCK DRAWING CARS
I love cars, and love drawing them, but fuck, especially modern cars have all of these little curves and very specific proportions that if they're even a little off, the entire thing is off

Even professionals who aren't industrial designers have trouble drawing cars from what I've seen

[Anonymous No.4458817]

Everything I draw sucks and everytime I draw I get more and more discouraged.

[Anonymous No.4458859]

>>4458817
I know that feeling bro

[Anonymous No.4459169]

>all these people stuck at home due to coronavirus allowing them to increase their drawing gains
>I'm stuck working overtime and don't even have time to draw some nights, and when I do I usually end up staring at the canvas for an hour, draw a few lines then pass out
Before this shit started I was feeling good about how I was improving, now I feel like I'm regressing.

[Anonymous No.4459200]

I want to start drawing again but I'm afraid that I'm too weak-willed to grind through it.

[Anonymous No.4459296]

My previous job fucked up my dominant hand so much that some days I can't even hold a pencil. I had Quervain's tendinitis and even though I made physical therapy it still fucking hurts a lot. I try to draw every day but it really hurts bros

[Anonymous No.4459458]

Today I spent 2 hours trying to pick a brush so I could draw but I still couldn't decide on one.

[Anonymous No.4459744]

>>4455773
The structures not bad, I think the colors, lighting and rendering brings this whole thing down, & if this was repainted by a professional it would look pretty decent.

[Anon͠y̵̕mous҉ No.4459979]

>>4459458
pick the round brush

[À̡non͜ym͝o̴͟ùs҉̀͘ No.4460606]

>Spend years practicing inking
>Kinda good, more to improve on but it's not shit either
>Finally decide; new decade new skill
>Be slightly colorblind and passing off coloring for years so why not learn that?
>Attempt a few times, all with references
>Each one looks fucking horrendous
>Feel like i'm back at stage 1
I'm pissed I never took coloring seriously, had I started years ago I would've been a proud artist but now I feel like complete shit
*cof

[Anonymous No.4460675]

>>(social distance of 1.5 meters)4460606

If you werent a brainlet, you would've practiced value heavily even while working with ink, then it would've been a short hop to color theory and going on from there.

Dumb coofposter

[Ąn̵̵òn͡ym̶̢̨͡ơus No.4460698]

>>4460675
Values aren't really the problem, for me it's mainly color theory and texturing. Take this pic, for example, the hair + eyes + lips + nose bridge each have subtleties that's only possible with paint. That's what i'm struggling really badly with

[Anonymous No.4460742]

>>4457853
same Anon here, bored so I shat this out

>tfw spend more time thinking about art and looking at other people's art than I do producing it

[A̵nony̕mo͝u͠s͟͠ No.4460955]

Twitter is still not going anywhere eventhough I cranked up the output of art to the max. I'm thinking about deleting all my social media, this time for real.

[Anonymous No.4461017]

>>4460742
That's really fucking nice. Can you name them?

[Anonymous No.4461060]

>>4461017
sick of it saying my post is spam so have the image of the post instead, sorry lad
now you tell me how to draw like them

[An̕o͟n̴͘y̨m̡ou̴̕͞s̕ No.4461086]

PHOTOSHOP CRASHING WHEN I SAVE AFTER ONE HOUR AND A HALF WITHOUT SAVING PIECE OF SHIT FUCKING RAM EATER

[Anonymous No.4461128]

>Be NEET for years
>Tell myself I'm training to be an artist
>Intermittently study intensely
>Long time gaps where I don't draw at all
>Bite the bullet and get a full time job
>No time or energy to draw now
>Hate job
>Tell myself that if I ever get time off I will dedicate myself to my studies
>Determined to get an art job
>COVID happens
>Out of work, with pay
>All the freedom I could ask for to get gud
>Don't study at all

Why am I a self-sabotaging cunt?

[An̵o̷ńym͏͜͏̨o̸ùs͘ No.4461179]

>>4454860
Lose that weight, run or hit the gym, watch what you eat
Draw every day
Don't become a tr*nny

[Anony̛m̢̢où̢͠s̵͘͢͏ No.4461186]

>>4461128
Don't do studies, start a piece you intend to finish NOW!
Finish something you WANT to do, and only after that, start studying whatever areas you feel you're lacking in

[Anonymous No.4461258]

>>4453952
>gonna move to digital now since I can't get more sketchbooks irl due to corona, and fuck it I was gonna do it anyway
>find a decent tablet (one of the screenless wacom one tablets for reference), medium size, on sale for less than $100
>just need to wait till today for money
>go to buy.... they're sold out

so lads, what's a decent /beg/ poorfag tablet?

