East vs West

[Anonymous No.4297588]

Can we finally end the whole "westerners can't draw anime" debate. Yes jap artists are better at drawing anime, but that's because its literally their culture, it would be like saying why can't Japanese basketball players compete with NA basketball players. It's not a fair comparison. That being said western artists can be very good like pic related.
>sources

https://www.instagram.com/thejettyjetshow/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/toni.infante/

https://www.instagram.com/kyoukaraa_art/

https://www.deviantart.com/parororo

https://www.artstation.com/timbougami

https://www.sakugabooru.com/post?tags=bahi_jd+

https://www.instagram.com/kuzomari/?hl=en

Thank you for reading, hoping this thread doesn't turn into a shitstorm :)

[Anonymous No.4297592]

imagine caring about what /ic/ thinks

[Anonymous No.4297600]

>>4297588
No matter how many examples you give of this the fact is that there will always be a common belief that japanese are the only people that can competently draw animu. The belief is obviously wrong, but that doesn't mean people will ever learn that its wrong.

[Anonymous No.4297610]

>>4297600
I think that what people mean when they make that point is that 90% of western anime art looks uncanny or "synthetic" and I mostly agree with this. however there are some really great western artists that are usually overlooked.

[Anonymous No.4297616]

SHID

[Anonymous No.4297631]

>Hi! I am Kyou *23*

[Anonymous No.4297635]

If you're a good illustrator it's more likely than not that you're doing it as a profession which means you need to make what clients wants to see which, outside of Japan, is typically not anime. It's only natural then that most of the western drawn anime you see is going to be made by hobbyists that aren't good enough on a technical level to make it look convincing.

>>4297631
Same

[Anonymous No.4297694]

>>4297631
You think that's bad,
>16 years old
Beginning to think talent isn't a meme bros.

https://www.instagram.com/somenormalartist/?hl=en

[Anonymous No.4297702]

>>4297694
Jesus
I JUST got to this level at almost 24
Time to kill myself bros

[Anonymous No.4297900]

>>4297694
>>4297702
Eat healthy, exercise, make use of modern medicine and making it to one hundred isn't unreasonable with today's tech. It becomes even more reasonable if you assume life extension medicine will continue to improve.

You can live long enough to surpass all the great masters of old who didn't live as long as you can.

[Anonymous No.4297908]

>>4297588
>Another thread died for this
It's time to stop Anon!

[Anonymous No.4297941]

STOP MAKING THESE THREADS. all of you niggers shut the fuck up. the whole debate is pointless because you can make excellent living with 1/2 the skills of any of the images in the op drawing anime and especially hentai. people putting the cart before the horse thinking they need to reach some elder god level before they can make it and none of you are even qualified to debate whether a givin western artist is good enough as a jap artist etc. you're all /beg/ scum and I KNOW IT FOR A FACT YOU SHITS DONT EVEN REPLY WITH ANY RETORT. you're all fucking /beg/ niggers shitting up then entire board and i hope hiromoot personally bans you by raping you and your entire family. crash your cars and die. JUST FUCKING STOP MAKING THESE WEST VS EAST THREADS YOU MONGS

[Anonymous No.4297947]

>>4297941
Okay talentlet

[Anonymous No.4297961]

>>4297947
i'd post my progress image over the last 2 months but you wouldn't even believe me, lol. imagine if you had just drawn for 8+ hours a day like i did instead of collecting /ic/ memes.

[Anonymous No.4297974]

>>4297588
I know a half-Japanese guy who's /beg/-tier because he's the type to make excuses, so I know it's not just culture or genetics.

>inb4 "it's because of the other half"

[Anonymous No.4297982]

>>4297961
Post it weak shit

[Anonymous No.4298056]

>>4297588
None of these look anything like anime though anon, heck they are not even close to chink or taiwanese copies of anime.

In other words,
>"Can we finally end the whole "westerners can't draw anime" debate."
there was no debate in the first place.

