/asg/ - Anime Study General

[Anonymous No.4374577]

Why You Should Copy Anime:
https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0
https://youtu.be/t_IODIIYAe0

Make it Stick: The Science of Successful Learning:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=F0581EBF3D1D926E1A67127383C97350

**Strive for quantity AND quality.**

Anime Studying:
>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.
>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.
>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.
>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.

General Anime Style Discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Keep most of your personal works for /alt/ or the other critique threads. Here we should be drawing copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

Effective Art Study Guide:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cK9q7oeFRE58MVaSgUql662iGqCXC8Ah

General Art Overview:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz_mE9a29gsEd09TemJMNTJMWGs

Japanese Book Collection:
https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!sddDyarD

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

Discord:
https://discord.gg/3bwdfRk

Previous Thread:
>>4363332

[Anonymous No.4374582]

https://twitter.com/abara
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/15063

[Anonymous No.4374701]

>>4374333
/asg/ is incapable of seeing skill. My drawings aren't meant to show off skill anyhow, they're supposed to make me better. Once I'm not missing my lines every time, shit starts to look much much better.

[Anonymous No.4374755]

>>4374701
My point is, you keep telling people that if they just "had fundies" then drawing would be easy. But you can't draw any better than the average /beg/. So how would you know what it takes to draw well?

[Anonymous No.4374758]

Are these threads worth posting to?

[Anonymous No.4374769]

>>4374758
yes and no

[Anonymous No.4374775]

>>4374755
If he's not out of beg then what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.4374786]

>>4374755
I've had to swap my drawing positions 3 times, so I've been relearning accuracy over and over. Regardless if someone doesn't want to trust someone with bad drawings on an anonymous image board, they can do that.

[Anonymous No.4374793]

>>4374786
Ok I think you're just a schizo.

>>4374769
If you think a bunch of flat oddly proportioned outlines of torsos are enough to graduate from /beg/ then I don't know what to say.

[Anonymous No.4374797]

>>4374793
When do you get to leave /beg/?

[Anonymous No.4374802]

>>4374797
My personal definition is that you're no longer a /beg/ when you do more creating than learning. The exact definition doesn't matter though. I said he doesn't draw better than the average /beg/, and I think if you go to the /beg/ thread and look at the work posted there you'll see I'm right.

[Anonymous No.4374807]

>>4374755
he's just larping bro, don't give him (you)s

[Anonymous No.4374812]

>>4374758
No, not as long as grey sketch kun is here shitting up the thread and people keep taking his bait

[Anonymous No.4374817]

this is where we keep the broken toys.

[Anonymous No.4375119]

Are people gonna draw and post drawing or just shitposting and jerk each off on discord

[Anonymous No.4375123]

>>4374577
I completely forgot about that manga youtube channel. So that's where the 1000 pages trend came from. But nothing has been posted into the threads lately, so I take it to mean that the channel hasn't uploaded anything good?

[Anonymous No.4375147]

>4374701
So this is the powerlevel of /asg/, way to be a living example of your stereotypical my style fuckwit that absolutely refuses to leave his bubble. You are the embodiment of everything that this board has frowned upon and told others what not to do it is as if you were born out of the collective cesspool that has accumulated over the years of bitterness, resentments and grievances it is incredible.

[Anonymous No.4375149]

>>4375147
Post your work

[Anonymous No.4375161]

>4375149

[Anonymous No.4375186]

>>4375147
I'm the only one who knows how to properly draw on this board, everyone who has made it there, made it by luck.

>>4375149
>>4375161
Very Based.

[Anonymous No.4375194]

Study of Yoko from GL.

[Anonymous No.4375203]

Mods ban this faggot already Jesus

[Anonymous No.4375224]

[Anonymous No.4375225]

>>4375224
kino even with the narration like in my Japanese mangos

[Anonymous No.4375285]

did studies last week, then tried doing a quick 1 hour drawing (no refs) to practice perspective angles again.

pls crit

[Anonymous No.4375289]

>>4375285
theres no chin, neck, or jaw for one

[Anonymous No.4375300]

>>4375224
Is this a Baki leak?

[Anonymous No.4375303]

>>4375285
Right leg is broken. Body is fucked. No neck.

Don't practice perspective in a slow way like this.

[Anonymous No.4375307]

>>4375285

[Anonymous No.4375310]

>>4375289
the neck/head isn't placed back enough (to fit the spinal cord) too, fuck. the torso/clavicle bones would be seen in that angle too instead of completely hidden.

my biggest struggle was the thigh/pelvis area.

There's a bunch of other things wonky about the picture, but I can't specify them enough as well as explaining how to fix.

[Anonymous No.4375317]

>>4375303
How do you practice a specific fundie
when I studied, I just did 15 min quick sketches on the same pic 5 times at max, then move onto another picture. I used various perspectives so should I focus on 1 type of angle, then practice until I get it right?
or is my entire method fucked

[Anonymous No.4375334]

>>4375317
I'm literally going to murder the next person who responds to sketch fag

[Anonymous No.4375336]

>>4375317
I would learn it like this. Find a picture with a lot of foreshortening, and train your mind to see in perspective.

[Anonymous No.4375338]

>>4375336
grey sketch bro please draw your feet and hands

[Anonymous No.4375350]

>>4375338
Good idea.

[Anonymous No.4375694]

How many attempts does it take on average for any of you to remember a shape fully?

[Anonymous No.4375698]

>>4375694
Maybe a hundred or more. Depends on the shape.

[Anonymous No.4375731]

>>4375194
Pretty good dude, keep at it. The head on the left looks wonky though.

[Anonymous No.4375844]

>>4375694
What do you mean "a shape"?

[Anonymous No.4375985]

>>4375844
just familiarity with any shape to then draw from mem. maybe even at any angle.

[Anonymous No.4376015]

I just want to personally say fuck you to the chode that chased this specimen >>4375303 into the recent /beg/ threads
Hes so damn annoying

[Anonymous No.4376017]

>>4376015
He is your head ache now, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4376046]

>>4375985
It depends how complex the shape is? I would say a few times I guess. Once you've drawn it at multiple angles you should be able to do it from memory with practice.

[Anonymous No.4376058]

How do I learn to make appealing characters?

[Anonymous No.4376170]

I don't have tablet now

[Anonymous No.4376189]

>>4376058
Make them as flat as humanly possible

[Anonymous No.4376493]

>>4375123
Do you want people posting their 1000 page progress in these threads? I have been doing daily pages before the video was even posted because it's the only way I find myself practicing and drawing regularly.

[Anonymous No.4376541]

>>4375731
>the head on the left looks wonky though
Yes, well, that's the difference between imagination and reference, innit.
I was playing around with different ways of representing a head tilted upwards. If you look at a real head tilting up, the chin and jaw start to flatten out relatively quickly and will invert at a certain point, but if you draw this inverted jaw it's easy to accidentally make the whole head flatten out, plus on females it can look like a man jaw. I think for these reasons anime artists will sometimes cheat in this position, like in this pic. She's clearly looking up, but her jaw is drawn as if she's still looking straight ahead. So I was experimenting with maybe finding an intermediate, where the jawline is flatter but still has a slight point. I don't know what I'm doing really. If anyone has more advice or references for this sort of pose I'd appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.4376673]

>>4376493
If it mean 3 pages a day, every day? Yeah. It would be better than text. At least after a year you can tell and show /ic/ you drew 1000 pages and improved.

