/art feels/

[Anonymous No.4297095]

How old were you when you realized you didn't have the spark?

[Anonymous No.4297128]

>>4297095
22 ;__;

[Anonymous No.4297138]

>>4297128
I was 23 myself.
Too late to go into college for something useful like CompSci or medicine.
Kills me to think the amount of hours i've wasted pursuing art baka.

[Anonymous No.4297140]

>>4297095
25, this year. I don’t think I’ll ever be better than mediocre tumblr-animu garbage >>4297128

[Anonymous No.4297142]

>>4297138
23 is too late?

Wow.

Where on earth did you pick up that idea? I know someone personally who became a doctor in her late 30s, started when she was 29.

[Anonymous No.4297172]

At some point in college I was told myself that I don't have what it takes. I felt something break in my heart. And from that day I struggled to continue being a artist. I dropped out of college like 7 years ago.

[Anonymous No.4297176]

>>4297142
Probably because there are 23 years olds and younger out there who are doing all sorts of incredible and flawless work, getting published, etc, being genius savants already. It feels like everyone else is already doing what I wish I could do. Why even bother, the world will be the same whether or not I bring my shitty creations into it

[Anonymous No.4297220]

>>4297142
i assume he must've had wealthy or extremely supportive parents.
In my city, minimum wage jobs (the only jobs i could even apply to) can only pay for the bare minimum essentials

[Anonymous No.4297238]

>>4297220
Same.
Can't afford living space and even if i could landlords rather rb'n'b their rooms

[Anonymous No.4297246]

started at 21, now im 23 and... ngmi

[Anonymous No.4297283]

>>4297095
I had the spark when I was a kid but I lost it.

[Anonymous No.4297306]

>>4297176
dont hate your life based on what people put on social media bro

[Anonymous No.4297369]

>>4297095
What a miserable bunch, the only person who can stop you from making it is you. You either want it bad enough to keep pushing yourself to improve or you don't and then you might as well start searching for something you're actually passionate about.

If any of you gloomy folks want to get back on track here are my tips for you:
- Improving at art isn't about mindless grinding for hours every day. It's problem solving that you have to push through and sometimes you will get stuck, when that happens take a break for a bit, switch it up with new subject matter or try out a new way of making art. You have to figure this out for yourself and see what works best but it takes effort.
- Find your inspiration, if you could steal the art skills of any artists who would they be (pick atleast 3 so you don't just become a clone), collect their art in a folder. Look at what makes their art look like it does. Your inspirations will most likey change over time, embrace it.
- Study and break down art concepts into specific skills (fundamentals), there are plently of resourses available, read the sticky, watch youtube videos and look at tutorials on pinterest are just some of the free options.
- Pick some of these fundamentals and work through exercises you find from the above resources, come up with a routine so you put a few hours of work in for a few weeks (Atleast 1 hour a day for 8 weeks works well) then practice a different set of fundamentals. Rinse and repeat.
- Remember to also apply what you've been learning weekly into creating your own art, this is where creativity comes into it. It won't always look great but use what you're learning and experiment with it. Be open to inspiration from your studies and combine them with your interests.

In summary, life won't last forever and when your time comes, either you can be proud of the effort you've put in and the progress you've made in your journey or you can be disappointed because you gave up. Up to you.

[Anonymous No.4297382]

Never to late to get degreed. In his fucking 60s my dad worked a full time job as a project manager for Boeing and went to school full time and got his associates, bachelors, masters, and stem cert. He's in his 70s now making no less than $90/hr. Mother fucker is my hero straight up.

To answer op question: last year, 27 years old. But being creative is the only thing that makes me happy in this existence so I'm just going to do what I can that makes my fire stay aflame, whatever it may be. If I have low imagination, at least I can have high technical skill. That's an asset right there.

