Let's feel better about all this, what's even harder to learn than drawing?

[Anonymous No.4422603]

I'd say a very difficult language like Japanese. Thank God I don't have to learn that

[Anonymous No.4422617]

>>4422603
learning to drive at least i wont die if i fuck up

[Anonymous No.4422628]

>>4422617
you fucking up learning to drive is you slightly bumping on a cone or a wall. Don't be a pussy.

[Anonymous No.4422636]

>>4422603
I self-studied japanese seriously for about a year and now I can read visual novels and play games in japanese without much diffuculty.
I've been drawing every day for 7 years and I'm still /beg/ tier.

[Anonymous No.4422637]

>>4422628
not if u fuck up while driving on the highway. Or even those busy intersections. I want to drive for the love of me to, but the anxiety of potentially getting into and accident keeps me from actually doing it

[Anonymous No.4422638]

>>4422617
you'll never make it to nascar with that downie attitude

ngmi

[Anonymous No.4422639]

>>4422636
Dont want to be that guy, but can i see an example of one of your drawings? Be it even a 5 minute doodle of something. Anything. You can't still be /beg if you've been drawing 7 years.

[Anonymous No.4422649]

>>4422639
Anon, there literally /beg/s here that been drawing for 5+ years and still look like shit.

[Anonymous No.4422654]

cooking

Think about it. You can "make it" immediately, all you really have to do is follow instructions. But to make something new and delicious sounds impossible to me. In fact, a lot of the foods we eat were made totally accidentally, or out of necessity, or as a culmination of many generation's minor contributions. There was no master chef who invented cheese. Who could come have up with sushi?

[Anonymous No.4422655]

>>4422636
pyw

[Anonymous No.4422656]

>>4422638
post your driving

[Anonymous No.4422658]

>>4422603
Sorry dude, Japanese is an easy language to learn. Try again.

[Anonymous No.4422660]

>>4422636
>7 years
>still beg
how.

[Anonymous No.4422666]

>>4422617
Virgin detected.

[Anonymous No.4422670]

>>4422666
incel but close enough

[Anonymous No.4422673]

>>4422639
>>4422655
>>4422639
>symbol drawing
>can't draw hands or feet at all, don't really know how to draw any muscle or body part
>don't know the first about color theory and coloring/rendering in general
>still don't know how to draw things in perspective accurately
>can't figure out how to make a pose balanced
>any time I try to finish a drawing it's le 2/3 view anime girl
I have no idea how I've been drawing for so long without learning anything yet I went from knowing no japanese to being able to read novels in less than a year

[Anonymous No.4422678]

>>4422673
did you try drawabox?

[Anonymous No.4422679]

>>4422603
learning japanese is easy as fuck
unlike drawing you can actually learn japanese from a book, just get genki 1 + 2, read through all the chapters and do all the homework, review your vocab and kanji every day and bam by the end you'll have learned simple japanese, move on to the next books to become fluent

meanwhile with drawing, i've read loomis, robertson, hampton, bridgman, none of them have any fucking exercises so i just draw along with the books, and by the end what do you know i've just copied a bunch of naked men and i haven't learned jack shit and i'm still terrible
drawabox is the only drawing tutorial ive seen that has actual exercises and homework, but of course it's the most retarded shit like draw 10000 cubes because yes that's definitely going to help me in drawing complex forms and vehicles and humans, fuck.

[Anonymous No.4422690]

>>4422673
Can you share your method of self-studying Japanese? I’d like to try.

[Anonymous No.4422695]

>>4422673
lol if this is your drawing. It isn't that bad at all. 7 years is a long time, and sheesh drawing everyday too. That's a commitment. I wouldn't say you're /beg though. I think you should be more happy about your drawings.

[Anonymous No.4422699]

>>4422656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOM0BgaQwDs&t=320s
5:00 for my highlight reel.

