/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4369505]

Can you gesture like me anon?

[Anonymous No.4369506]

>>4369505
No I can’t. Been doing gesture for months and I’m still not good at it

[Anonymous No.4369507]

Nice. Keep it up anon.

[Anonymous No.4369521]

>>4369505

Not quite, but I'd like to be as clean as you some day anon.

>t. one-minute pose I did yesterday from Croquis Cafe

[Anonymous No.4369528]

>>4369505
teach me your ways anon

[Anonymous No.4369532]

>>4369506
Gestures are really hard, since you kind of stylizing and using your imagination a little, and if you're not used to it. you just need to keep at it.

[Anonymous No.4369536]

>>4369521
Looks good, keep at it, I drew gestures every day for a month to be able to draw in me OP pic.

[Anonymous No.4369543]

feeeel the fooooooorm

[Anonymous No.4369551]

>>4369532
It’s a damn shame really. I worked on Hampton’s gesture for months and have picked up Vilppu’s which is a lot easier but have decided to stop hyper focusing on gesture so much and to just do some figure drawings and doing gesture before to establish how I want the figure to look. I heard someone say that I should move on because gesture looks solid with a better understanding of the human figure so incorporating both is clearly necessary for my improvement

[Anonymous No.4369556]

>>4369505
I can, but i don't want to.

[Anonymous No.4369570]

>>4369521

you're constructing not gesturing

[Anonymous No.4369573]

>>4369505
how many seconds?

[Anonymous No.4369576]

>>4369521
read vilppu drawing manual first chapter, you need to use mostly curves and sometimes s curves

[Anonymous No.4369577]

>>4369573
30

[Anonymous No.4369579]

>>4369577
If you are not lying, then it is impresive, can you manage foreshortening limbes pointing towards you?

[Anonymous No.4369581]

>>4369579
limbs*

[Anonymous No.4369584]

>>4369579
I can do simpler poses, I'm still working on foreshortening.

[Anonymous No.4369589]

>>4369536

Thanks, I know I have to keep at it.

>>4369570
>>4369576

I'll keep these in mind too, t-thanks

[Anonymous No.4369649]

>>4369505
All my gestures always end up like shitty contour drawings

[Anonymous No.4369658]

mine look like stickmen still

[Anonymous No.4370273]

Heres another

[Anonymous No.4370294]

>>4369505
>>4370273
I don't like how you draw elbows, that shit isn't representative of the anatomy, don't do this.

[Anonymous No.4370301]

>>4370294
> he believes that the gesture is supposed to be full representational of the real anatomy

[Anonymous No.4370306]

>>4370301
It is supposed to represent anatomy to some degree.

[Anonymous No.4370316]

>>4370306
I said "fully", gesture is more of an abstract representation of a human.

[Anonymous No.4370321]

>>4369505
that's how I started doing gesture when I first watched how Proko does it. Its basically an exaggeration of Prokos gestures and it takes a while to get rid of that zigzag habit and do it right.

[Anonymous No.4370324]

>>4370316
He's right though, the way you draw forearms is fucking you up, they don't properly connect with the rest of the arm.

[Anonymous No.4370326]

>>4370316
>I said "fully"
I know, that's why I found it necessary to correct you, I don't like when people put words in my mouth.

[Anonymous No.4370329]

>>4370324
There are loads of different ways to draw gesture, this is my way.

[Anonymous No.4370333]

>>4370326
Because you didn't seem to understand what I meant.

[Anonymous No.4370342]

>>4370294
Found the retarded /beg/

[Anonymous No.4370355]

imagine the smell of his finished peices

[Anonymous No.4370358]

shitty stiff disproportionate 'gesture drawings'
with wings and horse feet.

[Anonymous No.4370381]

>>4370358
post yours then

[Anonymous No.4370408]

>>4370381
why? are you unable to process the validity of my crit without seeing my work?

[Anonymous No.4370419]

>>4370408
Yes, how will I know you aren't just a crab?

[Anonymous No.4370434]

That you are unable judge the veracity of the crits here is your issue; not mine.
This is why you fail.

