/TRAD/ Traditional General

[Anonymous No.4377496]

Post paintings, drawings, pastels, sculptures, or any other art done in physical media for critique, or questions about making traditional art, etc.

THIS IS NOT an inspiration thread, this is your own work that you've done.

[Anonymous No.4377541]

>>4377496
Anyone have any watercolor resources, whether books or YouTube, that they have found useful? Sometimes I feel like I'm getting it and then just regress to shit.

[Anonymous No.4377571]

>>4377541
I cant recommend any resourced, but what might get you loosened up is working in ink washes for a little bit. Really the more practice you have in any medium in greyscale the better you'll be once you move to color. I'd say 70% of all work you do should be in grey, black, and white.

[Anonymous No.4377596]

>>4377571
Thanks, something I've struggled with is identifying the base value of colors when working in monochrome. I think it's something I really need to do considering you're not the first to tell me that.

[Anonymous No.4377610]

>>4377571
As I dont have any loose ink currently (just pocket brush), do you think theres still value in doing the exercise with neutral tinted or some other color?
If using another color, should I just be using the same color with increasing opacity or add tint for the darks? I ask because I've read advice against the latter but I have trouble getting deep darks without it.
Disregard if I'm being too spoonfeedmeey. I just dont want to be waiting time when I paint.

[Anonymous No.4377651]

>>4377610
you'll get the same practice using a Prussian blue or burnt umber watercolor, as long as you can get close to a full value range out of it.

[Anonymous No.4377914]

so tired of painting this but I think its done

[Anonymous No.4377939]

>>4377914
pretty nice - thumbnail looks aesthetic

[Anonymous No.4378064]

Do Amawus come in here?

[Anonymous No.4378284]

Been trying to do more plein air painting since I can easily paint at home but everything I know seems to go out the window when I'm on location. This is done with gouache, took about 2hrs.

[Anonymous No.4380643]

>>4378284
>>4377541
gotta paint them shadow shapes. check out Don Andrews.

last session with this, tied it back together better than I thought I would. Still a lot of stuff I need to learn to deal with though.

[Anonymous No.4381238]

>>4380643
might have to repaint that hand that's resting on her legs, it's a bit small. I'd recommend drawing it out first on paper to get a plan together before you execute on any changes.

[Anonymous No.4381245]

>>4380643
colors really pop on it, I think the bright areas are kind of overpowering the shadows on the woman though, you need to try to desaturate the shadows a bit more, because everything on her body is a color right now, there's nothing receding in space, it's all jumping forward.

here's a high res version of >>4377914
with some slight changes to the outline of her body, the roses, and the sky

[Anonymous No.4381366]

>>4381238
yeah that hand is fucked. it was in a different position during the block-in than for the entire rest of the time, and I wound up just spending my time working up other areas instead of trying to fix the hand.

>>4381245
thankee bruv. I'll take that under consideration next time. I'm pretty new with oil & color so I'm flying by the seat of my pants a little, just trying to make sure I get values and form correct and otherwise relatively ignoring color as long as it's in the ballpark.

[Anonymous No.4381439]

>>4381366
>it was in a different position during the block-in than for the entire rest of the time
something that helps for that is thinking of the moved body part in terms of the symbols for it if you have to repaint it. Visualize the word "Hand" or "Fingers" while you paint it, because you've already painted the hand from reference, so you theoretically know how to paint a hand from imagination as well. That information is in you, you just need to trick yourself into manifesting it on the canvas.

Here's a quick figure drawing I did today using that method, the actually trick is to visualize the symbols of what you are drawing or painting while you are drawing or painting it. So if you're looking at a knee, you internalize the word "knee" and put your whole energy into painting a "knee" as you know it. A lot of figure drawing is self-evident, and requires a slight amount of thinking to bring that knowledge to the surface.

[Anonymous No.4382014]

did a figure drawing

[Anonymous No.4382021]

work from the last few days

[Anonymous No.4382057]

>>4377496
Anyone who wants to be taken seriously and have people share their work MUST state they are not fucking Happyboy and will NOT upload the art to Youtube or anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.4382270]

drew this today

[Anonymous No.4382271]

>>4382270
Forgot the pic lol

[Anonymous No.4383158]

acrylic and ink

[Anonymous No.4385362]

I'm trying to figure out the difference between Professional and Student grade paint, especially when it comes to white.
What is it when it comes to white? I'd love a tub of cheap white.

[Anonymous No.4385395]

>>4385362
Student grade have less pigment quality.

[Anonymous No.4385411]

>>4385395
i don't know what that means in regards to titanium white, or maybe even in general

[Anonymous No.4385946]

>>4385362
depends on the brand. could be they use only their cheap pigments, like giving you hues instead of cadmiums and cobalts. could be they use cheap pigments and as much filler as they can get away with.

[Anonymous No.4386501]

>>4385362
what medium?

also, don't buy student grade paint. Seriously just don't waste your money. You can use student grade paint, and a master could come up with something solid, but everything that you're imagining doing, it will feel like you've got fucking restraints on.

[Anonymous No.4386523]

>>4382057
Rent free

[Anonymous No.4386607]

>>4385362
>>4385395
I had a tbe of Winton TW oil lying around. Thought I'd try it on a large painting I was doing, fecking awful, like using acrylic-total weak and quite transparent too. Never used it again.

[Anonymous No.4386609]

mfw i stopped hating Brian cause all my hate pool was drained by the chink

[Anonymous No.4386610]

>>4386501
>>4386607
Further to this TW post of mine, often you can get away with it with earth colours. I use Michael Harding and Old Holland etc, but I often use Talens Van Gogh student range for transparent oxide red, as it's much cheaper and just as good.

[Anonymous No.4386901]

>>4386609
feels good

[Anonymous No.4387169]

>>4386609
Speak for yourself. My pool overfloweth.