Westerners can't draw actual anime, then again idk why you are so obsessed with being recognized as japanese, since their artists will never recognize you as one of their own.

[Anonymous No.4298096]

>>4297961
Post it, you can get heaps done in 2 months especially with 8 hour days.

[Anonymous No.4298174]

>>4297588
>including Whyt Manga in that collage
A blemish on an otherwise decent piece.

[Anonymous No.4298176]

>>4298056
Absolutely fucking retard post. Like, this has got to be some of the dumbest shit I’ve seen on here.

[Anonymous No.4298354]

>>4298056
People like you are the reason we keep having these debates.
>>4298174
Whyt is not in in. I think you're getting him mixed up with Kuzomari

[Anonymous No.4298514]

>>4297694
but its so bad.
Look at the hand
Look at the neck
Look at the clothing folds
Some of the shadows do not follow the form at all. The art piece is just anime and kinda colorful.

[Anonymous No.4298566]

>>4298514
No shit it's not that good
>"""""""16 years old""""""
Post your work when you were 16.

[Anonymous No.4298610]

>>4298566
Who cares if he's 16? If he doesn't improve he'll stay this /beg/ forever.

[Anonymous No.4298660]

>>4298566
I was better at 16

[Anonymous No.4298681]

>>4298514
>If it’s so talentless then I’d like to see you whip up some anime to show how easy it is to go from 0 to ur so talented.

[Anonymous No.4298939]

>>4298660
Really?! Then you must be like super good now.

[Anonymous No.4299576]

>>4297588
2/3 of these look good, 1/3 of these look Jap but it probably took extra fucking work to make them look like that aka going out of their usual style, and also why the fuck are the faces so wide, were these drawn by big boned obese pasties?

[Anonymous No.4299585]

>It doesnt look like anime, bros

You weebs are gross, if OP didnt stated that thoose drawings where Made bu western dudes you would have literally nothing to say abou them, i'm pretty sure if OP posted some of that art and said "look, what do you think about the art of Satoshi Fukata" or any other made up asian name you surely would be praising it and his asian genes, weebs are a herd of fanatic brainlets who only care of the art was made by a chink or not, thats why you never grow as artist or people, you are braindead.

[Anonymous No.4299593]

>>4299585
Lmao talk about projecting

[Anonymous No.4299608]

>>4299593
>p-projecting

First of all, learn what projecting means, then prove i'm wrong

[Anonymous No.4299610]

Most of the drawings in the pic are either not good or not anime. All generic designs, the ones that aren't fanart that is.

On that note, there are non Japanese who can kinda draw, IMO, decent anime. Dmitry Grozov, David Liu, and BlueTheBone come to mind.

[Anonymous No.4299633]

>>4297588
The "Westerners can't draw anime" is one of the stupidest things on /ic/, because it's just weebs telling themselves that they're destined to fail to excuse themselves for their own lack of success. If you took a bunch of Japanese anime art and Western anime art I bet most people wouldn't even be able to tell the two apart.
Actually, let's try doing just that.
Which ones are by Japanese artists, and which ones are not?

[Anonymous No.4299637]

>>4299610
Could you explain why they are not anime? Because I don't see a fucking difference and you seem to have the reason pretty clear in your head, please explain otherwise your statement is your smoke.

[Anonymous No.4299638]

>>4297588
>>4299633
https://twitter.com/engadget/status/1215071874029215744
Reminder, also
>Are you sure these people are entirely non-Asian? 'm pretty sure Koreans have magic genes too with how well they do in Esports.

[Anonymous No.4299639]

>>4299633
>Actually, let's try doing just that.
Which ones are by Japanese artists, and which ones are not?

This kills the weeb

[Anonymous No.4299641]

>>4297588

[Anonymous No.4299642]

>>4299638
All the western artists I picked out spoke primarily in English, with no traces of speaking any Asian language on their social media, and one directly stated to be non-Asian.

