/vent/

[Anonymous No.4432115]

at the point of giving up and killing myself edition

[Anonymous No.4432130]

>nobody here seems to enjoy drawing anything other than anime girls and coomer art

I'm not trying to attack anyone's taste or anything, but it seems like people favour anime drawings instead of literally anything else. It kind of ruins the credibility and the respect of this board when everyone shits on your work but praise shitty /beg/ tier drawings of anime girls, it's really frustrating how much coomer art has completely taken over this industry. It's the only viable career in art these days due to crushing nepotism and high competition to actually get hired in an actual studio or something like that.

Worse thing is, there's literally no viable alternative sites than here that is active in art discussion than here. When was the last time /ic/ came together and did something grand art-wise? This place is dead and desolate and is only relevant to people who draw coomer stuff. It's depressing.

[Anonymous No.4432274]

How come people on this board are so obsessed with what other people are drawing, especially when it comes to anime and coom art? We don't actively hate western art styles and bash them at every turn

[Anonymous No.4432282]

>>4432130
What's really depressing is normalfags coming here like internet niggers to complain about normal 4chan things

[Anonymous No.4432299]

>>4432130
I hear you, man. It sucks. Generic anime and coomer shit is the go to for posters on here. Notice how the threads with actual artists who post original work aren't as active when compared to the one full of coomers treating every board like /d/ or /h/

>>4432282
then you have quadruple faggots like this who try to defend the precipitous drop in quality of art and art discussion, and hand wave away any criticisms against it.

[Anonymous No.4432312]

>>4432299
I'm not defending any drops in quality, I'm naming them. Both of you are probably shit at drawing. Assmad about anime and nsfw but still come to 4chan to step on people's fun.

[Anonymous No.4432331]

>>4432130
/trad/ threads usually contain a lot of other stuff.

[Anonymous No.4432334]

Drawing is shit. I am shit. /beg/s in their first few weeks draw better than me. I post work I'm really proud of and people shit on it. I will never get better. Fuck everything.

[Anonymous No.4432346]

>>4432130
I think the tastes of /ic/ mirror the tastes of the general population more than you think.
People like anime, so people post anime and talk about it here. Same with good western-style comic art. People tend not to like weird abstract stuff as much, so if that's what you're posing, then it's not surprising if you don't get a great reaction. Stuff like realism and landscapes would be somewhere in the middle. People will appreciate the skill that went into it, but they don't usually get super excited over it, same goes for /ic/.
Basically if your work is good and appealing then it will get a positive response, otherwise it won't. Cute anime girls are appealing so that's what gets drawn.

[Anonymous No.4432357]

>>4432346
/ic/ tastes mirror what people who dwell in /ic/ likes.
Being fat greasy neets, that masturbate to drawings, dont lift a finger and are depressed because people dont like them, although they are really smart borderline geniuses (note to self, theyre not)

[Anonymous No.4432358]

>why people in /ic/ are so obsessed in GMI and NGMI? You are sucking all the fun of being an artist and making art

[Anonymous No.4432364]

>>4432358
do you even know what you just wrote retard

[Anonymous No.4432378]

Every time I start putting things together art-wise something comes and knocks me down.

The whole pandemic thing closed uni and forced me to move back home, deadlines and missed lectures are piling up, and I'm beyond scared for my parents.
The stress is killing me, and I keep getting stomach aches.

I'll pull through somehow, but I just want to draw.

>>4432130
>>4432334
Drawing is fun. Drawing is the only thing that's fun and the only thing I want to do.
Keep it together anons. Remember why you started.

[Anonymous No.4432381]

>>4432346
>I think the tastes of /ic/ mirror the tastes of the general population more than you think. People like anime, so people post anime and talk about it here
You are seriously deluded if you believe that. Anime is such a fucking niche interest dude.

[Anonymous No.4432386]

>>4432381
>anime
>niche in this day and age
Are you a millennial?

[Anonymous No.4432389]

Honestly, I'm fucking tired of you cynical depressed fucks. Almost every thread here is someone crying about something that doesn't matter. Is it too much to fucking ask to want people that find joy in art?

[Anonymous No.4432392]

>>4432386
All I'm saying is you're fucking deluded if you actually believe anything else. Like totally deluded. Don't be blinded by the little online bubble you're in.

[Anonymous No.4432393]

>>4432381
>anime is niche in 2020
LOL

[Anonymous No.4432394]

>>4432381
What hole did you crawl out from?

[Anonymous No.4432395]

>>4432393
Yeh... I genuinely don't know what to say. I mean you clearly are convinced it isn't niche so if you can actually live in the world and believe that I don't know what I could possibly say to you.

[Anonymous No.4432397]

>>4432389
Finally a proper vent. I feel the same every singe time on so many boards. /tg/, /sci/ and /g/ are probably the most chill.

[Anonymous No.4432400]

>>4432394
I live in London.

[Anonymous No.4432402]

I had a crush on 2 art hoes.

[Anonymous No.4432409]

>>4432389
>>4432395

>crying about something that doesn't matter

Man, fuck off you boomer. If you've got everything figured out then draw. People vent so they don't feel alone tackling this very difficult hobby.

[Anonymous No.4432414]

>>4432395
You're clearly out of touch. Sucks to be you gramps

[Anonymous No.4432423]

>>4432409
Dude I'm not trying to upset you. I like anime myself. I'm just surprised anyone thinks it's popular among the general population.

[Anonymous No.4432424]

>>4432409
Abloobloo seethe more. Threads of people thinking they're too old to start drawing, or threads of people bitching their anime art isn't authentic enough are simply pathetic.

[Anonymous No.4432425]

>>4432423
Sorry, that wasn't meant for you, was for someone else.

[Anonymous No.4432491]

My friend/roommate is loudly experimenting with his rap songs in the room next to mine while I draw and it's driving me up the fucking walls but I don't want to interrupt his creative endeavors even though I hate the music they make because he and his group are starting to make it and I'm still rooting for them.

[Anonymous No.4432518]

>>4432381
Maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror, anon. Anime is one of the most populars forms of art in the world. It’s more popular than cartoon.

[Anonymous No.4432524]

This is hard anons. I wanna draw digitally but I don't want my electric bill to go higher since I almost got laid off after the covid 19. I feel like I'm gonna lose all my color and rendering gains and it makes me sad. Right now I'm stuck with pencils and pens. It's still fun, but not as fun as painting.

[Anonymous No.4432529]

>>4432518
there is a difference between visual media and art, I'm sorry anime isnt art (in the graphic sense).
Just like comics, the only art you can get from anime is the story itself.
But as aesthetic art? nah
even street art has more credit than anime

[Anonymous No.4432531]

>>4432524
pick up an watercolor case, if you can dominate that medium you can do anything

[Anonymous No.4432535]

>>4432529
End of Evangelion will be remembered longer and is more important to more people than whatever garbage you like.
Suck it.

[Anonymous No.4432549]

>>4432518
>Anime is one of the most populars forms of art in the world
All I can really do is quote that statement back to you and see if it sinks in how preposterous it is. Like, look at the world, look at what the average person spends their leisure time doing, I mean for instance the street you live on, what the people in your street do with their leisure time. Then reflect on that statement. I don't have anything else to say on this topic.

[Anonymous No.4432583]

>>4432549
On their phone looking at social media, texting, and calling someone. What’s your point again?

[Anonymous No.4432722]

i really don't understand people who get so fucking assmad when someone compares their designs to other pre-existing characters. i understand why it's a bit rude and annoying, but people really blow up about it too much. it would annoy me a bit if people did it to me, but i wouldn't completely sperg about it, and this is coming from a designfag. just looks like cope to me

[Anonymous No.4433315]

>>4432381
anime is mainstream, just accept the fact.
i fucking hate anime btw

[Anonymous No.4433332]

>>4432531
Thanks anon. I do have some stored, a bit hard to use since the color changes when it dries, but it's better than nothing.

[Anonymous No.4433337]

>don't know what to do with my life
>started drawing
>everything is so frustrating and makes me want to kill myself
>I'm unemployed and I don't know if I like art enough to make a living out of it
>think I'm just gonna kill myself as soon as my sister kicks me out of her house
I'm a pathetic useless fucking piece of shit

[Anonymous No.4433341]

>>4433337
What a fucking loser holy shit. Get a job man.

[Anonymous No.4433346]

>start nursing college
>get my life on track
>feels good to have an objective
>drawing and studying everyday
>lifedrawing 2 hours before class everyday

Feels good man, fuck art college.

[Anonymous No.4433347]

>>4432378
how do missed lectures and deadlines pile up if your uni is fucking closed?

[Anonymous No.4433349]

>>4433337
Hang in there anon, I know it's really hard to get employed esp now with a pandemic, but it will have its end. So hang tight.

[Anonymous No.4433378]

>>4433341
I've sent over 200 resumes, it's impossible to get a job in this shithole of a third world country

[Anonymous No.4433381]

>>4433378
>the 200 resumes meme started because of third world country citizens and not first world citizens
This explains so much.

