/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4362082]

what is the appeal

[Anonymous No.4362086]

coomers have lizard brains

[Anonymous No.4362087]

>>4362082
coomers r gona coom

[Anonymous No.4362088]

>>4362082
Dem sexy curves going around that thicc column

[Anonymous No.4362091]

why is his twitter gone

[Anonymous No.4362103]

>>4362091
you got blocked nibba

[Anonymous No.4362104]

>>4362103
i never interacted with him
it says this twitter doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.4362105]

I don’t get it.

How does someone spend years refining their technical skills to a professional level, only to just use it to bangwagon on the latest online craze? How can you do this and still maintain your artistic soul?

[Anonymous No.4362106]

>>4362105
I don't get why some people think that everyone gives a shit about artist soul or whatever, some just like to draw what they like, not 2deep4u subject or whatever muh soul

[Anonymous No.4362111]

>>4362106
Are you really drawing what you like when your relevancy and livelihood is dependant on following stupid twitter meme trends like these?

[Anonymous No.4362114]

>>4362111
>>4362105
In that case it's not what they like but what gives em money
they treat art like some other job

[Anonymous No.4362117]

>>4362111
pretty sure the guy likes to draw big asses and anime/vidya girls, and that's what he has been doing

[Anonymous No.4362118]

>>4362082
Huge output (most important)
Recognizable work
Curves and exaggerated features

>>4362111
This isn't a difficult concept anon.
Some people just want to draw, doesn't really matter what. If following Twitter trends puts food on the table then that's what they'll do

[Anonymous No.4362121]

>>4362105
Finally someone with more than one neuron. A lot of people simply enjoy the process, and don't have the desire to create original worlds. Nothing wrong with that

[Anonymous No.4362122]

>>4362082
are you gay or a woman?
anyway i'd love to see highly soulful art of everyone itt. mannequin heads and loomis exercises don't count

[Anonymous No.4362126]

>>4362122
pyw first

[Anonymous No.4362165]

>>4362082
>what is the appeal
Good work habits.

[Anonymous No.4362171]

>>4362105
>How can you do this and still maintain your artistic soul?

by keeping your regular art and the art fueled by your dick separate, duh

[Anonymous No.4362198]

>>4362111
have some trendy interests

[Anonymous No.4362205]

>>4362082
big ass,sexy back and a blondie elf. Cant go wrong with that unless you're a faggot

[Anonymous No.4362220]

>>4362082
you dont like it because its sexual or because its not an OC ?

[Anonymous No.4362222]

>>4362082
Good rendering skills and huge ass
That's the appeal

[Anonymous No.4362225]

>>4362082
Sex
what's the appeal?

[Anonymous No.4362415]

>>4362105
NGMI

[Anonymous No.4362424]

>>4362105
Luckily my soul is stronger than a drawing.

[Anonymous No.4362430]

>guys name is cutesexyrobutts
>people wonder why he likes to draw giant asses

[Anonymous No.4362433]

>>4362082

sex sells

[Anonymous No.4362457]

>>4362082
Patreon! Patreon! Muh Patreon! Patreon! Muh!

[Anonymous No.4362460]

>>4362082
speed.
Thats why he get so popular, is the sakimichan path, when you get to a "ok" level of basic rendering and composition, only lefts thinking in a standard appealing (big asses big tits) and start producing non stop, if you dont stop, you are gonna get popular no matter what, regardless skill, there more skill you have is a multiplier to the speed factor

[Anonymous No.4362475]

>>4362105
Do you see the name on the art? This artist's whole life is devoted to butts. If you could look into the soul all you will see is one giant ass mooning you.

[Anonymous No.4362481]

>>4362475
That's kinda hot

[Anonymous No.4362487]

I think these kind of art appeals to the innate instincts of men.

[Anonymous No.4362490]

>>4362475
My soul is the pretty much same but you see deep into a giant belly button instead.

[Anonymous No.4362491]

>>4362487
Or it just goes to show that all W*men are whores.

[Anonymous No.4362496]

>>4362460
Probably has a pretty reliable workflow as well. Bet they spend a day or two cranking out thumbnails, then blowing them up and drawing flavor of the month waifu in pre-made compositions.

Or at least that's what I'd do.

[Anonymous No.4362506]

>>4362082
There's something about desaturated colors and thin lines that make coomer brains think it's good.
I know because I mimicked it to great effect.
Really it's mostly the desaturated colors

[Anonymous No.4362519]

>>4362506
hello Azto

[Anonymous No.4362547]

>>4362506
>I know because I mimicked it to great effect.
pyw

[Anonymous No.4362570]

>>4362105
they're commisions

[Anonymous No.4362585]

>>4362496
that's what you gotta do when you treat art more as a business, he's smart for doing this in a fast and sustainable way that probably doesn't take up much of his time.

people like OP and >>4362105 completely miss the point.

[Anonymous No.4362589]

>>4362457
Don't be so envious ffs.

[Anonymous No.4362610]

>>4362087
That bottom girl is familiar, what is she from?

[Anonymous No.4362613]

>>4362585
Samikichan does the same thing, yet she’s getting way more shit from the anons here.

[Anonymous No.4362668]

>>4362105
>only to just use it to bangwagon on the latest online craze?
The fuck? Are we talking about the same artist?

[Anonymous No.4362673]

>>4362506
You dropped this. Your arrogance is leaking all over the place.

[Anonymous No.4362679]

>>4362082
this makes me hard

[Anonymous No.4362687]

>>4362610
Female wojak

[Anonymous No.4362694]

>>4362088
da only real answa

[Anonymous No.4362695]

>>4362475
lmao

[Anonymous No.4362723]

>>4362082
I'm fine with the content, but I'm 100% sure this rendering style is born from pure laziness.

[Anonymous No.4362771]

>>4362082
She's an elf.

[Anonymous No.4362777]

>>4362723
I prefer it to the plastic doll render style

[Anonymous No.4362784]

>>4362723
Not everyone aims to create barbie dolls anon

[Anonymous No.4362823]

>>4362082
getting your foot in the door. artists are a dime a dozen and competition is worldwide.
sex grabs the attention of the layman, since he has no clue about composition, color, edges, etc.

[Anonymous No.4362940]

>>4362082
There's no appeal coomer fag

[Anonymous No.4363312]

>>4362673
didn't mean to give away the secret, my bad
I thought it was obvious but apparently not

[Anonymous No.4363323]

ITT
>pornfags desperately trying yet again to plug in the narrative that exploiting zoomers and porn addicts in the current year is an art of itself and a sign of skill
no amounts of shilling or pseudo intellectual arguments will make you real artists
pornfags are the equivalent of drug dealers
know your fucking place, trash

[Anonymous No.4363341]

>>4362723
not all of his work is like this. he has a tremendous volume where not everything hits but he's gotten a lot better especially his colors, volumes, and poses. i still have some gripes with his lazy brushwork and anatomy sometimes but its still an inspiration for me to keep pushing. there are lazier and worse smut artists to get annoyed about.

[Anonymous No.4363346]

>>4362082
Its reduced art for the coomer plebs

[Anonymous No.4363350]

>>4363341
I don't even like big tiddy anime art but those are some mighty pretty colors

[Anonymous No.4363372]

>>4363323
wat the fak am I looking at

[Anonymous No.4363378]

Sometimes I wish I could just enter this guy’s drawing and fuck these characters doggystyle.

Literally humped my phone and it kind of helped my imagination a bit.

[Anonymous No.4363382]

>>4363378
same desu

[Anonymous No.4363386]

>>4363382
Ngl I really love his background/environment work. I don't even care about the girl. Do you have more stuff of his like this

[Anonymous No.4363387]

>>4362082
>>4363341
>>4363382
I don't like this guy, but there's just something about his art that's really appealing to my eyes and makes me feel.