[Anonymous No.4297389]

>>4297369
tl dr

[Anonymous No.4297390]

>>4297369
dude stop with these essays Wtf nobody cares

[Anonymous No.4297393]

>>4297369
You're right. Gonna work harder

[Anonymous No.4297396]

>>4297369
This only works If you have talent. For those who have it it is a good checklist

[Anonymous No.4297407]

>>4297389
>>4297390
Its 4 bullet points. Took me less than 30 seconds to read. I'll translate it into adhd zoomer for you brainlets:
- Work smart and hard, dont just grind mindlessly
- Find art you like
- study it
- practice fundies
- make art for fun
Either make art and be happy that you tried or fuck off and die a pathetic faggot.

[Anonymous No.4297544]

>>4297138
So fucking thankful I chose IT, art is just a side thing so me being shit at it is fine whew...If I was in your place tho ;-;

[Anonymous No.4297546]

>>4297176
They had help, I’m assuming you never did and struggle with mental health issue like the vast majority of this site?

[Anonymous No.4297594]

>>4297389
>>4297390
>>4297396
ngmi zoomers
>>4297393
gmi chad

maybe talent is just being the 1/4 who can be bothered reading 362 words

[Anonymous No.4297614]

>>4297594
you can see the difference in attitude between those four replies and you can tell who is most likely to do well from just that.

[Anonymous No.4297801]

>>4297546
well, yes, schizoaffective. but I would never tell anyone about it and I’m afraid to get medicated. I don’t know if I deserve help or to be not miserable

[Anonymous No.4297817]

>>4297614
sometimes I just like to say the opposite of what I think. ya know, shitposting.

[Anonymous No.4297839]

>>4297095
right now
19
I dont want to draw anymore

[Anonymous No.4297869]

>>4297817
then you have nothing to worry about right? you're gonna make it :) right?

[Anonymous No.4297922]

>>4297369
I dont push myself only from the fear that if i do i still wont make gains its the doubt that continues to kill me for years on end

[Anonymous No.4297928]

an anime stylization thread, two threads asking for critique that belonged in /beg/, and a thread complaining about loomis being outdated died for this.

[Anonymous No.4297945]

>>4297922
If you know that then you can change, if you know that and you continue to do nothing, it is more like a step backward actually. I'd rather keep trying and continuously failing than just doing nothing.

Start easy, pick a book or lecture series and start working through it. Set a weekly deadline for each chapter and just do something. I'd recommend peter han's dynamic sketching or hampton's analytical figure drawing, both of which are in the current video course thread.

[Anonymous No.4298253]

Why do people tend to go by the exception when trying to convince themselves that they can still do it?
i don't get it. It seems like pure cope to say that someone in their mid 20s can still reach their dreams if they work "hard enough".
The majority of people don't.

[Anonymous No.4298261]

>>4298253
the majority of people dont work hard enough. many people who think they're working hard arent working nearly as much as they think they are.

[Anonymous No.4298262]

>>4297095
I have the spark, I just have no drawing talent, in fact I have anti-talent, my brain is definitely geared more towards logical/verbal thinking and it's a struggle to do things visually. But I keep soldiering on.

[Anonymous No.4298271]

Hard to say, somewhere along the line at 24-26 (just turned 26). I'll still strive to get better, but I know I'll never be good.

[Anonymous No.4298287]

>>4298261
Countless examples of known figures working hard and not making it and of people barely caring for art and making it.
Some examples of what lack of talent does to you despite effort :
>Sycra
>Uncomfortable/Irshad Karim
>VCK
These among many others have, after grinding for years, not achieved any real skill.

[Anonymous No.4298293]

>>4298287
I think talent is VERY real but at the same time I also believe people can make it pretty far without talent, and there can be other factors to explain the failures of Sycra and VCK besides lack of talent (which I do agree they lack), for example having bad taste, not being ambitious in getting out of their comfort zones, Sycra being a literal schizo, etc.

[Anonymous No.4298296]

>>4297095
14,i never had the preconcieved notion that i'd be some legendary artist or something.I just want to be third rate at the least.