[Anonymous No.4376715]

study fundies before anime you faggots

[Anonymous No.4376726]

>>4376715
Show us how to apply "fundies" to draw good anime.
i.e. pyw

[Anonymous No.4376728]

>>4376726
Loomis

[Anonymous No.4376739]

>>4376728
Ok, so like most people on this board you can't draw. Why do you feel qualified to give advice then?
For what it's worth, I think there is value in both studying fundies and studying anime. I don't think art is a linear thing where you beat level 1: fundies and then you progress to level 2: anime. I think people should try out multiple things at the same time and let their failures and successes synergistically support each other. But I like you am a /beg/ and no one should take my opinions as advice since they could easily change next week.

[Anonymous No.4376769]

first time posting here, how do I get good?

[Anonymous No.4376773]

>>4376769
Loomis + Hampton + Studies + Practice

[Anonymous No.4376775]

>>4376773
So I need to get good at drawing realistic humans to get good at anime?

[Anonymous No.4376789]

>>4376775
Is anime not human?

[Anonymous No.4376791]

>>4376789
The head is a lot different no?

[Anonymous No.4376793]

>>4376769
Read the OP, it's there for a reason.

[Anonymous No.4376795]

>>4376793
Okay

[Anonymous No.4376816]

>>4376739
>implying i’m a /beg/ like you.
Kek

[Anonymous No.4376817]

This is my favorite thread.

[Anonymous No.4376819]

>>4376739
>self admitted beg projects his retardation on others
>has a shitty opinion and demonstrates he doesn't know what he's talking about
>disregards advice because ????
haha great post man keep it up

[Anonymous No.4376820]

>>4376775
I'm >>4376739 and here is my current theory.
Lately I've been focusing on just learning how to draw heads. As I've tried to draw more dynamic head/neck poses from imagination, I've definitely been frustrated with how many tries it takes to get something right, needing to try and find multiple references, the general wonkiness and lack of structure, etc. So what I'm going to do is grind Hampton heads for a little while in the hopes that this will make my anime heads better.
I'm not going to do really detailed copies of realistic heads, but I am going to practice drawing a basic realistic head structure from multiple angles that I can overlay anime features onto.
Also if you're going to use a method like this, I think it's important to not take your construction lines too literally. I hated doing Loomis heads when I first read it because I felt really locked into taking every construction line I drew as the absolute place where I had to place things and it never came out right. I think I've developed enough though to treat the underlying construction as a very loose guide though, more like advice on where to place things and not part of the actual drawing itself. With anime heads you will obviously want to bend and distort things and adjust proportions to make them look better.
I don't know how much this will actually help right now since I haven't started doing it yet. Maybe I'll report back in a month and show progress.

[Anonymous No.4376822]

>>4376791
No. Its a head. It follows human head rules. Learn to draw a real fucking head first and then study anime. Why is everyone here so FUCKING retarded

[Anonymous No.4376824]

>>4376816
Then post your work, man. If you're not a /beg/ then it shouldn't take you long to draw something. Post something you doodled in the past week if you want.

[Anonymous No.4376858]

>>4376824
A doodle I made last week.

[Anonymous No.4376864]

>>4375147
retard's just pretending to get (you)s. Hope other anons get an idea.

[Anonymous No.4377002]

>>4374577
I've been taking notes while following Manga Senpai's series, trying to condense the information down to something I can refer back to.

There are some videos I skipped (and will skip) where they're purely "how to draw". I find it's better to just watch the videos for that.

Here's the link:
https://mega.nz/#!o74xzQTb!xJ_ij4wHwT6jWjIEv_3EqM2kH2AGN5t4sWLycIIFDis

[Anonymous No.4377075]

>>4376739
>Found the retarded /beg/

[Anonymous No.4377112]

>>4376775
Yes, but don't mistake being able to draw a 1:1 copy of an academic study of a human skull and equate that to being able to draw like your favorite hentai artist. The point we try to get across when we tell you to study fundamentals first is so you will be able to pull off a stylized figure with forms in space (perspective) that are alike to the same proportion those found in real world figures.

Another mistake that we try to have you fags steer away from is that if you copy amawus enough you'll be able to learn how to draw and eventually draw it from imagination. Unless you've never seen an amawu and lack the immersion you're not going to learn anything new by simply copying the answers to the problem of idealizing and stylizing a figure to meet a certain genre.

It takes a lot of experimentation, failures, and tests to develop an approach to simplifying forms well enough to work with the amawu while at the same time providing adequate information to satisfy spacial and forms that are proportional to the figure as a whole.

Lack thereof would result in an uncanny, grotesque figure that is either too flat or too overly defined to the point it would look like a model with an amawu face slapped onto it. It is a process of eliminating features that work as a whole and this may only be achieved through independently drawing without copy to come to a conclusion that works with you; then and only then would you be able to execute stylized drawings because you understand the how and why of the matter instead of copying the answers that are already there for you from someone else that went through the painstaking process of elimination.

Hope this point gets across to some of you and if we have to post an amawu pic to grab your attention so be it.

[Anonymous No.4377123]

>>4377112
So that amawu user is a weeb after all.

[Anonymous No.4377318]

>>4375224
Baki cat

[Anonymous No.4377321]

>>4377318
Eren titan sketch

[Anonymous No.4377322]

>>4377321
Sorry for vertical, it was horizontal in the preview

[Anonymous No.4377339]

Eren titan sketch

[Anonymous No.4377344]

>>4376769
Draw a lot, remember some lego pieces, put them together.

>>4376864
I'm literally the only gmi in this thread. No pretending. I remember how retarded copyfags are, every time I draw.

[Anonymous No.4377366]

Oh no no no
the neet tranny is back

[Anonymous No.4377375]

>>4377366
I'm not a tranny, or a neet. I'm a grand wizard.

[Anonymous No.4377384]

This is actual mental illness, I hope you get help soon

[Anonymous No.4377492]

>>4376058
Learn to draw well enough where you can yoink appealing designs when you want.

[Anonymous No.4377624]

Where do you guys get your study material from?
Just download random shit from pixiv?

[Anonymous No.4377626]

>>4377492
Can do you some inking soon please grey sketch bro

[Anonymous No.4377677]

>>4377626
I love sketch style, but what exactly is the problem? Too hard to see?

[Anonymous No.4377773]

>>4376775
You mostly need to understand perspective to some degree (this is core to most things, and no it doesn't necessarily mean plow through How To Draw, just constantly ask yourself why your work looks completely flat compared to any random key animator) and memorize surface anatomy + human body proportions (pretty-looking standalone illustrations also need good value/edge), so I'd say not really, depending on what you mean by "realistic humans". You learn a style by studying the masters of that style. So what do you study in this case? Anime. I think most of us under advanced level are better off emulating our idols, not necessarily by doing copies of their work but by keeping it visible while we draw and try to make our stuff look like theirs by any means necessary (eyedropping their values/colors, adding greyscale filters and looking at the actual values/edges, copying their anatomical features and face/eye symbols etc). Once you've had lots of fun aping good artists and copying them, you can get more creative and give their characters new clothes, poses etc, and that's where construction models (I like Hitokaku) and life drawings (in terms of human references, figure drawing/quickpose websites are absolutely crucial for anime imo because they teach foreshortening + proportions of the human body, realistic portraits and stuff are way advanced/niche) come in, because they give you the tools to fly free on your own with imagination drawing

[Anonymous No.4377891]

>>4377773
Thanks for actually giving that guy some reasonable advice, this general has gone to such total shit. I see that now we're back to the "you have to learn to draw from life before you can draw anime" trolling that nearly sabotaged me when I was a clueless newcomer to /asg/. I'll take sketchfag any day over that shit, at least he's easy to ignore since his uploads might as well be an avatar.

