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4431032 No.4431032 [Reply] [Original]

Why are all drawing manuals and books so awful across the board without fail?

I've went through heaps of them and still had to piece together the WHY of the fundamentals myself, when being told why at the start would've made things so much faster.

>> No.4431043

>>4431032
Share your wisdom anon, we could make this an interesting and worthwhile thread.

>> No.4431046

What manuals have you read? I can understand things like Bridgman being more confusing (even I don't really grasp it), but stuff like Hampton was more obvious because it's broken part-by-part.

>> No.4431050

You can read many books on ping pong, piano and chess but you're getting nowhere without thousands of hours of practice

>> No.4431114

Maybe you’re just literally fucking retarded anon
Maybe you are just really fucking bad at learning this thing you want to learn
Wowee jeeze what an implausible idea

>> No.4431125

>>4431032
If you try to explain literally everything you end up with a lot longer read and more room for confusion. If your having problems just take a video course.

>> No.4431135

>>4431114
If op’s pic is his I bet he’s better than you faggot.

>> No.4431143

>>4431135
that's tf2 concept art lmao

>> No.4431150

>>4431032
>it's hard to process what your eyes see
>here are techniques to keep your brain from filtering out all the information
>it's hard to keep a drawing internally consistent if you just go at it
>here are ways to maintain consistency
it should be self evident, or why did you even open a book in the first place?

>> No.4431169

>ive read all the best books about strength training, why am i still a weak faggot? the books must be really bad!

>> No.4431265

>>4431143
Tf2?

>> No.4431274

>>4431032
the only source of knowledge is experience.

>> No.4431295

>>4431265
This artist is called tf2. Blame his parents.

>> No.4431423

look up Vanderpoel book on anatomy.

>> No.4431474

Try to explain your newfound wisdom to somebody else.
Realize that most things that seem to stem from a single insight are actually built on a broad foundation, and that insight is just the tipping point.
Realize that most people will not value your specific insight, and they will instead feel that some other seemingly irrelevant or obvious detail is the key to everything.
Give up on teaching, it is a fools game. Worthwhile students will seek knowledge for themselves.

>> No.4431562

>>4431032
Its not the books fault, its your lack of comprehension.

>> No.4431566

>>4431265
team fortress

>> No.4431587

>>4431032
Because the majority of the people here fell for the "fundies" con. This isn't biology, or math, nobody is meant to collect knowledge through books in order to draw, drawing is the most intuitive of all fine arts, even musicians need to know some theory while drawing is 100% empirical

>> No.4431615

>>4431587
No, you’re supposed to collect knowledge and repeat everything you’ve learned and are learning. Intuition is nothing without knowledge to back it up. The greats like leyndecker, Sargent or Rubens wouldn’t be nearly as good if it wasn’t for the education and knowledge passed on to them. But I mean if you think you’ll get somewhere throwing shit at a canvas, then do what you want.

>> No.4431770

>>4431615
I have found evidence of the opposite. Artists who don't even know what the words perspective or Loomis mean, and yet they paint as gracefully as the ancient masters or better.

>> No.4431773

>>4431587
what's it been like, living an entire life and being allowed on the internet when you didn't get enough oxygen at birth

>> No.4431778

>>4431773
With a grammar like yours, you should know

>> No.4431781

>how to draw.
>first make a stick man.
>draw some shapes that look like a body over it, I dunno.
>*slap*
>BOOM!
>you got yourself a person.
Only art book I’ve seen that helps is a Spider-Man one that actually goes into detail on how they do it, plus some skylines, buildings, and other shit.

>> No.4431782

>>4431778
nice comeback very convincing okay I'm glad you proved you're not a fucking retard lol
wash your hands to keep the corona at bay and think of me telling you how absolutely fucking retarded you are

the absolute bottom of the barrel sort that has no clue what drawing is all about and yet feels the need to share their opinion on it

suck on it

choke on it

>> No.4431784

>>4431032
I feel like learning the fundamentals has to do with deconstructing what makes reality look good. Composition and color theory strike me as attempts to break down what really makes things look good. Light, forms, and perspective are concerned about making things look grounded in reality. We all intuitively feel more impressed by a master painting than a child's scribbles, maybe those three fundamentals were created by deconstructing reality.

>> No.4431808

>>4431782
>absolute retard can't even write
>thinks he can draw

>> No.4431809

>>4431781
t. Ethan Becker

>> No.4431818

>>4431770
Please share these artist who don’t know the fundamentals but paint as gracefully as master...
If you don’t need the fundamentals then you should be able to get any job you want.

>> No.4431980

>>4431587
Sure, if you want to draw on the technical level of the Ancient Egyptians.

>> No.4432000

Those who can't do, teach. All the really good artists are busy actually working and being successful in their chosen field. The hacks that /ic/ worships are mediocre artists that couldn't make it, so they had to resort to peddling nonsense to beginners to stay afloat.
Fundamentals are also a meme. 90% of professional artists wouldn't even be able to tell you who Loomis is, and they never grinded boxes.

>> No.4432002

>>4431032

drawing is a language

drawing manuals are written by people who can draw therefore only people who can draw can read them

after I learned how to draw I went back through some of these manuals and finally "saw" what they were trying to tell me

>> No.4432015

>>4431032
Don't you talk shit about those books you piece of shit loser. It's not their fault you're so useless. Fucking retard.

>> No.4432017

>>4432002
Exactly. The more I draw the better I understand them.

>> No.4432300

>>4431782
not him but ur butthurt

>> No.4432511

>>4431265
Tfue2 it's his prank channel

>> No.4432526

>>4431781
This. so MUCH.

Drawing comics the marvel way... but also Tadashi osawa cover it.

>> No.4432527

>>4431809
What about him? Does he talk about stick figurrs in his videos?

>> No.4432570
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4432570

All those video courses, books and things like that that claim will give you insight and knowledge about how to draw are only showing you HALF, if that much, of the things that you actually need. It is hypocrasy at its finest; people who already have all the background necessary and know what they are doing teaching you half assed methods instead of showing you the same things they learned that enabled them to get to the level they are right now. Like some guy above said, it is only after you, god knows how and god knows after how many years, manage to learn a few things here and there, that you can comeback and see where all those tutorials are comming from and can put all the pieces of that ''knowledge" into work.

>that is what fundamentals are for
>you are retarded

How many tutorials, books, videos have you seen where those masters teach you, per example, how to make a correct ellipse but when you actually find out the whole process you will think to yourself ''if only he had show me all this before....'', hell even how to make a proper cube in perspective. How many books, videos, tutorials, per example, have you seem that explained to you something as basics as tangents when drawing, then your composition is all sorts of fucked up and you have no idea why. Comming here asking why will get you a ''loomis'' response. You can clearly see people like Huston, Vilppu, Gnass to name a few teaching you something but already putting layers uppon layers of things into it that if you have no idea it will look very simple but when you try to do it the results are very much different.. I wonder why. Then they will say things like ''just feel it''.

>> No.4433107

>>4431474

This needs to be sticky'ed.

>> No.4433368

>>4431587
imagine falling for this bait