[Anonymous No.4363399]

>>4363386
yeah that's why i posted it actually. he makes his backgrounds interesting and has good command of composition/notan with the shapes standing out from the background.most pieces work out great as thumbnails. he's inspired a lot by fantasy shit like warhammer art also chinese painters like hgj according to an interview he did.

[Anonymous No.4363430]

>>4362105
What a fucking square.

[Anonymous No.4363519]

>>4363399
Link to interview?

[Anonymous No.4363680]

Is there a word for adding too many lumps to a body? Over-rendering? Cancerous growths?

[Anonymous No.4363757]

>>4362105
Bills to pay you fucking infant brain

[Anonymous No.4363831]

>>4362082
the guy is like the female version of sakimichan, not that close but you get what i mean. the fact that he started drawing 27 and got to where he is now, take notes kids

[Anonymous No.4363881]

>>4362082
Hes getting a lot better actually.

[Anonymous No.4363921]

>>4362082
Yes, what is the appeal of shitting up the board with your constant whining?

[Anonymous No.4363937]

>>4362082
I don't even draw coomshit but I look up to this guy.

[Anonymous No.4363940]

>>4363831
Female version of sakimichan?

[Anonymous No.4363942]

>>4363831
I hope to get to where he is in 4 times the timespan it took him. I accept being a talentlet, but I think you can still get there if you wait long enough.

[Anonymous No.4363961]

>nooooooo you can't just be horny!
are you gay? are you castrated? why are you virgins so weird and creepy?

[Anonymous No.4363967]

>>4363961
Can you twelve kids fifteen abortionites decide whether we're horny losers or hornless dogs already?

[Anonymous No.4363977]

>>4362087
I'm glad Stamper's doing well

[Anonymous No.4363984]

>>4362082
I like piece better from him

[Anonymous No.4363987]

>>4362111
If you're not an utter contrarian you can pander to popular media and personalities you actually enjoy. Soulful shilling.

[Anonymous No.4364006]

>>4362105
Die, you pretentious fuck

[Anonymous No.4364010]

>>4362111
trends exists because a lot of ppl like them including artists.Maybe you should stop being so close minded and try experiencing new things

[Anonymous No.4364036]

>>4363323
I would say post your work, but it's probably worse than what was posted by OP, so you won't.

[Anonymous No.4364039]

>>4363350
Yup. That's what CSR is really good at. Appealing colors and really good feeling for backgrounds.

[Anonymous No.4364105]

>>4362082
I WANNA HAVE SEX WITH IT.

[Anonymous No.4364195]

>>4363323
>>4362105
The best part is seeing sfw artists act like nsfw artists are taking away from their work in any way. Like if they didn't spend the time drawing what they want and developing the skill that means it would make your art better or if people weren't looking for nsfw they would be automatically be drawn to your work instead. They draw it because the want to and people look at it because that's what they're looking for, it doesn't mean if people stop drawing it you'll suddenly get more art gains or suddenly your work will get more views.

Acting like art skill is some finite resource and nsfw artists are hogging it all isn't going to help you develop so why go around in places you don't want to be? I bet someone asked one of you sfw artists to draw nsfw you'll react like anyone else and thinking I don't want to draw stuff Im not interested in; I hope you will see a glimpse of yourselves at that point. Just appreciate the art you enjoy, stop telling others what they are allowed to do and look at.

Seriously, go draw what you like and enjoy art in the many forms it comes in.

[Anonymous No.4364303]

>>4364036
donate to my patreon
>>4364195
>heavily implying
This isn't about telling others what they can or can't enjoy; it's simply calling out pornfags for the faggots they are.

It is indeed quite strange how every time you dare to even criticize or say something negative about a pornfag, there is a fleet of anons jumping in trying to discredit any critique.

This is the absolute and horrendous fucking state of art in 2000+20
You wouldn't even think about them if they didn't exploit your lizard brains, you goddamn junkies.

[Anonymous No.4364331]

>>4364303
>Going into a room as the minority solely to assert your superiority.
Woah why is everyone attacking me?

What critique are you even talking about? The souless comments to the extent that it doesn't appeal to your sensibilities? If throwing out vulgarities is the extent of your "critique", it not really of value to anyone, including yourself.

I'm sure you command respect with your beautiful mind in the sea of sheeple wherever you go.

[Anonymous No.4364377]

>>4364331
>why do you disagree with what the majority thinks? wtf is wrong with you?!
>calls others soulless
Why can't you just accept the fact that pornfags are the equivalent of drug dealers?

[Anonymous No.4364390]

>>4364377
Its not about agreeing, its about not expecting resistance in a room full of your opposition, but it looks like it flew over your head.

I wasn't calling you souless and was instead referring to the comment about maintaining artistic soul, not everything is a monkey shit fight, but I see that's the extent of your level of discussion and "critique".

Okay, Anon.

[Anonymous No.4364393]

>>4364303
>donate to my patreon
Called it. Stop being jealous of other people's skills.

[Anonymous No.4364425]

>>4364390
>"Ah, no, you don't get it."
>"I wasn't using that series of words, i mean it in another way"
>"this is the extent of your intellectual capabilities"
What terrific arguments, Anon.
2000 IQ points on your good boy card + a self-awareness bonus.
But let me ask you this
I only stated facts. Why do you oppose them?

[Anonymous No.4364431]

>>4362105
artist soul doesn't matter unless you're a pompous prick
do whatever makes money

[Anonymous No.4364435]

>>4364425
My argument is that your art is worse than CSR's.
Care to disprove my argument by posting your work?

[Anonymous No.4364444]

>>4364377
i guess they are closer to coffee shop and pastries owners since they are selling legal drugs.

[Anonymous No.4364461]

>>4364377
>his art doesn't make people ruin their lives, rob banks and wage wars
NGMI

[Anonymous No.4364464]

>>4364393
>>4364435
(You)'re probably looking at my work right now.
Try harder, faggots.
>>4364444
Pastries and coffee don't get you hooked like drugs do.
No amount of sugarcoating makes the exploitation of the male libido any better.

[Anonymous No.4364472]

>>4362105
Good taste, le grand goût, is not something a lot of people possess, including artists.

[Anonymous No.4364482]

>>4363831
And how old is he now?

[Anonymous No.4364485]

>>4364464
yes they do and you can even overdose from them. are you trolling or are you so retarded that you dont know basic information ?

[Anonymous No.4364497]

>>4364485
Oh no, i really did not saw this coming!

Here's your (You).
Enjoy your dopamine spike.

[Anonymous No.4364511]

>>4364482
pic related is one of the first entries in his DA, it was posted three years ago, not sure how long he drew before that, but judging by his progress, probably only a couple of months

[Anonymous No.4364513]

>>4364497
at least now you are slightly more educated.

[Anonymous No.4364517]

>>4364497
PPPRFFFFFFRTFTTTTT

[Anonymous No.4364530]

>>4364464
>(You)'re probably looking at my work right now.
I highly doubt I regularly see art of an /ic/ dweller.
I bet you are a beginner. Only beginners have no idea what it means to actually do art for a living, like CSR does, and come out with retarded statements like you do.
Keep larping, puritan scrub.

[Anonymous No.4364598]

>>4364530
pyw

[Anonymous No.4364694]

>>4364425
The extent of what you have to say is "I'm better than you", "I'm right you're wrong", "why don't you just admit I'm right". You have nothing compelling to say and I doubt you've ever had a debate about anything. Your arrogance and ego is so through the roof I don't even think you see no one would take you seriously.

I really wish you the best, Anon.

[Anonymous No.4364790]

>>4364598
You first.
Newsflash, you won't.