[Anonymous No.4377941]

>>4376775
No.
Just learn the basics of form, perspective and construction.
Maybe some basic anatomy as well.
I recommend michael hampton. His book doesn't go into insane details on anatomy and he doesn't go much further than a basic mannequin setup but really that's all you need before you start to stylize.

[Anonymous No.4377945]

>>4377002
thanks mate

[Anonymous No.4377952]

Is there a massive dump of manga pages/references somewhere that I can just mindlessly grind?

[Anonymous No.4377955]

>>4377952
You should pick stuff you love and you shouldn't mindlessly grind

[Anonymous No.4377957]

>>4377952
This kind of question always baffles me, do you even like anime/manga in the first place?

[Anonymous No.4377961]

>>4377773
Thanks for not spacing your wall of text.

If I should mention anything useful, long 4+ hour sessions are when you actually learn things. Any shorter you learn a little.

>>4377952
People who make compilations, also tend to have garbage test, it's useless.

[Anonymous No.4377963]

>>4377961
taste*

[Anonymous No.4377977]

>>4377957
Not really, I don't really like drawing either

[Anonymous No.4377981]

>>4377977
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.4378001]

>>4377961
Thanks. Going to do a 4+ hour session. It's okay to go over 72+ hours right? Why come back here at all ever again right?

[Anonymous No.4378012]

>>4378001
>that opposed to draw
ngmi

[Anonymous No.4378018]

When i flip that shit one of the eyes seems strange, but i don't know exactly what i need to change.

[Anonymous No.4378163]

>>4378018
That's because they're kinda not the same eye. The outer eye swoops, is higher, and bends inwards as it travels back to the tear duct. It's not following the same shape.

BUT getting perfectly matching eyes will drive you crazy. Get it as close as possible and move on. I didn't even notice anything wrong with the eyes the first time I opened your picture.

[Anonymous No.4378170]

>>4377624
I just copy manga pages I like, but yes that would be one way to do it.

[Anonymous No.4378176]

>>4374577
This is my type of board

[Anonymous No.4378182]

Start tracing.

[Anonymous No.4378183]

>>4377891
Happened to me as well, but it's actually explained in the OP: https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0

>>4376769
Study realism not because you want to draw realistically but because the things it teaches you - line control, gesture, anatomy and perspective - are necessary to drawing anime.

For example, if you study Vilppu, the way he deconstructs forms will definitely help you in drawing anime.

The most important thing to do is to continue drawing anime ALONGSIDE studying realism, otherwise you won't understand how what you're learning will help you. You need to practice what you learn in the context of what you want to draw so that you don't get discouraged.

[Anonymous No.4378185]

>>4378176
Brah, her feet disappear into the pavement. If you're gonna do color this is the biggest mistake you can make.

Also, work on your clothing and folds.

[Anonymous No.4378190]

>>4378185
Yeah thanks br0

[Anonymous No.4378199]

Been practicing eye placement by copying some pictures, any feedback in something you see Im doing wrong?
btw do you feel these heads are too wide?

[Anonymous No.4378201]

>>4378199
Do you have a blog? I really like your stuff.

[Anonymous No.4378327]

>>4378199
>do you feel these heads are too wide?
Yeah, also feel like the neck is too wide for the artstyle you're going for.

[Anonymous No.4378333]

>>4378199
Some are too close to each other, the bottom heads.
Remember you need 1 eye wide in the middle.
Still too /beg/ to give much advice tbqh.

[Anonymous No.4378342]

>>4378333
If I keep drawing, will I eventually become less /beg/ and understand more advice?

[Anonymous No.4378347]

>>4378199
Classic copyfag, no idea what they're doing.

>>4378342
Drawing more will improve everything, but do it right.

[Anonymous No.4378359]

>>4378342
Yes, everyone is like that at first. The reason /beg/ doesn't get much crit is because they won't know what to do with it.
Just draw more

[Anonymous No.4378363]

>>4378342
Yes. Keep drawing. When you are stuck. Ask for help.

Keep sharing.

[Anonymous No.4378377]

>>4378201
For now I just want to improve I dont have any social media
>>4378327
Oh yeah I also felt necks were wrong
>>4378333
>you need 1 eye wide
You mean distance between the 2 eyes?

[Anonymous No.4378382]

>>4378377
>You mean distance between the 2 eyes?
Yes

[Anonymous No.4378392]

>>4378382
Alright thanks, ill keep in mind that

[Anonymous No.4378393]

>feel like I've slowly been grasping it more and more
>suddenly can't FEEL the form anymore
>this happened months ago
>still can't feel it
How do I get it back bros. I feel like I went blind.

[Anonymous No.4378397]

>>4378393
Practice pic related again from Vilppu's Drawing Manual.

[Anonymous No.4378399]

>>4378393
Artblock? Just go outside and take some breather

[Anonymous No.4378407]

>>4378393
It comes back to me when I start thinking about perspective.

[Anonymous No.4378412]

>>4378397
I do that exercise a few times a week to warm up. Its a good one. But that feeling is just not as strong as it used to be. Maybe I'm just not as confident as I used to be. I've also been having a harder time visualizing the 3d form of things. I think I have brain rot and am becoming more retarded by the day.

>>4378399
I've tried taking a few days to week long breaks over these past few months. I can usually think of things to draw

[Anonymous No.4378430]

>>4378412
Is it maybe a result of you knowing more about the subject? Since you mention it comes back when you do perspective stuff, maybe it's the feeling it for the first time that you're missing.

[Anonymous No.4378456]

>>4378430
>Since you mention it comes back when you do perspective stuff
I didn't mention that.
>Is it maybe a result of you knowing more about the subject?
I don't think so. I think my skill level is slightly higher than my actual knowledge of anatomy/perspective/color/etc. Not that either are very high. I should do more intensive studies so I can fall back on solid knowledge since I've lost the feel for it.

[Anonymous No.4378539]

I haven't finished that Tituria drawing yet, but after getting drunk I visualized this image in my head so I did a quick sketch to not lose this idea.

[Anonymous No.4378960]

can I get some advice? the moment I stop copying/using reference, I draw like absolute trash.
without reference, my lines are always off by a large margin.

[Anonymous No.4378965]

>>4378960
Uh. Everyone has that problem. Because drawing from imagination is a lot harder than drawing from reference.

[Anonymous No.4378994]

>>4378960
Because that's normal? Every artist use refs, imagination is just refs but in your head.

[Anonymous No.4378999]

>>4378960
Also.
Good study overall, I think the biggest area for improvement is how you did her eyes though. Note that in the original, the eye on our right is higher (in a 2D sense) relative to the other eye than how you arranged them in your drawing. The eye on our left also has a little "pinch" on its right side which helps show that it's tilted on a slightly different axis than the eye on our right. These features are due to the way the eyes wrap slightly around the front of the skull (think about the Loomis curve wrapping around a sphere method). The changes you made tend to flatten out the eyes and convey less of the roundness of the skull. In the case of this study the effect wasn't very noticeable, but keeping these sorts of things in mind will help make your drawings from imagination more convincing.

