Are u grinding Anon?

[Anonymous No.4395861]

[Anonymous No.4395868]

>>4395861
No, I started out with grinding and it made me hate drawing. I haven't done a real "exercise" in 3 years, but I think I'm starting to be ready for that again. Never take advice on a studying schedule from /ic/ and don't mindlessly grind, just study things you need for something specific instead of studying for the sake of studying.

[Anonymous No.4395873]

thoughtful grinding is hard and painful, so much easier to just mindlessly grind

[Anonymous No.4395874]

People in here grind without using it as a tool to create the image in the mind. Stop blaming fundies and blame your own philosophy.

[Anonymous No.4395879]

>>4395861
I don’t get how someone like Rapoza was able to become an artist. He didn’t seem particularly smart or anything. I mean the guy got sacked for stealing.

[Anonymous No.4395943]

>>4395861
what the fuck does that even mean?

[Anonymous No.4395951]

>>4395879
artist doesn't need smart.
art is a glorified craftman skill.
Cavemen were drawing before they even now how to speak or build a fucking wheel.

[Anonymous No.4395960]

>>4395943
>1-2 hour of studying perspective, color theory, anatomy (whatever you're having trouble with)
>apply what you learned to personal work, with some success or little success
>rinse and repeat in a way that keeps drawing fun and encourages a habit

[Anonymous No.4396216]

>>4395879
This >>4395951
The technical side of art isn't so mystical, anyone can learn barring mental retardation I believe given the right learning resources and dedicated practice. The field of drawing is really quite logical and practical, it's just surrounded by a lot of mystique and there's a lot of bad advice and instruction floating around that gets in the way of the real stuff.

Honestly, him being 'not that smart' is probably why I like Rapoza so much. He's not a genius but he's fun, relateable, and down to earth even though he's really good at what he does. He draws all the dumb stuff that he likes to draw and isn't even remotely pretentious. I mean, he's drawing this absolutely vulgar and retarded Garfield parody right now and I love him for it because it's just so gosh darned stupid.

[Anonymous No.4396265]

>>4396216
Get off his dick anon

[Anonymous No.4396268]

Just started grinding this week hopefully can keep up on it

[Anonymous No.4396296]

>>4395861
Pretty much what dave said
https://youtu.be/VhG7DENh-uk
>>4395943
see here

[Anonymous No.4396625]

>>4396265
Never

[Anonymous No.4396652]

>>4396216
Your point makes sense, I managed to understand the fundamentals in a matter of months rather than years. I even think it is possible to be able to apply the fundamentals in a matter of days.

[Anonymous No.4396865]

>>4395868
Yeah, I started taking art really seriously and aimed for 2+ hours today regardless of how I felt and I started to hate it. Might have burnt out.

Not sure it means I'm cut out for it, or I'm just a lazy fuck.

[Anonymous No.4397041]

>>4396865
>2+ hours
>Might have burnt out
>Taking art seriously

Definitely not cut out for it. Shit man, what are you expecting if you have no passion for experimentation and learning?
You'll be doing that stuff throughout your whole artistic life, even after spending a hundred hours getting a grasp on your basic fundies. You have to be in a constant state of trying to improve if you want your skills to go anywhere, or if you ever want to be genuinely proud of something you make even for a few moments

[Anonymous No.4397053]

I personally feel like using zero reference is a big mistake in any professional piece.

[Anonymous No.4397054]

>>4397041
Post art? Genuinely curious. What kind of stuff do you enjoy drawring anon?

[Anonymous No.4397065]

>>4395868
fpbp

[Anonymous No.4397067]

>>4395868
I could only invest myself for grinding after mindlessly drawing for fun for many years, and even now I spend a lot of time drawing for fun and working from imagination. I have a hard time believing many people can just start grinding, following something like the aguri guide, and become pro-tier mainly because I don't think many people can force themselves to do such rote, mindless studies over a long term and effectively learn from them. Alternating drawing for fun with grinding my problem areas, then applying those studies is most effective imho.

[Anonymous No.4397319]

You are delusional if you think Dave is not smart, there is more to him than what he gives out. Judge him by his results not by his banters. Try with any luck to paint or draw like he does and you will see it yourself, it takes much more than simple advice, or practice. It looks easy but its not.

[Anonymous No.4397323]

>>4397053
why would you use zero refs for a professional piece? are you braindead? stop falling for dumb /ic/ memes and use photos, 3d and photobashing for professional work

[Anonymous No.4397395]

>>4396865
2 hours is not a lot.

[Anonymous No.4397407]

>>4397067
This to infinity and beyond.
Drawing just has to be a thing you do, a habit, the way you express yourself. Exploring and learning should be enjoyable and engrossing even if it does get frustrating sometimes.
That doesn't mean don't improve or self-crit, but an attitude of "I'll keep drawing anyway, whether I'm good or not" coupled with strong, healthy self-criticism and desire to learn is what will ultimately determine whether you make it or not. Minimizing the discouragement that keeps you from drawing and maximizing the incentive that keeps you doing it.