[Anonymous No.4370438]

[Anonymous No.4370439]

>>4369505
I don't think the scythe elbows are necessary but it's nice besides that

[Anonymous No.4370440]

[Anonymous No.4370456]

>>4370438
>>4370440
Now you're adding incorrect boobs to your wrong anatomy. Dude I'm telling you, this shit isn't healthy for your skills.

[Anonymous No.4370459]

>>4370456
What stopping you from pyw?

[Anonymous No.4370460]

>>4370440
Now you're just embarrassing yourself

[Anonymous No.4370462]

>>4370460
Ok crab

[Anonymous No.4370464]

>>4370462
Anytime DK

[Anonymous No.4370465]

>>4370459
Pearls before swine.

[Anonymous No.4370469]

>>4370465
Just pyw, its not hard.

[Anonymous No.4370475]

>>4370469
seething

[Anonymous No.4370491]

>>4369505
either gesture like me and post your work, if you don't well then that's a different story I guess.

[Anonymous No.4370492]

>>4370438
>>4370440
these are pretty weak,

[Anonymous No.4370500]

>>4370459
Alright, here's my latest drawing, not finished. Fucked up the hands and made them messy while trying to fix them.

>>4370465
>>4370475
This isn't me.

[Anonymous No.4370502]

>>4370500
You also fucked up the legs.

[Anonymous No.4370506]

>>4370502
What do you mean exactly?

[Anonymous No.4370507]

>>4370506
They look stiff, to straight.

[Anonymous No.4370513]

>>4370507
Hm, maybe you're right. Ironically, I need to practice gesture more, I haven't done it in a while.

[Anonymous No.4370516]

>>4370500
Did you copy this? her left leg looks off never mind the stifness it looks that way because the line quality, but keep going man, i give you points for using pen.

[Anonymous No.4370520]

>>4370516
Copy? If you mean referenced, no.

>her left leg looks off
Like, in what way?

[Anonymous No.4370523]

>>4370520
too slim compared to the right one, which i why i asked you if you referenced it

[Anonymous No.4370532]

>>4370500
the legs are fine. I recommend adopting another shading method as currently her arm and breast look covered in fur.

[Anonymous No.4370543]

God my gestures are so hot they make me cooooom

[Anonymous No.4370545]

>>4370543
proko's gestures

[Anonymous No.4370548]

>>4370523
Well, the right one is slightly rotated so you see more of its side.

>>4370532
>I recommend adopting another shading method as currently her arm and breast look covered in fur.
I'm in the process of figuring out a good shading style.

[Anonymous No.4370549]

>>4370545
No they are mine since I drew them.

[Anonymous No.4370554]

>>4370549
they are ok, how many seconds? i usually find really hard to make them under 30 seconds

[Anonymous No.4370563]

>>4370554
I make mine in 60 seconds

[Anonymous No.4370565]

>>4370554
There's really not much point in doing them as quickly as possible. If you can focus on the motion of the whole body, and make a good, clean, simple representation of it, but it takes you one, two minutes, it's fine.

[Anonymous No.4370569]

>>4370548
continue to post in the sketchbook thread. I will help you.

[Anonymous No.4370628]

>>4370569
Oh, okay, I kinda forgot about it.

[Anonymous No.4370715]

>>4370545
What's wrong with them?

[Anonymous No.4372360]

My gestures are so hot

[Anonymous No.4372363]

>>4369505
No

[Anonymous No.4372512]

>>4370554
They don't necessarily have to be under X amount of seconds, but the time contraints do force you to be as concise as possible, conveying the subject with the most efficient usage of strokes.

[Anonymous No.4372518]

>>4369505
I can't gesture at all. In a drawing course, the teacher got tired of me fucking around so I was the model everytime while everyone else drew gestures. Just couldn't draw even a fucking stick figure in a minute.

[Anonymous No.4372547]

>draw lots of stick figures really fast
Is this the ultimate crab advice?