[Anonymous No.4298307]

>>4298296
I don't think anyone hese is depressed because they won't paint the next sistine chapel anon.
Most people here would be content to draw their waifus at pic related level yet they can't manage to be reach a third of the mastery required after years of dedication

[Anonymous No.4298313]

>>4298293
I really can't say you're wrong, but then you get mofos like Velazquez, who famously didn't care much about painting or art in general, produce this quality works since at least as young as 17. It's understandable that some of us become demoralized, wouldn't you agree

[Anonymous No.4298340]

>>4297095
30.

[Anonymous No.4298355]

(Warning: poor/bad english)
I think these negative feelings started since my 18, now im 21. Since i started artschool i feel too intimidated around my classmates because their level and art motivations. In my case I receive positive feedback about my homeworks but my professors said me that i need to do more personal artwork.
Im trying to follow this advice but lately, im feeling like im transforming in a photocopier since November, im very worried about that. Last year i was able to draw poses and faces from imagination now im very insecure with my skills and knowledge, i dont feel very motivated too.

[Anonymous No.4298361]

>>4298355
I assume your classmates are all no-skill "altternative" teens aren't they

[Anonymous No.4298384]

>>4298313
Meh, not really. Just like I don't get demoralized over not being born rich or not being born a math genius or whatever. I think I can get to the level I want as long as I keep working at it. So what else is there to be upset about?

[Anonymous No.4298387]

>>4298361
Well, im thirdwolder so everybody needs an alternative here. I have colleagues who are construction workers, craftsmen or teachers in other areas of education because they are like in their 25-40s and have family and stuff like that.
About my peers close to my age, I don't know if they would fall into that category (no-skill), but they have more artworks and collaborations outside the school. Many of them sells their works too.
With my insecurity, i really didnt push to me to do that. Sometimes those decisions makes me feel like im not in level, or passionate or interested about this career.

[Anonymous No.4298412]

>>4297095
ngmi, if instead of feeling bad for yourselves you started to work hard you would improve.

[Anonymous No.4298416]

>>4298412
pyw

[Anonymous No.4298503]

>>4298307
>Waifu
>Prepubescent girl
Yikes

[Anonymous No.4298636]

>>4298503
just an example bro

[Anonymous No.4298770]

>>4297095
Nothing in particular since you're most likely not a talented individual in the first place, just doodling like always for self-satisfaction and unwinding after a long day.

[Anonymous No.4298771]

>>4297176
Do it for yourself, humble victim of social media.

[Anonymous No.4298774]

>>4298770
The answer is since I started as a child, around 10. I never had any particular aspirations back then, just wanted to get that pidgeotto side view talon up right. Then move to the next stuff I want to doodle.

[Anonymous No.4298792]

>>4298503
What's with people claiming attractive characters are always sexually undeveloped?

[Anonymous No.4298810]

>>4298792
pedo projection runs deep

[Anonymous No.4298884]

>>4298307
>I don't think anyone hese is depressed because they won't paint the next sistine chapel anon.

I am

[Anonymous No.4298886]

>>4298884
start training, and you'll be able to do it.

[Anonymous No.4299099]

>>4298792
no one said that, pedo. you thought that up on your own

[Anonymous No.4299495]

>>4297801
Do me a solid would you?
Look up a game called Arma 3 on Youtube and after you get what it's about, buy it later.
It's a slow, teamwork-based military simulator with a lot of in depth mechanics and downtime between the exciting parts. A lot of chances to talk to people and a lot of things to talk about.
You sound socially isolated, I am too. I keep coming up with excuses not to try my plan.

>I don’t know if I deserve help or to be not miserable
And relax; no one wants you to be miserable.
As a point of trivia there is higher learning for adults, too
https://www.ontario.ca/page/adult-learning

[Anonymous No.4299502]

>>4297095
the spark is always there you mongloids.

best way to get it back is learning how to lucid dream, from what ive read.

[Anonymous No.4299938]

>>4297801
Please go and get help, getting therapy and being medicated could change your life. It helped me manage my mental health issues better, you deserve to be happy. Just be careful about taking the super heavy stuff like opiates or benzos.

