/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4364708]

Is this why some people just never make it despite years of practice?

[Anonymous No.4364714]

>>4364708
this, yes, but mostly because of delusion and not taking the craft seriously.

[Anonymous No.4364725]

>>4364708
Some, perhaps, but I don't think aphantasia is common. And I highly doubt that every /beg/ who doesn't see progress after a year falls under that category.

[Anonymous No.4364731]

>>4364708
wait is this real? Im probably more dogshit than the worst /beg/ tier artist on this board and I can still imagine objects clearly in my head

[Anonymous No.4364759]

>>4364708
aphantasia makes things harder yeah but its not a NGMI death sentence like autism
you just have to entirely depend 100% on muscle memory instead of having the luxury of just tracing an image superimposed onto a canvas

[Anonymous No.4364763]

What's the difference between imagining and seeing an idea?

[Anonymous No.4364775]

>>4364708
no they probably didnt really practice.Doodling randomly without reference or thinking doesnt count as practicing.

[Anonymous No.4364791]

>>4364708
Nope, there are really excellent artists with aphantasia. The visual library and memory isn't affected by it so it's still possible to draw without being able to see mental images.

[Anonymous No.4364792]

>>4364763
There is no difference, aphantasia people literally cannot imagine things. I don't even understand how they can remember events.

[Anonymous No.4364799]

>>4364792
wrong, we do imagine things, we just can't picture it

[Anonymous No.4364800]

>>4364708
I hear that anyone can be a 1. you just have to practice

[Anonymous No.4364801]

>>4364792
That's not true, they just can not see pictures in their minds, that doesn't mean they can't imagine scenarios. If you are blindfolded at a concert you'll still hear the music blaring, feel people bumping into and smell the cheap beer and puke in the air. None of that requires sight.

[Anonymous No.4364803]

>>4364775
>but i want to blame it on not having talent or being mentally blind

[Anonymous No.4364808]

I have aphantasia. that explains why is so hard to draw whitout references, I don't blame it for not making it tho, I'm just too lazy. btw I can imagine things and remember things but I cant see the images of said memories. is weird

[Anonymous No.4364809]

>>4364792
aphantasia doesnt mean your fucking retarded
they can recall facts and events just fine, theres simply no image associated with it
you can recall sound/feel/taste but just not visuals

[Anonymous No.4364810]

I don't think a 5 could ever reach Kim Jung Gi level no matter how much they practice. Also, isn't it literally cheating if you're just tracing your imagination?

[Anonymous No.4364814]

>>4364810
>isn't it literally cheating if you're just tracing your imagination?

kek

>I don't think a 5 could ever reach Kim Jung Gi level no matter how much they practice.

I'm a solid 5 and I kinda agree, I'm trying image streaming to be able to have a mind's eye

[Anonymous No.4364817]

how do I make my mental images stronger /ic/?

[Anonymous No.4364818]

>>4364817
not sure if works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F2qjtwcMhA

[Anonymous No.4364819]

>>4364814
>I'm trying image streaming
What's that?

[Anonymous No.4364821]

>>4364810
Kim Jung Gi has been drawing for 16 hours a day since he was 5.even if you are 1 you will never reach his lvl.

[Anonymous No.4364823]

>>4364708
youre legitimately a stupid person if youre taking this seriously. honest to goodness just not a critical thinker

[Anonymous No.4364825]

But all objects are made out of simple shapes, why do I need to be able to see them, to draw them?

I can imagine shapes very clearly, I just can't see anything so I don't have any problems.

[Anonymous No.4364841]

>>4364819
>>4364818
see

[Anonymous No.4364846]

> despite years of practice

Everyone who actually spends years practicing makes it. Liars who say they’ve been ‘drawing for years’ when they spent months at a time not even touching a pen are skewing the numbers.

[Anonymous No.4364859]

cant visualize an apple but I can visualize myself jumping off the nearest bridge wtf bros

[Anonymous No.4364862]

>>4364799
Then you don't have aphantasia you retard.

>>4364801
I suppose you are right, but it still feels weird having every memory of years being in an alternate universe where you are blind.