[Anonymous No.4387189]

[Anonymous No.4387233]

>>4386901
idk why but the white outlines of the trees make me feel like markers were used for the rest of the painting

[Anonymous No.4388339]

>>4387189
where can i see more of your work

[Anonymous No.4388389]

>>4377914
Just fix that one rose and you're done.

[Anonymous No.4389947]

Posting to phone.

[Anonymous No.4389957]

Pencil of Nikki Bella. How to improve. I don't like it.

[Anonymous No.4390687]

>>4389957
post in /beg/

[Anonymous No.4390741]

from a photo I took in the Dales, but I'm trying to just yeet paint on the canvas quickly for plein air practice

[Anonymous No.4391197]

I’m gonna redo most of the bottom half soon.

[Anonymous No.4391862]

i decided to swatch what oil paints i have. then i liked the format and did my acrylics the same way.

[Anonymous No.4391877]

Water color critique pls

[Anonymous No.4392253]

>>4391877
shit's beautiful
hate the sky though

[Anonymous No.4392270]

>>4391197
looks like a great lightweight easel... wish Meeden was stocked in more North American stores...!

[Anonymous No.4392317]

>>4388339
Glad, you like it: https://www.instagram.com/peterscherbarthberlin/

[Anonymous No.4392322]

>>4391877
INSPIRING<3

[Anonymous No.4392676]

no trad thread is complete without one of these

[Anonymous No.4393021]

>>4386901
Comfy, I really like how you handle the colors and the brush anon, nice job

[Anonymous No.4393110]

>>4392676
did a second layer

[Anonymous No.4393181]

>>4390741
Where's the ref photo? Let's compare.

[Anonymous No.4393507]

>>4382014
This looks good and terrible at the same time

[Anonymous No.4393509]

>>4381439
This looks like a bootleg George Bridgman drawing.
Made in China

[Anonymous No.4393723]

>>4392676
And yet no-one ever wants to see these still.

[Anonymous No.4394456]

started a large portrait

[Anonymous No.4394617]

>>4394456
finished it

[Anonymous No.4394683]

>>4394456
what dimensions? also... current palette? I like how you handled the hands but not the hair.

[Anonymous No.4394688]

>>4378284
any pictures of your setup there? what palette?

[Anonymous No.4394776]

>>4394683
it's Cobalt Blue, Yellow Ochre, Quinacrodone Magenta, Indanthrone Blue, and Titanium White

[Anonymous No.4394970]

What are thoughts on watercolor pencils? I'm considering ordering some for a traditional pet portrait art business I've been setting up.

[Anonymous No.4395031]

>>4393181
here is ref. values are quite off

[Anonymous No.4395037]

>>4395031
Looking for feedback on this as well. Caillebotte study of his use of yellows, oranges, and purples.

[Anonymous No.4395041]

>>4395037
here's the ref

[Anonymous No.4395148]

>>4395037
streamlined, but likeable. I'd refine the vest and collar, make the mustache less symbolic and add those round things on the balcony ledge.

[Anonymous No.4395150]

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[Anonymous No.4395156]

>>4395037
you'll be making this warmer?

>>4395041
I like the tints of violet here.

[Anonymous No.4395355]

Posting for phone

[Anonymous No.4395869]

>>4394776
tried refining it and toning down some of the highlights back into colors

[Anonymous No.4395875]

>>4395869
I still think it needs one more layer

[Anonymous No.4395890]

watercolor done from photoreference (not my photo, found on net) as a color study

[Anonymous No.4395925]

>>4395869
ok now im happy with it

[Illastrat No.4395949]

What do u think

[Anonymous No.4395955]

>>4395925
Is that someone else's arm reaching in to grab at her, because otherwise lol. Also, what is that near where the ear should be?

[Anonymous No.4395956]

>>4395949
I think we've seen this 6 garillion times before.
Got anything new, that isn't a pop star?

[Illastrat No.4395958]

>>4395956
No

[Anonymous No.4395972]

>>4395955
THe effect is much more apparent in person, and the colors are much more muted

[Anonymous No.4395993]

>>4395949
>>4395958
if the trees and the snake were more rendered it'd be cooler

[Anonymous No.4396039]

>>4395972
off to the right one of my faves

[Anonymous No.4396045]

>>4396039
what's the best method of photographing a painting?

[Anonymous No.4396054]

>>4396045
I’m finding having space surrounding the painting, and not doing any editing to it is actually truer to what they look like

[Anonymous No.4396082]

[Anonymous No.4396083]

[Anonymous No.4396094]

>>4395949
>>4395958
loomis

[Anonymous No.4396119]

>>4394688
This is the only one I have handy rn, it's a plein air box I made myself out of a cigar box. The palette box on the left is a joybest airtight palette I got on Amazon for $10 (transon also makes an identical one for $12) and the 2 water containers are from Nalgene (bought them at a local art store).

As for the box itself, I removed the hinges on the back and replaced them with two torque hinges that can be tightened so they can hold the lid at any angle and I added a clamp on the front to keep it closed (also got it from Amazon in a pack of like 25 or something). I added 4 L shaped bracket things from Lowe's at the bottom so they can hold a piece of wood that I cut to a specific size so it can fit inside the lid of the box when it's closed. I then added a square piece of wood at the bottom of the box (on the inside, same thickness as the plank on the left) to add thickness to it so I could screw a 1/4" T Nut on the underside to screw in the quick release tripod plate. And lastly I bought a sheet of acrylic that I cut to fit the inside of the box and spray painted with matte gray paint on the back. I also glued 4 small bits of wood on the inner corners of the box, just a little shorter than the height of the bottom of the box so I can rest the acrylic palette on top of them without it sinking down.

Hope that helps!

I took inspiration from Tad Retz's plein air boxes, so you can just buy those instead of you don't feel like making one yourself, I just wanted to learn how to make them so I could have them in any size I wanted.

