/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4333315]

>*creates an entire diorama with hand made sculptures and perfect lighting on an art room table*
>multiple printouts and photos of people, buildings and animals for reference
>spend multiple days painting layer upon layer
>calls it drawing from imagination
>palaeontologist tells him to change it because it’s not accurate
>kek

Is James gurney overworking his professional pieces by doing this, or do most artists go through this much trouble for something? Some of his paintings done this way even have pretty terrible flaws.

Thoughts on using more or less reference?

[Anonymous No.4333322]

At least he's making his own reference and not grabbing shit off public domain also

>doubting the gurney
lmao

[Anonymous No.4333323]

>>4333315
He's just a dinosaur himself doing the equivalent of what modern digital artists do with photobashing/3d model paintovers.

[Anonymous No.4333353]

The guy fucking makes his own refs, thats being based to a whole new level, understand this shithead, very very few people can draw from imagination with no refs, and the ammount of things they can do from complete memory is very limited, i'm pretty sure Gurney can draw dinos from memory pretty damn well, but why limit yourself? It's dumb, stop being a fucking retard, anon, it gets sad.

[Anonymous No.4333358]

>>4333322
>>4333353
Hi James

[Anonymous No.4333466]

>>4333358
Pathetic NGMI

[Anonymous No.4333472]

>>4333466
It's ok James, I'm sure your kids will visit you in the nursing home when the time comes.

[Anonymous No.4333486]

>>4333472
Damn bro gurney is on boards dot four chan dot org forward slash ic forward slash thread forward slash four three three three three one five

[Anonymous No.4333489]

>>4333486
Good to see the Alzheimer's hasn't set in too much yet.

[Anonymous No.4333491]

>>4333489
Very dumb

[Anonymous No.4333492]

>>4333491
Aw, don't be too hard on yourself.

[Anonymous No.4333510]

>places a toy t-rex in an icy puddle of water
>takes a quick photo for lighting reference
>makes a few quick sketches in watercolor to get the layout
>makes absolutely beautiful oil painting of the scene and sells it to a magazine

of course /ic/ is retarded enough to hate on based Gurney

[Anonymous No.4333512]

I bet he just likes the whole process so much that he doesn't even want to change it.
And it works out for him so I don't see a problem.
I like his plein air painting videos a lot too, very educational.

[Anonymous No.4333514]

>>4333512
>>4333510
He's a competent illustrator and clearly enjoys doing what he does. The definition of based.

[Anonymous No.4333559]

>>4333315
That process sounds very uneccessary and tedious.
Does he really draw like this for all of his paintings?
Surely he knows how to draw without a reference.

[Anonymous No.4333593]

>>4333559
>That process sounds very uneccessary and tedious.
Show me an untedious process for creating work like his

[Anonymous No.4333599]

>>4333593
by picking up a brush and just painting...?

[Anonymous No.4333609]

>>4333599
pyw

[Anonymous No.4333612]

>>4333599
NGMI

[Anonymous No.4333620]

>>4333599
smdh
ngmi crab

[Anonymous No.4333622]

>>4333315
>>palaeontologist tells him to change it because it’s not accurate
paleontologists are fucking autistic about their precious dinos, no artist should ever listen to them

[Anonymous No.4333676]

>>4333315
>Thoughts on using more or less reference?
Reference is fine, artists have been using it for as long as art as existed. And, many of the masters made props and sets to do their paintings, it's nothing new.

[Anonymous No.4333688]

>>4333315
>>4333622
You guys are mixing up his Dinotopia illustration work with his paleoart for publications. The latter is considered scientific illustration and is commonly under the supervision of a paleontologist. Not much different than any other form of art direction.

[Anonymous No.4334083]

>>4333559
He doesn't, he's done the diorama thing for some of his paintings but it's not something he does for every single one of them.