[Anonymous No.4364868]

>>4364817
Build a mind palace and use all of your senses, the other senses will reinforce visualization for some reason.

[Anonymous No.4364888]

>>4364708
Aphantasia is not real, on the other hand I wonder how deaf people can read if they don't know how letters sound like

[Anonymous No.4364922]

>>4364708
This has been a big doubt of mine recently, whenever I try to imagine something I wonder if I'm actually picturing it or just remembering something I already saw. And if it should be a crystal clear life-like image or the fuzzy shit in my head.

[Anonymous No.4364924]

>>4364823
>>4364823
>>4364823
>>4364823
>>4364823
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[Anonymous No.4364933]

>>4364825
This is the correct answer.

[Anonymous No.4364966]

>closing your eyes and blocking out reality in order to imagine something not in reality

What? Why? That's two extra steps.
It makes sort-of sense if they're trying to hallucinate an apple in front of them. But not for pictures "in your mind".


And 2 3 7 4 are the exact same.
1 = nothing
2/3/4 = various simplifications
5 = (as close to) the real thing (as you can get)

And the only difference between 2/3/4 and 5 is exposure to / experience with the visual.
Mb ask people answering 2 & 3 to visualize something they're more familiar with?

>no thoughts head empty
Terrifying.

[Anonymous No.4364968]

>>4364966
>2 3 7 4
2 3 & 4

[Anonymous No.4364977]

Can some people really (think they can) not visualize? And they try and be artists?

[Anonymous No.4364986]

>>4364708
i dont get this shit, i can imagine objects in this weird hard to describe place in my brain where i can see them but not like theyre actually there. Can people replace the darkness they see when they close their eyes with a real object? Like hallucinate it as if it were really there?

[Anonymous No.4364988]

>>4364708
I don't think anyone can close their eyes and see a vivid apple projected into their eyelids like it's a movie. I sure don't, when my eyes are closed all I see is black. But I can imagine an apple rotating, a character holding it and taking a bite. I can imagine how characters are placed in a scene, their facial expressions and how they move. I can translate a character design I imagine onto paper. It's a weird mix of only seeing black, but I can see these things in the back of my mind.

I think people are mistaking "I only see black when I close my eyes!" as "I can't imagine at all!".

[Anonymous No.4364989]

>>4364859
Visualize yourself holding an apple whilst jumping off a bridge and you're set

[Anonymous No.4364992]

>>4364763
Best way to describe Aphantasia is like your brain is a computer without a monitor. It runs fine, but there's not a way to visualize your concepts other than physically recreating them. I would know, I do art bc I can't visualize ( - v - ; )
When I was little and I was frustrated about not being able to picture something/explain that, I'd just draw whatever I was conceptualizing to show someone.

[Anonymous No.4365002]

>>4364966
This, there was a similar answer that explained things perfectly on the last thread
>>4364708
we had this thread like 2 days ago OP

[Anonymous No.4365004]

>>4364986
>>4364988
I can actually imagine an object and rotate it in my mind. But I need to be relaxed for it. And I don't need to close my eyes for it when I'm really calm.

When I'm stressed out I just get a clipshow of whatever zooms through my mind and it gets incredibly distracting because I can't control it. So instead of getting an image of an apple I get images of disgusting shit or completely unrelated stuff.
I realized when I get a migrane and I take tylenol my mind is super calm though and I can get razor sharp imagination without any distractions. But since tylenol fucks up your liver I don't make that a habitual thing.
The other extreme I noticed is that when smoking weed I see absolutely nothing. Like my inner eye is absolutely blank. So the entire "lmao creativity and drugs" thing is bullshit for me at least.

[Anonymous No.4365009]

>>4364988
same here

[Anonymous No.4365019]

>>4364977
There's even people who neither have an inner voice nor can visualize anything.

[Anonymous No.4365030]

>>4365019
Lmao how the fuck is this even possible to not have an inner voice?
that means they can't sing in their head?