[Anonymous No.4397431]

Then you have those guys who doesn't even study and sits at the top of the food chain.

[Anonymous No.4397433]

>>4397431
Post example

[Anonymous No.4397447]

>>4397431
They have all studied at one point or another, it's not magic.

[Anonymous No.4397465]

Retarded advice.

How to git gud at drawing in 5 easy steps
1. draw something
2. identify the parts that look like shit
3. (optional pro tier master strategy) do research to learn why those parts look like shit and how to draw them properly
4. draw it again but do something different than last time
5. repeat until none of it looks like shit

That's not grinding. Theoretically, you could draw ONE piece and then study it closely enough and with enough focus that the second piece you draw is perfect. Of course that's not going to happen because drawing covers so much ground that no one piece contains all the skills required and so no one piece can reveal everything you're shit at.

The higher your IQ, the faster you'll be able to identify what looks like shit and why it looks like shit and you'll be faster at identifying the fixes - so, consequently, the less practice you need to put in. This is what people mean by "talent" most of the time. Most people aren't talented, they're just smart - and would be good at pretty much anything they do.

[Anonymous No.4397466]

>>4397431
Keep finding excuses, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.4397475]

I want to grind but my life is so shit right now I have little motivation

[Anonymous No.4397499]

>>4397475
Same. I just really want to get better fast and get out of this shithole cage that I'm living.
>Father thinks I'm his retirement plan
>Suicide thoughts
>Social Anxiety
>Seeing your mother sad everyday
>Can't even treat my little sister to an amusement park
It motivates me to grind but sometimes that dread leaks out and it leaks out fucking hard.

[Anonymous No.4397502]

I'm unironically going to start tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.4397512]

>>4395861
> grinding
> do this for years

If you have to spend years learning basics then your way of learning sucks ass you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.4397516]

>>4397065
That picture is right. Every day you should be analysing. Even if you're not drawing you should be looking at things and thinking about what works and what doesn't.

[Anonymous No.4397530]

>>4396268
Good Luck, anon
I belive in you!

[Anonymous No.4397566]

>>4397512
pyw

[Anonymous No.4397567]

>>4395868
> mindlessly grind
The OP pic really says to do grinding for a really limited part of the day and applying right after that. If you have little time, then just make the fundies part smaller, like 1/4 of your total time drawing.

[Anonymous No.4397818]

>>4397475
So this is the kind of face Asukafag is striving for

[Anonymous No.4397928]

>>4397431
Who?

[Anonymous No.4397955]

>>4397512
he said the key is developing discipline, for years.

which is true. you can git gud in 1-3 years, but you need to keep working on discipline your whole life if you don't want to stagnate

[Anonymous No.4398227]

>>4397065
based and manga pilled.

[Anonymous No.4399119]

>>4397499
Make your family proud of you anon!

[Anonymous No.4400693]

>>4395873
Lol

[Anonymous No.4401482]

>draw/paint fundamentals for 1hr to 2hrs everyday
what are your go-to excercises

[Anonymous No.4401510]

2 hours a day doesn't sound like grinding

[Anonymous No.4401513]

>>4401510
2 hours of grinding and then draw from imagination the rest of the day while critically analyzing mistakes.
That ratio isn't gospel, my point is he's not twlling you to only draw for 2 hours.

[Anonymous No.4401514]

>>4401513
If you wanna be a professional, what else are you going to do?

[Anonymous No.4401516]

>>4401514
What?

[Anonymous No.4401517]

>>4401516
what are you not getting
if you wanna make it, of course you should be doing this most of your day

[Anonymous No.4401518]

>>4401517
Sure, if you have no other obligations then yes. Some of us have day jobs though.

[Anonymous No.4401519]

>>4395861
Kinda
Over the past few days Ive started picking a picture from my evergrowing folder of refs and actually copying them instead of just hoarding them to never use them

[Anonymous No.4401988]

>>4397475
>>4397499
find a minimum wage work right now, that will teach you the real value of time and money ( you can believe you have it already but before doing a shitty job for a shitty pay, you doesn't know the real value of time and money )
Buy some shit for your family
Get back home
Listen to lynyrd skynyrd simple man on repeat
Grind everyday whithout frustration believing deep down that you'll make it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88lSZ4j8TIE

[Anonymous No.4402159]

>>4397475
I would need both of my hands to strangle her long neck

[Anonymous No.4402171]

>>4395861
No art already makes me want to die grinding is like wanting to die^2

[Anonymous No.4402203]

>>4401988
>Listen to lynyrd skynyrd simple man on repeat
I'm not a mangina cuckold, sorry

[Anonymous No.4402205]

>>4402171