[Anonymous No.4379000]

i find western anime absolutely disgusting, yet it's all I can produce no matter how hard I try. You can always tell my art is western, I'm literally thinking of moving to japan and working as an unpaid intern to learn how to draw anime. Why is it that we westerns suck so much when it comes to anime?

[Anonymous No.4379008]

>>4379000
Post your work instead, there's no point in making that kind of post.

[Anonymous No.4379042]

>>4378999
thanks for the advice. it does look better now.
have some hearts

[Anonymous No.4379044]

>>4379008
okay here you go

[Anonymous No.4379046]

>>4379042
I'd also shrink and move down the ear, note its position and size in ref and in yours.

[Anonymous No.4379080]

>>4379044
Honestly not that bad. Just keep practicing and I'm sure you'll be able to draw in any style you want to.

[Anonymous No.4379121]

>>4379042
the original style's ear is grotesque, this was your chance to improve on it.

[Anonymous No.4379123]

>>4379121
I like the original ear...

[Anonymous No.4379223]

>>4376541
Another example of a cheated head looking up. Or is it actually not cheating and it's more accurate than I'm giving it credit for? Would like to hear people's thoughts on this.

[Anonymous No.4379233]

>>4377891
Yeah it's annoying when people talk about "realistic humans" before anime, "realistic humans" is a very deep rabbit hole and it's easy to misinterpret and become lost. People should just get an anatomy book (i like the one by Zarins) and fill up a folder with reference pics by their fav artists and get drawing while looking at the refs imo. And quickpose websites are great.

I drew this as demonstration, even though it's just typical anime eye symbols + anime hair bangs slapped on wonky (but adequate) primitives, it kind of checks out as anime illustration. And the heads are still just hamfisted applications of chapter 1 of Hitokaku (顔・頭編). I can't draw a realistic human to save my life either

[Anonymous No.4379485]

[Anonymous No.4379652]

[Anonymous No.4379717]

>>4379233
I've missed you. What do you think of grey sketch anon? I think you two would go great together.

[Anonymous No.4379718]

how do you make your style resemble more the one you're trying to look like? I feel like min is going in the completely oppossite direction.

[Anonymous No.4379765]

>>4379044
Blog?

[Anonymous No.4379824]

Remembering/testing construction methods.

>>4379044
Based puke girl.

>>4379718
Draw more.

[Anonymous No.4379857]

>>4379233
are you the hitokaku poster? what did you read/do to get as good as you are today?

[Anonymous No.4379870]

few months old, also who tf is grey sketch anon.

[Anonymous No.4379872]

>>4379870
if you actually knew where her skull was, you could draw both her head and hat right.

[Anonymous No.4379875]

>>4379857
By not copying from pictures, but copying from your mind.

>>4379870
Right here.

[Anonymous No.4379891]

>>4379872
true.

[Anonymous No.4379959]

>>4379857
no, i am the hitokaku poster. i'm still lurking but i don't think these threads are worth posting to anymore

[Anonymous No.4379963]

>>4379959
So what's your new goal now? Are you going to make it now?

[Anonymous No.4379969]

>>4379959
Based poster who fixed my shit. What references did you practice for foreshortening?

[Anonymous No.4379971]

>>4379959
How to get good hand writing like you?

[Anonymous No.4379998]

>>4379963
i'm still studying a lot of realism and rendering to improve my skills. i have a lot of projects going on so i can't spend too much time redlining and shitposting on 4chan anymore
>>4379969
foreshortening is more convincing when you use your own perspective skills to calculate the how size diminishes in space. it's the one aspect where i shy away from references and instead purely construct. if you want to practice from reference, i would recommend the krenz rotation exercises
>>4379971
i don't think my handwriting is very good but if i were to practice it, i would write slowly and let speed come naturally later

[Anonymous No.4380042]

>>4379998
Thanks dude, just reminded me krenz is the only true artist that gets it.

[Anonymous No.4380123]

>>4376058
i think that just means rehashing the same generic trendy shit people always see in designs

[Anonymous No.4380263]

[Anonymous No.4380265]

>>4380263
me on the left

[Anonymous No.4380293]

>>4380263
Studying meaning copying is the worst drawing meme, I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.4380304]

>>4380263
Good job, keep at it.
Also is it just me or this guy >>4380293 is your thread's retard? he keep spamming his rough stick figure, seem like it's only thing he can draw
Sorry, never visit /asg/ much

[Anonymous No.4380308]

>>4380304
He’s our local clown. He’s funny right?

[Anonymous No.4380315]

>>4380308
Not as based as our /alt/ clown Mikufag though

[Anonymous No.4380316]

>>4380293
does every general have a shitposting NEET

i sure am envious as a wagecuck, imagine having that much time to shitpost

[Anonymous No.4380319]

>>4380316
It’s pretty good but some hours are really slow, so it’s more of a 9-5 job.

[Anonymous No.4380360]

>>4380304
Just ignore him, he doesn't shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.4380367]

Someone redline me I am going crazy. I don’t know what to do with the arms to make this shit dynamic

[Anonymous No.4380427]

Hi drawfriends,
how well does 3D modeling skills transfer over to drawing? I used to do some, albeit not good, 3d modeling and sculpting, so I know a little bit about anatomy but not a whole lot.
I really just want to draw in an eastern style, but half the people here are saying to copy other japanese artists, while the other half says to start with anatomy, and it's really confusing

[Anonymous No.4380440]

>>4380427
not really. i started 3d modelling 5 years ago and my drawing was complete garbage until i actually practiced drawing

drawing transfers over to 3d modelling but not vice versa

[Anonymous No.4380443]

>>4380427
3d modelling doesn't transfer over because of you don't take notice of perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOOHn83BYCI

[Anonymous No.4380444]

>>4380440
thanks anon, that makes sense
how would you recommend going about drawing if my end goal is anime drawing? This OP and the sticky have conflicting information

[Anonymous No.4380453]

>>4380444
for perspective:
drawabox.com

for anatomy:
having a sense of where the bones/general muscles are, is good enough for anime

for style:
copy your favourite artist and understand the shapes/lines used, why the artist made the decisions, etc

it took me about a thousand drawings to get somewhat decent. go buy two stack of 500 A4 and start practicing. you will be at a decent level once you run out of paper

[Anonymous No.4380468]

>>4380444
>>4380427

you don't start with anatomy, then go to perspective, then value shading, etc
they are all closely related
you learn it together so you can cross-apply the skills

[Anonymous No.4380478]

>>4380443
This makes sense, perspective wasn't even a passive mention when I was doing CAD and modeling

>>4380453
>copy your favourite artist
Like trace, copy by eye, or copy the style?

>and understand the shapes/lines used, why the artist made the decisions, etc
would it make sense to figure out the placement of shapes by doing things like printing it out and figuring where the artist placed the shapes?

>>4380468
I see, it's just that's how a lot of those books seem to be structured

[Anonymous No.4380503]

>>4380478
>Like trace, copy by eye, or copy the style?
i think its best explained with hair.

long wavy lines vs sharp lines
long thin volumes vs big volumes vs volumes that taper
if you are trying to make more realistic art, do you want to simplify the hair strands to clumps, etc

by copying style, i mean understanding why kind of decisions the artist takes to produce the desired effect

[Anonymous No.4380708]

>>4380427
Worked with 3DCG architecture ~3 years, helps me with my perspective senses but not much.