[Anonymous No.4422707]

>>4422654
isn't that also true for drawing? also music and all other forms of audio-visual art. you can't create from nothing. you get inspired by things that already exist and work around their limitations, exaggerate their features or remix them with other things

[Anonymous No.4422712]

>>4422673
better than 90% of /ic/

[Anonymous No.4422714]

>>4422673
Not bad, but Bad for 7 years in the game

[Anonymous No.4422715]

>>4422636
>>4422673
>knows Japanese and draws this good
Reee, share your power level.

[Anonymous No.4422762]

>>4422679
genki 2 will only take you to n4

[Anonymous No.4422770]

>>4422603
I can't think of anything. Creative writing is kind of similar in that it is very difficult to teach, and thus very difficult to learn if you don't find it intuitive. I think it involves a lot fewer sub-skills, though.

I think you have to get into very obscure stuff or ridiculous feats in order to actually find anything as difficult as drawing. Learning the Navajo language is supposed to be nearly impossible for anyone who wasn't constantly exposed to it growing up, and I imagine that learning to play the violin with your dick while juggling chainsaws might be a bit harder than drawing.

[Anonymous No.4422774]

>>4422707
You could easily make a catchy little tune from a specific genre, but with cooking making a new food requires you to understand the spices, the ingredients, and what they compliment. How would you make a new Indonesian food? There is new stuff like cronuts or burrito + X, but that doesn't compare to a dish like curry. Just my opinion

[Anonymous No.4422809]

>>4422603
Surgery

[Anonymous No.4422815]

>>4422603
Japanese is one of the easiest languages to learn and speak, retard.

[Anonymous No.4422823]

>>4422637
I'm working through this issue as well. Just stay in your lane and obey the rules of the road and you'll be fine.

That being said art is leaps and bounds harder than driving. There is waaaaay more to being a good artist than being a good driver.

[Anonymous No.4422894]

>>4422815
go-men-nuh-say!!!!

[Anonymous No.4422940]

>>4422679
>drawabox is the only drawing tutorial ive seen that has actual exercises and homework, but of course it's the most retarded shit like draw 10000 cubes because yes that's definitely going to help me in drawing complex forms and vehicles and humans
That's literally true

[Anonymous No.4422945]

Only things harder than drawing would be painting, sculpting, and hand-drawn animation.

[Anonymous No.4423127]

>>4422636
can you tell me what you kind of did to learn japanese? Is there any resources you recommend besides youtube vids?

[Anonymous No.4423141]

>>4422815
Yes, but it's one of the hardest to read and write, which are far more useful than speaking unless you actually live in Japan.

[Anonymous No.4423146]

>>4423127
Not him but these are a bunch of resources and guides that get shared around on /jp/
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.4423239]

>>4422603

drawing is easy.
its lines and/or patches of light, medium ,dark.

its a technical skill.

being creative and coming up with appealing original shit is the hard part... but neither have to do with drawing.

[Anonymous No.4423247]

>>4422603
If you were stranded in nipland for 2 years you'd come out of it with a decent understanding of nipponese.
Now how long have you been stuck on /ic/?

[Anonymous No.4423263]

>>4423247
Not if you don't interact as much with japanese. Plus there are people in there that work as translators in places like hospitals. You'll learn the basic to survive there, but decent japanese only with some effort.
A lot of dekasegis for example only know the bare essential to not starve to death and be able to work, and most don't even know more than 30 kanjis.

[Anonymous No.4423290]

>>4422660
Not him, but in the same situation. The thing is that I don't eeven want to make it that much, I just like to draw when I have some free time.

[Anonymous No.4423311]

>>4422603
>what's even harder to learn than drawing?

By /ic/ standards you only "make it' in art when you live by doing it. Following this same principle I would say being a pro athlete is much much harder, you can always start to draw at your late 20's and still make money latter in life, you can take long breaks in art and go back to it without having to start from zero, but if you want to live from running, boxing, or whatever you better start from childhood, never stop and have the body for it.