[Anonymous No.4433387]

>>4432378
You didnt miss any lectures if its not possible to be there...
Also imagine having weeks of free time in home but instead of drawing u "love" U vent here that your tummy hurts i wish i had such problems

[Anonymous No.4433405]

>the less I'm focused the better my work will be
I can't live like that, while I'm drawing I simultaneously listen to music, thinking about how my day went, what should I have for dinner, what I could reply to that one bully in the middle school to be smooth as fuck, etc etc. I'm autistic as fuck and it's killing me.

[Anonymous No.4433413]

Please don't response to bait, you and this board won't get any better

[Anonymous No.4433416]

>>4433405
That's how drawing is supposed to be, anon. You were mislead your entire life about how it was.

[Anonymous No.4433430]

I find this whole coronavirus pandemic to be liberating from the daily misery, and the thought of the world going into chaos doesn't scare me. Intellectually I can see the depth and gravity of the situation that others must feel, especially if they have kids and elderly parents to look after, but I am overall unphased on my side of the street.

I made a decent life for myself, but haven't drawn in a long time because of being choked with so much self hatred. I am sick of flying a desk in the Air Force. I spend my time doing a job that doesn't have to exist, and I actually qualify for the more challenging jobs that most people aren't able to do - but here I am, rotting like usual. I was so sick of everything and also so sick of myself that I am now training to become a Marine officer, and taking loads of online classes to get that degree in time so I can get the fuck out of here.

I have some casual friends I talk to, but nothing deep and nobody I talk to daily anymore. No family members. I drifted away from a lot of friends due to different lifestyle choices, moving a lot, changing name, joining the military, and converting to a religion a lot of people think is "a bit much". I still think about my ex every day after a year though I don't plan on getting back together. Sometimes in the middle of the night I wake up to myself uttering the names of the friends that I lost, the people I could've gotten to know better. I live my the unfulfilled dreams in my sleep. All the pictures I never drew, all the stories I never wrote. When I wake up in the morning, I go back to the drudgery. Thanks to the coronavirus, I am glad I don't have to go to work anymore.

[Anonymous No.4433436]

>>4432115
>Here bro all you need is a basic round opacity-jitter brush for all your needs for digital art
>Look at pro artists work and clearly they used a billion different brushes
And then there are these brush packs you can get online with like 50 million brushes and not indication for how/when best they could be used.
Once you "get the point" obviously that the brush itself wont make you a good artist it's like there is this void of lack of information out there on making use of fancy brushes, particularly for textures and stuff. It's annoying.

[Anonymous No.4433438]

horny and lonely...

[Anonymous No.4433448]

>>4433347
>>4433387
Buildings closed but the online system is still running (I just assumed that most unis switched to that in reference to closing, which was stupid).
All that means is that I don't get to ask the lecturers questions, or have tutorial sessions, just blind sailing till exam time.
I think I'm developing a stress ulcer, but I hope not.
I still draw (while I'm waiting for FEA simulations) so there's that.

>>4433436
Marco Bucci talks about brush variety a lot in his courses. Personally not a fan of his painting style but he gives good info.
>>4433438
Jack off, then you'll just be lonely.

[Anonymous No.4433466]

lonely...

[Anonymous No.4433520]

>never took care of my teeth, had no insurance for years so they went to shit
>don't have 30 grand for permanent implants
>have to have everything pulled and get dentures
>just happy to finally get it over with since my life has been daily pain and embarrassment, only working dead end jobs because nobody wants to hire someone young with fucked up teeth
>4 days before the big surgery it gets cancelled because of coronachan
it hurts

[Anonymous No.4433620]

Do people actually can spend their day watching porn or am I getting memed on

[Anonymous No.4433657]

>be me
>spend 50+hrs a week working on comms
>art was my passion
>only job I can get
>get neat idea to do a yearly mass YCH for fetish community I get a lot of work in, think it would be a nice thank you for making sure I have a home
>sell a good number of slots, no one seems to be shocked by the scope of project.
>kind of bummed one slot gets lowballed to the floor by some bronyfag
>work hard, solid 2 months on it cause had cash to pay rent because of project. proud of considerable progress.
>fuckin run out of time, project becomes a backburner thing. need to make that paper to keep roof-- work on YCH in margins of normal commissions

cut forward 4 months
>number of days taken off can be counted on one hand
>catching up on work thats stacked from a 6 month computer exploding stint previous year. feels good.
>clients confident, happy, radiant seeing their whatevers and whatnots come to life
>low money cause plague has usual work bein dry.
>have been keeping YCH up to date via almost daily art streams.
>cue antsy brony.

ahem
>bronyfag ree's about no news in 6 months
>bronyfag ree's 'me want horsecock now'
>bronyfag files paypal ree-fund.
>I show bronyfag his character is already in pic, not inked yet cause still working on surrounding characters between usual comms.
>bronyfag REEEEEEES, 'want done NAO. horsecock NAAAAAAOOOOOO'
>bronyfag ree's that he wont be able to pull ree-fund after 6 months is up, maximum priority
>im up to my balls in currently owed work worth more than his piddly lowball bid of 25 bucks
>I provide paypal with the original YCH posting with no promised date of completion, showcase that I make updates on my picarto almost daily, and that bronyfag's horsecock mcfuckstupid donut steel OC is in pic. also inform I cant do refunds on a YCH anyways cause I cant resell a slot after its been auctioned and drawn.
>Offer to provide any other materials needed.

>mfw paypal rules in bronyfag's favor, overdrafts my account

[Anonymous No.4433661]

>>4433657
Did they froze your acc? And who is that faggot, you can expose him on /trash/ in their shitty comissioners thread.

[Anonymous No.4433670]

(cont.)
Seriously, I pour my blood out for these assholes, and for barely pennies-- of which I spend on this bum ass friend I care for who lives on my couch who aint worked in 2+ years, keep a roof over our heads, and the power and net on...

shit like this really makes you just... question why the fuck you keep going. realizing how much of a razor you walk for being able to keep any measure of stability. I dont have family or any sort of social safety net-- and because my job isnt considered socially acceptable and I lack tits, I dont qualify for any sort of federal aid programs. fuckin joy there.

Im ultimately at the mercy of a load of horney neckbearded dirty mongaloid pervert fucks who at a moments whim, can bend me over and rawdog the shit outta me financially with no recourse.

I never got into art for this. I wanted to draw stupid robots and heroes-- monsters and cute girls. I wanted to carve pretty wood prints and forge mighty sculptures.

instead I draw grotesque abominations of sexuality-- I'm trapped in a room all day full of my roommates endless smoke. a bad heart, im outta shape and always stressed, with a miserable diet and no local friends and endless depression and anxiety.

[Anonymous No.4433672]

>>4433661
>>4433661
they didnt freeze it- just ripped the fucking money out when I didnt even have the cash in the account in the first place.

and the name was Reiku? I have the faggots real name on the transaction. also didnt know there was a shitty commissioners thread in /trash/

[Anonymous No.4433677]

>>4433672
You should check it, it's mostly shit post but you can just ask who to black list.

[Anonymous No.4433678]

>>4433677
cheers, I hope this actually manages to keep others getting fucked over by that faggot.

[Anonymous No.4433680]

>>4432130
>It kind of ruins the credibility and the respect of this board
ahahahHAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.4433701]

>>4433315
The Marvel superhero movies are mainstream. Thomas Kinkade is mainstream. Anime is not mainstream. The whole world does not equal Japan.

[Anonymous No.4433709]

>>4433701
There's obviously degrees of mainstream. Anime is not as mainstream as Game of Thrones, no. But when even my friend's boomer dad watches Attack on Titan and Demon Slayer, it seems pretty mainstream to me. Certainly there are many things that are less mainstream. Like, probably whatever art the OP likes. He didn't specify, he just conplained about anime.

[Anonymous No.4433752]

Sometimes I wonder if there are people who look at my art like I look at the art of artists who I want to draw like. I'm not even that big (<5k) or good, am I delusional?

[Anonymous No.4433804]

I will never make it out of beg

[Anonymous No.4433942]

>>4433657
so let's get this straight: you took everyone's money for a big project up front to pay your rent and then proceeded to spend the next 6 months accepting other commission jobs while never actually finishing the initial big project
i feel like the bronyfag isn't in the wrong for wanting a refund after half a year especially if you're taking on new commissions while floundering on the earlier one

[Anonymous No.4433947]

>>4433942
also if refunding $25 overdrafts your account then fucking lmao

[Anonymous No.4433948]

>>4433752
are you mimicking better artists or drawing lots of fanart? or do draw original ideas?