[Illastrat No.4396122]

>>4396094
I did use loomis for the second one

[Illastrat No.4396125]

>>4395972
That arm is horrible Brian

[Anonymous No.4396675]

This is yesterday's painting that I have begun. It really captures the mood somehow, I don't know how. I'm using a new medium to mix the oil and it will take a long time to dry in order to paint in the windswept greying hair, the mournful eyes, the wintery trees, the knap of the coat, the evergreen leaves, the asphalt road and markings. I'm happy it's how I feel and art does that sometimes.

[Anonymous No.4396679]

>>4396125
Isn't that the thing, in that it's not the arm of the immediate subject?

[Anonymous No.4396687]

>>4395972
I think it's a shame that the coloring of the backdrop isn't continued into the subjects.

[Anonymous No.4396690]

>>4395869
I think this worked better personally.

[Anonymous No.4396693]

>>4395037
Quite good, keep going.

[Anonymous No.4396694]

>>4390741
It's a really good start. The four sun beams really hold it together.

[Anonymous No.4396696]

>>4389957
Change to a softer pencil.

[Anonymous No.4396706]

>>4396679
bingo

[Anonymous No.4396716]

>>4396679
Still fucking horrible.

[Anonymous No.4396719]

>>4396716
I'm gonna call it "Ghost"

[Anonymous No.4396721]

>>4396706
:) I still think, he had it better beforehand though.

[Anonymous No.4397403]

>>4396675
It's to do with the covid-19 illness, and environmentalism and air pollution and the trees that were all cut down. That sort of thing. The modern dystopia. But it's also like that game isn't it? Borderlands. Like, we're living in fallout III already. I'm partly inspired by a Gauguin painting and it's just him in this landscape and his colors are incredible. You can see the precursor to the Nabis in it. I think he does actually mention Bonnard in his book 'ramblings of a wannabe painter' available from David Zwirner Books. I was walking up and down the high Road in my mask and people were like 'oh my God! ' from their cars and I'm like "yeah mate, here comes the plague, read the book". I thought life would get better (you remember I did the fairy painting? You bastards) now it's just International disaster after another. Have you got anything to eat?I'm bloody starving I barely made the rent. Still, staying cosy as best I can. Over.

[Anonymous No.4397996]

[Anonymous No.4397999]

You can read about this simplified palette in Jose Parramon's book on Oil Painting Techniques. You don't need Black or a Cadmium Red here, instead all of the power is concentrated in Yellow, giving you all kinds of variations.

[Anonymous No.4398003]

>>4397996
Zorn palette always seemed like a cheap way to make paintings look expensive... all those golds and silvers and bronzes, idk it just seems so outdated now

[Anonymous No.4398014]

>>4398003
Makes me think of sepia photographs, and the makeup of early silent film. I prefer Parramon's ideas.

[Anonymous No.4398018]

>>4398014
you just can't make purple, blue, and green in any meaningful way... to me it's the color palette of European skin tones, but brown and black skin is more easily recreated with blues (reflections), greens (midtones) purples (shadows) and orange/red/yellow (highlights). Without a full palette of colors that can make that spectrum you'll never be fully prepared for portraiture of any subject. If you live in Europe in the late 1800s Zorn Palette's gonna be great for your subject matter, but it's just not the reality of the world we live in now.

[Anonymous No.4398022]

>>4398018
I'm not saying this, btw, because you'll be painting a lot of black people, but black people have money, black people commission paintings, if a black person pays you to paint them and you show up with Red, Yellow, and Black paint they'll want their money back.

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[Anonymous No.4398052]

>>4398044
works if you're painting slaves I guess????? who paints black people like that

[Anonymous No.4398054]

[Anonymous No.4398294]

>>4398018
>>4398022
What a load of crapola. One of the newest acquisitions at London's Nat PG has this picture from 1839. The restrained palette works well for any skin, if you're a great artist, of course. Otherwise, take recourse in your brighter pigments, if you feel the need to be propped up.
Artist, William Daniels, sitter, Jem Wharton.

[Anonymous No.4398335]

>>4398294
that palette has like 8 colors wtf are you on about

[Anonymous No.4398337]

>>4398294
guaranteed this has like 2 whites, a blue, two earth tones, two yellows, and a red. "Restrained palette" my ass

[Anonymous No.4398408]

>>4397996
at 5%, does that mean 95% white? which white?

[Anonymous No.4398776]

>>4398408
5% yellow ochre/red/black, 95% white.

[Anonymous No.4398778]

>>4398776
Then they add a trace of black/yellow/red to the percentage of tinted colour

[Anonymous No.4398799]

>>4398776
what WHITE is WHITE

[Anonymous No.4398812]

>>4398799
Proper White is Cremnitz White. You shouldn't use it unless you've been painting for 5-10 years or are suitably responsible.

Titan has great tinting strength but is very reflective, Zinc is brittle and will crack.

[Anonymous No.4398816]

>>4398812
The issue is mainly tinting strength, Zinc white might be cooler than others which would probably be an issue with the Zorn palette.

[Anonymous No.4398825]

>>4398052
People who aren't American, dumbass?

[Anonymous No.4399170]

>>4396719
>>4394456
I'm gonna call it "bad underdrawing = rendering".

[Anonymous No.4399310]

>>4398335
>>4398337
So not far off from the Zorn palette then, for even Zorn used blue as you well know.
So what exactly was wrong with the point I made? Not exactly using quin magenta etc, but still painting masterly black skin tones with a traditional palette of colours.

[Anonymous No.4399354]

>>4398812
Another white is Permalba, it's possible that Sargent used this toward the end of his life. It's a mix or Titan and Zinc.

[Anonymous No.4399355]

>>4394456
>>4394617

so basically, b***n can't draw for shit and he just memorized shadows and rendering from his shitty life portraits and repeats them over and over

[Anonymous No.4399356]

[Anonymous No.4399358]

[Anonymous No.4399364]

i doubt it matters that you use precisely the exact colours. a manufacturers version of a colour is very likely different from what the masters painted with.