[Anonymous No.4365035]

>>4365030
Peak NPC probably

[Anonymous No.4365037]

>>4364823
>>4364924
So who is bullshitting according to you? Do people who claim to have the ability to visualize in photorealistic quality really just lie and don't actually see anything. Or is it the other way around and the people who claim to only see blackness when they close their eyes are able to visualize perfectly but claim they can't for shits and giggles?

[Anonymous No.4365046]

>>4364966
How are various simplifications the exact same you utter brainlet retard?

2 is a cartoon version of an apple, a simplified but fairly accurate representation of a real apple.

3 is the shape of an apple complete with shading but no color representation, the black and white version of 2

4 is the silhouette of an apple without any further information

How are those the same thing in your mind?

[Anonymous No.4365053]

>>4364988
>>4365009
5 doesn't mean no imagination at all, it just means exactly what you are describing. You can imagine things in your mind, you can kind of feel them and sense them as if you were touching them but you can't actually see them like you would if you could see things with your mind.

[Anonymous No.4365057]

>>4364759
>aphantasia makes things harder yeah but its not a NGMI death sentence like autism

[Anonymous No.4365058]

>>4365019
Geez this is depressing but hey at least the community isn't as saturated when you take out the wastes like this

[Anonymous No.4365066]

Is this the current /ic/ cope? What do you guys think will be next?

[Anonymous No.4365074]

>>4365053
>you can imagine things but you can't see them
?_?
imagining is just recalling memories isn't it, then putting things you know together. So yeah I see pretty clearly an apple in the back of my head, in my mind but not in front of my eyelids

[Anonymous No.4365078]

>>4364708
My brain automatically creates a movie I can see when reading a book for example, but I didn't do well with the apple
Do I have aphantasia ?

[Anonymous No.4365086]

This is more or less how the images appear in my mind when I try to think of a "lion". I can focus on parts, but the whole falls apart.

It's hard to believe so many people see nothing in their head. More likely people describe the same experience in different ways.

[Anonymous No.4365121]

>>4365074
When you dream of an apple you actually see the apple in your sleep in your dream as you would see it with your eyes in real life, don't you? A 1 on the visualization scale is able to visualize an apple in front of them with their eyes closed as if they were dreaming of it. People with Aphantasia can only think of an apple but not make it appear as an image in their minds.

[Anonymous No.4365123]

>>4365078
>Aphantasia is a condition where one does not possess a functioning mind's eye and cannot voluntarily visualize imagery.
No. Your ability to recall is weak and largely out of your control.
Mine improved with general art practice. I also have crazy realistic dreams now.

[Anonymous No.4365153]

>>4365046
They're all variations on "without any further information".
They're different abstractions on an apple. The outline, the color, the shading / how light interacts, a cartoon, whatever. They are all PARTS of 5.
>Or rather, parts of how you could try to represent 5 (an actual apple) if you were to paint/draw it.

I didn't mean they're all literally the same image and I'm blind, help me, I meant that they are all the exact same CLASS of visual, but different aspects/expressions/subsets of it.

You're basically freaking out over me saying that 2 3 and 4 are all the same: they're numbers.
>but 4 is CLOSED
> 2 and 3 are CURVED at the top
>you think they're all the same you fucking retard????
Yeah, I do. 2 3 and 4 are the same, and so are 0 1 5 6 7 8 and 9. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4365162]

>>4365153
>They're different abstractions on an apple
Don't break your neck while backpedaling so hard, retard.

>I didn't mean they're all literally the same image
>me saying that 2 3 and 4 are all the same
Maybe you are Averbal, you can't properly think words, which would explain why you didn't mean what you wrote and why you equate me calling you out on your nonsense with freaking out.

[Anonymous No.4365199]

>>4365162
Backpedaling from what to what?
"simplification" and "abstraction" are too distant for you, but "same thing" and "same image" are not?

I said "thing" because I IMMEDIATELY then sorted described some classes, and figured that at least one person here would be able to realize vague word holder "thing" meant fucking "class".

Clearly that was a stretch too far for /iq/ here.

[Anonymous No.4365229]

>>4365199
Averbal it is. Fascinating.

[Anonymous No.4365235]

>>4365229
>>4365199
Guys, stop arguing and just draw.