[Anonymous No.4423319]

>>4422617
I feel this, my anxiety is too bad to drive. if you think drawing is harder than driving you’re a normie, and that’s not a bad thing either. I envy normal brains that don’t care about politics or art and can just ducking drive and go wherever they want and function.

[Anonymous No.4423325]

>>4422637
dude, just drive

[Anonymous No.4423687]

>>4422617
>>4423319
I'm 25 and i still can't drive, I've renewed my learners permit 3 times already and have yet to drive on an actual road

drawing is hard but at least i won't die from a mistake

[Anonymous No.4424364]

>>4423319
this.

[Anonymous No.4424391]

>>4422603
Becoming fit after being obese and keeping the weight off
Constant fucking temptation. Slip a little bit and 20 pounds magically reappear before you get your head back on straight.

[Anonymous No.4424489]

>>4423319
>>4422617
>>4423687
Holy shit you are pathetic. If you guys look outside you'll realize there are old people with average IQs driving manual cars around. And being afraid doesn't mean you're smarter. I care about politics and art and I drive cars and bikes. It's a human activity like cooking or writing.

[Anonymous No.4424491]

>>4422603
Writing a symphony.

[Anonymous No.4424954]

>>4424391
But that's completely straightforward, With drawing, you're in a hazy maze, only moving forward because of God's mercy.

[Anonymous No.4424959]

>>4422636
Same, though it`s been much longer since I learned Japanese and started drawing (over a decade ago for both).
I can read and write advanced Japanese at a native level and speed but still can`t draw.

[Anonymous No.4425246]

>>4422636
>>4422679
>>4424959
Fucking hell, should we start a club?
Add me to the list, learned the Japongo in a couple years and still commit /beg/ mistakes on a daily basis when drawing.

Time to learn Japanese (N1) from scratch for a monolingual person: 2500 hours.
Time to learn how to draw just the basic human figure: 9999999999999999999999999999999999 hours.

Besides, learning drawing is way more "active" than learning languages, you can't just watch 300 episodes of Loomis and practice your eyes, you have to burn through dozens of pencils. And I'm too (un?)autistic to endure the repetitiveness of the grind. MMOs never managed to get me addicted while all my friends tried to go for level 999.

[Anonymous No.4425252]

>>4422603
I'm learning to speak mandarin, it's fucking hard but nowhere near as hard as learning to draw and paint well.

[Anonymous No.4425256]

>>4422679
>drawabox is the only drawing tutorial ive seen that has actual exercises and homework, but of course it's the most retarded shit like draw 10000 cubes because yes that's definitely going to help me in drawing complex forms and vehicles and humans, fuck.
This is like saying beginner Japanese books only teach you retarded shit like stroke order and katakana. Obviously you don't go into Japanese learning how to read ancient novels or some shit.

[Anonymous No.4425261]

>>4425256
This makes no sense. The complaint was about exercises, not the type of content.
Learn English before commenting on Japanese.

[Anonymous No.4425264]

>>4425261
It does make sense, practising stroke order or katakana is not different than drawing cubes. If you think 1000 is too much, no one is holding a fucking gun to your head, just move on when you've had enough.

[Anonymous No.4425267]

>>4422603
I know it can be frustrating, but honestly most of it is just not being afraid of drawing. There's not just a how, but a why. Different art is tailored for different purposes with thousands of styles and aesthetics. There is no correct way to art, just as there are no mistakes only happy accidents.

[Anonymous No.4425281]

>>4425264
筆順を習っても書くのにしか助からないので語弊はやめましょう。アノンが明らかに問題は基本的なコンセプトしかチュートリアルに宿題が出てこないということに悩んでいる。Drawaboxに効き目があるかどうかのは焦点ではない。カピーシ?

[Anonymous No.4425284]

>>4425281
If you seriously think that all of the homework in Drawabox is cubes then you literally haven't even got past the first several lessons.

[Anonymous No.4426060]

>>4422603
In terms of art I think the hardest process is probably claymation

[Anonymous No.4426066]

>>4425281
No capiche, me no speakerino japarino. Translaterino per favore