[Anonymous No.4399372]

>>4399356
Mirin that flip out palette

[Anonymous No.4399491]

>>4396719
Why do you have like 25 colors on your palette

[Anonymous No.4399498]

>>4399355
Underdrawings are usually incredibly simple in my paintings.

>>4399491
I only used 4 colors and white: >>4394776

[Anonymous No.4399973]

You also dropped Umber and its kind of interesting to see that you didn't need it. The ashcan school always had it on their palette

[Anonymous No.4399985]

>>4394776
Good illustration of the brassy effect of Titanium white. Is it 20x25"? or more?

[Anonymous No.4400004]

>>4398799
They used titanium.
https://michaellynnadams.com/zorn-limited-palette/

I found this out easily, why didn't you try?

[Anonymous No.4401443]

Went to a painting class for the first time some time ago, they insisted I'd sign them clearly for some reason

[Anonymous No.4401444]

>>4401443

[Anonymous No.4401464]

Is that gimp still taking images to use in that youtube thing from here? I don't want my wips to end up on something from there....

[Anonymous No.4401550]

What elements to add to the background? This is gonna be a watercolor.

[Anonymous No.4401868]

>>4401550
Things that stick up; heads on spikes, lighting, maybe a nice hanging tapestry.

[Anonymous No.4401895]

[Anonymous No.4401902]

>>4401895

I brushed this one so intensely and hard the brushes came off and in the end, i was brushing with basically the wooden part.

[Anonymous No.4401927]

Also the blood splatter on "Glacier" is accidental fallout from "painting" this (= partly literally throwing and "swishing" paint off the brush)

The kisses are made by lacing my lips with acrylic paint and kissing the painting.

[Anonymous No.4401931]

>>4401927

Fucked up and didn't enclose the "painting".

[Anonymous No.4401978]

If i want to learn how to portrait with oil paint, should i focus on first getting acquainted with drawing portraits with a pencil or switch between drawing and painting ?

[Anonymous No.4402003]

>>4401978
In an Academy, you would study by drawing sculptures and busts in the room. In the fourth year you would get into painting. Start with watercolors on panels I would say but don't neglect sable brushes

[Anonymous No.4402005]

>>4401902
u gotta chill then...

[Anonymous No.4402024]

>>4401550
You don't "add things to the background", you make a composition study to determine the look, the values and the colours of your picture.

[Anonymous No.4402026]

>>4402003
Thank you

[Anonymous No.4402098]

>>4402005

Why? I think it turned out as it should have

[Anonymous No.4402210]

I don't understand. Any board I go to, I always kill threads by my commenting. Can you explain?

[Anonymous No.4402754]

forgot to gesso the paper again.

[Anonymous No.4402819]

Class tonight

[Anonymous No.4403157]

>>4402210
Nah, I'm pretty much like that too.
Let us kill this thread together!

[Anonymous No.4403220]

>>4377541
Cool.

[Anonymous No.4403482]

>>4401550
Make multiple thumbnail paintings and experiment around until you find what you like. Personally I'd go for a darker cave-like background but all is up to you.

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[Anonymous No.4404921]

>>4381439

Your advice is such artsy fartsy bullshit holy shit

[Anonymous No.4405014]

How do you get this good at gouache?
It honestly looks like an oil painting.
I'm so used to gouache pieces being flat with hard edges

[Anonymous No.4405533]

>>4405014
practice

>>4404530
beard is fucked up and smushy

>>4402754
use more than one size brush

>>4401895
>>4401931
behold, illastrat's protoge

>>4401550
slick linework. Doesn't matter what's in the background as long as you remember ut use contrast to maintain your character's silhouette.

[Anonymous No.4406496]

>>4405014
>It honestly looks like an oil painting.
sounds like it's closer to oil/acrylic than watercolor

[Anonymous No.4406508]

How do you guys clean your oil shit at home since you can't dump shit it the drain?

[Anonymous No.4406521]

>>4406508
If you buy brush cleaner at the hardware store you can pour the runoff back in through a funnel. Your city should give you flyers on how to dispose of waste properly. I just use turpentine for cleaning and it lasts a long time because I pre-wipe brushes before rinsing...

[Anonymous No.4406523]

>>4405014
They're just doing washes. Gouache can be used opaquely and transparently. They're the same paint, gouache just has more pigment and sometimes a filler. Start with the block, solid shapes, and then build up washes over it. You can also do wet in wet washes, to get the cloudy, feathery effects.

[Anonymous No.4406525]

>>4406521
my brush cleaner has a handle on it which makes it easier to carry around. 2L will keep a lot of fluid..

[Anonymous No.4406544]

Trying to make momey. Thinking 800 in the right spot?

[Anonymous No.4406545]

>>4406544
Picture

[Anonymous No.4406550]

>>4406545
Another

[Anonymous No.4406666]

>>4406544
no

[Anonymous No.4406693]

>>4406545
I kinda like this, not $800 worth though.

[Anonymous No.4406704]

>>4398337
Where's the blue?

[Anonymous No.4406712]

>>4406545
>>4406550
actually good

[Anonymous No.4406714]

>>4406545
$80

>>4406550
$150

[Anonymous No.4406727]

>>4406545
let's be real
you're a nobody, so the time invested becomes more important

so if you spent 20+ hours on this, we can reasonably consider minimum wage plus material cost
but if you're *somebody*, we can consider a lot more--note that being "someone" doesn't always imply fame, but also implies critical thinking and how complex the piece is

so looking at these there's a lot of simplicity, meaning that even i can reproduce such a painting, but there's also a degree of "uniqueness"

so, >>4406545 is okay, >>4406550 is much worse

SO, and BUT, both pieces aren't very interesting--nothing really makes me question reality or nature or anything, they're just "cool" brush strokes. therefore, far from $800

[Anonymous No.4406747]

>>4406727
I agree that my paintings aren't unique. Alot of my practice is simple so I think I've spent more time on the application and color mixing then on creating something complex. I've been meaning to work on composition and complexity. People often act as if they should be priced high, but that's mostly friends. I've never really trusted that but figured I was just lacking confidence. Though really I felt it was a lack of intriguing content. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4406754]

>>4406747
I have this guy for an instructor at university https://www.paulbernhardt.ca/ghost-in-the-machine/2l5n2tqa9q7ensvyrrgcr3p3ac3rom
so my idea of "value" is more skewed towards the complex. Maybe you can look toward others, like Paul, for more inspiration, because what you're doing now is *exclusively* geared towards representational, natural art. Nothing in those two pieces makes me question what's going on--you've laid out for me EXACTLY what's happening. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.4406983]

sepia ink, tempera

[Anonymous No.4406989]

>>4406983
Tы oхyeл?