[Anơ͜ǹ̴̀y̴mo̷͢͞us͘ No.4461293]

>>4461186
don't do studies but do studies but do that instead but not like this blah blah blah...
there is no miracle solution

find a NON ANONYMOUS community
DRAW everyday and POST your work
ACCEPT the critique
and you will improve

[Anonymous No.4461310]

>>4453952
Coronavirus quarantine is the perfect time to be alone with your demons

[Anonymous No.4461332]

>>4461258
Can't you just order one online?

[A͞nonym̀ou̴s̶ No.4461352]

I try to look on the bright side of working. I still have a job. I'm getting hazard pay. I'm taking all the overtime. I might actually come out of the pandemic debt free while everyone will be going into debt.
But I'm so jelly of everyone staying at home. I wanna be home drawing but everyone is at home so I won't get peace and quiet. My work is dead as fuck so I can probably draw on the job but it's not that same as drawing at home.

[Anonymous No.4461373]

>>4460993
Got fed up with the runnyness of acrylic. Oil is the second highest form of painting after fresco and you should only fear not doing it and fading into oblivion.

[Anonymous No.4461374]

>>4461258
well, not a fucking wacom, the apple of drawing tablets. I use a 50 buck wireless huion, but there's a lot of other brands with decent tablets nowadays.

[Anonymous No.4461391]

How do I find art friends to improve alongside with and give/receive critique from?

[Anonymous No.4461540]

>>4461391
Did you try discord?

[Anonymous No.4461544]

>>4461540
What discord?

[Anơnỳ̡̛mớ̴u̢ş̸ No.4461753]

>>4461391
You make art friends the same way you make regular friends

[Anonymous No.4461758]

>4461753
Training artists are much smaller group of people. Probably even smaller than you think considering what I draw. Unlike normal friends I feek like I would have to actively seek these guys out.

[Anonymous No.4461765]

>>4461758
>considering what I draw.
What do you draw?

[An̴͟͏on̡͢y̛҉m͠҉o͘us No.4461783]

>>4461758
Ah, I see what you mean now. I thought you meant art friends as in "friends who are also artists". Try to join an art discord server. Some of the /ic/ ones are pretty good.

[Anonymous No.4461838]

Having less than 2 screens to work with digital drawing is so fucking gay where the FUCK did my displayport cable disappear to AAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.4462157]

Broke 3 pencils because i got frustrated because i cant figure out how to construct the pelvis

[Anonymous No.4462284]

I struggle to finish fully colored stuff in 3 days and there's this other dude that posts fully colored art three times a day and it's all better than mine.
Seeing him post feels a kick in the nuts. I can't even feel proud of my progress anymore.

[Anonymous No.4462334]

>>4462284
Stop comparing yourself if it makes you feel like shit. Eventually you will reach his level or surpass him. Always be proud of your progress because the alternative is regression or just giving up. Keep going anon.

[A͜͟n̛o̕nym͝o̶͞u̷̢s̶ No.4462352]

>>4455751
What?

[Anonymous No.4462374]

>>4455751
Oh shit, reminded me a lot of a friend of mine.
>likes drawing, but is /beg/
>for some reason is really proud of his stuff and shows everyone
>one day he asks me if I liked drawing (I never tell people irl about it)
>show him a commission I was working on
>"oh that's cool"
>never brings up art again when I'm around

[Anonymous No.4462445]

>>4455751
Oh I had something similar
>meet a guy in a hospital who was walking around asking for a pen because "gotta sketch right now haha"
>chat with him he tells me that he has $2k patreon n shiet
>refuses to show me his drawings
>later when I got out of hospital I found his profile
>under /beg/ drawings for 5+ years and 90% less followers than he told me
>call him out
>he blocks me everywhere

[Anonymous No.4462477]

>>4462445
I wanna see

[Anonymous No.4462485]

>finish art and try to post it to my blog to archive it instead of just deleting it all like I usually do
>it takes me hours to work up the nerve to actually hit the post button
I hate the thought of people looking at my art because I know I can do so much better. Fuck this shit

[Anonymous No.4462526]

>>4453952
I hate how the enlightenment changed our thinking of ethereal concepts.
Slowly but surely everything we held dear loses meaning to us.
Any belief not empirically provable holds no weight.
Art is run like a factory where the only importance is wanking the audience's reductionist expectations.
People strive to become rich and famous, but none share their real experiences.
Ironically the one thing that could set them apart.
Somewhere about ten years ago art started following more and more formulaic intentions resulting in a blank void.
The illusion of life became the business of life.
When reality is the basis of thinking, why is nothing real anymore?