I've been drawing for two years now, but I can be sure there's no linear path for drawing, you just connect the dots as you go.

[Anonymous No.4380768]

saw the reference and the coom brain took control
drawing the contact points is too hard

[Anonymous No.4380840]

>>4380367
If you want more dynamic then just empasis the shape more.
For your pic, the girl is doing a really dynamic pose but you draw her too stiff and stand still.
Here's my suggestion, bend upper and lower body against each other.
Make the right hand poke out more.

[Anonymous No.4381499]

[Anonymous No.4381558]

https://twitter.com/ponzu107_0505/status/1230420876970971136?s=19

[Anonymous No.4382341]

>>4380768
>someone draws something good
>better copy it to pretend i'm practicing
Based perhaps?

[Anonymous No.4382342]

>>4379824
how did you learn to construct like this?

[Anonymous No.4382347]

>>4382342
I drew thousands of loli hips and have gradually added more parts. Nothing unique.

[Anonymous No.4382348]

>>4379000
>You can always tell my art is western
Because you're a westerner, you dumbo. There's nothing wrong with it. Manga has a huge variety of art styles... I mean compare Dr. Slump and Blade of the Immortal. There's nothing wrong with your artstyle being influenced by Western animation.

Saturday's production value is not the greatest but it's also not generally Japanese-style manga. It has none of the characteristics that make manga "Japanese" - watch Manga Senpai's entire playlist and read Manga in Theory and Practice - and it's not the art style. It's the story telling, the pacing, the framing, the beats, the screentone application, the panel backgrounds... That's what makes manga manga. It's not the art style itself.

If you look at the cover of Saturday you posted, there's nothing wrong with the character design itself. It's just everything else that's off. That's the issue. And you can fix all that stuff without trying to erase the influences your western upbringing gave you.

Feel free to move to Japan. Nothing wrong with that. But don't do it because you think it'll "fix" you. There's nothing wrong with you or your art style.

[Anonymous No.4382354]

>>4382348
>Because you're a westerner
stopped reading there, there isn't anything that gives Japanese people an innate ability to draw a certain style.

[Anonymous No.4382367]

>>4382354
You should have read the rest of it, my man.

Japanese people grow up being soaked in a specific culture, a specific art style. Westerners do the same. That's how cultures work and that's how culture gives rise to specific art style influences.

[Anonymous No.4382427]

>>4382348
It's because japanese people actually draw and experiment using anime as a reference.

Westerners use loomis and copy drawing.

[Anonymous No.4382472]

>>4382427
B-but anon-kun, the books you study with and read growing up are also part of your culture. Westerners can't read Japanese and the western How to... manga books are shit.

As I said, this whole debate is fruitless. There's nothing stopping the guy from drawing a Japanese-style manga with his current art style because mange is 99% not the actual character design art style.

[Anonymous No.4382485]

>>4380840
Thanks anon, I’ll try this. I think that definitely conveys more of what I wanted the pose to look like.

[Anonymous No.4382498]

>>4382472
You don't need books with words to study anime. I already know you're wrong. You're a copyfag that doesn't understand a thing.

[Anonymous No.4382527]

>>4382498
> tells me you don't need words
> then calls me a copyfag

Anon, were you dropped on the head when you were young?

[Anonymous No.4382542]

>>4382527
I must be really smart, if your misunderstanding of me is that great. I'll just be sitting here with my art gains, drawing real anime from imagination.

[Anonymous No.4382605]

>>4382542
Wait wait wait hol' up. You're grey-anon?

[Anonymous No.4382614]

>>4382605
Truth so surprising, you're laughing with me.

[Anonymous No.4382618]

>>4382614
Are you able to draw big oppai grey sketch anon

[Anonymous No.4382631]

hau 2 drou amine handes

[Anonymous No.4382636]

i always draw the cranium a bit too small

[Anonymous No.4382641]

>>4382618
Of course not.

[Anonymous No.4382642]

>>4382631
https://twitter.com/hanari0716/status/955019148777500674
>>4382636
Make them bigger then.

[Anonymous No.4382869]

Anyone has any good tutorials on how to draw manly BL-like characters?

Pic sauce is @atami211

[Anonymous No.4382927]

Help lads

[Anonymous No.4382929]

>>4382927
A little stiff

[Anonymous No.4382939]

>>4382929
Thank you, after finishing it I noticed that she looks like she has a broomstick up her asshole. Any tips on how I can make the pose look more natural?

[Anonymous No.4382949]

>>4382927
You need to take a step back and learn about perspective.

[Anonymous No.4382950]

>>4382939
sadly the only way to get better at that is looking to actual ppl and figuring out why ppl do what they do

[Anonymous No.4382952]

>>4382949
Now that I think about it the chest and her pelvis/legs are on two completely different planes (?) Thank you for the critique

[Anonymous No.4382954]

>>4382939
I think part of the problem comes from the fact that her face is staring at the camera directly, and her torso is rigidly straight and almost front-facing as well. It looks a bit unnatural.

I’m pretty /beg/ tier myself so take this with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous No.4383044]

>>4374577
>>4377002
>>4377945
Finally finished all 8 hours of Manga Senpai's videos (59 episodes).

Have at it:
https://mega.nz/#!du4AWaxS!CpQuy3knxPrbiGRC90T0mYFAqlUHj56AWEYG21a05Yg

[Anonymous No.4383191]

>>4382869
>tutorials
fuck off
>>4382927
horrendous, back to fundies for you

[Anonymous No.4383198]

>>4383191
"Back to fundies" just sounds condescending, puts people off studying, and also implies that art is a linear progression of learn fundies -> learn stylization which is not true.
People should study anatomy/perspective concepts based on specific weak points and then figure out how to apply those concepts to anime or whatever else they want to draw. They don't have to stop drawing anime.

[Anonymous No.4383219]

>>4383198
stop drawing anime

[Anonymous No.4383268]

>>4383044
thanks again, mate

[Anonymous No.4383316]

>>4383268
Enjoy buddy. If you haven't, read Manga In Theory And Practice. It's a story writing treasure trove.

[Anonymous No.4383319]

>>4383219
pyw

[Anonymous No.4383436]

>>4383319

[Anonymous No.4383466]

>>4383436
Looks like you could use some fundies yourself there buddy

[Anonymous No.4383473]

>>4383436

[Anonymous No.4383518]

>>4383466
>>4383473
Just trying to further derail these threads thanks for participating

[Anonymous No.4383540]

>>4379998
Not the anon you replied to, but
>krenz rotation exercises
do you have a link to that?

[Anonymous No.4383547]

>>4380263
I didn't know that Drawn Together was shown in Japan!
By the way, link?

[Anonymous No.4384085]

Something had to be done about grey sketch anon...

[Anonymous No.4384128]

>>4384085
based

[Anonymous No.4384221]

this. help.

[Anonymous No.4384227]

>>4383540
i don't have a link but it's basically pic related. you can probably find it online somewhere if you search the filename. it was good practice for me to draw the grid of cubes, and eventually other objects in that set of angles

[Anonymous No.4384230]

>>4384085
nice job, but grey sketch anon doesn't draw hands, so i think you should've left his creation handless. speaking of hands, your cigarette hand is backwards...

[Anonymous No.4384235]

>>4384085
Based and gray pilled.

>>4384221
Ask again in another 100 hours of drawing.