[Anonymous No.4433989]

>>4433332
Just have this in mind
Brighter and pastel colors will tend to darken when drying, the opposite happens to darker colours

[Anonymous No.4433993]

>>4433378
Try sending your resumes to factory work, normally they are in need of people and the work is mindless and normally really easy

[Anonymous No.4434113]

>>4433430
very well written anon

[Anonymous No.4434168]

>>4433947
4 months actually, and also everyone else who bought into this has been watching the YCH completed weekly on stream and has been fine with this. it wasnt that I ever stopped working on the piece-- I put hours in each week in conjunction with the rest of my work.

also is it that you seriously cant understand having more than one project on a table at once? how do you think art studio's work? for that matter-- how the hell do you think most people working on warhammer minis get an army painted? one at a time? way to huff paint thinner there. top score bucko. youre really working that galaxy brain energy.

as for the snipe about my income; Art doesnt ever pay very well, its not like this is some groundbreaking revelation. I just got finished paying rent and bills so yes, I had 20 bucks in the bank til payday on friday. not everyone has their mommy coming to bring their tism riddled ass a bucket of tendies and mtn dew for snackies time cause they were a big boy and didnt crap themselves in the grocery store that afternoon.

[Anonymous No.4434207]

I'm stuck in a constant rut. I've always felt like art is my calling; nothing has ever motivated me as much as it.
However, during my teenage years art was heavily discouraged by my parents. They always said it was useless that I spent time on such matters. Before starting university, I begged for them to let me pursue my passion, but they wanted me to become a doctor or a lawyer instead, so now I'm studying law (I'm 19).
I don't despise what I'm studying, but I barely have time to spend doing art. And when I do, I can't help but feel like a failure, so I stop doing it.
I also keep comparing myself to other artists my age who are much better than me because their passion was never discouraged and they spent a lot of time doing it. When I see where they're at in terms of art and where I'm at, I can't help but think to myself "Why bother?" and so I end up not doing anything, which only makes me feel worse.

[Anonymous No.4434219]

>>4434168
okay but you're not working at a prestigious art studio or a game design studio with heavy workloads and tight deadlines. you're making brony or furry art and crying because someone ruined your finances by getting a $25 refund because after 4 months you're still not done with the picture and you're also taking on new commissions in the interim. get your shit together.

[Anonymous No.4434425]

I've done nothing for a week but drinking vodka and animating for 12-15 hours a day, never felt better in my life

[Anonymous No.4434461]

>>4433804
How long you been there buddy?
I've been in /beg/ for over a year, I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel.

[Anonymous No.4434469]

>>4434461
/beg/ is the blind crabbing the blind, there is no escape.

[Anonymous No.4434480]

>>4434207
Literally every artist, good or bad at some point looks at their peers work and wonders the same things you do. Fuck, look at Kim Jung Gi, guy gets discouraged by YOUNGER artists and the guy is a master. Your only going to get further behind if you ignore your urge to draw and in the future you'll be old and regretful. Start sketching now, even if its just a little. You'll see improvement over the years and have build a good habit.

[Anonymous No.4434491]

Thinking of just selling my entire PC altogether and just getting a screen tablet that I can use occasionally to look at references which isn't connected to the internet at all. I don't know, something completely minimal because I don't want to be distracted at all.

[Anonymous No.4434604]

>>4434491
You need a computer to use a screen tablet, anon. At that point get a ipad pro or some shit.

[Anonymous No.4434625]

I feel like shit i keep trying to work on a piece for a long while i feel like a retard and, feel like crying again

[Anonymous No.4434963]

God I'm so sick of these "rest of the fucking owl" trash art books. They give you the basic measurements of stuff and then say "here's some drawings, figure the rest out shithead"

Thank you, author, I know you're so fucking good at drawing. Teach me what to do with these measurements. How do they interact? What is your thought process when constructing the fully rendered form?

[Anonymous No.4434965]

>>4432130
Anime art is very appealing. It is similar to graphic design in a sense. Most anime-style is simplified to the point where character's features are almost like symbols. While limiting it is good at conveying a character's emotions and extenuating certain features. The coomer stuff is unfortunate for those not interested in such things. Personally, I love the "low art" such as the anime and coomer stuff. I often try to look beyond face value in regards to that type of art to learn how it truly works by looking at reality. Anon, please tell me, what art are you interested in? I would like to know.

[Anonymous No.4434971]

starting to feel more and more unrealistic that i can make a career out of art. i have a boring decent paying job but i want to get out of that field

[Anonymous No.4434993]

>>4434963
If you want to turn drawing into a math problem and measure everything extremely precisely then you can. Turn yourself into a human 3D modeling program, use the algorithms they use. Learn how to do plan projections and draw everything like an engineer would. But it's such an extremely arduous process that not even dedicated fundiesfags draw like that. Ultimately a lot of drawing comes down to experience and intuition.

Drawing is like playing a sport in a lot of ways. There's no set of words that someone can say to you that will make you be able to throw a football well. Someone can give you tips and a general method of what you're supposed to do, but that's only a small start. You inevitably have to do most of the work yourself and add a mountain of practice on top of that basic framework they taught you.

I agree that teachers could do more to explain their thought process while drawing, but there's a couple reasons why that may not be possible. One is that there might be a limit of how much they're aware of themselves, or they've forgotten how to even verbalize it. I've heard multiple pros say that they basically go on autopilot when they draw; it's like handwriting is for normal people, or driving a car. It's just a completely ingrained automatic thing, they don't need to think about it at all and may not even be capable of analyzing the movements down into smaller parts. Another reason is just, eventually you will hit a basic unit of thought where the pro's actions will simply be better than yours and no further analysis is possible. If the pro says "ok, now you have to feel the form and draw over the surface", and they draw a nice smooth curve that expresses exactly what they wanted too, and you try the same thing "feeling the form now" but your curve comes out all shitty and distorted... well, you just need to practice feeling the form more, that's all there is to say about it.

[Anonymous No.4434995]

Godamn I want to get better at sketching stuff on digital but sketching on trad just feels so much better compared to it

[Anonymous No.4434997]

>>4434995
Lots of artists sketch on paper and then scan it in.

[Anonymous No.4435008]

I can't fucking draw knowing the world is going to shit.
How can I sit here typing up posts for my patrons about wips and stream schedules and shit like everything's cool?
How am I supposed to draw fun things and colorful things and get really into some fantastical story when I can see crushing reality looming right outside my window?
I feel sick inside. People are so fucking stupid. How am I supposed to make anything remotely artistic like this??
God, fuck.

[Anonymous No.4435029]

>>4435008
It's just the flu bro

[Anonymous No.4435033]

>>4435008
Art is more important in times like these.
People will need escapism and they will need dependability.

[Anonymous No.4435061]

>>4435029
I'm not just talking about covid. The virus is just one tree in this flaming forest.
>>4435033
I know, that's why I keep trying. I can't do much to directly help beyond what I've been doing, donating, volunteering, etc. I think entertainment through art is the best role I could play but the anxiety is fucking killing me. I'm thinking about that band in Titanic playing while the ship sinks and wondering how anyone could actually do it.

[Anonymous No.4435177]

Man, i try to be positive but every day i am more sure suicide is the only option. I keep telling myself that i can get out of here if i study a career but i am not sure things won't explode before i can finish. Fuck socialism, i hate poor people and i can't wait for them to die of the chinese flu, worthless pieces of shit i am tired of getting told i am a bad person for not feeling bad for those shit heads and their ugly nigger childrens.

[Anonymous No.4435195]

>>4434993
I appreciate your reply to my anger.

I agree with your points, although sometimes it is nice to get insight into what the expert is thinking. I was just watching some of Vilppu's videos and those are excellent. He draws examples of what he just taught us and talks through it all, makes it crystal clear.

Although I understand this is rarely possible to do this is book form. I was reading some other book and while it has explanations of how body parts all work, figuring out how to render it out is just left up to the reader. But the cure is most likely that I just need to Just Draw™ way more.

[Anonymous No.4436004]

>>4432378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtfqUtW_8AA

[Anonymous No.4436012]

How do I feel the form

[Anonymous No.4436067]

>>4436012
just do it bro its not that hard

[Anonymous No.4436075]

>>4436012
use your hand.

[Anonymous No.4436133]

i keep accidentally undoing stuff in pro create and when i put my hand on the screen the canvas freaks out. any tips?

[Anonymous No.4436140]

>>4436133
resell that aluminum piece of shit and buy a Cintiq.

[Anonymous No.4436153]

>>4436140
but i need my hentai and manga reader

[Anonymous No.4436163]

>>4436153
Galaxy Tab S3

[Anonymous No.4436207]

vilppu gesture drawing is too hard. EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE SHIT

[Anonymous No.4436340]

>Decide to pursue art, 200% set on making it
>Draw with body and soul for the better part of 8 years
>Increasingly more emotional and identifying with my work
>Total earnings ~50$, two-digit followers
>Intermediate garbage compared to most people with a following
>Finally cave in and decide to get a day job
>Take on design job
>OMG you are phenomenal!!!
>Got paid 200$ from a client for 5 minutes of work, got assigned immediately to higher profile stuff
>Getting actually paid for things I value and commit to less than 30 second gestures
>Could probably earn very good money doing this stuff on demand for the rest of my life
>Will to draw/live hitting absolute rock bottom
>Just drinking and wasting time on the internet in my spare time instead of drawing for myself
>I'll never be an artist
>Hoping coronavirus gets me so this talentless waste of a life can end

[Anonymous No.4436361]

>>4436340
wait, so can you draw or not?
do fanart of your favorite things (games, anime, movies whatever, books etc)
show us something

[Anonymous No.4436410]

>>4436361
>wait, so can you draw or not?
I swear I don't even know anymore.