[Anonymous No.4365404]

>>4364530
>>4364694
let me translate from normiespeak to what you brainlet niggers are actually saying:
>STOP SAYING THINGS REEE
>I BET U IS BEG CUZ ONLY JELLUS PURITAN WOULD SAY IT PYW SO I KNOW WHO IM TALKIN TO STOP BEING ANONYMOSS
>HHAHA SUCCESSFULY DEFLECTED

>YOU CANNOT DEBATE STOP SAYING YOURE BETTER THAN ME YOUR NOT BETTER TNA ME I AM BETTER THAN YOU REEEEE SOTP BEING BETTER TEN MEEEE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY THAS WHY YOUR GETTING 29073434 (YOU)S
>YOU CANNOT ARGUE YOR NO RIGHT STOOOOOOP
>projecting their insecurities this hard without even a slight provocation
>the absolute state of delusional normalniggers
Why. Do. You. Argue. Facts?

[Anonymous No.4365419]

>>4365404
Only a puritan /beg/ or normie that doesn't draw would say stuff like this -> >>4363323

Nice bait.

[Anonymous No.4365421]

>>4363967
>Can you twelve kids fifteen abortionites decide whether we're horny losers or hornless dogs already?
wtf does this even mean? the internet has corroded your brain

[Anonymous No.4365434]

>>4362118
why would you post this webm

[Anonymous No.4365447]

>>4365419
Quite insightful, Anon.
3000 IQ points to (You).
And don't forget to donate to my patreon.

[Anonymous No.4366233]

Goddamn I need to make an account aimed at coomers.

[Anonymous No.4366459]

>>4366233
You also need to make a name for yourself if you want to rank in those numbers.
You don't make it just if you start drawing boobs, you make it if you work hard on drawing boobs.

[Anonymous No.4366461]

>>4366459
Drawing boobs makes me hard. I guess I'm on the right path to success

[Anonymous No.4366463]

>>4366461
Working hard =/= Being hard.

If anything if you are a dickbrain, that means you'll have more trouble making it.

[Anonymous No.4366782]

>>4363323
What's a "real artist"?

[Anonymous No.4366806]

>arguing with a brain dead autismo
wtf is actually wrong with you all?

[Anonymous No.4367665]

>>4366806
deep inside they know the autist is right and they hate it
that's why they have to argue to reassert their own delusional view or they can't cope and will shoot themselves
t, brain dead autismo

[Anonymous No.4367906]

>>4364303
>It is indeed quite strange how every time you dare to even criticize or say something negative about a pornfag, there is a fleet of anons jumping in trying to discredit any critique.
What critique? You said drawing nsfw is bad, and gave no actual reason. Your only argument seems to be that people dogpiling you for saying something obviously divisive is getting some people annoyed. Explain why it's bad to enjoy drawing things that are sexually appealing. I will gladly accept your stance if you make any actual point outside of "pornfags bad".

[Anonymous No.4367928]

Another useless thread full of useless topics and trash artists. You guys never learn.

[Anonymous No.4367995]

>>4367906
>retards still believe im arguing with them
>"it isn't critique if i don't like what you said because bad words and i take everything literally because im autistic"
>What is an observation?
>What are implications?
>What are comparisons?
>Implying faggots will admit ever being proven wrong
>Implying arguing on a mongolian virology image sharing forum fucking matters
You're the ones who keep projecting their own insecurities
I'm just mocking your delusional asses with reality

keep zooming, coomer
>inb4 not a zoomer
thats even worse, fampai

[Anonymous No.4368009]

>>4367995
Jesus, you're desperate now lmao

[Anonymous No.4368011]

>>4368009
of course i am
6 million IQ points and upvotes to (you)

[Anonymous No.4368015]

>>4367995
My guess was that your art is probably worse than what is posted in OP. And seeing porn artists doing better than you makes you mad. I asked you to disprove my theory. You didn't.
I'm right, you are wrong. It's simple as that.

Now keep greentexting and talking to yourself. You already lost, sorry.

[Anonymous No.4368020]

>>4368015
>pyw
>ur art bad
2/8 shit bait
you'll never get me, coomers

[Anonymous No.4368023]

I rest my case. Keep crabbing.

[Anonymous No.4368028]

good work. Keep masturbating.

[Anonymous No.4368033]

>>4368020
>>4368011
>>4367995
>>4367665
>>4368028


how bout i fuck both of ur buttz

*coomer giggle*

[Anonymous No.4368043]

>>4368020
>heh I don't need to post an actual argument if I use a smug anime face. Checkmate, coomers.

[Anonymous No.4368055]

>>4368043
10 million upvotes
good job, fellow 4channer

[Anonymous No.4368061]

>>4368028
I prefer drawing.

[Anonymous No.4368064]

>>4368061
pyw

[Anonymous No.4368076]

>>4368064
I draw smut, so all you'll do will be more crabbing. Why even bother.

[Anonymous No.4368096]

>>4368076
>>4368076
>implying i don't know you're playing me
pyw
with timestamp

[Anonymous No.4368123]

>>4363831
>>4364511
>this much improvement in so few time
literal talented god

[Anonymous No.4368129]

>>4367995
>won't provide any argument for his blank statement and defend his claim
>won't post work to prove that he isn't larping on his other claim
oof you got obliterated anon, no damage control and moving the goalpost like this will change this fact

[Anonymous No.4368134]

>>4368129
(You)

[Anonymous No.4368137]

>>4368096
You didn't want to post your work, when you were asked to do so. Why should others listen to you?

[Anonymous No.4368139]

>>4368137
Because you're feeling inferior than me
pyw with timestamp and show you're better than me
but you won't post your own work
because you're pathetic failures

[Anonymous No.4368140]

>>4368139
What difference does it make if YOU won't post your work anyway?
You are just a sad troll at this point.

[Anonymous No.4368149]

>>4368140
Still not posting your work, drawlet

[Anonymous No.4368152]

>>4368149
You were the first one to be asked to do so after you claimed you are famous lol.

Still not posting your work, drawlet.

[Anonymous No.4368153]

>>4368149
Will you post your work after I post mine?

Inb4 more trolling with reaction pics.

[Anonymous No.4368168]

>>4368134
pathetic cope

[Anonymous No.4368176]

>>4368152
>you claimed you are famous
>vague statements are now specific
peak coombrain right there
>>4368153
I will post my patreon
where you can donate
>>4368168
(you)

[Anonymous No.4368179]

>>4368176
>I will post my patreon
where you can donate

Called it.

[Anonymous No.4368181]

>>4368176
>not argument to back up his claim
>no proof of his work to back up his claim
yikes yikes yikes

[Anonymous No.4368188]

>>4368176
>I will post my patreon
Works for me.

Pic related is hi-res detail of last thing I drew.

[Anonymous No.4368196]

>>4368188
>posts pywmemechan
I see you have donated

i can do that too
look

[Anonymous No.4368201]

>>4368196
You didn't donate. I posted that here a few days ago.
The pic I posted in the previous thread was not sent to my patrons yet.

But I guess this response means what I said is correct. You aren't as good an artist as CSR, so you babble coomer, to cope.

[Anonymous No.4368204]

>>4368196
You didn't donate. I posted that here a few days ago.
Both of these pics weren't sent to my patrons yet.

But I guess this response means what I said is correct. You aren't as good an artist as CSR, so you babble "coomer coomer", to cope with that fact.

[Anonymous No.4368205]

>>4368201
>it's the bbcchan shitposter
pyw

[Anonymous No.4368207]

>>4368205

>>4368204
>I guess this response means what I said is correct. You aren't as good an artist as CSR, so you babble "coomer coomer", to cope with that fact.

[Anonymous No.4368215]

>>4368207
I saw this coming a 10 threads ago
pyw faggot

[Anonymous No.4368220]

>>4368215
I just did. And you posted my work as well.
Where's that patreon link you promised me?