[Anonymous No.4299948]

>>4299938
>Just be careful about taking the super heavy stuff like opiates or benzos
y

[Anonymous No.4299962]

>>4297095
12.
But I said "Fuck it, I'll learn how to draw and don't need any spark" at 23.
Wish I realized that sooner but I can't turn back time. At least I'm happy I picked it back up.

[Anonymous No.4300170]

>>4298792
Because she looked 11 years old to me.
>>4298810
Oh,shut the fuck up.she does not have the form,height or facial structure of a woman ,therefore she's prepubescent.
Yes-i know it's anime.

[Anonymous No.4300177]

>>4300170
>every character that's hot as fuck must be underage
ok pedo

[Anonymous No.4300180]

>>4300177
Ask me how I know you're European?

[Anonymous No.4300182]

>>4300180
Because i'm rational and witty?

[Anonymous No.4300190]

>>4300182
Shit tier bait Aart,that's why.So you're either western yuro or a self hating burger.

[Anonymous No.4300199]

>>4300190
>Shit tier bait Aart
what

[Anonymous No.4300200]

>>4298503
>prepubescent
>big tiddies
???

[Anonymous No.4300209]

>>4300200
this guy's a pedo i'm telling you.

[Anonymous No.4300220]

>>4300199

>>4298503
>"he he he ,you obviously have shown no interest in prepubescent girls therefore you must really like prepubescent girls.
>>4300177
You're the one saying she was hot.
Shit bait.

[Anonymous No.4300222]

>>4300220
didn't even post that gif u retard.

[Anonymous No.4300224]

>>4300222
I posted the gif of me saying it was odd he saw that as a waifu,want a screen shot?that was the point of my post cavebrain.

[Anonymous No.4300229]

>>4300224
>people see hot adult women as waifus
>this is somehow bad
What the fuck are you on about pedo scum.

[Anonymous No.4300230]

>>4300229
This is an adult?
>>4298307
This is why I wish IDs were a thing here,either you have terrible reading comprehension or you have me mistaken for another anon.

[Anonymous No.4300241]

>>4300230
How many prepubescent girls do you see with those kinds of tits and ass you retard?
One would think someone browsing 4chan would be able to differentiate regular anime from actual loli. twat

[Anonymous No.4300243]

>>4300230
>This is why I wish IDs were a thing here
You probably want upvotes and a karma system too don't you.

[Anonymous No.4300247]

>>4300241
Roiiiigghht.
I'm going to break off from this bait before I end up in another prolonged conversation.

[Anonymous No.4300254]

>>4300247
>gets smashed
>"r-right i'm gonna disengage, totally not mad"
lol

[Anonymous No.4301380]

>>4299948
Cause it's addictive and could lead to you abusing even harder drugs, the withdrawals are hell are well. I'm just saying this as a precaution, if you have an addictive personality don't take those drugs.
Also, if you feel like this site is affecting you mentally, take a break. I suffer from a multitude of mental disorders as well and I haven't achieved much in life because I didn't get treatment thinking it'd get better on its own. It didn't, I'm currently in treatment and doing really well.
Hope things get better for you man, I don't know you but remember there are other people out there struggling with the same shit you are. You didn't waste time or your life, it's not too late unless you're in a coffin. Go out there and make yourself proud cause at the end of the day that is the only person that matters.

[Anonymous No.4301392]

>>4298307
This is what I'm fucking talking about. I hate when people say, "you'll never be good at drawing because you're always learning." It's bullshit. There comes a point when you eventually stop grinding shitty, boring fundies and actually sit down and just draw. Unfortunately, I'm still a sad /beg/ since I get frustrated every 10 minutes I spend drawing :(

>>4298810
I haven't literally laughed out loud in a long time. Got me with this one.

[Anonymous No.4301396]

>>4301392
Even good artists still learn. A lot of industry pro artists still do studies, and many share them, pic related is an example. Even as you get better and better, you still won't be satisfied with your work, and if you watch pros work you can often see they make a lot of mistakes too.