[Anonymous No.4365242]

>>4365229
Damn. You're actually this stupid.
At least tell me you're getting some studies done in between this wanking.

[Anonymous No.4365263]

>>4365235
Yeah, you're right, this is dumb.

[Anonymous No.4365302]

I'm so confused how do you not see images in your head. if someone with this were told to describe their mothers face would they not be able to do it?

Or if someone with this was told to picture a red chair would they just not be able to even though they know what "red" is and what a "chair" is?

[Anonymous No.4365304]

>>4364988
gifted artists can literally do exactly what you say, straight up hallucinate shit onto the real world

[Anonymous No.4365306]

>>4365302
i can recall facts about my mothers face
i literally dont see it in my head, nor any object
same thing for your second question

[Anonymous No.4365309]

>>4364708
What do these people think daydreaming is?

[Anonymous No.4365324]

Is there the opposite where people are hyperphantasias and can borderline visualize something actually in front of them on paper and trace it?

[Anonymous No.4365339]

>>4365306
But no one literally see's it right? cause it's not literally there.

how do you know when you do or don't see it in your head?

[Anonymous No.4365341]

>>4364708

[Anonymous No.4365343]

>>4365339
It's like when your penis gets erect, but you are in public so you can't touch it and you try moving your legs a bit so it gets to a more comfortable position, but then you need to stand up and you get afraid because now every ody will notice you're carrying an erection and you feel shame, true shame. But then you get up and you still feel your erection, and you feel everybody is looking at you but then you realize nobody notices it. Nobody cares ot worries about you or the blood pressure in your genitals. And you realize you are alone in your room and you've been able to touch your penis the whole time, but you didn't because you can't find it and the erection you felt was imaginary. That's when you know you can see the lion in your head.

[Anonymous No.4365357]

>>4365053
>see things with your mind.
did you mean eyes?

[Anonymous No.4365367]

>>4364708
I wonder if there is something similar like this for music? I can write stuff sometimes complete pitch, rhythm and all in my head and change stuff, and sometimes its just foggy like I get a gesture of shape of a musical idea but parts are missing.

[Anonymous No.4365368]

>>4364708
This must be fake, when asked to see an apple I immediately imagine the last apple I ate, which is a red one with dots

[Anonymous No.4365388]

>>4365367
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a sound/music variant. We can even look at taste. Try to imagine the taste of chicken. The flavor, the texture, the temperature, anything that can identify what you're trying to imagine.

[Anonymous No.4365414]

>>4364708
is this like an after image or one that the mind conjures up that can be malleable in color shape etc? Because when I close my eyes its black but in my head there is an image, but not behind the eyes, the black is still there.

[Anonymous No.4365425]

>>4364922
I would assume its both, like you would have an inner monologue if you had no language?

[Anonymous No.4365429]

>>4365414
It's like perceiving 2 realities at the same time. That's how it is for me at least.

[Anonymous No.4365432]

>>4365425
It's circunstancial, but partially innate. There are residual factors in the phisiology of a self endemic language that predetermine referential pseudo genetic dormant marks. It's a bit difficult to explain without getting into quantum physics and other shit, but yeah, whatever.

[Anonymous No.4365451]

>>4365432
we are programmed for language, ok.

[Anonymous No.4365464]

>>4364988
This is what I thought as well.
It's like a Dream, you don't see an actual image under your eyelids, but you still perceive it.
I think my ability to do this has gotten weaker though.
When I was a kid I had a super vivid imagination and would do shit like what this guy says>>4365304
It would mostly be recalling movies or tv shows I watched, or coming up with new ideas for what to build out of my legos.
But when I put pencil to paper I'm able to recall things fine, and can fill out the details as I go, so there's probably a lot more to it that we don't understand because we're dumb artists and not neurosurgeons or brain scientists.

[Anonymous No.4365468]

>>4365019
There's no way he doesn't have an inner voice.
If you can read silently you have one.
Without an inner voice you'd have to read everything out loud.

[Anonymous No.4365471]

>>4365037
No, you retard. The point is that it doesn't matter whether you can or can't visualise.