[Anonymous No.4436479]

I haven't been outside for 2 weeks

[Anonymous No.4436568]

I feel like I'm permanently damaged from spending way too much time on 4chan. Or even the internet in general.
And not just art-wise. I'm paranoid and depressed and I just want it to be over.
To me the will to live is the will to do art.
And I don't really do much of it anymore.

[Anonymous No.4436581]

>>4436568
I used to draw daily, until I discovered /ic/. This shithole is a cesspool filled with a bunch of mentally ill retards that don’t even draw. I started browsing here constantly because how entertaining the retards are on here, but now i’m like those retards.

[Anonymous No.4436588]

>>4436568
get off of 4chan. stop looking for advice on 4chan. Not even joking.

[Anonymous No.4436607]

>>4436568
>>4436588
This, get off 4chan. This place is like black mold for your brain. I only come here to shit post every now and then.

[Anonymous No.4436610]

>>4436607
I'm even shit posting right now!

[Anonymous No.4436632]

Is there even anyone besides coomers or art-tubers who are making it nowadays?

I do not count wageslaving for a company that doesn't care about you as making it btw.

[Anonymous No.4436663]

>>4436632
first please define "making it"

this dumb fucking meme gets thrown around ad nauseam it has lost its meaning.

[Anonymous No.4436766]

Didn't backup my software's workspace settings. Don't be like me, /ic/. Go backup your settings right now. Even back it up online.

[Anonymous No.4437023]

>>4436632
But what if its a company that DOES care?

[Anonymous No.4437357]

>>4436568
>>4436581
>>4436588
>>4436607

Obligatory reading.

[Anonymous No.4437376]

>>4437357
you don't get it.
for some of us this is our last resort to get any resemblance of social interaction even though every one has their own reason for being socially isolated
and yet, you are also here to post this old pasta telling people to leave

[Anonymous No.4437411]

I found an artist that basically draws what I like to draw, in the artstyle I was aiming for, but he's way, way beyond my skill level. Like literally "I can't feasibly reach this person's skill level during my lifetime" tier.
Browsing to his gallery felt like a punch in the gut. What's the point of my art? I seriously don't know how to cope with this. I feel crushed.

[Anonymous No.4437468]

>>4437411
Dont be crushed anon. You found the perfect reference to steal from. Study his work.

[Anonymous No.4437479]

>>4432491
draw them an album cover for exposure

[Anonymous No.4437486]

>>4437468
this.
sounds like a dream desu

[Anonymous No.4437500]

>>4437411
>draws what I like to draw, in the artstyle I was aiming for
If it's really something unique instead of a variation of cute anime girls, reach out to this person 'cause you found a soulmate or at the very least a mentor or an artist you can look up to. This is something to be happy about.
If I have to make assumptions, you haven't been drawing for too long. Over time you take your own path and in a certain way you inevitably become your favorite artist. It would be weird if you didn't.

[Anonymous No.4437507]

>>4437411
Who is the artist? The same happend to me and i took it as a way to study his works, thank god he is a pro and has various books with sketches that give me inspiration everytime i look at.

[Anonymous No.4437534]

>>4437507
I love Ilya Kuvshinov too, anon

[Anonymous No.4437677]

>>4432130
Nobody ever comments on the stuff I post in beg. :( is it just that bland?

[Anonymous No.4437762]

>>4437411
Post artist? As >>4437468 said, it only makes it easier for you.
>>4437479
A member of the group is also a mega /p/fag so he's doing that. It looks good but that means no opportunities for me.
>>4437677
I don't personally find that subject very interesting. But keep posting it and insist- people will end up replying.

[Anonymous No.4437764]

the chink is back what do we do

[Anonymous No.4437779]

>>4432130
It all goes downhill when you let coomers in your art community and let them call themselves artists. Now camgirls use "artist" to describe themselves, as if this role needed any less credibility.
In coomers' defense, 4chan is mainly a porn site for weebs, so it's people who expect this place not to be overrun with porn who should find another community.

>>4432331
/trad/ is just a few resident autists posting meme painting and stirring drama, it's not any better than the rest of the board.

The truth is that a community for art and anonymity don't go well together. Not even when it comes to critique, since the general taste here is shit and the people who talk the most are the least competent. Actually art communities are always awful and useless since everyone uses the community for social climbing while doing all the learning and growth through the same 10 popular artists. There's no exchange of ideas going on within the community so what's the fucking point? At best you can get someone else to help you with your homework so you can get a bit closer to looking exactly like Craig Mullins or your favorite weebshit artist.

[Anonymous No.4437887]

>>4437779
>Now camgirls use "artist" to describe themselves, as if this role needed any less credibility.
kek really

[Anonymous No.4437888]

>>4437468
So I can be labeled an imitation at best?

[Anonymous No.4437936]

>>4437762
>A member of the group is also a mega /p/fag so he's doing that. It looks good but that means no opportunities for me

Photobash some portraits of each member, dont really sweat it, just make it good enough that normies will find it appealing... They probably will put those portraits in their group ig and also in their own social media profiles. You can get exposure with almost zero work

[Anonymous No.4437969]

I don't wanna draw things, I just wanna sketch stuff and never bother erasing the guidelines or making it not look like chicken scratch

[Anonymous No.4438000]

>>4432115
Serious question. I'm getting that imposter syndrome feeling. Have I ever drawn anything good? A lot of my sketches are turds I don't bother polishing but has every sketch I've ever made been subpar normie garbage? Do I have any talent? Have I just been wasting time for decades? I get the feeling sometimes that my friends might think im retarded and they just pat me on the head to pacify me. But how can I know? Do I have any potential?

https://www.deviantart.com/maikeru01/gallery/

[Anonymous No.4438012]

>>4437888
There is no rule that says that an imitation cannot surpass the original

[Anonymous No.4438017]

>>4438000

bruh u can't be serious 12 years? You gotta be baiting.

[Anonymous No.4438018]

>>4438012
Considering the gap in skill level, I'm afraid this is the case.

[Anonymous No.4438023]

>>4438000
Your anatomy is lacking. Get your nose back into Loomis and figure drawing for a bit if you want to improve. But you should continue. Some of your featured drawings I like- particularly the latest two cars from which I get a bit of that cool 80s vibe.

[Anonymous No.4438024]

>>4438000
The car stuff is really good. Not feeling the rest to be honest.

[Anonymous No.4438030]

>>4438018
Do you have fun drawing anon?
You may feel like it's not the case, but it can be achieved. May take 5 years, may take 10. Consistency and passion can get you there. You'd be surprised how much better a person get in a short frame of time. And by that point you'll know enough not to be a meme imitation.
Again, care about posting that artist you're looking up to? Out of curiosity.

[Anonymous No.4438077]

>>4438017
I created the account a long time ago but I didn't upload anything until 2014 and until last year I was just drawing for fun, mostly dragon Ball crap. Last April I started actually trying to improve. Not making excuses but to be clear it's quite different from actively studying for 12 years.

[Anonymous No.4438244]

>>4437888
What >>4438012 said
Also who gives a shit? If you enjoy drawing in that style, why does it matter if someone else does too or even did it first? Theres plenty of similar looking or samey styles out there because a lot of people have similar taste. Stop caring so much and just draw.

[Anonymous No.4438610]

>>4432115
>faces look good when drawn first, but body looks like shit when i draw it second
>bodies look good when drawn first, but faces look like shit when drawn second
Does anybody else struggle with this? How do I fix this?

[Anonymous No.4438664]

>>4437677
there's not much to say. it's a rough sketch of a random girl that isn't easily dunkable, and you should already know what you're weak on just judging by how you drew it.
you have the clearest idea of what's going on with faces, while the rest is a bit wonky and that wonk is in almost direct proportion to how sketchy your lines get.

[Anonymous No.4438669]

>>4437677
apply to the body what you've applied to the face, you're winging it. I can tell you don't wanna draw the body because the face is more interesting.

[Anonymous No.4438672]

>>4437677
I was actually gonna leave a positive comment on it in /beg/ and then I just didn't for some reason.
There's nothing SUPER wrong with it which is explains the lack of replies, but obviously you still have a long way to go too. Just keep practicing.

[Anonymous No.4438681]

>>4438610
The face and the body are the same drawing. If you're not thinking of the one or the other, you've already gone off path. You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.4438911]

Anybody else out here struggle with posting art on social media because it makes you feel really vulnerable and uncomfortable?????? fuck!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.4438913]

>>4438911
I have that problem already with just posting even one word

[Anonymous No.4438977]

>>4432115
FUCKING LEARNING HOW TO DRAW PROPERLY AND GRINDING FUNDIES IS SO FUCKING BORING AND DEMOTIVATING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT FUCKING EASTERN METHODS OF LEARNING HOW TO DRAW, ALL THEY DO IS FUCKING COPY WHAT THEY LIKE.