[Anonymous No.4407741]

>>4396719
Yeah the forearm is kinda distracting from a pretty good piece.
Dude, you should try to get a tube of lead white. It’ll give your flesh tones a better look. Get some powdered marble also to give you even more fine control of values.

[Anonymous No.4407752]

So frustrating. I hesitate to post anything beyond studies here cause of the rep of the site in general but everywhere else people are too nice to give real crits. So here goes....
I’m planning to strengthen the darks a little more then add some color, but pretend you are a high-falutin art collector in NYC... tell me what you think.
What would make you want to hang this on your wall to intimidate your friends into thinking you have superior tastes to them:)?

[Anonymous No.4407754]

>>4406989
He люблю pыбy

[Anonymous No.4407833]

>>4407752
I like it. It's done

[Anonymous No.4407877]

>>4407752
it's already cool as fuk mate
art critics will just want something colossal in size

[Anonymous No.4407913]

>>4407833
Thanks!
>>4407877
Thanks bro!
Yeah this is about 18 in. x 24 in.
I got to make some bigger panels. I got a 36x36 built but still gotta prime and stuff. Not sure how a square would be received so gonna do 28x36 or something. Thanks again.

[Anonymous No.4407916]

>>4407913
GO TO THE 100 INCHES

[oil noob No.4407950]

early stages of this one. what can I do with the boring bank in the foreground to improve the composition?

[Anonymous No.4408077]

>>4407916
Biggest I got is 48x48. Might do 36x48.

[Anonymous No.4408252]

[Anonymous No.4408258]

>>4408252
what is the point of this

[Anonymous No.4408417]

>>4407950
Start thinking about lost and found edges. The farther away a thing is is usually in less focus. As a painter you choose what you want people to focus on. If your background trees are the focus then have them be sharp. The mountains/hills are very separate from the sky... the edge is sharp. Should it be. Use more finesse. Things in shadow of an object... try to have less definition, creating a feeling of space.

[Anonymous No.4408644]

>>4407950
Actually paint the grasses and reeds and foliage.

[Anonymous No.4408836]

made this scull with charcoal

[Anonymous No.4409088]

>>4408258

It's a swirl. I think it looks good. That's all.

[Anonymous No.4409190]

>>4408252
>>4408258
>>4409088
>>4409088
Waste of paint and our time to discuss it.

[Anonymous No.4409203]

>>4409190

Well, that's just like, your opinion man. But ok. No need to reply anymore.

I'll add that it started as an experiment with pure white and blue. I made another painting called "Wings" with blue only. Then doing this one, I wanted how the white and blue would mix or keep separate.

If you want, I'd like to hear one more thing from you: the obvious lack of skill (I admit) put aside, does it look pleasing to your eye?

[Anonymous No.4409223]

>>4409203
>>4408252

And I concede this probably should have went in /beg/. I started painting two months ago, so most of the stuff I make is purely experimenting.

[Anonymous No.4409231]

>>4407950

Add fishes and frogs, insects or people.

Also reflections in the water do not seem to match the background? The "stick" is twisted, is that because of waterflow? Only some of the trees in the middle are reflected?

[Anonymous No.4409318]

Could someone critique this charcoal drawing? I tried to portray decrepitude, was I successfull?

[Anonymous No.4409383]

>>4407752
What you can do with the brush is impressive and it looks good, but you may want to try making the actual subject less ambiguous. I don't know what I'm looking at. That is fine, but I think if you used this style to paint an actual thing it would produce a really cool painting. Just make some form, like of a person or car, just barely recognizable... that would look cool. Just a suggestion though, you keep doing you.

[Anonymous No.4409407]

>>4409318
Looks good. Its probably too late now, but I think sharpening the hard edges in the light areas would be a good idea. Maybe lighten up the top of the sky to push out the foreground. This is a quick edit with just burn and dodge to sharpen up some edges and push the values.

[Anonymous No.4409436]

>>4409407
Yeah I put fixative on that but I will use your advice for future drawings, thank you

[Anonymous No.4409447]

>>4409203
Well, you asked our opinions? And I'll reply all I want, if you want a blog to control, go elsewhere.
Post scribbles, expect honest critiques.

[Anonymous No.4409472]

>>4409383
Thanks for the reply. Stuff is evolving:)

[Anonymous No.4409539]

>>4409447

Ok.

Re-iterating: the obvious lack of skill (I admit) put aside, does it look pleasing to your eye?

[Anonymous No.4409551]

>>4409447

And with the "no need to reply" I wasn't being hostile, just stating ok I understand this is not interesting to you. Be chill dude or dudette.

[Anonymous No.4409584]

>>4409447

Also btw, there was no honest critiques, just trash. Any fucking street walker can say waste of paint.

[Anonymous No.4409603]

>>4409539
No, it's not pleasing to the eye. How can it, there is no control of values, colours, no composition, no skill, nothing to rate at all.
>>4409584
Provide a piece of art if you want a real critique. You got the response you deserved.

[Anonymous No.4409757]

>>4409603

Thanks for the reply

[Anonymous No.4409776]

>>4409603
There is something that bothers me about your reply.

I don't know what you mean by values.

About colours.. its a colours study. Looking back at it, I'm proud about the neon green interacting with blue and white. Pink to an extent.