[Anonymous No.4372567]

>>4372360
I could fap to this

[Anonymous No.4372570]

>>4369505
longest lines first, anon

[January 31st No.4372595]

>>4369505
Not exactly.

[Anonymous No.4372608]

>>4372570
but they look flat if i just do longest lines

[Anonymous No.4372624]

>>4372608
so?
You can represent 3d form afterwards; the gesture only needs to be a guide.

[Anonymous No.4372807]

>>4372595
That's not gesture

[Anonymous No.4372817]

>>4372595
That’s just a figure drawing

[Anonymous No.4372819]

>>4372570
That's line of action, not gesture.
No, they're not the same thing.

[Anonymous No.4372828]

I don't really know what I'm doing

[January 31st No.4372871]

>>4372807
There are many ways to draw gesture. The way Proko teaches is not the singular correct way, it's just an approach. Particularly a beginner-friendly approach for those having difficulty wrapping their mind around the concept of gesture.

Structure is not opposite to gesture. Look at Bridgman to see what gestural construction looks like. Gesture drawing has less rules than you think.

[Anonymous No.4372883]

>>4369505
Much better.

[Anonymous No.4373004]

>>4372883
Pyw then

[Anonymous No.4373070]

>>4369505
No. Can you gesture like me?

[Anonymous No.4373096]

>>4373004
I haven't done studies in ages, sorry anon.

[Anonymous No.4373595]

>>4369543
thought this was paper and pencil, is this a custom brush?

[Anonymous No.4373892]

much better than you i fear

you are not letting your arm flow through the paper.
use long lines first, seems like your drawing with toothpicks. also control your pressure, you are putting too much pressure in the beggining of each stroke.

[Anonymous No.4373931]

>>4373096
It only takes a minute or two.

[Anonymous No.4373976]

can somebody tell me why people spend time doing gestures? It seems kind of worthless... You don't need them to make natural looking poses

[Anonymous No.4373983]

>>4373976
Lol pyw

[Anonymous No.4374001]

>>4373976
No, but you do need them to make varied and dynamic looking poses.

[Anonymous No.4374006]

>>4373976
pyw fag

[Anonymous No.4374080]

>>4369505
Don't know, you tell me

[Anonymous No.4374090]

[Anonymous No.4374102]

First of all the purpose of a gesture is to build on top of it like a foundation. It can be literally scribbles with no direction or motion but it can have shapes. Most of time if you are doing illustrations its going to be quick scribbles for shapes like for the hands and feet as examples. They make lots of shapes so its good practice to build on top of quick scribbles to get the form down. Doing shit like OP Or these figures with sense of motion are really only useful for animation.
>>4369521 anything that looks like this in the thread is not a gesture, its just figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.4374104]

>>4374080
Both are more figure drawing than gesture. If the body has some kind of construction and well put/semi rendered aspect to it, then its figure drawing not gesture.

[Anonymous No.4374113]

>>4374090
>>4374080
>>4373892
>>4372871
>>4372828
>>4372570
>>4372360
>>4370543
>>4370440
>>4370438
>>4370273
>>4369543
>>4369521
>>4369505
>>4372363

Not gestures.
>>4372512
literally the only one that got it semi right

http://www.arts.rpi.edu/~ruiz/AdvancedDigitalImaging/GestureDrawingLecture.htm

read this because you morons dont know shit.
its like none of you know how to have fun.

[Anonymous No.4374115]

>>4374113
>its like none of you know how to have fun
I unironically dont

[Anonymous No.4374125]

>>4374113
You're scribbling. That's not gesture lmao

[Anonymous No.4374127]

>>4374113
Retard, also is your pic how you think you should do gestures? Lmao.

[Anonymous No.4374131]

>>4374125
>>4374127
if you read the fucking link you would now thats how gestures are done. if there is any form of deliberate mark making, aka construction and implied drawing, its just figure drawing not gesture. The gesture you're thinking of is not the same as gesture drawing.