[Anonymous No.4463174]

>spend months finding a style I'm comfortable with
>decide to start using a different brush because the lines look better and it feels nicer when drawing
>it makes my style look worse

[Anonymous No.4463317]

My friend recently said that my art gives off a sort of disgusting vibe, and I agreed. I think he meant that it's soulless, that it has no appeal other than being correct. I've only studied so far and I rarely "just draw" out of fear that it'll hinder my long term progress by building up bad habits and the negative effects are starting to show. I'm less afraid now since it's obvious at this point that my stuff looks very distinct from anime artists that use shortcuts all the time, and also I've got some of the fundamentals down, so it's time to let go and just doodle. This is just another obstacle I have to overcome, and I've overcome others before. My art keeps getting better, and I'm GMI. K know /ic/ isn't the place to say this, but wish me luck.

[Anonymous No.4463326]

>>4463317
>My friend recently said that my art gives off a sort of disgusting vibe
Would you mind posting a snippet of your work? I don't think you can call someone's work "disgusting" unless it's a "/beg/ artist that went of the deep end" style or looks like >>4451069 this.

[Anonymous No.4463334]

>>4456394
Fix that attitude faggot.

[Anonymous No.4463408]

>>4463326
He did mention it being more uncanny-like disgusting than, well, utter trash. The feeling's subtle but it's there.

Mind you, this one is done purely by copying and I messed up the proportions by a lot. But even then, the rendering feels a bit off.

[Anonymous No.4463410]

>>4463326
Here's another one, but just lineart.

[Anonymous No.4463534]

3d artist here but i used to be /ic/

FUCK LICENCES

FUCK RENDERING

AND FUCK JANNIES

[Anonymous No.4463538]

>>4463410
He's right but I'd like to see more

[Anonymous No.4463557]

>>4463408
The uncanny feeling comes from how the perspective, proportions, and placements of the features are skewed. They're not so wrong that it's glaring obvious it's wrong, but they're not accurate enough to look pleasing.

[Anonymous No.4463590]

>>4463557
yeah, I guess that's what he was getting at.

>>4463538
here you go, good sir.

[Anonymous No.4463594]

>>4463538
more

[Anonymous No.4463655]

>>4462526
>When reality is the basis of thinking, why is nothing real anymore?
Modularity and blackboxxing are tools for thought necessary for getting anywhere. Commoditization too leads to great advantages in productivity. But when the world is tiled with mass manufactured interchangable objects it takes on an ethereal data like quality.

[Anonymous No.4463661]

this stupid website has completely fucked up the way I draw now. I feel like I’m not allowed to use reference and can only draw from my imagination. turns out I really suck at that. now I get bored by drawing from reference and feel as though it defeats the purpose of drawing in the first place. I try to draw without reference and it sucks. I can’t come up with anything I actually want to draw and stick with it. I just do sketches that sometimes look okay but I feel pretty lost artistically. it’s hard to find meaning, or draw anything that I feel has enough meaning to justify existing. I know I don’t have to stick to these stupid rules and constraints I put on myself but I also don’t want to feel like I’m cheating. I’m being furloughed from my job with pay soon so I’ll have plenty of time to actually focus on drawing so hopefully I can fix my attitude about all this stuff and not worry about what anyone else thinks

[Anonymous No.4463670]

>>4463594
>>4463410
It's just anachronistic, it looks like something made in the 70s. Now everything that isn't anime girls is bad art so your friend's comment is probably just a reflection of that.
I like the pic with the candle. The one with lineart didn't come out well because - I think - you ended up piecing the figure together as you went instead of looking at it as a whole from the beginning, so you ended up with that awkward head and perspective. Keep drawing the way you do but put some more thought and preparation into it, look up reference if you don't, try to make several sketches before committing.