Is this a viable method bros? i wanna get my passion for art back and i can't draw anything from imagination because i haven't trained my technical drawing skills like observation, perspective, etc yet.

[Anonymous No.4439005]

>>4438977
You can practice fundamental skills and draw what you like...eg construct a basic figure for the animu character you want to draw, practise perspective by drawing a robot, etc.

[Anonymous No.4439021]

>>4438977
That works, but it's also a grind.

[Anonymous No.4439030]

>>4438977
did your ban just end or something bro?

[Anonymous No.4439067]

Self-worth issues. I'm so invisible, even to myself.

[Anonymous No.4439094]

havent been ever able to finish a piece due to fuck ups all over every fucking time

[Anonymous No.4439104]

Really goddamn sick of sideways jabs from normies. If you're gonna tell me my art is shit just say so. Dont wanna hear "oh this is so great... did you mean to make it look stupid though? Like, is that part of your style? You're so creative."

They know it's a fuckup, they know it wasnt intentional. I'm sure they probably think they're being helpful or something by "hinting" that I should fix it, but it bothers me so much. At least my internet friends have the decency to tell me to kill myself when I fuck up the perspective.

[Anonymous No.4439109]

>>4439094
why not just fix the fuckups?

[Anonymous No.4439127]

drawing this enemy for my game is taking sooo long and I'm nearly done but I'm just so god damn bored of it. Also, I feel directionless in what to actually study (Is it better to just study boxes? What about anatomy and gesture? Which one first? If I do it in the wrong order will I hurt myself in the long run or worse, stall out and go nowhere? Isn't that what I'm already doing anyway?)

[Anonymous No.4439130]

of4439109
ive tried, but ive been too retarded to figure it out multiple times and wasted a stupidly large amount time trying to fix it and figure it out only to end up with a different fuckup of the same thing

[Anonymous No.4439135]

>>4439109
ive tried, but ive been too retarded to figure it out multiple times and wasted a stupidly large amount time trying to fix it and figure it out only to end up with a different fuckup of the same thing

[Anonymous No.4439141]

drawing is torture, but having nothing to do but mindless indulging and wasting away is even more torturing, and said indulging doesnt help keep worse thoughts away.

[Anonymous No.4439146]

Is drawing that hard to learn, or am I just retarded?

[Anonymous No.4439155]

>>4438977
How does "copy what they like" even work?
Just trace until you can replicate?
I seriously don't understand.

[Anonymous No.4439189]

This fucking painting is shit but I'm incapable of fixing it for some reason so I'm just hoping it comes out ok in the end. I can render ok but the way I started it out fucked me over and now I can't salvage it. I'm considering just restarting it every 5 minutes.Also the whole things turning out more gay than I originally intended it to be.

[Anonymous No.4439215]

>>4439146
Different people have different affinities. I find drawing to be so much more difficult to learn than any other skill that it may as well be considered the only difficult skill, but others seem to somehow find it intuitive.

[Anonymous No.4439223]

>>4439005
Hell yeah i'm more into that, plus i'll get my passion back with this way of learning. Must be how the japs did it.
>look at techique in fundie book
>copy technique and apply to animu drawing
>learning to draw what you want + grinding fundies = actually enjoying learning art and art itself

>>4439021
>"That works, but it's also a grind."
Better than looking at loomis for 15 minutes, getting frustrated and losing motivation to draw altogether.

[Anonymous No.4439246]

How do you fucking find the balance between self confidence to keep going and objectivity to critique your own work.

I either in a mood where I love my trash work and can’t find any mistake or in a mood when I just want to die because of the shame whenever I do a little doodle.
How can I improve how can I change this mood behavior do I need a tutor or someone that going to spoon feed me critique all my fucking life!!!!

HOW DO ONE GET BETTER AT CRITIQUING IS OWN WORK?!

[Anonymous No.4439248]

>>4437357
Thank you anon.
Good to know that someone cares enough to at least wish we all wouldn't be stuck here.

[Anonymous No.4439252]

I think most people here just need a bit of happyboy optimistic outlook on life.

Remember, you are nothing and less that a dust in the scale of the universe. Nothing really matters. Ride out the experience. Enjoy.

[Anonymous No.4439275]

>>4439223
heh I had problems with loomis as well. But I started with his figure drawing one and quickly realized it was probably more advanced than what I was ready for and I was spending too much time with it than I was drawing/putting it into practice.

Picking up Fun with a pencil and going to see if that's a better fit.

[Anonymous No.4439584]

My inner eye is fucking GARBAGE

I've been drawing all my life, tried picking it up seriously countless times, and my latest attempt has been going strong for longer than any previous one, drawing every day, practicing, studying books, examining my favorite artists' work etc. I can finish a referenced drawing that looks like far beyond what I could even imagine I could do in the past, despite being objectively mediocre or worse, and literally the very next second I start another drawing without a reference, I'm right back where I was when I was 10, unable to produce even a doodle worth a damn. I have no creativity and I have no skill in actual sustained drawing, all I can do is combine and construct from existing elements, I'm not sure if making it was ever an option.

[Anonymous No.4439638]

>>4437357
this screenshot always gets posted and its always bullshit
Name a single site that gets traffic and can act as an alternative, fucking reddit? twitter? absolute garbage. /ic/ is an absolute dogshit normalfag board (i'm just being a tourist, I dont usually browse here) but thats BECAUSE its filled with normoids from normoid websites.

[Anonymous No.4439770]

>>4439638
Truth is, you don't have to talk to anyone to git gud. You don't need alternative Anon, you're just wasting your time here.

[Anonymous No.4439803]

>>4439246
You need to level up your observational skills my guy. Pick up keys to drawing and do the excercises so you can train your eye better. It also helps to read the text as well since the author talks about mindset behind it.

[Anonymous No.4440497]

>get tablet repaired for failing display/charger port
>now the rocker ring and buttons don't work
Welp, guess that's what happens I buy Wacom and go local for my repair, huh?

[Anonymous No.4440506]

I want to eat out a girl while she draws to support my NEET lifestyle

[Anonymous No.4440526]

>draw smth
>hey it looks pretty good
>try it again
>oh no it looks nothing like it
one thing downing my mood

[Anonymous No.4440535]

people are enjoying their quarantine while im wageslaving

>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.4440538]

>>4439770
dude is that real? how does the cat have a shadow in a different direction?? this is some black cat magic if i've ever seen it.

[Anonymous No.4441515]

>export gif
>it's just the right size to bypass the limit on twitter
>notice small but bad mistake
>fix it in one stroke
>it's 0.3 mb bigger now

[Anonymous No.4441678]

>>4439146
I'm definitely not retarded and drawing is fucking hard, especially without guidance. Sometimes I feel retarded though.
>>4439127
You can draw anything, what will make you stall is drawing same thing and not being analytical about mistakes.
>>4438911
Yes
>>4438000
Drawing is difficult and the more time you put into it, the better the results, so decide for yourself if you enjoy it. You seem to have the most fun drawing cars, but human body is the hardest thing to draw so don't get discouraged. You should revise your perspective and fundamentals in general because in some cars it's off, also heads are structurally lacking. Try to incorporate practice into fun things, you'll be able to keep it up instead of getting bored of full grind.

[Anonymous No.4441691]

>>4438911
Create a new account not tied to any of your other accounts in name, email adress etc., anonymity makes it easier

[Anonymous No.4441696]

>>4439146
Drawing isn’t hard, if it is for you then yes, you are retarded. Drawing well/decent though is hard as fuck.

[Anonymous No.4441719]

Any stemfag here? Maybe it's cuz I'm beginning and am a bit overwhelmed, but drawing seems harder than math. Or at least it's like a dark area, you don't know where to head. At least math there is exactness, thorough explanations, a fuckton of literature, and you'll eventually get it after reading a few times. In drawing, you're just left to the mercy of others it seems and the improvement rate seems to be low. Plus your brain tricks you into thinking your drawing is correct, like what the fuck. It's cognitively absurd when you think about it. But maybe it's just me.

[Anonymous No.4441745]

How do I get more followers on sites like twitter? It's been exactly a year and I'm below 100 because i suck at networking. I'm under 200 at deviantart and it's getting close to two years. Those of you who made it, how do you do it exactly?

It sucks being in that spot where you're definitely better than a bunch of beginning artists, but not as good as highest-skilled artists. I see people here who are better than me on some metrics, or are only slightly worse, still get called /beg/ on this site. People who can't draw think I draw really nice, but there's always bigger fish.

Combine the two, and what happens is you get someone who isn't good enough to be excellent, so I can't truly consider myself a skilled artist, and yet has to compete with people who aren't as good, as well as those about as good or better, all of who do better when it comes to getting followers. Some of those people are art school students, some have been around for like ten years.