[Anonymous No.4368224]

>>4368220
You beat them, stop beating a dead corpse we get it you have balls the size of grapefruits give it a rest.

[Anonymous No.4368225]

>>4368220
I already posted my patreon and my work.
You just have to believe me because i say so.

btw
where's the timestamp?

[Anonymous No.4368232]

>>4368224
I don't like trolls.

>>4368225
I thought posting a hi-res detail of an artwork nobody has a copy of was better than something anybody can make a shop of.
Where's your artwork? Where's that patreon link?

[Anonymous No.4368244]

>>4368225
>>4368205
>>4368176
>>4368149
>>4368139
You pussied out

[Anonymous No.4368245]

>>4368232
>anon is passing off bcc chan as completely and utterly retarded
Or is it undeniable proof that porn really rots your brain?

How much did that picture cost you?

[Anonymous No.4368246]

>>4368232
>I don't like trolls
Are you new to the fucking Internet? Haven't you realized by now that the whole point they're replying to you is to keep you preoccupied with them? You've made your point he's a faggot that will not post work because he has no merit behind whatever audacious comment he made and sucks dicks just don't reply.

[Anonymous No.4368256]

>>4368246
I'm too deep in now to stop. It's also kinda amusing.

>>4368245
Haha, I love how you are moving the goalposts now, so that I stop replying out of fear to make myself look too desperate.

I think you can't really rebut to pic attached, so for the last time, where's your artwork?

[Anonymous No.4368263]

>>4368246
he is not bbc Its just the same legit autist pretending to be him on all threads
>>4368256
nice shoop retard
>image he posted earlier clearly visible on feed
>feb 13
How many times have you commissioned him already?

[Anonymous No.4368268]

>>4368256
I would have said that you are just as bad as they are because by now it is clear you love to shitpost as well but you have merit and we respect that you actually back your statements up with your illustrations but you're like a nigger in a fight that goes full neanderthal when an opponent is knocked out and you continue swinging in blind rage. You're going to kill them.

[Anonymous No.4368273]

>>4368263
>image he posted earlier clearly visible on feed
I posted a hi-res version of the last image I drew (I post low res versions of everything I draw to my twitter as soon as I'm done). I'm the only one that has the hi-res on my PC.
Where's your work?

[Anonymous No.4368277]

>>4368268
You consider this a knock out? I haven't seem them post their work yet.
I just want to prove my earlier statement that he's just coping with the fact that CSR is a better artist than him.

[Anonymous No.4368287]

>>4368277
They practically robbed your male Hymen and took your anal virginity away, desu I have never seen this level of bootyblasting here before they're viciously fucking you sideways and won't stop. Each reply is like you whimpering as a sign you still have vitals left so they can continue pummeling your tight little boipucci. It's over you're fucked and anally destroyed.

[Anonymous No.4368293]

>>4368273
>I'm the only one that has the hi-res on my PC.
Where is your timestamp with your work then?
>>4368277
>still implying i am a coping jealous crab
Quite strange
i never said anything about the quality of work of anybody
Is it true then that pornfags are merely exploiting the current social climate of cultural decadence and addiction to adultery to sell their work like candy?
Doesn't that make porn suppliers like drug dealers?
If this statement was untrue, why is there so much motion about trying to discredit me at any cost?
Is my sin of speaking true?

[Anonymous No.4368294]

>>4368287
I don't think you are replying to who you think you are replying to.

[Anonymous No.4368298]

>>4368293
I posted my twitter profile page and you replied with >nice shoop
but somehow putting a timestamp on an artwork will indeniably convince you it's not shopped.
Post your work, crab.

[Anonymous No.4368299]

>>4368294
Yeah I just realized that now it was meant for the other faggot, I don't even know who's who anymore

[Anonymous No.4368311]

>>4368293
Dude, you're not as smart as you think you are lol

[Anonymous No.4368312]

>>4368298
>t. faggiest of fags
Baffling at how you can't conceive a manner of involving your own work with a timestamp to how you can prove your claims
Yet a still twitter image that's easy to put together is seen as undeniable proof
>>4368299
nice failed support, retard

[Anonymous No.4368315]

>>4368311
(you)

[Anonymous No.4368316]

>>4368299
>retard doesn't know who's who on an anonymous board
>retard has trouble being retarded

[Anonymous No.4368317]

>>4368312
>Baffling at how you can't conceive a manner of involving your own work with a timestamp to how you can prove your claims
>Yet a still twitter image that's easy to put together is seen as undeniable proof
https://twitter.com/BBCChanArt/status/1228364407446654976

Post your work.

[Anonymous No.4368319]

>>4368256
lmao that other larper keeps getting BTFO over and over, this whole thread is just him seething with nothing to back up his posts

[Anonymous No.4368327]

>>4368317
welp it's over, other guy is annihilated

[Anonymous No.4368337]

>>4368317
>>4368319
>>4368327
>still believes twatter is proof
>samefagging hard
pyw with timestamp, retard

[Anonymous No.4368342]

>>4368337
duuuude lmao

[Anonymous No.4368344]

>>4368337
So now I'm also a hacker? JFC XD

I'll take my own advice and stop. GG crab.

[Anonymous No.4368350]

>>4368337
kek damage control harder

[Anonymous No.4368374]

>>4368342
>>4368344
>>4368350
>the absolute state of pornfags
alright, i'll make my move
watch the feed

[Anonymous No.4368384]

>>4368374
People are still waiting for you to pyw

[Anonymous No.4368392]

>>4368384
post my work then

[Anonymous No.4368398]

>>4368374
the guy posted his work and confirmed that he was indeed himself, while you miserably posted HIS work (literally acting as if you acknowledge that he is good and has credibility by posting his work instead of yours)
all is left for you is to kneel and cope, dog.
we're done here

[Anonymous No.4368426]

>>4368398
>PYW
>THAT ONE GUY DID IT
>YOU CANT SAY THINGS IF YOUR NOT BETTER THAN HIM
>YOU POSTED HIS WORK TOTALLY UNIRONICALLY
>the absolute fucking state of delusional normies
I thought artists were better than regular normies
You're worse than npcs holy shit

[Anonymous No.4368431]

>>4368426
>waah waah waah
cope.

[Anonymous No.4368432]

>>4368426
Nigger, you got assblasted by the lowest of the low. Pack up, you are done.

[Anonymous No.4368437]

>>4368426
Ok, but where's your work?

[Anonymous No.4368448]

>>4368426
if you can't back your own statements, then why do you challenge people?

you lost, it's time to stop posting now.

[Anonymous No.4368456]

>>4368431
(you)
>>4368432
>the lowest of low
pyw
>>4368437
right here
>>4368448
What are you so insecure about?

[Anonymous No.4368480]

>>4368456
Sad, really

[Anonymous No.4368498]

>>4362082
I just want to say this man can't draw. I'm laughing at the ongoing shitflinging, but no, he really, really can't draw. And no amount of money will change that. Jeff Bezos could donate him his entire fortune and he still won't be able to draw. Every time I start to think I might be just a bit shit, a thread like this comes along to remind how low everybody else's standards are. That's all. Not going to pmw, spare me the (you)s.

[Anonymous No.4368506]

>this pyw crabfest
Lol what's wrong with you guys

[Anonymous No.4368511]

>>4368506
Post your work faggot

[Anonymous No.4368514]

>>4368506
We need more people like BBChan putting you faggots in your place.

[Anonymous No.4368517]

ITT
>normieville
>lack of self-awareness
>all the delusions you can come up with
>all the inferiority complex you can deal with
>porn addicts defending their drugs
>literal sociopath bringing his paypigs along
>all the (you)s you can manage
>the absolute state of this board
What will you guys do once porn is banned and criminalized?