[Anonymous No.4374154]

>>4374131
You just started drawing a few weeks ago right? Because beginners think there is only one way to draw gesture

[Anonymous No.4374158]

>>4374154
>Because beginners think there is only one way to draw gesture
you dumbass, that is the only way to draw gesture. anything els after this is just figure drawing. lets see what you consider a gesture drawing mr.anon.

if you have to make these delicate strokes like most of these apes in the thread, its not a gesture.

[Anonymous No.4374170]

>>4374113
>>4374131
Figure Drawing for Artists [Steve Huston]

[Anonymous No.4374183]

>>4374158
Stupid /beg/, those scribbles you linked are just one way to approach gesture drawing. I make my gestures scribbly too, but your shit here >>4374113 is just a mess that has absolutely nothing to do with gesture. Read some other books, you'll see other approaches to gesture. These are all gestures >>4374090 >>4374080 >>4372360 >>4369543, some are better than others, but they are gestures.

[Anonymous No.4374188]

>arguing over the best way to draw stick figures
STILL waiting for someone to show me a pro artist (not an art teacher) who actually does this "gesture" shit.
Just one.

[Anonymous No.4374189]

>>4374170
>>4374183
its like you retards dont know the difference between figure drawing and gesture drawing. im done lol.

again if these lines are too neat ant tidy, have direction and are delicate. That is not gesture drawing.

[Anonymous No.4374190]

>>4374188
you dont need to be a fucking pro to do gesture, its literally scribbles its literally the only form of drawing that lets you have fun, figure drawing has too many rules and shit you follow. gesture does not.

[Anonymous No.4374195]

>>4374190
You misunderstood me completely.
Show me a professional artist who starts their drawings with a Vilppu/Proko/Hampton gesture. Show me someone who actually does it.

[Anonymous No.4374196]

>>4374190
>its literally the only form of drawing that lets you have fun,
It's the one thing that killed drawing for me for years.

[Anonymous No.4374198]

>>4374195
>>4374196
literal brainlets, just fuck off 4chan and go re-learn drawing. Do it before you make another whiny thread crying that you're approaching 30 years old and still shit at drawing.

also as of now this thread is just now figure drawing because none of you, i repeat. none of you know what gesture drawing is and how its used.

[Anonymous No.4374201]

>>4374198
I've noticed that people get really angry when I point out that no professional artists actually make gesture drawings. Why is that?
If gesture is such a powerful and important method then why can't anyone show me a working artist actually using it?

[Anonymous No.4374204]

>>4374189
>thinks he has a patent on how to draw

[Anonymous No.4374209]

>>4374198
Jokes on you, I'm already 32 and shit

[Anonymous No.4374213]

>>4374188
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gI62rHNtg2w

[Anonymous No.4374228]

>>4374195
Almost all of them, but for practice.
You practice a certain way and when it's time to draw for a finished piece, you draw straight on because you want to get a bit of randomness and spontaneity in your shapes and gestures that wouldn't be there had you followed a strict procedure.

Same with construction lines - the whole debate about anti-constructionist art misses the point of construction.

[Anonymous No.4374237]

>>4374189
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about;
legitimately zero clue.
gesture drawing isn't making a bunch of fucking squiggles on a page until you can make out something that vaguely resembles a human form.
People that know how to draw gesture can make it a bunch of squiggles, but they know what they're doing and are creating chaos purposefully, while you're just an ignorant beginner haphazardly moving a pencil around on a piece of paper hoping to get something right.
There is a difference.
Most current day great art instructors and artist that focus almost entirely on gesture will recommend approaching gesture drawing with clear and precise strokes and encourage their students to try and capture the gesture in as few strokes as possible. I doubt you would know of any such teachers as they would have slapped the retardation out of you.
>its literally the only form of drawing that lets you have fun
you must be complete shit at drawing if you believe this. If you can't find enjoyment out of exercising your knowledge and skill in drawing to create something on paper from what you either see in front of you or in your mind then you must not be able to draw anything beyond a scribble that looks good.