It was not meant to have a composition. it was a background and a flower (I think?)

No skill ok yea but what makes skill? small nice strokes? 10thousand strokes per picture? This was made in an hour.

I think you already rated it.

But still.. can you just look at a picture at one glance and say if it makes you feel good or not?

[Anonymous No.4409786]

Now that my country is in full coronavirus panic mode I'd like to learn painting
acrylic or gouache? oil would be nice but I don't want to spend too much

[Anonymous No.4409843]

>>4409776
>I don't know what you mean by values.
This is one of your problems, right here.

What is skill? If I picked up a violin and drew the bow across, could you tell the difference between me-anon who does not play, does not put in thousands of hours trying to learn and better myself on the instrument, compared to the 1st violin of an orchestra? I paint still lives in one hour, Seago painted whole landscapes in oil in an hour while entertaining guests at a dinner party, so what is your point? Skill in art is judged by the quality of the work you put out. Except for all those money launderers that buy abstract art of course. But fine art requires skill.


If I want to receive feelings looking at a painting, I will look at a Singer Sargent, a Velasquez, or Holbein. Your picture doesn't make me feel anything, you don't even know what it is meant to be of, it's some muddy looking colours that look like a child swished them in approximately 10 seconds.
I now wish Brian and Illastrat would come back....

[Anonymous No.4409851]

>>4409786
>I want to learn oil

That's nice, it's a fine art. But if you've never had any affinity with the fine arts before try looking at drawing videos on youtube first. If you find drawing boring then you won;t have wasted money on paints, because it's even harder to capture something when you factor colour in. People think it's 'easy', but that is why there is so much ugly, revolting eye cancer shit floating around these days.

[Anonymous No.4409873]

>>4409843

You are right, I am a child. I started painting just now. I never thought I liked it. I will be off to /beg/

But thank you. Really. This reply was powerful and explanatory.

I just rebutt a little bit. I think in violin there is no shortcut, but in art there might be (money launder or not) there MIGHT be people who just started yesterday and found a niche and made "art" literally throwing paint at a canvas, which made people feel something.

I'm not saying I'm one. I just really like what I did. I like it I mean I hanged one of them on top of my bed and it's really what I love to wake up to. Maybe if replicated, others would like it on their bed too.

I don't know. But thank you. I have no resentments rip me apart it makes me think. And maybe progress.

[Anonymous No.4409883]

>>4409843

And funnily enough, someone in another thread called me Illastrat's protege lol I don't know who he is

[Anonymous No.4409925]

And this is the painting on top of my bed. It is much more blue-purple when light shines on it through my window pane

[Anonymous No.4409926]

>>4409873
Good luck with your learning. I'm sure if you keep it up you will realise that the longer you do this, the harder it gets. People that throw paint on canvases, maybe you're thinking of Pollock, they only made money because it behove the art 'scene' at the time to make someone like him a star, He still drank himself into deep depression all the time. Try to make works that make you proud, and try to improve with each new canvas.

[Anonymous No.4409964]

>>4406983

[Anonymous No.4409966]

>>4409964

[Anonymous No.4409967]

>>4409926

Thank you. I definitely will. I'm not looking up to anyone, I'm doing my own things and purely doing things I think that look good and make people feel things.

It was interesting to see Pollock on the board lol. I thought what he did is very close to what I did without ever hearing of him.

[Anonymous No.4410135]

>>4409851
i don't really agree with this advice considering how annoying charcoal and pencilwork can be

[Anonymous No.4410321]

>>4391877
I like it! What's your process like? Do you sketch first or use an image as a reference?

[Anonymous No.4411424]

got the broad shapes and general layout for this figured out

[Anonymous No.4411441]

>>4411424
That lettuce is really coming along nicely.

[Anonymous No.4411503]

>>4411424
excellent background as well!

[Anonymous No.4411802]

>>4411424
Lol hiding you weakness with lettuce.

[Anonymous No.4411807]

>>4411424
I would have considered painting a transparent shower curtain. Do you have a sense for where your figures are, what their story is, or is it enough to have them appear as models?

[Anonymous No.4411928]

heres a FANTASTIC still life I did today

[Anonymous No.4412393]

>>4411802
what else did you expect him to do

>>4411928
it's beautiful

[Anonymous No.4412962]

>>4412393
Same artist bro

[Anonymous No.4413138]

>>4411928
small experiment over another painting

[Anonymous No.4413409]

>>4413138
No lettuce?

[Anonymous No.4413418]

>>4411424
>>4413138

[Anonymous No.4413453]

>>4413138
i feel like it lacks something to make the space seem interesting

[Anonymous No.4413479]

>>4395890

[Anonymous No.4413495]

Question:When it comes to inking a pencil sketch, I'm scared that Ill ruin it or make incorrectable mistakes that I didn't sort out in the pencil stage .how do I get good at inking?

[Anonymous No.4413617]

>>4413453
i'll get back to it in a second, painted this today too

[Anonymous No.4413679]

>>4413617
Do you think perhaps you need glasses, or to get your eyes tested? Your pictures always look fuzzy and make my eyes hurt.

[Anonymous No.4413706]

I finished this oil painting recently. The lighting really doesn’t do it justice, but I like it.

[Anonymous No.4413789]

>>4413495
Don't be a baby, go ruin some fucking drawings. Then draw better ones and ruin those too.

Also, I find it helps a lot for practice to make the pencil drawing super loose and useless, so you actually have to think and draw in ink. If you're just tracing your pencils in ink, it's going to look traced, which looks bad.

[Anonymous No.4413817]

>>4413706
Better picture

[Anonymous No.4414428]

I'm gonna call it "Reflection of a Sunset"

[Anonymous No.4414602]

>>4413817
i mean it's okay, but it isn't anything special--i wouldn't say much thought went into it compared to >>4414428

[Anonymous No.4415027]

[Anonymous No.4415763]

Finished it yesterday, what do you think?