[Anonymous No.4441808]

>>4441691
I don't think it will. I already feel like this here.

[Anonymous No.4441907]

>>4433701
Who the fuck minus people in the field know who thomas kinkade even is lmao

[Anonymous No.4441917]

>>4441907
Dude. Kinkade sold millions of prints and other schlock based on his paintings, he's one of the biggest "collectable" artists around. Or was, cause he's dead. Kinkade was literally a household name, his tacky shit was in malls and stores all over the world.
Leave the house once in a while, huh?

[Anonymous No.4441945]

>>4437411
Look for others below him and emulate their art until you improve enough to be better than him

[Anonymous No.4441959]

>>4441719
Same empirical feeling here

[Anonymous No.4441965]

>>4441917
Yeah ok boomer nobody knows who that is lmao
Mainstream shit are both known by zoomer, normalfags, boomer and neet alike, like star wars

[Anonymous No.4442028]

>bodies are fine. fun to draw and learn.
>faces kill me.
I know I just have to grind this out, but I’ve always been stuck with faces. They look like shit and I want to kill myself whenever I try drawing one from reference.

[Anonymous No.4442305]

>>4442028
Naturally, the most important part of the drawing is also the hardest to draw.

[Anonymous No.4442314]

>>4433346 Here.

Seriously... I can't go out there to draw people... Fuck this virus dude. Fuck this shit. It really killed my workflow, now I'm stuck at home drawing boring things...

I just hope this ends already. I wanna go back to college and go back to life drawing

[Anonymous No.4442761]

>>4442314
Nigga you have millions of free images of people on the internet what are you complaining about

[Anonymous No.4442798]

I just fought with my tablet drivers for 3 FUCKING HOURS after a windows update but managed to get that shit working again. But this ordeal made me feel grateful about having a good tablet and a computer working at all.

[Anonymous No.4442821]

>>4437677
That means you are not bad enough to shit on, but not good enough for people to praise.

You are utterly unremarkable.
I'm the same.

[Anonymous No.4442847]

MOTHERFUCKER I tell you what

I don't want to go to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
I'm annoyed and cranky as shit.
I deleted my entire gallery that i've had up for almost 3 yrs and removed everyone from my friends list.

Idk what kind of mental illness i have but its fucking annoying doing this shit randomly every couple months and being seemingly pissed off about everything for no reason.

[Anonymous No.4442862]

I don't know how to monetize my stuff. Everytime I come up with an idea I put it aside as I'm not sure to be mentally healthy enough to work on the long run. It's not cool to start a Patreon and then disappearing for weeks or posting inconsistent quality material for them because of a fragile mind.

[Anonymous No.4442864]

>>4433620
I tried it for some time to see how far myself could go. To test how addicitve it is. It's fun at first but then it's just boring. But if someone suffers from real addiction I guess they could do that, yeah.

[Anonymous No.4443128]

I just wish I had some friends.

[Anonymous No.4443131]

>>4433620
This makes me think about if people actually spend all day improving.

[Anonymous No.4443148]

My pet is dying and i don't know what to do, he hasn't eaten or drank anything in the past 2 days and all the vet clinics are closed. He is old so it was going to happen sooner or later but not being able to do anything for him is killing me, i am scared of going to sleep because i don't want to wake up and realize he died. Life fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.4443373]

>>4443148
Aren't there any number to call or forums to visit where you can ask someone competent to give you some tips? I personally can't help with this, I've never got much chance with my pets. But if he's old that's maybe the time for him to go. Stay with him as much as you can but don't be too harsh to yourself, anon. I'm really sorry to hear that.

[Anonymous No.4443385]

>tfw can only draw from reference

[Anonymous No.4443389]

>>4443385
Do you at least try artistic freedom and stylize it?
Or do you photocopy?

[Anonymous No.4443396]

>>4443389
Stylize it, though I mostly use already stylized work as reference.

[Anonymous No.4443402]

>>4443385
>mfw can't read the reference and can only draw from imagination

[Anonymous No.4443929]

>tried to help some kid on reddit that posted his sub-beg tier anime doodle by recommending loomis and keys to drawing
>people just get mad that it's not valid critique
>all other comments are "this is amazing!"

there is no more vile place than reddit
i just tried to help one person ecape it

[Anonymous No.4443937]

>>4443929
You're wrong. It's this place. There is no more vile place than here where giving advice leads nowhere.

[Anonymous No.4443980]

>>4441965
You must be 18 to post on this website

[Anonymous No.4443986]

>>4441719
I'm so glad to see stemfags finally fail at something. It makes me happy to see programemers making $100k struggle to grasp something that comes fairly naturally to me.

[Anonymous No.4443993]

>>4443986
I do both. Being smart feels great.

[Anonymous No.4444231]

I want a good tablet but I know I suck too much to deserve one.

[Anonymous No.4444360]

i'm going to lose my shit if i see another artist abusing unnecessary chromatic aberration. if you're doing something with a really simple cartoony/anime art style you do not fucking need it jesus christ

[Anonymous No.4444377]

This is getting way less attention and views than my usual drawings but I think it's really cool dammit.
The train is gone now I already posted it everywhere, this one will go to the archives with no glory. I'll show it off in the future whenever someone asks to see my drawings though.

[Anonymous No.4444546]

>>4443929
>like this place is any better

[Anonymous No.4444715]

>>4443373
Thanks, called the vets and no one answered since we are in quarentine. He is really not that old (guinea pigs live 4 to 8 years and he is only 4). I don't really want to wake up to him dead.

[Anonymous No.4444722]

I want to leave this shitty place and never look back.
I fucking hate the people here.
Why do I keep coming back?

[Anonymous No.4444727]

>>4444722
There's good content sometimes and it's fun to see people argue.

[Anonymous No.4444831]

>>4444722
Because you hate yourself.

[Anonymous No.4444837]

>>4444546
>>4444722
What is this dumb mindset I keep seeing here?

Do you not see how many good artists are in /alt/ and /draw/? Doesn't it motivate you to get better?
Don't you see the sheer amount of resources there are between the artbook and video thread?
Do you have no filters (on the site and in your head)?

Go fuck yourself, I love /ic/ and I love all the real niggas here who keep drawing.

[Anonymous No.4444839]

my computer fucking died and i cant get it repaired because of this stupid virus now i cant finish my fucking drawing

[Anonymous No.4444844]

>>4444377
It's really /beg/ dude. I know it's hard to be objective about your own drawings, trust me. It's fine as far as /beg/ goes but it's still /beg/ and you have a long road and much work ahead of you before your art will start attracting attention naturally.
Keep working hard though Anon, I believe in you.

[Anonymous No.4445259]

>>4432115
>i can finally feel the form and draw whatever I want
I'm so happy right now bros I waited for this moment for so long

[Anonymous No.4445273]

>>4444837
/alt/ is the only saving grace for this place, retard. If /alt/ wasn’t a thing, this place would only be filled /beg/ level artist. The resources don’t mean shit if you don’t know how to apply it to your art, like most of the anons here. Besides those good artist are rare to come by in this shithole.

[Anonymous No.4445274]

>haven’t drawn in weeks
>think i have adhd
>can’t afford prescription/diagnosis
>drink monster energy drink
>suddenly i just managed to concentrate and draw for almost 2 fucking hours

FEELS GREAT BOYOS

[Anonymous No.4445275]

>>4445273
What in the ever loving fuck is this /alt/ dick sucking meme.
Some people in /alt/ are fine but many of them are /beg/ level.
I think these posts are all made by butthurt /alt/ posters?

[Anonymous No.4445290]

>>4445275
Because /alt/ is pretty much the only thread that have good/decent artist.

[Anonymous No.4445368]

>>4443986
One day I'll be as good in art as you are, but you still won't be able to code, and then you'll have nothing. :)

[Anonymous No.4445540]

How 2 be me:

A guide

by me

>wake up
>draw
>"fuck this shit this drawing is awful I didn't learn anything I didn't have fun. I'm never drawing again. I'm done. For real this time."
>sleep
>start from step one again

[Anonymous No.4445579]

>>4445540
Too real. We need something more.

[Anonymous No.4445589]

>make a half decent trad sketch
>too scared to paint over it because i don't want to ruin it
never gonna make it at this rate

[Anonymous No.4445591]

>>4445589
Ruin it since you know you’ll do better anyways

[Anonymous No.4446051]

How do I become a better, happier person?

[Anonymous No.4446054]

>>4446051
Are you aware this is an art board?

[Anonymous No.4446097]

>>4446054
People draw here?

[Anonymous No.4446111]

>>4443148
Be strong and of good courage

[Anonymous No.4446179]

I bought chink shit for christmas instead of waiting for trumpbux and get a proper cintiq.

I feel robbed

[Anonymous No.4446446]

>draw what i like on social media
>get no attention
>/beg/ tier artist posts coomer/anime/fandom shit
>is showered in praise from his fellow circlejerkers
i could do the same, but it's not worth it. fuck

[Anonymous No.4446479]

>>4446446
Are you sure it's not worth it? Why do you seethe?