[Anonymous No.4299657]

>>4299642
lol people here are gonna interpret these as Western born Asians around the 20s or a college graduate 30+ year old who's had professional work then still throw in the towel. Tumblr's left its mark in people's memory, that it breeds mediocrity backed by an obnoxious mouth while Pixiv is a silent haven where elephants are the only form of speech.

[Anonymous No.4299661]

>>4299633
I'm pretty sure the far left is non-jap. Just doesn't have that asian charm. Something about the nose. I think the next one is definitely asian. Next is non-asian. Next one feels like it could go either way but I'm gonna say non-asian. The swords ruin the composition. NO swords and I'd assume asian. Last one could also go either way but I think non-asian just based on the weird eyes.

how did I do?

[Anonymous No.4299662]

>>4299637
Bottom left and top row.

These are all semi-realistic, not much like animated TV at all. Here's an example of what I would consider anime style.

[Anonymous No.4300113]

>>4299662

>Here's an example of what I would consider anime style
>posts "chibi" toddler like proportions

This is an example of what real "anime" looks like.

[Anonymous No.4300118]

>>4300113
Silly anon, that much chub isn't something Asians find themselves becoming. There's no way it was made by one.

[Anonymous No.4300239]

>>4299637
Why would you respond to an obvious autist?

[Anonymous No.4300271]

>>4299633
asian, western, western, western, asian

[Anonymous No.4300410]

>>4300118
???????? Hes literally chinese?? (left guy)

https://youtu.be/qTsxeADkwDg

[Anonymous No.4300472]

Weebs are retarded and a waste of oxygen, this thread is the living proof

[Anonymous No.4300493]

>>4297588
Japan makes good anime drawings because its part of their culture.

Americans can't anime because its not part of their culture. They're better at doing tumblrshit and Disney furry porn since its ingrained into them.

Europe is better for abstract paintings and the Middle East is more renowned for geometric artwork.


It all boils down to what your surroundings and Geography is more renowned for.
If you have culture surrounding you, draw inspiration from it and see what you can make.

Don't forget;
Japan is inspired heavily by your cultures.
If you get rid of it, you won't have anything to truly make you different from the rest of the world, and Japan will see you and your art as nothing but homogeneous nonsense.
And the quicker you are keen to throw it away, the quicker the quality of you and artistic culture (the root of all cultural expression) will fall away.

Don't disappoint them.

[Anonymous No.4301205]

>>4300113
Which anime is that from? None.

And Sonoda draws much more than chibi style. Don't join the retards here who keep posting lineless digital fan art and passing it off as being “real“ anime.

TLDR If it's not directly from an anime, then it's probably not anime style.

[Anonymous No.4301234]

>>4297588
It's just easier to be good at anime when you're nip or chink with the billions resources they have in form of stream and books

[Anonymous No.4301239]

>>4301205
This just might be the dumbest take I've seen on /ic/

[Anonymous No.4301240]

>>4299633
all western except the right one

[Anonymous No.4301242]

>>4299661
1/5

>>4300271
4/5

>>4301240
3/5

[Anonymous No.4301263]

>>4301239
Weeb in denial right there

[Anonymous No.4301273]

>>4301263
different anon, it is an extremely retarded take

[Anonymous No.4301277]

>>4301273
Do you even know what "anime" is short for

[Anonymous No.4301278]

>>4298056
Kill yourself nigger.

[Anonymous No.4301286]

>>4301234
This is only something ngmis think

Here is a list if resources that Japanese artists have that western artists have as well

>how to draw books
>youtubers
>art classes
>art schools
>art tutorials
>art fourms
>livestream archives
>THE FUCKING INTERNET

And also to note, most of their stuff is simular or translated into japanese of what western artists have. Like pic related.

The only thing stopping you from improving is yourself, not your race or ethnicity.

[Anonymous No.4301294]

>>4299633
west west west asian asian

[Anonymous No.4301296]

>>4301234
>>4301286
1/2

[Anonymous No.4301298]

>>4301234
>>4301286
2/2
See?