[Anonymous No.4384242]

>>4384230
>speaking of hands, your cigarette hand is backwards...
fuck me, how does this shit get through my rigorous qa

[Anonymous No.4384246]

>>4384242
you clearly were too worried about the rendering

[Anonymous No.4384254]

>>4384230
also, I originally had her as handless, but I thought that that was a little too low effort *ahem*
>>4384246
probably true, I was focused on the rendering because that kind of makes the joke (one in grey and one in color)

[Anonymous No.4384259]

>>4384254
keep it up anon, don't let the fundies sap away your soul

[Anonymous No.4384352]

>>4374577
mfw i tried my hardest and still failed

[Anonymous No.4384362]

>>4384352
wtf bro you failed one drawing, ngmi!

[Anonymous No.4384364]

>>4384362
based fail a thousand times anon

[Anonymous No.4384460]

second time doing anime-like character

[Anonymous No.4384496]

>>4384460
Very good. Good lines, good composition, it's got detail and spaces that are open for your eyes to go. I like it. Do more of this You could be something great in the future.

[Anonymous No.4384497]

>>4384496
>coomer
begone

[Anonymous No.4384510]

>>4384496
You know what, everything you said is extremely very true.

[Anonymous No.4384519]

>>4384460
namori-sensei?!

[Anonymous No.4384523]

>>4384510
>gay sketch feels the need to weigh in on everything

[Anonymous No.4384560]

proportions again and learning how clothes work

[Anonymous No.4384704]

>>4384364
>>4384362
but usually i can see the mistake so i wont make it next time. i have no idea what im doing wrong.

[Anonymous No.4384822]

Chiren from Alita

[Anonymous No.4384864]

[Anonymous No.4385027]

[Anonymous No.4385887]

It's bad. Critique please, thank you.

[Anonymous No.4385942]

>>4385887
I think the face is taking up too much of the head, especially since you drew where the hair meets on top which suggests a perspective from slightly above, which would mean even more hair and less face visible (also that perspective doesn't match the rest of the drawing). Also the shape of her irises weirds me out, it's kind of like you drew them like you would for half-closed eyes then just stretched them out.

It's still better than most of what /ic/ posts though

[Anonymous No.4385947]

>>4385887
The eyes are not correctly sized/ placed. Work on your lines. Its very stiff and not well constructed, its clear you just drew this with no fundamental knowledge. I would work on those.
>>4385942
>It's still better than most of what /ic/ posts though
No

[Anonymous No.4385973]

>>4385942
Now that I look at it, her irises do look too thin. The hair perspective is definitely messed up, but I don't understand it at all.
>It's still better than most of what /ic/ posts though
Thanks anon
>>4385947
>its clear you just drew this with no fundamental knowledge.
That's true. I really enjoy drawing but reading about how to drawing puts me to sleep, not that I think I shouldn't do it. Is there any thing specifically I can do/work on to make my lines better? They always come out wobbly and inconsistent.
Anyways thanks for the critique anons.

[Anonymous No.4385977]

>>4385973
Draw with your shoulder not your wrist. Do drills of filling a page with circles of the same size, ellipses, lines of the same size and direction, cylinders in different perspectives, etc.

[Anonymous No.4386028]

>>4383547
288865

[Anonymous No.4386163]

hmmmm my hands still suck but i like how the eyes turned out

[Anonymous No.4386170]

>>4386163
>5 fingers and no thumb
I think just about everyone struggles with hands at the start but you could start with at least getting the basic layout of the digits right.

And yeah, the first time I digitally shaded an eye and made it shiny I was all "holy fuck this is like magic"

[Anonymous No.4386173]

>>4378170
Copying one piece is a bad idea. Just like Attack on titan, they're entirely held up by their story rather than by the art.

[Anonymous No.4386212]

i'm looking for criticism but don't rekt me too hard

also
1. something about the head/face. i thought the eyes were too far apart but they're about one eye of distance. tried lifting them but looked worse to me. maybe format of the face? not idea what it is desu
2. shadows/shading/whatever you call it is probably terrible but i have no idea how to do that shit and all the material seems to be either magic or very specific situations
3. i straight up traced stuff here, i'm mostly looking to get the proportions right at the moment while hoping to pick other skills

[Anonymous No.4386214]

>>4386212
The problem with you people is trying to immediately be able to create finished products without even knowing how to fucking draw.

[Anonymous No.4386215]

>>4386214
i can't tell if the proportions are right if it's just loose scribbles

[Anonymous No.4386218]

>>4386215
Its called a gesture drawing and yes you can

[Anonymous No.4386222]

>>4386218
isn't that using a mannequin? i draw the mannequin first then add the details, but i want the character to be relatively thick and the mannequins used in the examples i saw don't convey that. as far as i can tell, each artist uses different proportions when drawing their stuff (stylized i suppose). so what i'm trying to do is find the proportions of the mannequin so i can start posing it. but if i can't even do it from the front, then i dunno

[Anonymous No.4386226]

>>4386222
It's not a mannequin, it's a gesture meant to convey action or flow, and proportion. Then construction is added on top, then anatomy, etc.

[Anonymous No.4386227]

>>4386226
what book is that, i'll give it a try

[Anonymous No.4386236]

>>4386227
Michael Hampton - Figure Drawing Design and Invention
He covers the basics of form, gesture, and construction, and then gets into anatomy.

[Anonymous No.4386259]

i am hopelessly addicted to maids

[Anonymous No.4386262]

>>4386259
ummmmm based department?

[Anonymous No.4386263]

>>4384560
moar

[Anonymous No.4386267]

>>4386212
Practice figures and learn how to draw hands and feet early on.

[Anonymous No.4386295]

>>4386173
You're not wrong :) I study a bunch of different stuff, trying to find my style. I just happened to grab that one for the comment.

[Anonymous No.4386361]

>>4386259
Based

[Anonymous No.4386375]

learning how to make heads, plz crit.

[Anonymous No.4386401]

>>4386375

[Anonymous No.4386415]

>>4386375
Loomis

[Anonymous No.4386497]

Any anime male(male) styles that you really like?
@Af_Cf_ was my principal reference but Id like to try something more cartoony.

[Anonymous No.4386512]

This is from the artist @qyuandee3, I'm wondering if there are any other artists that come to mind that draw like this? Really like the tones on the equipment and the almost chibi like proportions on the gfl character

[Anonymous No.4386532]

[Anonymous No.4386663]

does this count as anime, either way I fucked up

[Anonymous No.4386967]

>>4386663
The original has much thinner lines and is mainly cel shaded with minimal blending, you didn't do either of these things. What was your goal here

[Anonymous No.4387008]

>>4386375
Not a perfect edit but maybe it helps if you overlay your lineart and compare.

[Anonymous No.4387107]

>>4387008
Thank you

[Anonymous No.4387460]

>>4384560
>>4384864
>>4385027
>>4386263
>>4386295
>>4386497
These are all really nice! Keep it up!

>>4384822
>>4386532
>>4386663
These look kind of /alt/ but if you're studying anime then keep working on going that direction.

[Anonymous No.4387464]

I need help with the shoulders, I tried applying Hampton and Anatomy for Sculptors to understand the connection between scapula/clavicle/deltoid/trapezius but I'm having a hard time.
Part of the shoulders will be covered by the hair but I want to learn this before

[Anonymous No.4387465]

>>4387464
My interpretation of what I read in the books

[Anonymous No.4387469]

>>4387464
>>4387465
I don't get it. What's the issue? What's your question? Obviously you'll have a hard time since it seems like your first time.