[Anonymous No.4365568]

>>4364708
I feel like showing people the apple is cheating.
Currently I can vividly picture the canyon with the slightly curved bridge over it, the water culvert to my left spilling water onto rocks that flows downwards into a crevasse eventually obscuring into shrub thickets and grass at the bottom of of the canyon, the hill side to my right being obscured partially by grass, the old overgrown water crossing from before the highway was built, the cuts in the hillside from where a trail used to be... But I can't picture an apple.

[Anonymous No.4365575]

>>4364759
>extremely vivid imagination
>can perfectly conjure an image in my head, move it 360 degrees, change color, shape, saturation, value, etc..
>can pretty much walk through this building in my minds eye in any season, time of day or weather

>autistic
>also never practice because I have difficulty learning and sticking to routines

am I NGMI?

[Anonymous No.4365586]

>>4365575
>never practice
Depends if you complete good works.

[Anonymous No.4365597]

>>4365586
I drew this 6 months ago, it's my most recent piece that I was proud of, but I haven't completed anything in 3 months due to depression and insecurity

I never do studies, I just learn on the fly which sucks because I never draw from reference and just use my imagination so I cant base it off of something I've seen, only imagined

[Anonymous No.4365598]

>>4365597
>>4365586
whoops please be patient it's my autism again

[Anonymous No.4365603]

>>4365597
>>4365598
Honestly if thats the level your at with out doing studies then your biggest issue is falling for the depression pit.

[Anonymous No.4365604]

>>4365598
/beg/

[Anonymous No.4365610]

wait, i thought everyone is a 1

guess i'm more gifted than i thought

[Anonymous No.4365611]

>>4364708
>tfw can't stop the apple from doing a fucking MRI passthrough
how do I make it hold still?

[Anonymous No.4365697]

>>4364708
I still don't understand why not everyone is a 1. I can imagine shit without even closing my eyes. What is wrong with these people?

[Anonymous No.4365708]

>>4365343
based

[Anonymous No.4365710]

>>4364708
I'm 3. I can visualize things, but nothing looks as vivid as the actual sensation.

[Anonymous No.4365713]

>>4365697
Same lmao.

I feel like they are just trolling.

[Anonymous No.4365726]

>>4365697
I think its an issue of how clear the visual information is, I can do the same but sometimes its like looking into a fog.

[Anonymous No.4365728]

This is the consequence of growing up with internet. You shitty fucks, can just look shit you want. I had to make up complicated and elaborate fantasies of. Xena sucking my 13 year old penis or just imagining the next episodes of seinfeld reruns.

[Anonymous No.4365752]

>>4365598
>no studies
>no refs
>just imagination drawing
>already drawing like this
and people say talent isnt real, fucking visualizationchads getting the easy way out

[Anonymous No.4365785]

>>4365598
Gimme yer blog!

[Anonymous No.4365937]

>>4365242
>an apple, a banana and an orange
>they're all the same thing
>because they're all fruit lol
That's how retarded you are and then you went.
>you're not supposed to read my post
>you're supposed to read my mind
>it doesn't matter what I wrote
>only what I actually meant
>which is basically still the same retardation
The apples depicted on the 1-5 scale are showing a gradual increase in complexity and information, that's the point. They are not "the exact same". You talked out of your ass an embarrassed yourself.

[Anonymous No.4365944]

>>4365464
Wait, hold on, you don't actually see as if your eyes were open when you are dreaming?

[Anonymous No.4365950]

>>4365697
It's not about just imagination, it's about visuals. Apparently some people imagine things in their minds without seeing them and others are on a 24/7 controllable LSD trip as if they were lucid dreaming while being awake.

[Anonymous No.4365963]

Visualization is a meme. If you are anything other than 5 i.e. see what doesn't exist than go to a doctor and take meds.

[Anonymous No.4365987]

>>4365963
Aphantasia cope.
Kill yourself or get another hobby.