[Anonymous No.4463680]

>>4463661
just leave. put /ic/ in your firewall block list.
you have to make drawing a habit. disconnect your internet connection and sit down every day with your sketchbook/tablet and do peter han exercises. commit to at least 30 minutes. work your way up from there until you're drawing again.

[Anonymous No.4463682]

>>4463410
I do certainly feel that you're going for detail at the expense of aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.4463685]

>>4463670
thanks! do you know any elements that makes it look somewhat old, though? because that surely wasn't intentional and I'd like to control the vibes my stuff give off.

>>4463682
I'm still at the studying phase, so I still don't have an aesthetic to go for. I did have an aesthetic, but considering it was cartoony and was hard to apply to a more realistic drawing, I decided to drop that for a while and develop something new instead.

[Anonymous No.4463706]

>>4454748
not him but what is a /d/ thread? when i want to shill for followers i usually head to a request thread on /tg/ or /a/

[Anonymous No.4463710]

>>4463706
The board /d/

[Anonymous No.4463772]

>>4463685
looks like old disney. I think because of the evenness of the line weight and because of how you generalize features into lines especially in the face and hands.
There could be other things I'm not sure.
Remember that lines are not on the thing you draw and are just for suggesting what is there. There are many different ways of making suggestions, some emphasize different things. One example is that in animoo lines are used very sparingly, I think a lot of this is the relation between lines and wrinkles and age. Sure even young children have many lines around their eyes, but those lines when rendered with lineart will be over emphasized making them appear older.

[Anonymous No.4463778]

>>4463772
Oh, also the neck looks gross on flower pic.

[Anonymous No.4464099]

i can't fucking stand how stiff and unappealing all my art looks. i don't know what the fuck it is but it all looks so horribly lifeless and sterile compared to every single other piece of art i look at

[Anonymous No.4464243]

i hate that people cant tell when others are tracing
I hate that mediocre art goes viral and these people can forge careers out of it
I hate that my mediocre at wont go viral even though i draw everyday for hours for the past 10 years
I hate social media
I hate that most commission work wants nsfw content

[Anonymous No.4464350]

>always subconsciously draw the same pose
>practice a bunch of new poses and different situations
>sit down to draw something
>its the same pose as my other drawings
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Post cool looking 80s animatio(...) No.4464368]

>>4464350
Do you do gestures often?
If you start with construction or even basic details, you'll likely fall in a pattern.

[Anonymous No.4464376]

>>4464350
dont just copy poses, draw from ref then try drawing same thing without looking at ref, study + recall is the basis of gaining skill and knowledge

[Anonymous No.4464385]

>>4464376
>>4464368
copying and gestures is one thing.
If its something I have a plan on what to draw, I'll usually pick up refs for that.

but if its just something random like
>hey its vidya girl's birthday and i kinda like her. I'll draw her today
it usually just ends up in one of my default poses, even if i try different thumbnails.

[Anonymous No.4464485]

>>4463410
other anons have made good critiques but I think it’s cute and belongs in the butterfly thread >>>4462565

[Anonymous No.4464496]

>>4453952
i got accepted to art school and just had my estimated finaid mailed to me!!!!! i don’t understand anything!! and idk if my hs counselor would even video call me. i am so lost and confused. fuck corona. FUCK HOW WILL GRADUATION WORKKKKKKKKKKK

[Anonymous No.4464529]

>Come across an art Instagram account featuring a style I really like
>Looks amazing, exactly the kind of style I want to have
>Find out she's a qt rich asian girl
>Find out she's 21 years old and has had the same style since 2015
>Find out, at 16, she was still leagues better than I am, now
Fuck, imagine being born with max stats. Should I invest in a Cintiq or a gun to kms?

[Anonymous No.4464536]

>trying to break free from symbol drawing
>just coming up with more elaborate symbols
AAAAAA

[Anonymous No.4464591]

I dont want to spend days trying to practice furry art to get commissioned and sell my soul for degenerate money

[Anonymous No.4464954]

>>4463410
S-Sir??