[Anonymous No.4368569]

>>4368506
>>4368517
Still waiting for you to post your work. Shameless backpedaling and taunting once you got shit on. Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.4368575]

>>4368498
>Not going to pmw
nobody thought you would, crab.

>>4368517
You got destroyed, let it go already.

[Anonymous No.4368581]

ITT
>unfathomable lack of self awareness

[Anonymous No.4368603]

>>4368569
>>4368575
if you say this is bad your just jelous

[Anonymous No.4368616]

>>4362111
nigga have you WORKED before? Have you done freelance work to be able to EAT? You're never doing what you like, you're doing what other people ask of you all the time

[Anonymous No.4368764]

>>4368603

[Anonymous No.4368853]

>>4368603
Comparing that crap to CSR's drawings kek.

[Anonymous No.4368865]

>>4364195
only going to TRY and attempt to have a genuine discussion cause you actually took the time to prove who you are and this is a wasted thread of trolling and shitflinging...

I think what >>4362105 and people like him are poorly trying to articulate isnt so much the art ability, it has more to do with the recognition and the larger atmosphere of the (predominantly online) artistic atmostphere in general.

Incoming longwinded stream of consciousness post: (1/??)
Id wager their greivences are: (1)The subject has overtaken the importance of craft/ability. (2)The subjects that have overtaken the importance of craft are shallow and placate the most shallow ordinances of mans consciousness. (3)The current trend seems to be getting stronger not weaker, so issues that arise from the previous (2) greviences will only get worse not better. (4)Dissatisfaction with how recognition, appreciation, and rewards(money or otherwise) are handed out disproportionately.

[Anonymous No.4368869]

>>4364195
But what if art skill really is some finite resource? How can you be sure it's not?

[Anonymous No.4368870]

>>4368865
(2/??)
As an example, imagine an online fashion community where people are making whatever style of dress they like and the criteria for whats good is (mostly) formal.
>Attention to fabric types, colors, the way cloth falls, how materials interact with each other visually as well as comfortably, etc
Just as you might expect some people are better than others so a natural stratification of skill emerges. This is ok, very few people get mad at a system where shared meritocratic criteria are applied fairly across the board.
Now lets take 'Joe'.
>Hes a middling hobbyist fashion designer, his work isnt bad but its nothing special, the kind of work you scroll past and dont even realize ur scrolling past to get to the actually GOOD guys work. Not so bad you make fun of it, but hes run-of-the-mill.
Joe does something a bit different, he takes his lameass generic designs, finds pic related, and does a photo-op with her. Now Joe is getting eyes on his pics, Joe is the guy people who are coming into the community name as who they want to make clothes like when they get "good", Joe is getting followers and has gone from forgettable hobbyist to making damn decent income. People aren't dumb, they see this, they see what hes done and how its worked so they decide to do the same thing.
Now suddenly the community(or at least large swaths of it) are concerned less about the previous formal criteria (what they view as the more pure components of their art), they're concerned about more meta shit.

[Anonymous No.4368877]

>>4368870
(3/??)
>Who is the current hottest model that people want to fuck so that i can take pics of her wearing my clothes
>What kinds of clothes will show off the assets of this hot ass model, maybe another string bikini will get eyes!
>All I ever want to do is make is revealing swimwear, and shear see-through lingerie! Why ever improve or exit my comfort zone? Hell, I'll even pose my model the same as everybody else, and take compose my shits virtually identically as every other designer too! It doesnt matter because thats what people want to see right?
Thats what >>>4362105 is kinda getting at with artistic soul. The online atmosphere has gone from:
>Make what you like! long as its 'good' ur golden! even better if its original and full of 'soul'.
>Make fan art if you want any chance at succeeding cause all eyes are just on IPs of the month.
>Find the IP girl of the month and draw her uncharacteristically showing her tits and ass lol. Even better if you placate to some niche fetish.
Thats an understandably depressing shift in tone man. Even if things existed like this in some capacity since the start the idea its getting worse and theres no tipping point in sight is frustrating to many artists to say the least...

[Anonymous No.4368880]

>>4368877
(4/??)
These people (the aggrieved) feel its no longer about becoming "better" and is now just about socially engineering a fan-base. What really pisses them off is the shift in recognition. There are tons of incredibly good artists online that dont get so much as a retweet whereas someone of comprable skill will have a following in the tens of thousands just because they draw X girl of the week getting dicked down by Y dude. The former artist gets recognition (and sometimes a 6 fig income) while the latter is left in the dust. Its frustrating for a lot of 'SFWfags' to see that happen time and time again, especially when it could very well be a reflection of their own future. "Wow...I could spend the next 4 years getting really really good, but nobody will give a shit about anything I post or make unless i start drowning every girl i make in buckets of cum, or appealing to some goofy ass fetish."

[Anonymous No.4368890]

>>4368880
(5/??)
It was the same way with concept art just 5 or so years ago. This issue isnt so much smut in and of itself, it's that smut has (strangely enough) become a quasi-pop version of art, a way to 'soullessly' pump out subject matter
that appeals to a common enough denominator of the online art-viewing community to claim success in some way. I think what lends credence to this is people hate NSFWfags for the same reason they hate Illya. CSR isnt a bad artist, just like Ilya isnt a bad artist. They're both (i would say) decent formally speaking. They can make artwork 70% of the time that doesnt look like shit and every now and then they produce something that could be called appealing. The issue is that these dudes are known names in the online sphere when there are plenty of incredible artists that nobody has ever heard of. They're second rate artists skill wise (admittedly still a respectable rank) but they seem to garner a far greater level of praise/reward than they deserve (at least according to the aggrieved artists lol. but thats another discussion). I think a similar comparison can be made with Fan art during the mid 2000's to the early 2010's, where a lot of industry people were jaded by the idea that some amateur online goon could draw fanart of an IP (sometimes they themselves help create lol) and gain massive followings and with that the respect, $$$ and recognition that follows. So its not so much implicit of NSFW art (thats existed online for decades and SFWfags never complained until it because the absolute machine of an industry it is today lol [I think the same phenomena is seen with instathots and sex work...])

[Anonymous No.4368895]

>>4368890
(6/6)
Another thing is how pervasive nsfw art has gotten in the last 4-5 years. Looking at something like furfags I think (especially now) they by and large stay to their own realm, and don't really invade whatever artist areas they exist on tooo badly, contrast that with nsfw(specifically smut) art which seems to NEED to exist everywhere. It floods discords, it flooded tumblr homepages, it floods twitter feeds, it floods forums, and now it even floods Chinese basket-weaving imageboards dominating every 3rd discussion and derailing at an annoyingly high rate.

tl:dr
Getting recognition as an artist by placating to subject matter(often crass subject matter at that..), rather than the formal qualities of art, aggravates a lot of artists.

[Anonymous No.4368902]

>>4368870
>>4368870
>>4368877
>>4368880
>>4368890
>>4368895
I read everything you wrote and you are wrong. Go get an education bitch boi

[Anonymous No.4368911]

4368902
thanks for the (You)'s :^)

[Anonymous No.4368922]

>>4368865
>>4368870
>>4368877
>>4368880
>>4368890
>>4368895
Good posts. I know how to get the likes and retweets now.

[Anonymous No.4368930]

>>4368865
>>4368870
>>4368877
>>4368880
>>4368890
>>4368895
Best post on this board
Insightful and Realistic

But you'll understand soon enough that reason and objectivity doesn't work with these retards
they will all take it personally because they're ashamed of their existence and will an hero as soon as their ego shatters
And they will deflect at any costs
They're miserable faggots chasing money and nobody can stop them
Just make fun of them for the failures they are

[Anonymous No.4368980]

>>4368865
>>4368870
>>4368877
>>4368880
>>4368890
>>4368895
SFW or NSFW. If you want to make it you have to have good art, good work ethics, good marketing sense if you want to make it.
Only people that don't do it for a living would dismiss NSFW as easy money/fanbase.