[Anonymous No.4415841]

What do you guys use for plein air sketching? Ive been using (unsuccessfully) acrylic and I fucking hate the drying time. It's impossible to get subtle tones when my paint dries before I've even finished mixing it. I got the winsor Newton Cotman watercolors when I first started but I found it difficult to control and get darks. I was considering getting a few tubes of artist grade watercolor and some white guache, would that make a difference or are pans fine and I'm just bad? I've seen James gurney use casein and that seems like a good alternative to watercolor.

[Anonymous No.4415844]

>>4414602
Ane yet >>4413817 is clearly a better painting.

[Anonymous No.4415855]

>>4415844
Delusional. Blinded by your crabitude

[Anonymous No.4415897]

>>4413817
Reminds me of Marc Mulders.

[Anonymous No.4415900]

>>4413817
>>4415844
>>4415897
it's literally shit on a fucking canvas

[Anonymous No.4415901]

>>4406983
Love the texture of this one

[Anonymous No.4416290]

>>4396675
I love the one in the background, tell us about it

[Anonymous No.4416547]

>>4415763
Call me simple but I'd like it more if I could tell what I was looking at, I like the shapes and colours and general texture but it's giving me that feeling that looking at that picture an AI went over to make everything impossible to recognise.

>>4415027
This is nice. Background and skull perhaps could stand a little more distinction, but I wouldn't insist on it.

>>4414428
If I squint real hard it looks kinda like something, not seeing the sunset though, maybe a flowerbed and pond. Some higher contrast colours sparingly used would be a boon here.

[Anonymous No.4416859]

>>4415763
I think it's a mess and I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking at. As art uses visual communication, that means you failed.

[Anonymous No.4416885]

Working on this one atm, I feel as though it's a bit flat, but I don't want to go too hard on the hatching, I guess I'll have to go and buy some other shades of lead, and use more than one, to try and make her skintone pop more.

[Anonymous No.4416916]

>>4416885
That's very cool, what are your socials?

[Anonymous No.4416966]

>>4416916
Just an IG that I should put a bit more effort into: gka.1987

I don't know what the the best way is these days to get ones art out there.

[Anonymous No.4418028]

Important thing I realized today.. traditional art is 3d and also the paint reflects light in a different way in real life.

In digital art, if you print it out you don't get the 3d effect if you lay down layers of paint and sunlight drops on it.

Digital art is stationary. Traditional art changes depending on where you hang it, what kind of light you shine on it, or the weather today (or your mood - but arguably digital also)

Digitalcucks btfo?

[Anonymous No.4418038]

>>4418028
Digital is faster, that's about it.

[Anonymous No.4418870]

>>4377496
Did this yesterday but fucked up at the pattern but still very pleased with the result

[Anonymous No.4419824]

>>4416290
Spooky painting of St James's church in the evening time, it's not quite finished.

[Anonymous No.4419858]

>>4391877
This as a whole doesnt make sense to me both color and shadow wise in addition to the pseudo rigidity and pseudo fluidity. They contrast too greatly for it to seem like a coherent work.

Either make your lines more clean or less clean. Its like a muddied detail work that got messed up.

The shadows dont make sense given how light your background is.

[Anonymous No.4419859]

>>4395037
i love caillebotte so naturally i love this.
you need to integrate more pinks blues and purples in the shadows

[Anonymous No.4421437]

Ears, upper lips, background and some eggs are starting to get shape

>>4416547the skull and nest, still are in the sketch phase

[Anonymous No.4421447]

>>4421437
I'd been looking forward to seeing the progress on this. Thank you for posting.

[Anonymous No.4421473]

Working on a self portrait

[Anonymous No.4421500]

>>4421473
Maybe make bigger eyes? The proportions dont feel right

[Anonymous No.4421548]

>>4421500
it's done in a neoclassical style

[Anonymous No.4422111]

>>4421548
dude, if you got even the slightest grasp on shape and volume you'd be 10x better and you're already very good

[Anonymous No.4422418]

>>4421548
here's a figure drawing, I wasn't super happy with it

[Anonymous No.4422441]

>>4421548
>neoclassical

[Anonymous No.4423284]

>>4422441
Kek

[Anonymous No.4423351]

am i gud yet? took about 8 hours

>>4413495
I agree with the other anon basically 99%. Don't make your pencil drawing totally useless, but keep it gestural and just about proportions of major forms. otherwise, that guy said it perfectly. Go ruin some drawings, it's the only way.

[Anonymous No.4423355]

>>4423351
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.4423648]

what is glazing? what parts are "glazed" in this leddit piece? mentions going over paintings with "glazes in color"

[Anonymous No.4423658]

>>4421548
finished it

[Anonymous No.4423669]

>>4423648
Glazing is using lots of medium and little of a transparent colour.
Scumbling is using white, or an opaque in a similar way.

As always Marc Dalessio has good advice about it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCmR4xvepkU

[Anonymous No.4423672]

>>4423658
Lols at the floating mountains, especially the one entering the side of your head.
Also the cigarette brush.

[Anonymous No.4423724]

>>4423672
thanks, I think it also looks like Super Mario and I'm eating spaghetti, which is double stupid

[Anonymous No.4423821]

Am looking into using acrylics for a change, is there any decent books or guides you'd recommend for basic not fucking up/interesting things to do with them?

[Anonymous No.4423879]

>>4423821
don't. just start using oil

[Anonymous No.4423942]

For your consideration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcde4MpMbdo

[Anonymous No.4424143]

Why are the trad threads always such absolute trash?