[Anonymous No.4446494]

>>4446479
>Are you sure it's not worth it?
there is no way i could ever enjoy drawing those things. i cannot compromise on my enjoyment of art for attention
>Why do you seethe?
i don't know anymore. i should know better than to pursue superficial validation

[Anonymous No.4446550]

>>4446446
Do you not enjoy anything from a popular Vidya/anime/etc yourself? Or want to draw a cute half naked guy or woman?

[Anonymous No.4446559]

>>4446550
i enjoy some popular things but it's not what i want to draw. i could see myself drawing a cute girl from time to time though

[Anonymous No.4446676]

I think I'm done with this place. I've been here for years and the board quality hasen't made any progress. It's all about shitposting and while its fun to read, it is no help for improvement. 4chan as a whole is an entertaining prison but /ic/ is probably one of the most depressing one. We could have work together to reach a better level and yet we chose to shit on one another. I'm not talking about harsh critiques. Although it has only became an excuse to insult people for nothing. But the whole negativity and bragging is not interesting anymore. I like this place for many reasons, and posting among people I can relate to is nice but I've reach my limit I guess. I've received a few good tips and I thank the anons who shared it with me. I feel many anons are trying their best in their current situation to make it and to support others in this journey however when they aren't destroyed by trolls, their voice simply isn't loud enough to cover crab noises. Even though I'll probably come here from time to time, I'll wait until I make it to come back and give people some guidance. See you, anons.

[Anonymous No.4446677]

Why do I always get into a drawing mood when I'm extremely sleepy

[Anonymous No.4446679]

>I only enjoy drawing if I'm actually procrastinating another important activity
How do I escape this hell hole.

[Anonymous No.4446680]

>>4446677
You stop holding yourself back.

[Anonymous No.4446694]

>>4446680
Is there a way not to hold myself back? I think the thing that holds me back the most is being afraid of my stuff looking bad in my eyes. At this moment in time I am really tired but excited, thinking about the stuff I could draw and practice. Other times I'm too fuckin' nervous to draw cause I don't wanna do bad.

[Anonymous No.4446696]

>>4446694
Walk eyes open into fear and stare back at it. Then accept that you'll do bad and do better as time goes on.

[Anonymous No.4446707]

>>4446696
Alright captain. I'm 1 year into drawing so far (not counting up the extra months that have passed by) and I feel like I need to reach a certain standard in skill for my stuff to be acceptable. Though, I didn't draw that much in my first year. At the beginning of this year I decided my new years resolution to be "draw more". I definitely noticed an improvement ever since I started to draw much more often. It gave me much more confidence in my ability to learn.

[Anonymous No.4446729]

I spend too much time browsing bad artist's blogs just to feel better about myself.

[Anonymous No.4446736]

why do people even like "fantasy art"? it's such a sickeningly unoriginal kitschy mashup of abused and rehashed concepts in the same four themes. when i look at Frank Frazetta, I get it, but is there anything less imaginative than this current year trash? take your mouth out of Tolkien's blown out weeping asshole and try something new.

[Anonymous No.4446746]

>>4446736
It lets me escape this world.

[Anonymous No.4446757]

>>4446676
I want to leave too, but it's so hard. I just can't do it.

[Anonymous No.4446794]

>draw one thing right for once in my life
>don't know how to do it again
What the fuck. Anyone know this feel?

[Anonymous No.4446795]

/overthinking-thethread

Stop living inside your heads and have some fun putting lines on paper. Or go outside. Ya'll just giving yourselves depression.

[Anonymous No.4446804]

>>4446795
How to stop?

[Anonymous No.4446816]

>>4446804
When you realise you're thinking, take a few deep breaths and calm your thinking down. Easy. You break it like any other habit like biting your nails, just notice you're doing it and take a break from doing it.

[Anonymous No.4446818]

>>4446816
Okay, then what step do I take?

[Anonymous No.4446821]

>>4446818
You'll know when you get there.

[Anonymous No.4446826]

>>4446794
on any given attempt it's a coinflip whether i draw a nicely posed human or some wildly misproportioned cylinder monster.

[Anonymous No.4446947]

>>4446794
Broken clock right twice a day, anon. Don't be fooled

[Anonymous No.4447314]

>able to work from home
>job not letting me work from home
>state governor still not issuing stay at home order

If I quit can I just claim I feared for my safety and collect unemployment because this is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4447341]

Guys I really want to be straight but I can't stop fapping to hot naked men on /hm/, please help.

[Anonymous No.4447350]

Just really sad and angry today,
not really due to drawing tho

[Anonymous No.4447441]

>want to be in relationship with another artist
>dont want to deal with constant competition

im going to die alone

[Anonymous No.4447869]

>>4447341
Stop watching porn.

[Anonymous No.4447890]

Im a absolutley shitty artist. I can't draw, i can't paint, im bad at proportions, i write decentley but only for about a paragraph before my brain goes into full shutdown mode, i can't sing, can't hold a rythm, and i just get stuck trying to learn any instrument.
And im surrounded by people who are good at all of this things, but they have absolutley nothing to say and do nothing with it. I just want something, fucking something to express myself, and all these people around me had the talent or worked themself to be a million times better than me and they do absolutley nothing with it.
If things go on as they are now im either going to kill myself or get into experimental photography

[Anonymous No.4447894]

>>4432115
I hate it when art youtubers do shit like this for attention. Stick to drawing bitches

[Anonymous No.4447895]

>>4446736
>hurr durr why do people want to depict fantastic things in unbound medium

[Anonymous No.4448026]

>>4446757
Realise this board is a shithole filled with a bunch of crabs that think they won't make it or that their method of drawing is the only way to learn art.
Get out of here now anon, and go to an art community that is focused on actually trying to get better.
I recommend a art server that's run by an advanced artist that knows their shit.

[Anonymous No.4448158]

>>4448026
Good luck finding one better than this place
You'll be crawling back like was.

[Anonymous No.4448490]

i think what pisses me off the most is you could study your hardest a whole day and get nowhere skill-wise

[Anonymous No.4448761]

>>4447894
Fuck you, that's really wholesome. Let the old man enjoy something before Corona kills him.

[Anonymous No.4448762]

>>4446676
Conceptart.org forum is goddamn dead, where else can I get critiques besides here?

[Anonymous No.4448798]

Why do I continue after all these years to never apply myself, finish something, or learn something new?
How do I pull myself out of a perpetual, self-destructive spiral where I'm never happy with my work?
Why do I keep telling myself that I'm going to quit art for good and then find myself back at square one a few days later?
I want to wake up from this nightmare.

[Anonymous No.4448879]

>another artist got cancelled and harassed into deleting his only account for "drawing cp" of animal crossing
Pic related is said cp.
I swear I'll go on a killing spree

[Anonymous No.4448891]

Talent is real and I don't have it

[Anonymous No.4448894]

>drawing some painting on procreate on my way home from work
>pretty happy with my progress, almost done with it once I get home
>hmm, it could use some finishing touches
>play around with layers a bit, not happy with the lighting
>make the stupid mistake of choosing my original layer instead of a new one
>block over half the painting with a far too big airbrush
>all covered in black
>wait no, I don't want that
>accidentally close the app (still not sure how I did that, if it was panic or it crashed)
>once I restart it, I can't undo it anymore
I was at the point of giving up.
Only barely could bring myself to half-ass the rest of the painting again.

[Anonymous No.4449002]

>just quickly looking up a ref or some inspiration before I really get drawing
>oh look, I only got distracted for 8 hours

[Anonymous No.4449013]

>>4447441

competition is a natural human instinct

[Anonymous No.4449249]

Drawing is hard I hate drawing

[Anonymous No.4449349]

>Yusuke Murata's 10 year old daughter is already better than you
how is this even fucking fair? I didn't ask to not be born with nippon genes

[Anonymous No.4449393]

>>4449349
>Nippon genes
Yeah it’s totally not because her father is an artist or anything

[Anonymous No.4449419]

Today I've realized the impact /ic/ has had on me although I've only transferred to this board a year ago, and it is much more than I have ever wanted.

I have been drawing as a hobbyist since I was a kid, and only a few years ago I've decided to take it more seriously after an ex-best friend went to an art university. I've only been self-taught and the only community I've been in was deviantArt, so although I've drawn for thousands of hours, I wasn't aware of most of the fundamentals.

Somehow, I ended up on /ic/ about a year ago and got introduced to the "starter pack". As I've never heard of almost anything shown in the courses, I was really excited to start practicing and was happy to start quickly improving. I've been going on /ic/ mostly to see if there are any cool artbooks or courses which catch my eye, but the atmosphere and seeing certain threads started to eat me from the inside.