[Anonymous No.4368985]

>>4368865
>>4368870
>>4368877
>>4368880
>>4368890
>>4368895
SFW or NSFW, if you want to make it you have to have good art, good work ethics, and good marketing sense.
Only people that don't have enoughe experience with art would dismiss NSFW as easy money/fanbase.

[Anonymous No.4368998]

>>4368870
Who's that in the pic?

[Anonymous No.4369005]

>>4368998
>this amount of coombrain
Never change, retards.

[Anonymous No.4369011]

>>4368998
Demi Rose

[Anonymous No.4369019]

>>4369011
Thanks

[Anonymous No.4369021]

>>4369005
You have to admire the coom brain. Never straying from the basic human desire to breed.

[Anonymous No.4369022]

>Getting recognition as an artist by placating to subject matter(often crass subject matter at that..), rather than the formal qualities of art, aggravates a lot of artists.
Yes, and those artists are immature. What we are all ultimately looking for is appealing, eye-catching content, and pornography is extremely good at that since it leads us to orgasm. On this current Internet people can easily share porn with each other, so that's what happens. The pussy earlier knows this so he's calling for a porn ban.

Understanding of things like light and perspective, while still good, takes a backseat in the world of porn, that's just life. Again, people who are bothered by this are obsessed with external validation. I find it extremely pathetic how people can talk down at pornfags and in the next moment seethe that benis in vagina anime pic on Twitter got 30k likes. It betrays a lack of cultivation

[Anonymous No.4369027]

>>4369005
>>4369021
I think you need a dose of this post. >>4362673

[Anonymous No.4369037]

>>4368985
Them saying its easy is just their poor ability to express the real issue, which is subject matter is a seemingly stronger determinant than the formal qualities you listed. Most independent artists stand to gain from switching from OC to fan art, and from fan art to smut fanart..SFWfags feel their on the losing end of the deal in that regard..

>>4369022
I expected a response like this coming up eventually. I kind of thought this way for a while but its a bit disingenuous on further inspection.

I mean why does anyone post art online at all? Are we really going to try and deceive ourselves that validation and external recognition for our hard work and ideas aren't integral to what pushes the (especially online) art industry?

also it being just life doesn't further any discussion lol. The people butt-blasted by this already know that's what it's like, that's why they shit talk nsfw fags in the first place? They feel it 'shouldn't' be that way...

[Anonymous No.4369086]

A reminder to all pornfags to gtfo my board immediately

know your place, trash

[Anonymous No.4369091]

>>4369086
/ic/ is a red board, retard

[Anonymous No.4369092]

>>4369086
>year 2020
>conservatives still exist
>and on an especially degenerate site like 4chan
How is that even possible

[Anonymous No.4369093]

>>4369086
You realize that you're on 4chan and not 4channel, right? This is an adult orientated board, please take your leave.

[Anonymous No.4369099]

>>4369037
>Are we really going to try and deceive ourselves that validation and external recognition for our hard work and ideas aren't integral to what pushes the (especially online) art industry?
No, we aren't going to do that since while I understand what you say, it's not what I'm talking about (obsession). Any super skilled artist with a level head can look at the porn sphere of the net and understand that a) sex sells and b) l33t stuff like advanced light, edge, perspective, color etc doesn't matter much in bringing a person to ORGASM, that's just life. Again, to put an end to this we can a) regulate the shit out of the internet or b) somehow lobotomize human beings so that they stop responding to pornographic stimuli.

>They feel it 'shouldn't' be that way...
I understand this but I find it unresonable. It should be this way, because human beings coom. People who wail about porn artists are fucking dorks who need to come to terms with how the world works. If people could just focus more on their personal cultivation of skill and getting recognized by their idols and less on the circumstances of hueg clout porn artist #2134 they wouldn't be creating these threads to bitch about "coomers". If coomers are so stupid, what the fuck do you care that 30k of them clicked a like button? Low calibre hypocrite trash, uncultivated idiots who think you're so pure and moral but you still have such perverted priorities. Turn off the computer, go outside, sort yourselves out. Most of you probably fucking suck at drawing too and deserve a beating.

[Anonymous No.4369106]

>>4368865
>>4362105
In terms of
>only to just use it to bangwagon on the latest online craze? How can you do this and still maintain your artistic soul?
CSR is one of the least offenders.
>(1)
And this is bad...why?
>(2)
Essentially "it's shallow because I say so"` is not an argument.
>(3)
Even if it is getting stronger, which needs to be proven in the first place, why would that be bad?
>(4)
Just because person ABCDE is good at it, why should I give that person my attention and money when themes (I am talking in general, not just ero) that I like are not present?

>>4368870
Seems like Joe is better at marketing than his peers.
If Joe inspires other people to take up his craft because they liked his work, WHY would that be bad?

>>4368877
Unbelievably snobby. Your hate boner for certain "subjects" is showing.

>>4368880
Refer to my Joe section

>>4368890
>I think what lends credence to this is people hate NSFWfags for the same reason they hate Illya. CSR isnt a bad artist, just like Ilya isnt a bad artist.
Now that's a reach. People give Ilya shit because he had the audacity to call out other people while being a tracer,

>>4368895
If a platform allows NSFW content, you are to blame for not blacklisting it.

[Anonymous No.4369110]

>>4369092
It's "puritans", not "conservatives".

[Anonymous No.4369147]

>>4369086
If you come here to look at pictures you're on the wrong board.
This board is for pictures you yourself draw. It's not even directly about discussing the artistic qualities of pictures by other people, that's merely allowed for the purposes of improving your own craft.
Now, which one of these porn boards is for specifically the pornographic pictures you yourself draw, and for discussion aiming to improve your skills at producing specifically pornographic images?
And if there even is such a board, why is /ic/ (and even /i/) red?

[Anonymous No.4369164]

>>4369106
Isn't 'bad', its just not the criteria in which success is measured that the people mad want lol. It's arbitrary either way, but something being 'arbitrary' doesn't make it any better (or worse.). It just means either side is just as valid in their agenda really which gets us nowhere in a discussion.

I could go a lot further into why an argument for (2) being shallow has credence (whether I agree or not withstanding) but that's neither here nor there because those weren't arguments they were premises lol.
>Assuming these(1,2,3..) are their grievances here is why I feel they are mad as opposed to the theory BBC-chan posted.

All I was doing was giving my take on what their issue was because I felt the BBC-chan poster was missing the mark. Maybe you shouldn't give your money and attention to people who dont make subjects you enjoy lol. Theres certainly a discussion to be had over the tension between what (might be idk desu) be the platonic ideal of the artist vs the artists role in a free-market capitalism system.

>Unbelievably snobby. Your hate boner for certain "subjects" is showing.
I think this is unfair lol. I don't hate any subjects I was putting forth the mindset that the sfw people might be operating under..

the insults aren't needed man.

[Anonymous No.4369173]

>>4369099
I have no issue with the first comment but
> It should be this way, because human beings coom
Some feel humans should rise above these needs I guess? You obviously don't agree but you can see where a natural tension would arise then?

> If coomers are so stupid, what the fuck do you care that 30k of them clicked a like button? Low calibre hypocrite trash, uncultivated idiots who think you're so pure and moral but you still have such perverted priorities. Turn off the computer, go outside, sort yourselves out. Most of you probably fucking suck at drawing too and deserve a beating.
I could certainly see a mindset were the aggravation comes from not wanting stupid people to be stupid. I could also see people becoming biter and resentful over the idea that not even stupid people like their work lmao..
most NSFW artists prolly suck at drawing as well..