[Anonymous No.4387535]

>>4387469
Okay, I'll try to explain, first I want to indicate the trapezius coming from behind the neck but in a way that the figure for being female does not look very beefy.
I want something like this Jeanne in pic related but still transmitting that there is a muscle going through there.
I'm also having a hard time identifying which muscle passes between the chest and the arm, just above the armpits.

And the sternocleidomastoid that starts behind the ears and ends at the tips of the clavicles, but since the neck of a female figure is very thin, I don’t see how to connect this muscle behind the ear without going through the jaw, which would make it look strange.

Related pic are some images I used to try to explain this better

[Anonymous No.4387550]

>>4387535
You could just add a slight bump or whatever you think looks fine. Women have lean muscle anyways. That's not muscle of the pec or shoulder. That's skin. The pecs as you already know insert under the deltoid.

[Anonymous No.4387565]

>>4387550
Yeah, as you said, because this is the first time it seems rocket science to me, I hope it gets clearer with more miliage. Thanks

[Anonymous No.4387603]

I think i fucked up the construction of the hips somewhere along the lines

[Anonymous No.4387630]

>>4387603
For me the pelvis would be turned a little forward(female characteristic) and tilted on her left, since the left leg is supporting more weight in this pose, as suggested by the contrapposto.

Anyway wait to see what other people will say

[Anonymous No.4387641]

>>4387008
is this right?

[Anonymous No.4387856]

>>4387464
I think you're being unnecessarily hard on yourself. You did well. The figure is clothed too so some of the detail in the muscle will be lost to the contours of the clothes.

>>4387535
For the trapezius, I think you did a good job. If you want it more pronounced, lessen the curve to a straighter line.

I think the "just above the armpit" bit is fat and skin, because it gets more pronounced the fatter the person is. In your case, I think you drew it too large (?). It shouldn't be that close to her boobs.

My suggestion, if you want to grind this, just draw fit women first, then work your way up to anime tits. If you can control your coom brain for a second, go to /s/ and search for "fit".

[Anonymous No.4388148]

>>4387856
thanks lad, after this drawing I'll do what you said and grind some fit girls
here is a version with some colors after doing the values in greyscale, I still need to refine the lines and paint over the flatten image

[Anonymous No.4388238]

>>4387641
resize your fucking images

[Anonymous No.4388264]

>>4387641
faces are not flat surfaces, they have different planes even anime faces aren't flat, i don't want to say study loomis but go study the planes of the face to have a better understanding of faces in general.

[Anonymous No.4388266]

>Try to draw on paper
>Can sketch stuff just fine
>Try to draw on digital
>Cannot sketch for shit, everything looks wonky and wrist starts hurting like hell after a few minutes
>Everything takes 10 times longer
A few months down the line and I still cannot get used to it. Doesn't help the fact that since its a painful experience I end up going back to paper most of the time. Pretty sure I'm doing something extremely wrong and there has to be a better way!

[Anonymous No.4388267]

>>4387641
>>4388264
You should also copy lots of examples of anime faces and notice how the features bend to conform to the curved surface of the face.

[Anonymous No.4388271]

>>4388266
Why not draw on paper and scan

[Anonymous No.4388273]

>>4388266
Had the same problem, my wrist hurt because the tablet was too small and cant draw without using the wrist. i had to buy a bigger teblet and actually helped. but everyone has diferent results, some artist like artgerm still uses a small ass tablet.

[Anonymous No.4388277]

>>4388271
Is there any artist that does this in practice with decent results?

[Anonymous No.4388298]

>>4388277
Yes, lots

[Anonymous No.4388300]

>>4388298
Can you provide an example?

[Anonymous No.4388306]

>>4388300
The guy who does the Darling in the FranXX manga
One of the guys in one episode of Manben
Cameron Scott Davis (never heard of this guy before last night but I just happened to be watching his video on Gnomon Workshop and he scanned in a sketch)
It's literally hundreds of people, it's super common. You will have to ink over your sketch in a new layer though. It probably wouldn't look good to just straight use it as part of the final image.

[Anonymous No.4388311]

>>4388277
Paper and Scan is pretty much the same as linear sketching or your initial layers on digital.
You'll still need to do your confident lines unless you're painting.

>>4388266
>>4388273
You guys need to get used drawing with your shoulder it eases pressure on your wrist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqKY_2GcwI

[Anonymous No.4388317]

>>4388311
yeah, i bought a bigger tablet to use my arm for that same reason. small shitty intuos tablet are useless

[Anonymous No.4388320]

>>4388277
>>4388306
Actually.
David Finch did a video series with a couple other guys where they both sketched and inked a comic book cover on paper, then scanned it in and only did the coloring digitally. So if you really want to avoid doing digital linework completely, you can, if you put in the effort to make your drawing on paper very clean and finalized. You can apply some filters and touchups to the scanned image if needed.
That approach is overall less common though than paper sketch and then doing both inking and painting digitally.

[Anonymous No.4388326]

>>4388311
>You guys need to get used drawing with your shoulder it eases pressure on your wrist
Most animators and mangaka I've seen draw from the wrist and fingers primarily.
Drawing from the shoulder really only works with large life drawings in pencil since you don't have to be super accurate when using pencil and you can just fuzz out the lines afterwards.
With comics and stuff where lineart actually matters you get a lot more precision from your wrist and fingers.
Just take breaks every 30 minutes or so. Stretch your hands and fingers, walk around for a bit and you should be fine.

[Anonymous No.4388434]

>>4388326
These threads are always filled with retards who can't get enough of excuses excuses excuses, blah blah blah, help me but I don't wanna work, same old shit. Drawing with your shoulder is objectively less stressful on your body than your wrist and is very important to learn how to do for vastly better lines
>b-but the mangakas I watch don't do it
ok?
>you get a lot more precision
yeah unless you practice with your shoulder, i can think of very few instances where the precision from your wrist is absolutely necessary, but again, with you people its all about
>but learning how to do something would take EFFORT so NO, here's ten reasons why I'm not gonna change but keep complaining anyway
>walk around for a bit
kek what the fuck does that have to do with your wrist, fuck off

[Anonymous No.4388443]

>>4388266
Just watch some digital artist streams and replicate what you like of their workflow. If you really don't know fuckall about digital fundamentals then you can also try Ctrl+Paint, better then blindly headbutting buttons.

[Anonymous No.4388449]

>>4388434
pyw if drawing from your shoulder is so much better :)

[Anonymous No.4388455]

>>4388326
I somewhat agree. I have been drawing from my shoulder for a very long time now and am very comfortable doing it but all of my drawings somehow look worse than back when I just used my wrist.

[Anonymous No.4388462]

>>4388449
>Found the retarded /beg/.

>>4388434
What did you expect from the anime equivalent of /beg/?

[Anonymous No.4388465]

>>4388326
don't spoonfeed, let people find out on their own.

[Anonymous No.4388515]

So, guys, besides the shitty anatomy that I'm doing loomis studies at the side.... I was wondering if someone could help me with inking and lineweight.

What can I do to make it feel more anime-like?


inb4 You need study anatomy before inking... i know dude, but I'm a hobbists, not trying to "make it" and sometimes I do drawings for fun to keep my sanity

[Anonymous No.4388538]

>>4388515
I just lost the whole post I typed out.
Something looks anime because it has anime proportions, not because it has a certain style of linework.
That being said there are patterns and you can learn them by drawing copies of god anime. For example in your irises there in the eyes, you have basically a single unbroken line of uniform weight. Study anime eyes to see where they increase the line weight and insert breaks. Repeat for every other body part.