[Anonymous No.4465368]

>channel starts of as a comic artist just showing his process
>pencils, inking, timelapses, 50-100k views
>time goes on and he's doing more meme challenges: (Noob/pro, Do/don't, 1/10/60min drawing) 500k+ views.
>Now he's a full-on youtube whore
>Thumbnails is just him applying glitter paint onto [PRODUCT] making a silly face
>views: ~10mil/vid
Looking at you, ZHC.
You fucking slut.

[Anonymous No.4465385]

>>4463410
I am the guy who asked to see for your work and I can kinda get why your friend dislike it, however I think he went too far by calling it "disgusting", uncanny yes, but it's not a very significant issue if you keep working on your perspective, keep going anon, I can see that you are definitely going to make it.

[Anonymous No.4465393]

>>4465368
lmao all of that shit is literally the same bunch of shit I told to some other anon who's struggling to get his channel off the ground like 1-2 months ago.

>You fucking slut
Blame the algorithm and zoomer viewing/clicking habit, if you want to create a high traffic channel you are going to prostitute yourself harder than artists who does porn commissions.

[Anonymous No.4465404]

>>4464591
You don't have to. It's a lie perpetuated by delusional d/ic/kheads that furry art is a viable option for making money. Furry art is a terrible road to go down, financially or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.4465407]

ic used to have stigma for being full of hardasses that would rip your drawings apart.
i think that is no longer true. its full of shit bait threads and nothing more.

[Anonymous No.4465438]

>>4465407
By "hardasses" do you mean the kind of person who will actually give you useful critique while also telling you you're shit, or do you mean the type of person who just says "it's shit" or "Loomis" or "anatomy" and leaves it at that? Because we still have plenty of the latter type. But "it's shit" and "Loomis" or "anatomy" aren't actually useful critiques, anyone can just throw out those types of comments.

[Anonymous No.4465554]

>be me
>makes art for artist i like i tag them properly etc
>i didnt really expect much but i got completely ignored obv even though art wasnt bad at all.. much better than other fanarts which just copied without brain.
>i tried dming the artist but i didnt get a single like..

I just wanted to connect with artist i liked but i got shat on literally, fucking bitch, i put genuine effort into that but i got ignored

[Anonymous No.4465747]

>>4464591
in my experience furries are for the most part loyal customers and polite. That being said, you limit yourself severely, but there's no reason why you cant make a throwaway account and do some art in furry sites for quick money investing as little time as possible. I drew on FA for years, only humans and got lots of commissions from there until it was time to move on to better projects. The sad truth is, if you can draw titties well enough nobody cares how good your art is and will give you money.

[Anonymous No.4465778]

FUCK WATERCOLOR
I CAN'T AFFORD TO SPENT 5$ ON A SINGLE SHEET OF PAPER

ANYTHING LESS THAN 100% COTTON CAN'T HANDLE REAL WET TECHNIQUES
fucking garbage ass medium

[Anonymous No.4465820]

>>4465778
Just use digital bro wtf u doin lol

[Anonymous No.4465848]

>>4465820
it's complicated
I would if I could, in a heartbeat

[Anonymous No.4465851]

>>4465554
>but i got completely ignored obv even though art wasnt bad at all

Please post your work, this line of thinking is a big red flag.

[Anonymous No.4466132]

>>4465851
if u want to suck my cock just say that.

[Anonymous No.4466138]

>>4466132
Yep, the art you made is most likely shit and saying that you’re better than other fanartist was you just coping, entitled faggot.

[Anonymous No.4466141]

>>4466132
You clearly wanted to suck that artists dick and got fucking ignored LOL

[Anonymous No.4466166]

>>4466138
>>4466141
my fanart is great and there is no artist better than me you imbeciles suck it well

[Anonymous No.4466190]

>>4465778
You can do fine with cheaper paper, you just have to find one that suits you. With acrylics, tempers and guache I paint on cheapest paper though.

[Anonymous No.4466194]

>>4464529
Invest in a positive attitude and will to work hard, good luck anon

[Anonymous No.4466197]

>>4464099
Draw tons of sketches of people from life, go to nude drawing sketch sessions and do various time sketches from 30 sec up to 15 minutes. It'll suck really hard at first but with time you'll get it

[Anonymous No.4466205]

>>4464529
Still the same style since 2016 - so basically 5 yrs without improvement and you beat yourself up cause she couldnt find a way to improve her skills?
Anime is easy to draw - the hard Part is only to Design something appealing.
You could teach or top her Level if you would live instead of wanting to kill yourself

[Anonymous No.4466229]

>>4466190
which one will let me use printer paper

[Anonymous No.4466235]

I want to tell my bff I love him but hell know I’m gay.