[Anonymous No.4365988]

>be me
>190 IQ
>only lvl 2 on average and lvl 1 if I close my eyes and try hard
feelsbad

[Anonymous No.4365998]

>>4365057
if this is real then that explains why I can barely understand what the person I'm listening to is saying when in a crowded room

[Anonymous No.4366006]

>>4365998
just to add on to this, I've supposedly got autism and I can visually see images when I close my eyes and stare into the darkness. It looks like those paintings that look very detailed but upon further inspection you see that they're actually kinda fuzzy and made in such a way to let the viewer fill in the details. Not very useful because I can't draw with my eyes closed.
Also for some reason they're only that color that you see when you glance at the sun for an instant too long and get a spot in your vision.

I mostly rely on what I would consider the normal kind of imaginative thinking, where I don't literally "see" anything with my eyes but I can figuratively see it inside of my head. It's like my brain is feeling what I'm imagining; is this what Vilppu meant when he said to feel the form?

[Anonymous No.4366012]

>>4365057
>>4365998
*LOUD SWEATING*

I have really good auditory memory/imagination, but I have a really hard time parsing words when background noise is involved. Does this mean I am have sperg?

[Anonymous No.4366017]

>>4364714
u mom delusion fgt ass bitch fuck u be a man

[Anonymous No.4366018]

>>4366012
I have bad news for you anon...

[Anonymous No.4366020]

>>4364708
No its because they have double digits iq

[Anonymous No.4366023]

>>4364708

[Anonymous No.4366031]

my brain sucks and i cant hold a solid visual in my head but i find it impossible to believe people cant imagine a simple shape and color of a thing theyve seen before. dreams must literally suck for you people.

[Anonymous No.4366050]

>>4366012
There's a lot of other qualifiers but that quality of yours is something that exists outside of the norm.

[Anonymous No.4366055]

>>4365030
This, lmao. Great artist and musicians be composing symphonies and art works in their heads. meanwhile you have this

[Anonymous No.4366164]

>>4364708
visualisation is a trainable skill, people who say "omg I never had it" are just mouthbreathing animals who never cared. If you start to draw, you are gonna train that skill like any other, and after a while you will be in 1.

[Anonymous No.4366189]

>>4366164
Been seriously drawing for a decade and I'm still 5.

[Anonymous No.4366194]

>>4366189
post your work.

[Anonymous No.4366196]

>>4364708
Im at 4, i cant really imagine a full detailed image, only 60% close up of the apple if i think of the texure, but i can spin it around easily in 3 dimensions if only imagining the general shape
That could explain why I can never render full images properly and have to resort to multiply layers, i can only render faces comfortably, perhaps i could improve on that someday

[Anonymous No.4366197]

>>4366196
holy fuck i meant at TWO (2) not 4,

[Anonymous No.4366205]

>>4366194

[Anonymous No.4366208]

>>4364708

How the hell can people not see a 5?

I can see every pore, every bead of dew, every shade of moisture, its smell, and even feel its texture in my head. Hell, I can even taste it in my mouth just by thinking about it.

[Anonymous No.4366227]

>>4364708
That's incorrect representation on how imagination works. You see sets of intermittent images suggesting what the desired object should look like. With this approximate image in mind, you begin your draftsman work, building and correcting it's form as you go.

[Anonymous No.4366231]

>>4366227
Wrong, you just have aphantasia.

[Anonymous No.4366241]

>>4364708
I see a 3D model that I can rotate and edit in real time. But it's not textured so to see textures I have to stop moving the model and focus really hard.

[Anonymous No.4366253]

>>4366231
It just speculation really. About some magical ubermensch draftsman vision.

[Anonymous No.4366286]

>>4366253
It's neither speculation nor magical, it's just imagination and if you don't have it or don't see things you're imagining you have aphantasia.

[Anonymous No.4366323]

>>4364708
They just haven't felt the form yet.

[Anonymous No.4366332]

people ITT who claim to have aphantasia

can you not imagine smells? touches? recall the taste of things? music?
if you think of licking a slice of lemon you dont't start drooling a little?

[Anonymous No.4366351]

>>4366332
If you someone has aphantasia they can probably subconciously do geometry and algebra, while understanding how perspective translates to what is shown on the paper, you can probably get by as an artist.

I don't have aphantasia, but that sort of what I do when drawing, I'm not even exceptional at math, my biggest problem is drawing in proportion, but I could probably overcome that by thinking of the paper as a viewpoint through a camera.