[Anonymous No.4424283]

>>4424143
found the draw thread scum

[Anonymous No.4424715]

Self-portrait I’m working on. Obviously not done yet, I need to finish some facial details, like my shadows, which I don’t really like. I also need to do the background and shirt

[Anonymous No.4424835]

you now you're a boomer if you still use turpentine LOL

[Anonymous No.4424872]

>>4377541
The Zbukvic book

[Anonymous No.4425185]

>>4413495
You could always just scan them anon

[Anonymous No.4425211]

>>4377914
you have been painting this for like 4 fucking months already just get done with it

[Anonymous No.4425215]

>>4393110
looks like total shit

[Anonymous No.4425217]

>>4394617
looks like total shit you're really bad

[Anonymous No.4425220]

>>4395869
why the fuck does she have a fat gorilla arm stop shitting up this board with your garbage get back in the beginner thread

[Anonymous No.4425221]

>>4396716
ya its terrible

[Anonymous No.4425224]

>>4413138
dogshit on a panel

[Anonymous No.4425227]

>>4421473
embarrassing you belong in the beginner thread

[Anonymous No.4425231]

>>4421548
its done in a neoclassical style without having any of the neoclassical discipline. it looks like dogshit learn how to draw

[Anonymous No.4425234]

>>4422418
torsos dont contort out to the side like they are made of raw sausage, retard.

[Anonymous No.4425235]

>>4423658
theres not a single appealing thing about this painting invest some time into learning basic proportions

[Anonymous No.4425360]

>>4424715
ur rich parents better come slap some sense into you about that mess you call a room. If you can't keep that organized, you have no hope to ever organize values or shadow shapes in a painting.

[Anonymous No.4425488]

what’s new in /trad/
more bean headed small eyed freaks?
more headless female torsos with slugs for tits?
more disgusting kitsch flowers and landscapes?
more topless women with bad anatomy and misshapen tube arms?
more illastrat retardation?
the rare good painting?
you gremlins better keep your art in this containment thread so normal people don’t have to have the misfortune of seeing it

[Anonymous No.4425551]

>>4424715
Use charcoal to plan an underdrawing. Look into skin tone palettes.

[Anonymous No.4425659]

>>4377914
environment lighting doesn't match the model. good composition though.

[Anonymous No.4425899]

>>4425360
Pyw

[Anonymous No.4425910]

>>4425488
Well I did do this.

[Anonymous No.4425915]

>>4425551
Thank you for actual. You’re a saint. I did a value painting under this one, as any time I try charcoal, I lose it before I’m done with the first layer of paint. This is my first painted portrait, so I don’t feel too bad about it. I’ll definitely look into skin tone pallets though.

[Anonymous No.4425916]

>>4425915
*actual advice

[Anonymous No.4426644]

Anyone do acrylic transfers?
What's the process like for after your initial 3 layers of medium and the transfer itself? Do you do another 3 layers or just 1 if you want to transfer-on-top-of-transfer?

[Anonymous No.4426695]

That's my first time with oil, not finished yet. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4426735]

>>4425899
>>4423355

both of the replies to you were valid advice btw. Also don't waste money on skin tone palette, it'll make your stuff look dead. Just go zorn and if stuff looks too zombie-like, it means you need more red to balance out the black.

[Anonymous No.4427115]

posting a piece I am workimg on. Am happy with it so far but am scared to take it further. I will try to finish it how I imagined, just to see where I end up with it

[Anonymous No.4427197]

Underpainting

[Anonymous No.4427201]

>>4394617
individual portions look good but that anatomy is all sorts of fucked up

[Anonymous No.4427271]

>>4386901
>>4426695
bretty gud

[Anonymous No.4427282]

You are all posting paintings or somewhat realistic art, let me post something different.

[Anonymous No.4427300]

>>4427197
Do ya spray it with some shit before painting?

[Anonymous No.4427312]

>>4427115
>scared to take it further.

do it. You will 99% probably fuck it up. Take pictures every few strokes/additions so you can better absorb the lesson.

Unless you're working on a commission, it's generally better to go over the line a bunch while you're learning, that way you learn where it is.

[Anonymous No.4427313]

>>4427300
Nah,
But I only use turpentine as a medium
Then after this underpainting dries (about 30 min to 50 min) I start painting with half part linseed oil half part turpentine and finally only oil

[Anonymous No.4427323]

>>4427282
cool with something different. you made effort and it came out real nice. work on construction and it will be 10x better

[Anonymous No.4427404]

>>4423658
Brian why does your work sometimes look amazing and sometimes look total rubbish?

[Anonymous No.4427435]

>>4427313
oh I thought it was charcoal without opening the image

[Anonymous No.4427464]

>>4427312
thanks for the input anon. I know I will mess it up but it will be a good learning experience. We'll see how it turns out

[Anonymous No.4427627]

>>4423355
What media is this?
I'm guessing pastel, but I can't really tell.

[Anonymous No.4427828]

>>4427197

[Anonymous No.4428590]

>>4427627
oil paint on paper. Looks like pastel probably because of the paper and the fact that I'm trash at carefully handling gradation, all I can do when I work quick is tile similar values. It holds up okay at a glance, but falls apart upon inspection.

[Anonymous No.4428811]

>>4428590
Do you gesso the paper?

[Anonymous No.4428879]

Probably have to post this in the next thread for anyone to see it, but whatever.
Plein air painting from a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.4429174]

>>4427323
What construction?

[Anonymous No.4429274]

>>4428879
Cool, would like to see more blacks in the grass though.

[Anonymous No.4429296]

>>4429274
Thanks. I intend to start painting outside again this spring/summer so will post new paintings.

[Anonymous No.4429446]

>>4428811
nope. I throw some 50/50 on it and dig in.

[Anonymous No.4429452]

>>4428811
I should add that I do a couple 'base' layers as I block in and those require a lot of paint/scrubbing. definitely chews brushes up a little, so I just stick with bristle and save my nice sables for later when I'm painting onto/into paint.

[Anonymous No.4429600]

>>4382014
>when u concentrate on getting the tits just right

[Anonymous No.4429607]

>>4385362
Student grade
>less pigment
>more filler
>additives that might affect long term quality
>often cheaper pigments that fade in sunlight

[Anonymous No.4429615]

>>4391877
good shit
sky's too saturated tho