I'm certainly not as good as I could have been at 23, however compared to my friends and people in smaller anime-centered communities, I was usually the best (I promise I'm very objective) and it made me felt like there's something I'm quite good at and it was what defined my worth as a person. At first after starting to lurk, I realized there's much more to art I haven't known about. Art has been my outlet, very surreal, messy and filled with an extreme amount of emotion. I often drew while having psychotic episodes due to schizophrenia and it made me feel like it contains "something" which can't be replicated when I'm stable and content. However, I've realized it's not what people want to see, and I won't ever be able to make any money off it and I really needed to start earning.

I've started to follow all of the courses and going out of my comfort zone, it made me improve but as I kept going on /ic/, my self-esteem kept getting lower and lower. At first it was a very healthy amount, I humbly followed others' tips and understood my lack of knowledge [1/2]

[Anonymous No.4449420]

>>4443128
same lmao

[Anonymous No.4449421]

>>4449419
But over time, it became extremely low together with my worth as a human. At first I was aware many threads were only created for the replies, but then the line has blurred.

I've started to consider myself a complete beginner, my experiences and time spent drawing stopped having a meaning. Seeing very good artists described as shit on the board made me think I must be incomparably worse, completely worthless, hopeless shit. I've started going paranoid over not drawing enough, which was healthy at first, but then became to actively destroy me as I've become convinced and obsessed over it being "too late to start" at 23 as I viewed my skills are nonexistent, as if I started to draw a week ago. My girlfriend noticed the change in my personality and was shocked of my suddenly extremely low opinion on my art, but I've repeatedly avoided the subject excusing myself with worsening depression having impact on my self-worth.

I've started to desperately plead for appreciation, abandoning my current art style and forcing myself to obsessively copy artists I thought were liked. Emotion and being unique stopped to matter, I've turned to "grinding fundamentals", began to draw anime and obsessively copy other artists who were popular and liked.

I've just finished a drawing I've been working on for dozens of hours over months as I have been sketching meanwhile, and then posted anywhere I could, for it to severely underperform and gather no more than 3 likes, while the artists I've heavily referenced who draw in the same style get hundreds or thousands. A comment on /ic/ pointing at an another drawing saying it's the only one which is decent, while getting zero feedback has done it for me, as I've been taught that no feedback = utter worthless shit, something I have never cared about years ago. I'm a suicidal wreck, I don't know what's the reason for many of us to stay here, other than self-destructive tendencies, if this board takes a serious toll on mental health.

[Anonymous No.4449432]

>>4449349
>Hanako fanart
Based. She's gonna end up as a shota fujo when she gets older tho

[Anonymous No.4449454]

>>4449349
Some of this is referenced from the manga if that makes you feel better.
>Nippon genes
Stop being such a stupid weeb and work harder

[Anonymous No.4449455]

>>4449419
My guy, /ic/ is only meant for shit posting. If you take this shithole seriously, you’ll breakdown. The best advice you will ever receive is take the books and leave this place.

[Anonymous No.4449475]

>>4449419
>>4449421
I think I'm in a similar situation as you, except I'm 25 and just started browsing /ic/ and taking fundamentals seriously recently.

Most people can't draw. People (friends and strangers) like what I make and think I deserve attention on social media, but they're a consumer audience, nor artists. I don't think I've spent time learning fundamentals the way I should have all these past years. I'm /beg/ and I need to improve. Like you I'm a hobbyist artist drawing since I was a kid. Sure I've improved over time but slowly. Things could have been different.

Getting little to no feedback sucks, but a lot of it really has to do with getting seen. /ic/ like all other places is a place where too many people want attention at once.

I'll take a look at what you've got. Post if you'd like. You can make it through anon.

[Anonymous No.4449504]

Lmao @ all you faggots with mental problems
Literally seek therapy help take your fucking meds and just shut the fuck up and draw
If you feel you won't make it just keep art as a hobby and go do something to make money
If you're venting here you not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.4449521]

>>4449504
>If you're venting here you not gonna make it
B-But Anon, you're venting here
Please don't be so defeatist

[Anonymous No.4449524]

>>4449349
God damn I wish I were Japanese

[Anonymous No.4449551]

>>4449455
Thank you anon, deep inside I know you're right. I can't believe the impact this board has on me. I've tried to leave once, but continued browsing artbook and video course threads for hidden gems, and then started browsing /alt/ as I've seen very good art and the cycle started again. Although I only browse for about 15 minutes a day, it all continues in my head for hours and when I draw, constantly obsessing whether something is "soulless" or laughably bad, "hearing" people in my head heavily criticize me when I draw and tell me it's shit, which was not happening before /ic/. I don't draw for myself anymore, but obsessively out of guilt and the need for appreciation, I think in the long run this will kill me.

At this point I think the only way is to install one of those programs for child safety, make up a long password you can't remember, blacklist the entire website and put the paper with the password on the very top of your wardrobe. Artbooks and courses aren't worth this anymore, so I will physically make myself unable to go on this board because only this method has ever worked for me.

>>4449475
I'm sorry you have been feeling the same anon, if you start to feel it is starting to seriously impact your mental health as it did with me, you should do your best to leave, many people do but it's not easy. If there's anything I've realized here, you are your best critic, and courses from very good teachers like Vilppu and Huston and their videos where they give criticism to other people will be enough. Many people say they just gather all the good stuff laying around /ic/ and then leave forever. I think it's the healthiest.

Thank you, anon, I have hope I'll become at peace with myself once I leave, and I'll do it by force after sending the reply, because otherwise I know I won't do it, if not now then never. In the pic there's a bit of my art I've valued the most, I've had an entire long series but most of it wasn't fit to be displayed publicly, [1/2]

[Anonymous No.4449554]

So I only have it physical. It's mostly from two years ago. The right one is the embarrassment I've mentioned, it's not art, but I hoped people would find it beautiful and appealing. I really need money, so I tried to do exactly what people wanted and I failed. Like other anons I also really wish I was liked and appreciated, I wish people liked me, cared about me and looked up to me, I wish I was needed. I hope you like the ones on the left at least a bit, because it's all filled with my emotion during psychosis, and I wouldn't be able to replicate them, the one on the very left got accidentally destroyed and it was difficult for me.

>>4449504
You're right, it's easy to get caught up in venting for hours each day and wasting your life doing nothing, so I will physically forbid myself from going on this website and hope in a few weeks or months I can draw without fear and guilt again.

I've talked to a few really good guys here, so it's hard, but I'm happy for every one of you who is leaving, and I genuinely hope you'll be happy with where you've gone in future.

[Anonymous No.4449561]

>>4436340
what's your job,exactly? the design job

[Anonymous No.4449565]

>>4449554
>anime poster is actually crazy
Damn it.

[Anonymous No.4449607]

>>4449554
I especially like the left drawings anon. I think this is what makes drawing and art truly interesting, to visualize a state of mind, that you'd struggle to communicate with words alone.

And godspeed anon. It's 100% the right move to leave this place. Whenever I manage to leave for a couple months and then look up the page once, I immediately am struck by the hostility and negativity of this place and am in disbelief why you'd ever do this to yourself.
But just one post, then stay around to wait for replies and I'm kind of sucked in again.

[Anonymous No.4449755]

>>4449554
Leave /ic/ for a while, try to have an active lifestyle. It really helps. Go out and sit at some cafe, draw people. Once you change the mindset, everything gets better.

[Anonymous No.4449846]

>>4449755
>Go out and sit at some cafe, draw people.
are you trying to get him killed

[Anonymous No.4449880]

>>4449846
After the corona ofc

Also keep drawing from life whenever you can, to this day all the good artists I know draw from life as well, you can actually see if the art made by someone feels like they draw from life or if they only stay at home doing digital art and drawing only from books and images

[Anonymous No.4449936]

>>4449504
>be socially retarded autist
>because of no social contact in years lost all of my emotions
>easiest way to draw now is either not to think about drawing or to multitask while drawing, whistling, listening to music and watching youtube at the same time
>only thing that keeps me going is drawing

[Anonymous No.4450147]

Stopped drawing coom art almost 3 years ago. I made a clean Twitter where I posted my art from then on but follower, like and RT gains are abysmally low eventhough I pump out 10x the content compared to back then. I'm really debating whether I should start drawing coom again or not. I'm at a point where my distaste for it is lower than the pain of not making any progress.

[Anonymous No.4450355]

>>4449421
pyw

[Anonymous No.4450998]

drawing boxes and ellipses and grids and shit is so tedious and so fucking demotivating when it looks bad because it's like
>can't even draw a fucking circle I should just kill myself
im still gonna finish this scott robertson chapter though just need to vent. damn i feel better already

[Anonymous No.4451776]

>>4432130
/ic/ are the incels of art

[Anonymous No.4451849]

>>4448879
Proof that Nindendofags are insufferable. He has drawn actual loli/shota porn before so it's very funny they cancelled him for this.

[Anonymous No.4451987]

>>4448879
Wew this is super cute.

[Anonymous No.4452116]

>someone requests art from me, says they're willing to pay
>feel bad trying to undervalue the craft and do it for free
>feel bad asking for money for my shitty art