My philosophy to getting better at drawing is to think of it as a science of projecting a 3d object onto a 2d surface, which no matter how bad someone is at drawing, it's theoretically possible to do.

[Anonymous No.4366650]

>>4364708
/ic/ is the biggest meme for what should be a serious board and this is the pinnacle of its reputation

[Anonymous No.4366652]

>>4364708
nobody transmits a literal hologram in their brain and copy what is there. people need to grind aka put fucking work into the activity to make something look what they like. this visualization jumbo is just an excuse not to work. pick up a pencil or brush, study, and most importantly do art fag.

[Anonymous No.4366656]

>>4364708
if you have such good visualization whats the point of even doing art when you can create entire crystal clear worlds in your brain and live in there
>money
cope

[Anonymous No.4366657]

>>4364814
>image streaming

[Anonymous No.4366659]

>>4365057
is this why there was that one person who could view an entire city overhead and can recreate it all with a pencil

[Anonymous No.4366661]

>>4365057
so you need aspergers to be a visualization master got it

[Anonymous No.4366664]

>>4364708
so if you had 1 would that mean you'd never need to study what something looks like and you just already know? if so then all an artist would need to worry about is proper line control and hand/eye coordination. that's too good to be true. even people like kim jung gi had to force himself to get an idea of what something looks like and only did after drawing them all out.

[Anonymous No.4366689]

>>4365785
the rest of my uploads are garbage

https://www.instagram.com/ja.wc

[Anonymous No.4366786]

>>4365937
I don't know know how else to explain to you that in between the top and the bottom there is the middle, no matter where in the middle the middle is, it's not the top or the bottom.

1 - Nothing
2 - some stuff
3 - more stuff
4 - more stuff
5 - actual image

I also interpreted the scale as
1 - nothing
2 - just the shape/outline / a gesture
3 - shadow / contour
4 - color study
5 - putting it all together into a realistic piece
Like if you were learning to draw an apple - how you might break down the process. Since this is supposedly a place where people learn to draw.

I know there's an increase in complexity. There's also a difference in style/method.

All you're doing is saying "No, you can't group things this way." or "You can't have two interpretations."
Which is fine, I guess. I was hoping for more of a comment than "NO" in a bunch of words, but whatever. "NO" received and understood. (Also lol I got that third "retard"). Have a good day dude. Please get some practice done.

[Anonymous No.4368007]

>>4366786
You said they (2,3 & 4) are "the exact same thing". An apple is a thing. Abstraction is not a thing, it's a concept. Even as abstractions they are DIFFERENT from each other though, which is the opposite from being "the exact same". They are all an abstraction but not the same level, so it's really not appropriate to use the word exact.

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>>4365057
This epic broscience pic doesn't explain why there so many famous, acclaimed musicians with Asperger's. Apparently even Mozart had it.

[Anonymous No.4368049]

If you don't have perfect memory and visualization as well as the ability to hallucinate onto your canvas, then I'm afraid you're ngmi

[Anonymous No.4368110]

>>4365057
I believe this is true. for instance, I work sales and my boss is always pushing me to make more phone calls rather than emails. I understand why and I try to, but a lot of the time verbal information gets lost on me and I have to ask people to repeat themselves a lot. that’s not a problem my boss can understand, and of course I’m not going to explain that to him because he’ll just think I suck at my job. whereas when I correspond via email, I can pretty much memorize it and I like having proof of what was said. I can also draw an image from memory which is helpful in some cases, but I really wish I were better at talking to people. most customers aren’t checking their email 24/7 and they definitely aren’t asking me to draw pictures for them. it kind of blows my mind when I witness someone just making a phone call and retaining all the info without having to write it all down. my desk is cluttered with notes and things. but yeah, never been diagnosed with autism/assburgers but I also haven’t been to a doctor in years because our healthcare system is fucked.

[Anonymous No.4368371]

I'm like a 3, but everything's really fucking blurry at the same time.

[Anonymous No.4369379]

Are people claiming that hallucinations = imagination? lmao