[Anonymous No.4369195]

>>4369173
>most NSFW artists prolly suck at drawing as well
Just as most SFW ones do.

[Anonymous No.4369196]

>>4369164
Pointing out your condescending attitude is not an insult.

[Anonymous No.4369203]

>>4369173
>Some feel humans should rise above these needs I guess?
Humans are rather unique when it comes to sexuality. Due to having highly developed brains capable of complex emotions and complex reasoning, we're one of the few species that are able to enjoy sexuality in addition to having a need for it. Other animals fuck only because they need to.
It follows that even if you completely satisfied or removed the need for sexuality among humans they'd still commit to it because it's fun. Nothing would change.

In addition, discrediting basic needs doesn't make for an argument. Everyone needs to drink and eat, they can enjoy nice drinks and foods, and everyone needs a degree of sexuality and are able to enjoy it. They all need to sleep, and are able to enjoy it too. Setting this one apart from the rest is absurd.

[Anonymous No.4369208]

>>4369195
Yeah, that was my point, most artists in most categories probably suck

>>4369196
? I'm not sure what attitude you're projecting onto me or even really why. Maybe you could elaborate and we could clarify our positions/intents?

[Anonymous No.4369212]

>>4368930
-> >>4362673

[Anonymous No.4369214]

>>4369208
Just to make sure we're on the same page, what was your intention with >>4368877

[Anonymous No.4369221]

>>4369203
Fair enough, though I've heard of other conceptual models regarding humans and sexuality. Whereas you make a distinction between a need for sex and a desire for pleasure, another model could instead posit both are just an attempt at attain pleasure.With humans just doing more mental gymnastics for categorizing who/what/when/where/why and how you know? I guess someone who'd see human behavior like that (as well as want humans to overcome some list of 'needs') would really be attempting to overcome some sense of wanton pleasure(maybe even pleasure in general)? Ascetic monks and cultures are all about this for instance although I doubt most of the people crying about nsfw fall into this category, none the less something to think about for fun..

[Anonymous No.4369236]

>>4369214
I was just relaying out the mindset of what I think the people bitching about NSFW art are operating under. I was stepping into their shoes, attempting to see their grievances/perspective, and then relaying what and where they may be coming from (and some ideas on why) because I felt
>The best part is seeing sfw artists act like nsfw artists are taking away from their work in any way. Like if they didn't spend the time drawing what they want and developing the skill that means it would make your art better or if people weren't looking for nsfw they would be automatically be drawn to your work instead. They draw it because the want to and people look at it because that's what they're looking for, it doesn't mean if people stop drawing it you'll suddenly get more art gains or suddenly your work will get more views.

Acting like art skill is some finite resource and nsfw artists are hogging it all isn't going to help you develop so why go around in places you don't want to be?

Was misunderstanding the situation, more specifically I guess
>Acting like art skill is some finite resource and nsfw artists are hogging it all isn't going to help you develop so why go around in places you don't want to be?

It's (at least I feel) not so much nsfwfags getting X money, its that Sfwfags feel a certain criteria is ideal, and that nsfwfags get ahead by doing things outside this ""ideal"" criteria. It's more a frustration with how appreciation is doled out disproportionately than it is the total amount of appreciation. Sfwfags wouldnt be bitching if they got more or equal to nsfwfags, and they wouldn't be bitching if nsfwfags suddenly started getting less. As I see it so long as they seemingly get more relative to them they will be asspained lol

[Anonymous No.4369269]

>>4369173
>Some feel humans should rise above these needs I guess?
Sure, that's understandable and perhaps even admirable but attacking pornfag artists because they receive "undeserved" (lol) attention is completely misguided and in my mind betrays the critic's vulgar, low-class obsession with external validation, and that's why I call these people immature shitheads. Again, the current situation is a result of the human condition and a lack of checks on the Internet as it works today. If somebody wants to change this situation he shouldn't be crying on a red 4chan board.

My replies in this thread are a critique of the typical anti-pornfag as I interpret it. I find most of them to be at least as vile and lowly as the people they criticize. Look at >>4368517 and all his earlier replies for example, what a snake and cowardly fucking idiot. No wonder /ic/ is so shitty these days.

>You obviously don't agree
Why do you think that I don't agree? Have I implied that the prevalence of porn on the Internet is good for people? When I say "should" I'm merely drawing a conclusion, I'm not saying that it's the ideal order of things.

>you can see where a natural tension would arise then?
Yes but what I'm complaining about is the chosen outlet. To the rest of us these people are just disruptive newfag hypocrite puritan cancer.

>I could certainly see a mindset were the aggravation comes from not wanting stupid people to be stupid.
I don't see this mindset. I see jealousy. These people are fuming because the likes aren't distributed as they see fit. Sincere people on a journey to reach SKILL wouldn't be preoccupied with these thoughts. How can they have the gall to complain about their natural superiors?

[Anonymous No.4369274]

I am concerned that you are losing yourselves in banal discussions. Let God guide you. Ask him to fill your heart with light. Jesus saves!

[Anonymous No.4369276]

>>4369236
Okay, I take back what I said. Seems like I read too much into it and I thought that you were just writing in 3rd person to disguise your own agenda.

[Anonymous No.4369296]

>>4369269
I assumed you felt it should because you said you felt it unreasonable. My mistake lol

Yeah that guy was a shithead (though /ic/ has always been filled with them, I think the quality of the bard has been roughly the same fr the last 8 years or so)

I do think their frustration is misguided as well, but as mentioned earlier it seems to be poorly expressed and not very well thought out. Its kind of like how some people get mad at the rich, when in reality being mad at the system itself would probably be a better use of their efforts.

I don't agree with the puritan cancer name though(at least in so far it implies they feel deeply that smut is morally outrageous and that's why they're mad), these same people (at least as i see it ) don't have an issue with the subject matter in itself (as you point out they probably view and draw sexy things as well) more an issue with how well the subject matter does compared to their own chosen subject matter. I guess thats where I was going with the Illya example and the earlier fan art example...I think anime style art in itself during the early to mid 2000's was received the same way. As you(I think it was you lol) said whats driving this are deeper factors like biology and systems so its a pretty abstract underlying point of contention.

interestingly enough, I think a better tl:dr to my earlier post might be "where you see Jealousy, I see Envy" now that you bring that up..

[Anonymous No.4369304]

>>4369276
S'all good, homie. I'm p much neutral here, It was just unfortunate to see what could've been a thread where some level of understanding was established, or look into the root of these issues go to waste....and to so pyw shit flinging at that.

[Anonymous No.4369853]

ITT
>reddit
>hyperconsumption of porn good
>everything you say on the internet is serious business
>pornfags maximum delusions
>pornfags maximum over shilling
>pyw so we know who you are and can hunt you down for daring to disagree with out narrative
>crab because if it isn't hollow praise then don't say anything
>seethe because i must protect my ego
>cope because i must protect my ego
>puritan because stop not being like me
>jealous because you must be worse than [insert smutfaggot here]
>Maximum insecurity posting
>irrational anger at getting their faggotry called out
>arguing against facts
>not even arguing but trying to outright discredit anything negative that hurts their narrative
>what a fucking beacon of integrity
>what a fucking beacon of humility
>what a fucking beacon of intellect
>why not just ignore it?
>reactions makes previous statements valid
>worst of all is that they did this themselves
i could still go on endlessly baiting you retards and you would still gobble it up because you need to validate your delusions.

All i'm putting in the room is what you will do once porn is banned and criminalized?
This doesn't concern drawfags alone.
It's the whole adult market.
Because, believe it or not, a lot of important and influential people are preparing their cases. What the major issues will be i leave it up to you anons since you have such vivid imagination.
And this is all because pornfags don't know their place
btw not gonna (you) anymore since all you will do is scream, cope and deflect
nice knowing you /ic/

[Anonymous No.4369879]

>>4369853
annihilated guy, still posting kek.