[Anonymous No.4334117]

>>4333323
spot on

[Anonymous No.4334134]

You guys see people EVERY FUCKING DAY OF YOUR LIVES.
You draw one loomis face, the face being THE VERY THIS YOU SEE THE MAJORITY OF YOUR LIVES...”look mommy! I drew from imagination!”
Gurney draws things no one he or you have EVR SEEN EVER...” look at that no talent loser, he needs refs.”
You guys aren’t just crabs, you’re Efuckingternal fucking losers. Fucking losers!
Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.4334139]

>>4333315
the only reference i use is from real life, more speciffically naked women in my couch

[Anonymous No.4334212]

>>4333315
You can't tell me your process is streamlined perfectly and you never have had to edit/removes things you spent long hours on. It's the price of art and it's a necessary thing to get over, sometimes you'll have a wildly successful piece you spent minimal time on, sometimes you have a dud you spent weeks doing or you have to scrap a figure you spent days rendering. You have to learn to go with what works and is enjoyable for you, and if you do have to throw away something you spent a lot of time on but know it isn't working, then you have to do so with grace and stoically start over. So really, your process doesn't matter, only the end result, and it's not really a big deal to fix something you spent hours/days on; even if you don't have a finished product to show for the effort you did, you still learned some things and got that much better and more knowledgeable.

[Anonymous No.4334233]

>>4333315
What do you get from threads like this?

[Anonymous No.4334244]

I dunno what people are complaining about. If I could charge enough for a painting to justify making maquettes of everything, I would do it for sure. That sounds fun as hell.

It's hard to imagine that the painting could be worse off for doing it, unless you're an idiot. Gurney isn't a slave to his refs, if you've seen his process. Time/cost are the limiting factor of course.

If you think you could do better than he does without em, then just undercut him and start painting dinosaurs for Nat Geo. If you can't, then maybe you'll learn something from trying his process. Sounds like a win-win to me

[Anonymous No.4334312]

>>4333353
>very very few people can draw from imagination with no refs
I CAN

[Anonymous No.4334448]

>>4334312
Sure anon, sure.

[Anonymous No.4334457]

>>4333599
J U S T P A I N T

[Anonymous No.4334466]

>>4334457
When people say that, they mean to stop overthinking every little detail and actually practice

[Anonymous No.4334467]

>>4334312
POST
YOUR
WOOOOOORK

[Anonymous No.4334479]

>>4334312
I know that feel, takes more time but goddamn does it feel satisfying knowing you created it yourself.

[Anonymous No.4334683]

>>4333559
In his own words "Drawing or painting without any references whatsoever can lead to repetitive or mannered solutions, and to missing out on surprising nuances of lighting or foreshortening that would never have occurred to the imagination alone. Those nuances often carry the force of truth, and make the scene believable."

http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2016/11/imaginative-drawingwith-and-without.html

[Anonymous No.4334751]

>>4334312
No you can't, that why you won't post your work

[Anonymous No.4334761]

OP here, I actually love Gurney and follow him closely. Just wanted to see how people felt about his process, kek.

His scientific American work is really great.

[Anonymous No.4334890]

>>4334761

you're on a forum full of people that trace.
gurney is good.
he sculpts. that alone puts him on a higher level.

kim jung gi uses refs. everyone does.
nobody has seen everything there is to see.

[Anonymous No.4335026]

>>4334139
>naked women in my couch
>in my couch
Anon let them out. They probably can't breath well in there

[Anonymous No.4335073]

[Anonymous No.4335078]

>>4333315
>professional artist uses tried and true method for creating consistent quality work for a profession that requires consistent output of quality or you get blacklisted
Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.4335114]

>>4335078
>or you get blacklisted
where did you hear this?

[Anonymous No.4335161]

>>4333323
ew

[Anonymous No.4335172]

It's the way he likes to work and he's made a career out of it. That's all that matters.

[Anonymous No.4336154]

>>4335172
>>4335078
The results speak for themselves, his work looks pretty damn good

I can't think of a time I ever noticed any terrible flaws that stuck out in Gurney's paintings.

The guy is portraying things we can only really see in imagination, it probably hasn't hurt at all that he creates models to better understand the forms in his head.

[Anonymous No.4336160]

>>4335073
FUCKING BASED

[Anonymous No.4336184]

>>4334683