[Anonymous No.4466282]

why do I still visit this retarded fucking website, I wish I was dead
Alas I'm too young and healthy for corona-chan to get me, I hope my heart just stops

[Anonymous No.4466565]

>>4453952
Have you ever regretted drawing for a specific fandom 3 years ago

[Anonymous No.4466625]

I fear the degenerative process happening to me that I saw in a former friend's art who came out as a tranny and had a mental breakdown threatening murder on our entire friend group/threatening to dox us and accusing us collectively of almost driving him to suicide (We stopped talking to him after he threatened us with murder/doxxing)

I don't know why or when shit like that happens to a person but I fear going off the deep end because it just seemed so totally fucking random, the guy used to be chill and edgy and was actually really cool to talk to but then he just started drawing cutesy girl shit and his artstyle regressed to a point where he couldn't draw hands and all his shit was just so lopsided

[Anonymous No.4466630]

>>4466625
Embrace it and come out stronger.

[Anonymous No.4466637]

>>4466625
Avoid cults.

[Anonymous No.4466638]

>>4466625
Just stop watching real porn, fren

[Anonymous No.4466667]

>>4456770
hey i like balls man
keep on doing the good work

[Anonymous No.4466685]

i wish i could draw all day but my frail human body can't accommodate me
fuck my brain that gets foggy after 40 minutes
fuck my wrists that are slowly building up arthritis

[Anonymous No.4466688]

people can post underage porn here no problem but i cant post my furry shit in porn threads even though i genuinely want to improve. i mean damn i get furry porn is cringe but why the fuck is borderline illegal porn allowed while legal cringe is banned

[Anonymous No.4466703]

>>4466688
fucking an*moids is illegal too, anon
both are illegal cringe

[Anonymous No.4466712]

>>4466703
anthropomorphic animal x human hybrids dont exist irl bro there are no laws against fucking one.

[Anonymous No.4466731]

>>4466712
anime girls don't exist irl either if you want to play that game

[Anonymous No.4466732]

>>4456770
post art

[Anonymous No.4466738]

>>4466712
It's not about laws bro I don't thing it illegal to post ponies but there you have it

[Anonymous No.4466799]

>>4466625
His art declined because his mental health declined, his inability to correct his art mistakes and inability to want to improve lead to his now childlike artstyle and childlike behavior, all of which stem from an increasingly narcissistic personality and self image. This regression was most likely brought on by his new trans friends which helped enable his mental regression by feeding into his delusions, anger, and encouraging the development of childlike behaviors and doubts about his identity within him creating a nasty feedback loop of self deception, narcissism, and destructive behaviors. All of this to get him to break mentally and reform himself into someone who can better integrate into their friendgroup or cult or whatever.

My advice to you is to always be mindful of the people you associate yourself with, mindful of your ego and avoid yes men and enablers at all costs. Anybody can turn into your friend given the right circumstances including you if youre not careful.

[Anonymous No.4466853]

>>4466731
Not even the same person but children do exist in real life you god damn idiot.

[Anonymous No.4466855]

>>4466731
anime is a style. the subjects are kids.

[Anonymous No.4466876]

>>4466197
i did some experimenting with my linework and i think that had a big part in it, my line weight's not as varied and as fluid as i'd like it to be. i'll try to start doing a lot more quick life sketches though because that'll definitely help with posing too, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4466883]

>>4466855
Anime is short for japanese animation.

[Anonymous No.4467074]

>>4466799
>>4466625

>My advice to you is to always be mindful of the people you associate yourself with, mindful of your ego and avoid yes men and enablers at all costs. Anybody can turn into your friend given the right circumstances including you if youre not careful.

As someone who was with a enabler this is 100% true.
You can really easily get trapped in a situation like that esp to those you grown close to and bonded emotionally with.

It can really effect your identity of yourself (especially if you never had a strong sense of identity to begin with) and make you become very lost and/or confused so then instinctively you look for comfort within those people but cause of that you never focus on understanding yourself and growing as a human being but instead just get dragged deeper into something you are not.