[Anonymous No.4301416]

>>4301286
I didn't say that it's easier to be good at drawing
I said it's easier to be good at drawing anime
what are the west equivalent of the Youku/bili/nico anime "teachers"?
what are the west equivalent books of make character CG?

What you posted are based books that everyone uses for fundamentals, what I'm talking about is what comes later, how to style it into anime aesthetic.
Something that the west doesn't seem to fully grasp yet otherwise you can be sure that many would sell that shit, like steve ahn tries to (600$ for a garbage course)

[Anonymous No.4301431]

>>4301286
>livestream archives
these are hard to come by, people are so stingy when it comes to livestreams. any good ones?

[Anonymous No.4301466]

>>4301296
>draw the owl

[Anonymous No.4301479]

>>4300410
>chinese
Sub-human doesn't count anon

[Anonymous No.4301799]

>>4299633
Asian, asian, western, western, asian.

[Anonymous No.4301897]

>>4301431
From my playlist
https://youtu.be/NvUdD8nf-1c

https://youtu.be/CcRkMEHr6hM

https://youtu.be/58EVgYygt24

https://youtu.be/gyjxFi2cDv8

https://youtu.be/xXt9nSLYHxo

[Anonymous No.4301903]

>>4301479
Chinese aren't subhumans though.

[Anonymous No.4302185]

>>4301294
2/5

>>4301799
2/5

[Anonymous No.4302196]

>>4301294
2/5

>>4301799
3/5

[Anonymous No.4302235]

people on 4chan are so lazy or retarded. imagine using ''hurr duur muh genetics'' as an excuse for everything. it's not your genetics, jason, you're fat, oily, disgusting, and have no skills at anything whatsoever because all you do is whine and sit in front of your computer 24/7.

[Anonymous No.4302243]

>>4302235
White people in general, are entitled and expect everything to be handed to them. I am asian, and I was born and raised in Japan for most of my life, and recently moved to Canada. I have been studying as hard as I could since I started school, mostly math and drawing. White peopple say it's because I'm asian. No, it's not because I'm asian, I actually put effort and dedication into doing what I love.

[Anonymous No.4302328]

>>4301277
JAPANESE ANIMATION.

weebs are idiots. don't bother wasting your time, anon.

[Anonymous No.4302346]

>>4301277
it's not short for anything idiot its a french word stop posting

[Anonymous No.4302480]

Anime is a dumb goal to be reaching for though

[Anonymous No.4302564]

Yeah, this is like saying authentic Japanese cuisine is delicious with a bunch of Mexicans in the kitchen warming up bags of rice in giant comales. Western artists lack the discipline and patience to draw the convoluted, over exaggerated works the Japanese do, or Koreans or the Chinese. The same goes for the entire Eastern portion of the drawing world, they lack the dynamic proportions and realism only Western artists can truly achieve in their works.

Now if you both could only stay in your designated lanes, you'd eliminate 95 percent of the threads on this board alone, leaving room only for draw threads and artbook threads, which are really the only threads people need to focus on, anyways. If you're from the Orient and you're trying to draw realistic proportions, gomenasai my slanted-eyed friend, you're never going to make it. And if you're anywhere west of the Rising Sun, you can't squint hard enough to draw over-exaggerated eyeballs and fake titties.

That's just the truth.

[Anonymous No.4304091]

>>4302243
but your love for maths could be genetic, right? certain brain chemistry is apparent in different ethnicities and some (not all of them, mind you) would have a natural predisposition due to multiple generations adapting to their environment.

yes, working hard is necessary to be proficient at what you do but you could have developed a natural affinity to mathematics because of an abstract understanding that can be tied to your cultural heritage, which, in turn, can be tied to your genetic biology.

i remember some russian gave some q&a somewhere and said that certain personalities are better at different kinds of maths. maybe that comes into play?

[Anonymous No.4304930]