[Anonymous No.4369890]

>>4369853
>pyw so we know who you are and can hunt you down for daring to disagree with out narrative
ROFL
stop making up stuff already. you are nobody. who the hell cares about nobodies.

[Anonymous No.4369898]

>>4369890
I care about you anon UwU..

[Anonymous No.4369901]

>>4364464
>>4364497
not that guy and i know this is 3 days old, but caffeine is a drug. I am one of the few lucky people who is overly sensitive to caffeine and It is hell on earth anytime I accidentally ingest something that has caffeine in it without my knowledge. the withdrawals suck too

[Anonymous No.4369902]

>>4369853
Porn will likely never get banned; porn companies, however, have been exposed as fronts for the human and sex trafficking industries. Your energy is far better spent helping to expose this to the public, along with supporting age verification and carding for NSFW access, glowie.

As long as the containment thread is marked, GB3 content gets banned and shoved off to /b, and they fuck off, there is no problem.

[Anonymous No.4370158]

>>4369898
if you are a weirdo, that's your fucking problem, annihilated kun.

[Anonymous No.4370182]

>>4369853
>it was a seething puritan polkek all along
yikes yikes yikes, ain't no one gonna read your whole drivel sweetie

[Anonymous No.4370196]

>>4369853
of course hyperconsumption of porn is bad you retard, the problem is people like you consider ANY consumption of porn hyperconsumption.

just dont be a fag; coom in moderation.

[Anonymous No.4370364]

>>4370158
Cope.

[Anonymous No.4370444]

>>4368870
Sounds like Joe has better business sense than the rest of those designers.
Tell me, how is this different compared to pretty much any other field of creative work? You see this kind of thing everywhere but I've never seen people bitch about it as much as I do here.

[Anonymous No.4370449]

>>4369853
Of course it's a /pol/lack

[Anonymous No.4370468]

>>4370444
/ic/ gets all the dumb crossboarders who aren't even academically trained.

[Anonymous No.4370551]

>>4370364
Cope with what? You are the one that got destroyed by a coomer, but you are still posting.
Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.4370574]

>>4370444
I think you'd be correct in that assessment!
I don't mean to be rude but I know it'll come off that way regardless so I apologize in advance but, thats has less to do with reality and more to do with your own ignorance of other creative fields maybe...and honestly even a lot of non-creative industries. I can say this about fashion, certain music genres, I know there was a point where this occurred in dance, at one point I think games/gamedevelopment saw this, you see it plenty of places. The tension tends to arise (as I understand it..) when business begins to overtake (or at the very least radically shift) whatever metrics for success previously existed. It's the never ending battle between stagnation and development (and I mean to use those words in as neutral a way as possible, stagnation isn't bad, and neither is development).

[Anonymous No.4370576]

>>4370444 (2/?)
The mechanism I hypothesize broadly goes something like:
>Group X establishes some social circle and within it some practice
>Group X begins to form an ideal about what this practice should be, and how those who do well in it should act (the platonic ideal of the practice if you will)
>Group X becomes content with this criteria (all is well!)
>Some members of Group X (X^1) or maybe even Some members from Group Y don't do as well as they might like in this system
>*X^1 and/or Group Y members employ a strategy previously not agreed upon, utilized, or available to exploit the system (usually to great success!)
>Sections of Group X, see X^1 and Group Y members doing well in ways the system never says they should do well in. They feel cheated because they're playing by the "rules"(written, unwritten doesn't really matter) but are falling behind.
>Group X splits into those willing to change things (X^a), and those unwilling (X^b).
>The two sides squabble.

*note, the environment can also change making previous strategies considerably more potent then previously found, either instance will still carry the same ramifications.

almost none of this is deliberate of course, but this is the flowchart I'm willing to put forth. If anyone has something to add, correct, change feel free to posit your own!

[Anonymous No.4370579]

>>4370576 (3/?)
I think both parties(its really not 2, its more like millions that clump vaguely to 2 sides but we all know this) understand that having good business sense DOES play a significant part in the success(and more honestly the enjoyment) of being an artist. The argument is SHOULD it, to what degree, and (if possible to ascertain) in what ways. The first part I think reasonably both parties can agree on right? So that leaves the question:
> (1) How large a role should business sense play in determining the social stratification of the artist in the current age.
I'm willing take a leap here and say, if someone is more of a libertarian, free market capitalist minded individual you probably think "as much as it happens to at any given point". Another individual concerned more about purity, categorization, etc (usually these people tend to be conservative types) the idea that 'art' should become subservient to the ends of buisness in any circumstance sound horrific and depressing. That person would fall more on the "As little as possible" category. Someone who is very industrious, pragmatic, and doesnt see much utility in art as a form of pure free expression might feel "As much as possible" because buisness (ideally) maximizes the utility of things for a society.And there are hundreds of others spattered on the spectrum..

I guess at that point to answer question (1) you have to ask question (2)
>(2) What SHOULD art be.

And thaaaaats a pretty hard question to get enough people to agree on such that things can smooth out lol...

[Anonymous No.4370581]

>>4370579 (4/?)
some sub-questions that might be useful are:
> Can/should a distinction be made between art (pure formal qualities for pure formal qualities sake) and business-minded art (how one uses these formal qualities to appeal to an audience)
> If buisness SHOULD play a large role in deciding what art should do well and receive recognition (and there is no distinction between pure-art and business-minded-art) what should the practices and ethics be? Are there artistic practices that exist that are so insidious we can say no to those things. ( an extreme example might be actual footage of child pornography, sexual abuse, sexual exploitation. We already acknowledge (I HOPE!) that (even if the child will never know about the footage) its ethically wrong to create such footage for artistic purposes or otherwise; so theres a cap already, just how far do you go with it becomes the issue).
> How should (if at all) the viewer vs creator relationship be balanced? On one extreme you get super pretension art curated to be whats hot and whats not in the art world, but on the other end you get 0 curation and so the community feels nothing really matters (the idea of getting better at art becomes an absurdity because theres no up, only across..)
>Should distinctions be made between hobbyist artists vs working artists? One obviously has more incentive to prioritize business strategies and this might only agitate the lay hobbyist who wants a pure art of expression and fun? Perhaps creating a new term/bracket for these things could split the two and keep both parties happy and i their own pen mostly lol.

[Anonymous No.4370887]

>>4369853
Take your meds u schizo fuckwit

[Anonymous No.4370931]

The only people that care about the purity of art are shitty artists themselves or those that want to appear intelligente. Art is a craft.

[Anonymous No.4370935]

>cutesexyrobutts is the 4th best artist on patreon
What the fuck bros, why didn't you tell me this. I thought he was just some shitty artist from 4chan

[Anonymous No.4371060]

>>4370935
Based on what information? how do people know Sakimichan is even the 1st?

[Anonymous No.4371065]

>>4371060
Sorry I'm blind and misread 9 as 4. But this is where it shows Sakimichan is 1. Of course since we're talking Patreon, we're talking Adult Drawing and Painting too. No one here cares about that vanilla patreon stuff.

[Anonymous No.4371257]

>>4371065
This Kidmo dude...literally a painted over porn scene with some gooks face pasted on. Is it really this easy?

[Anonymous No.4371348]

>>4371065
they aint even near the half of sakimichan. true queen worked hard for her shit

[Anonymous No.4371376]

>>4369027
All I hear is "cooooooooom"

[Anonymous No.4371763]

>>4371257
No, it isn't. You need to make a name for yourself, so that your fanbase is big enough to rank in those numbers.
Your attitude and obliviousness is what guarantees you are ngmi.