[Anonymous No.4388540]

>>4388538
*good anime not god anime

[Anonymous No.4388544]

>>4388538
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.4388563]

>>4386512
Check out the japanese side of Twitter there are tons who draw like this.

There used to be an anon who did too but I think he is long gone.@godsh0t on twitter

[Anonymous No.4388573]

>>4374577
what is the name of the ''japanese Loomis''? I forgot

[Anonymous No.4388577]

>>4388573
hitokaku.

[Anonymous No.4388586]

>>4388515
To add what anon said >>4388538
Look for an anime style that you like, can be your favorite doujin, illustrator, etc. and try copying their forms(lines, coloring, etc.)
You need a base for studying before you can use your own imagination.

[Anonymous No.4388596]

>>4388577
thanks

[Anonymous No.4388616]

>>4388449
Yep, anything for you to keep being ignorant and ignore advice

[Anonymous No.4388620]

>>4388515
It looks like shit because you're shit at drawing and don't know what you're doing, it's really that fucking simple unfortunately. No one cares you're "not trying to make it" or "just a hobbyist", it looks bad because its bad. Get better at drawing first, the issue isn't your fucking lineweight for fuck's sake.

[Anonymous No.4388624]

>>4388586
Awesome! Thank you for the advice. Just one last thing.

Any good anime artists you can redomend me for lineart?

[Anonymous No.4388636]

>>4388624
>Any good anime artists you can redomend me for lineart?
this fucking baffles me, why do you even want to draw anime, do you have zero inspiration at all? you really can't find some artists you like on your own, you have to ask someone else to form a taste for you?
>>4388515
>guys help me but I don't want any real advice, just anything to minimize effort, its ok im just doing it for fun lol
yeah I draw for fun too but I'm actually trying to improve, not find some kind of hack to make me seem better than I am
excuses excuses excuses fuck all of you

[Anonymous No.4388644]

>>4388636
Who said I'm not trying to improve? Dude chillout with your trolling.

Just asking some artist to study isn't wrong.

[Anonymous No.4388653]

>>4388644
YOU said you're not trying to improve by immediately saying you'll ignore advice to get better at anatomy. Because that's not even the half of what you need to work on, yet you don't care because you just do it for fun as a hobby, as if that's some valid reason to not try.
And I find asking for an artist to study pathetic because that should be something you find on your own, you're really fucking hitting rock bottom levels of laziness.

[Anonymous No.4388662]

>>4388653
Please Learn to read.

I said I'm studying Loomis trying to improve. But I wanted advice for lineart because that's another skills.

Asking for good artists for inspiration isn't lazy. Seriouly? Are you this stupid?

Unless this is a troll, in that case you got me good. Congrats.

[Anonymous No.4388666]

>>4388653
Please Learn to read.

I said I'm studying Loomis trying to improve. I never said I would ignore anatomy advice.

But that I wanted advice for lineart because that's another skill I want to work in.

Asking for good artists for inspiration isn't lazy. Seriouly? Are you this stupid?

Unless this is a troll, in that case, you got me good. Congrats.

[Anonymous No.4388678]

>>4388666
You're a fucking retard
>inb4 You need study anatomy before inking... i know dude, but I'm a hobbists, not trying to "make it" and sometimes I do drawings for fun to keep my sanity
this is called an excuse. its called "please don't criticize me for this".
And yes it is lazy. Do you not know how to use the internet? I feel like your type is usually some kind of boomer that has never even watched anime. How about you go on twitter, pixiv, any booru site, look around, and find artists you personally like. No one can tell what you like except you.

[Anonymous No.4388683]

>>4388678

Seriously, LEARN TO READ.

It's not a please "don't criticize this". It was a "please criticize this too"

And no, asking artist people like isn't lazy. Grow up.

I'm gonna discard your opinion as this is just a lazy troll attempt. I refuse to believe anyone alive is that brain dead.

[Anonymous No.4388700]

>>4388683
Lmao you really think you can just rewrite history, that's clearly not asking for criticism on anatomy you bonehead.
>Telling me to grow up when your art literally looks like it was drawn by a 5 year old
nice, can you name a single artist you like? maybe you should start exploring on your own bud, mom isn't here to hold your hand anymore

[Anonymous No.4388724]

>>4388653
>>4388678
>he still hasn't posted his work despite being asked to multiple times ITT
just post it already fuckboy.
no one is going to take you "advice" seriously if you won't even post a little doodle.

[Anonymous No.4388747]

>>4388724
here's some recent things you fuck. but I know you're just gonna pick it apart to find reasons to keep ignoring what I'm saying

[Anonymous No.4388749]

>>4388747
>draws in pencil
>talks about line quality
I'm done.
This entire board is like an insane asylum.

[Anonymous No.4388752]

>>4388749
Yeah maybe you should give it a try, it'll help your lines out.

[Anonymous No.4388755]

>>4388747
draw 5000 hands before ever posting on here ever again.

[Anonymous No.4388756]

>>4388666
He's not wrong on looking for an anime artists part, if you really want to learn the art then you should had at least one artist that inspires you or had deep dive the character that you just made.

In this case since you posted a doodle of Tamamo no Mae from the fate franchise then I'll assume that's kind of style you're trying to achieve. Googling the character gave me the name of the artist. Googled the artist, got a wiki for a game and an anime. Checked the anime wiki and see all the artist's socials/galleries.
https://www.wadarco.info/
https://twitter.com/tsubuanfes

Outside of that, we also have youtube, that has pretty much every tutorials for free.
Tho I think the other anon is just having a bad day.

[Anonymous No.4388766]

>>4388755
if you're seriously >>4388515 this guy and you're telling me to draw 5000 hands before ever posting again then I would like you to kill yourself

[Anonymous No.4388768]

>>4388766
good thing i'm not that guy

[Anonymous No.4388771]

>/beg/s arguing as usual.
Some of you fuckers have ego issues.

[Anonymous No.4388780]

>>4388749
At least the anon posted his work. How about you do the same? Unless you’re >>4388586?

[Anonymous No.4388804]

>>4388780
Anon.... wrong guy...

[Anonymous No.4388805]

>>4388804
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.4388867]

>>4388747
Shit carbon copies of the hampton book that he tries to pass as his mad with pencil

>Opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.4388886]

>>4388867
Lmao that's your attempt at criticism? Never claimed they were from imagination, they're pretty clearly studies of the muscles. Let's see your studies bud

[Anonymous No.4388892]

>>4388749
Biggest retard ITT

[Anonymous No.4388924]

>>4388443
The part I don't get it is the part that I can't get to see. Namely why their wrist doesn't hurt after a couple of minutes and why they don't need to erase a line 100 times to come up alright. They all just show their screen and go without stopping and some of them just undo their lines once or twice.

[Anonymous No.4389033]

>>4388747
Blog?

[Anonymous No.4389465]

>>4388264
Thank you for the advice, i'm going through "Its-Fun-Drawing-People-Face-&-Head" right now.

[Anonymous No.4390159]

Help lads

[Anonymous No.4390423]

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[Anonymous No.4390549]

I have a very cartoony art style. Would studying anime still be good for basic character anatomy?