>>4374201
search up Richard Powell. He's on instagram.
One thing to consider is that professional artists would have already practiced their gesture drawing enough to just imagine the pose and create from there. Gesture Drawing is just a way for people to learn gesture, then once you've got it you move on. It's like skipping a step because you're skilled enough. Same with construction, once you've internalized it you don't need to physically do it.
Another thing to consider is that you're not going to see a professional artists sketches anyway. How many times have you seen a pro artist post every stage of their drawing for people to see. You're fucking lucky to even see the finished sketch before they add onto it further.

[Anonymous No.4374242]

>>4374113
What you drew is not a gestureand it looks like you scribbled the shit out of it you retarded beg

[Anonymous No.4374281]

my daily warmup

[Anonymous No.4377745]

>>4369505
Could someone explain what the actual difference between gesture and figure drawing is? Reading through this thread just made me more confused than I was

[Anonymous No.4377752]

>>4377745
Gesture is just the pose, action or movement that the figure is doing, is easier to draw it if you only use curves, s curves or straight lines, dont focus in the details or the contour, just the gesture (what the pose is doing) you can do it in a lot of ways, as long the gesture drawing make sense and you immediately see what the figure is "doing". The one who explains it better i think is vilppu in his book the drawing manual, is just like 3 pages if you are curious, read it.

[Anonymous No.4377755]

>>4374113
Either a troll or a massive Dunning-Kruger lol

[Anonymous No.4377761]

>>4377745
also the "figure drawing" is all the concepts and fundamentals to draw the human figure, look at this example >>4374080 both tells you what the figure is doing by using simple lines. Also the the second one is more gestural.

[Anonymous No.4377768]

>>4377745
Watch Vilppu. Feel the form.

[Anonymous No.4378991]

>>4374158
> he thinks these
>>4374080
> are delicate strokes

The only way to be more ngmi than you is to never pick up a pencil in your life. And honestly I wish you never had.

[Anonymous No.4379141]

Can someone show examples of gesture being done on small surfaces? Like an intuos medium
I've been making gestures on a small 9.7in tablet but I don't feel like it flows

[Anonymous No.4379146]

>>4369532
How is it that people say this.. and Thank you stylised the gesture by adding close colours over it and all the Amawus say you can't draw? Wtf

[Anonymous No.4379150]

>>4374113
Scribbling is not gesture.
It might unironically be superior to gesture though.

[Anonymous No.4379192]

>>4379146
I dont understand

[Anonymous No.4379197]

>>4379192
Think about lister.

He paints a loose gesteral shape like these... and then people say it's crap because he adds colour and other loose details.over the top... It's got the same basis as this.

[Anonymous No.4379204]

>>4379197
Fuck off Snowy

[Anonymous No.4379224]

bruh some of today

[Anonymous No.4379442]

I have been spending absolutely too long on gesture. I tried Hampton’s method but struggled with that and I’m now on Vilppu’s method. I’ve spent substantial amount of time with their gestural methods and I just don’t “get” it yet. I’m really considering just looking into another method since those two are so similar. Any recommendations? Or should I just keep working towards it?

[Anonymous No.4379448]

>>4379442
Try actually drawing some people.

[Anonymous No.4379450]

>>4379442
I hade struggle with gesture too ... but gesture will come with time and a lot of practice - you will see the S/C/I-lines after a lot of practice - have in mind - do alot of 1 min. gesture -done the same this will force you to read the gesture fast - while drawing the figure have n mind what is the figure doin rght now and look how the figure sits in perspective. It is hard but it is worth it most of my print-papers are filled with gesture drawings as example.

[Anonymous No.4379459]

Finally starting to see progress for 30 second gestures, at the begining of the school year I coukd only get down a cirlce and the line of action

[Anonymous No.4379460]

>>4379448
So my gesture would improve if I start doing regular figure drawings?

>>4379450
Can I see some examples of your gesture and some tips of yours?

[Anonymous No.4379461]

>>4379459
Sorry for pictures showing side ways, I'm a phone fag

[Anonymous No.4381683]

>>4372363
you got soul kid

[Anonymous No.4381778]

Dose anyone on /ic use form instead of line?