Cause of that i personally regressed in art/mentally really badly and did alot of regrettable things cause of it.
BUT on the bright side of having that experience and learning it the hard way, i improved my art so much and have a much stronger understanding of life than before but..ill admit mentally i am not too well still but thats just cause i have a hard time telling what is real and what is not sometimes but art helps alot with that so it balances it all out.

Sorry for the long text i just wanted to share my own personal experience and insight into this into this hoping maybe it might help someone in someway.

[Anonymous No.4467090]

>stop posting for a bit
>art is fun
>start posting again
>art is a minefield of anxiety and competition
>can't stop being active online for too long or else I start feeling like a nobody

[Anonymous No.4467148]

>>4465438
it started with the former and the latter came along thinking they could critique too. they were wrong.

[Anonymous No.4467189]

>>4466883
and?

[Anonymous No.4467242]

>>4466229
Printer paper is not for painting. I use cheapest drawing paper in sheets (around a1 size), it's fine for tempera and acrylics, acceptable for guache, but I don't know if amerifats have similar paper, I know for sure that in my homeland the drawing paper sucks balls for painting. You have to experiment for yourself, there's no magic setup.

[Anonymous No.4467295]

>>4458343
If a girl keeps constantly bringing up her boyfriend to you she is trying to get you to fuck off. Learn to read social cues.

[Anonymous No.4467355]

drawing makes me sad in realizing how much of a fuckup i am

[Anonymous No.4467371]

>>4467355
>only sad
>not depressed to the point of death
It always starts when you mess up just one line. Then you mess up again. You wonder why you mess up. It's because you don't practice. Why don't you practice? Because you're an idiot from long ago. You could practiced then, but no. Decades have gone by and the result today is an entire mass fuck up just because you couldn't do jack shit back then. Frustrating.

[Anonymous No.4467672]

>want to copy a face
>spend an hour trying to put the most basic shapes onto the paper
>fail

[Anonymous No.4468033]

>>4467295
I'm gay and I still have to listen to them talk about their boring ass boyfriend

[Anonymous No.4468259]

jesus, i have absolutely no intuition for size/scale/proportion
everything i draw is fucked from the start i don't know the right spot to start putting lines down and it snowballs into everything being a totally wrong size and running out of space on the paper

[Anonymous No.4468420]

>>4468259
Hello there me.

I'm currently taking a break from drawing hands, and holy hell is it hard to draw everything just right. Fingers are driving me nuts.

[Anonymous No.4469019]

i'm bad at drawing

[Anonymous No.4469045]

Why do I postpone drawing day after day. It's been several weeks now and I haven't touched my pens and brushes. It's like I put so much pressure on myself. I don't dare try and potentially ruin the image in my head or something.

[Anonymous No.4469049]

>>4466732
No you gay bastard

[Anonymous No.4469066]

>>4466625
>tranny is a mentally ill narcissist
More news at 11.
Don't make friends with people that don't have a strong sense of identity and (obvious) mental illness. Nothing you could of done, people that get caught by cults (SJW or /pol/niggers) are very hard to drag away from. Don't feel to bad anon, shit like this happens all the time.

[Anonymous No.4469088]

>>4456900
>doesn't post work

[Anonymous No.4469140]

I'm a frequent poster on /vent/ thread and about 30% of vents are mine because I don't want to post it on my twitter

[Anonymous No.4469147]

>>4457189
I have ADHD, it's like you but with the added bullshit of being a hyperactive nut. I still practice everyday for hours, stop being a faggot and draw.

[Anonymous No.4469155]

>>4469147
>lack of focus is the same as having super focus
reverse cope
i fucking hate people who get adderall for free so god damn much

[Anonymous No.4470311]

I don't know why but lately I wonder what I'm life could have been. But then I remembered that I dropped out of college twice due to having massive hysterical nervous breakdowns. Now I'm in a job that only pays minimum wage. Im starting to think that maybe I should have settled down. But then I recalled that no one was interested in me. I know it's not too late but I don't want to put in the effort.
Art is the only thing I have going for me and I feel bad that I haven't taken it seriously in the last decade.

[Anonymous No.4470316]

>>4470311
Yeah, you should have settled down. Having a job like that is the best.

[Anonymous No.4470374]

>>4470316
That's a lot of commitment

[Anonymous No.4470519]

why keep trying if I know I'm not gonna make it, bros? should I just keep drawing as a hobby or just give up?