[Anonymous No.4301414]

>>4301396
I see what you mean.
I just hate how I get that intense frustrating feeling everytime I draw something that looks like shit. I wish it was easier to control my emotions somehow. It makes it a lot harder to sit down and draw because I don't want to always be frustrated.
Though I don't get it now that I typed that out. How come I can still play video games despite being extremely tilted and frustrated? I sometimes am so tilted that my hands start to literally shake yet I keep on playing. But for drawing, I get this sinking feeling everytime I think about sitting down and making another shit drawing.
Am I just NGMI?

[Anonymous No.4301486]

>>4301414
drawing requires much more patience and effort than video games lol

[Anonymous No.4301492]

what the fuck is a spark? I swear every time i come to this website there's a new scheme to try and confuse/discourage beginners

[Anonymous No.4301500]

>>4301492
dw this is mostly a pity party thread

[Anonymous No.4301740]

>>4297095
The only spark is the drive to get better. If you give up because of an arbitrary age, you never had it.
Keep grinding and actually studying rather than just drawing junk food and wondering why nothing’s different.

[Anonymous No.4301744]

Can#t even think about why you guys think like that... a lot of people here love animu... but it seems like they never rly listen even to the message animu tries to give you... Naruto, Luffy, Son-Gaka, Freesa, Bulma, Curryrin, Sailor-Sun ... they alawys told us to never give up and yet you guys are listen' to the ones never met these cool imaginative people... if you guys lost your spark get it back cause only the evil alaways tried to steal our passion....say na to that and go through the pain, fight against your circumstances - Love ya peplz

[Anonymous No.4301747]

>>4297095
Fuck the spark i just need memes

[Anonymous No.4301796]

T someone who is depressed as fuck and keeps dropping drawing even though when I draw it puts me in a zen-like state where I never crave a cigarette

I know I like doing it, even if I make trash I know that I'm improving and I like that feeling

But then some IRL shit will make me depressed and put me in a self destructive mood, then I spend all day procrastinating and after a extended amount of time I lose the spark to begin again until I crave into my own brain telling me i'm retarded

Any advice to counter this, I am currently re-doing my fundamentals because anatomy has always been a bitch for me and I don't want to fall of the wagon again because it's already happened about 4 times

[Anonymous No.4302148]

>>4297369
Based and Put-in-the-work-pilled

[Anonymous No.4302198]

>>4301796
You will encounter many obstacles in life but it is up to you to move past them.

What works for me is committing to a new 'improvement project' so pick a book/video/tutorial series and work through it, give yourself realistic deadlines but stick to them so that you finish the work even if it isn't perfect - because you can always repeat it later. By doing this and rotating through fundamental studies as well as applying it to personal work, you'll improve fairly quickly.

>I am currently re-doing my fundamentals because anatomy has always been a bitch for me
It's good to go back to the fundamentals but don't let anatomy stop you. Keep trying anon, if one concept doesn't make sense keep searching which you work on it. Plently of information available, you just have to search for it or ask.

[Anonymous No.4302201]

>>4301796
read this >>4297369

[Anonymous No.4302212]

Some of you people really confuse me.

I get being frustrated and tired, worried about not progressing and all that

But these feelings are not supposed to be constant, why do you draw in the first place?
Is it even enjoyable for you?
Some of you are sitting at home drawing stick figures and worrying about if you're gonna be able to live off yourt art in the future, that's crazy
That's like me olaying football at home with friends and then breaking down because I might not make it to the nfl...

Drawing and being creative should be enjoyable, and I'm not talking about enjoying the final product.

The PROCESS itself should be enough

If you're still a teenager you can ignore most of this, and I'm gonna sound like a boomer now but.... Things will level out as you get lder

[Anonymous No.4302324]

>>4302212
>I'm gonna sound like a boomer
You don't say

[Anonymous No.4302331]

>>4302324
hes right though zoomie

[Anonymous No.4303488]

>>4297095
10, tops. Is it worth learning from scratch at 25?

[Anonymous No.4303499]

>>4303488
You have to describe "worth" for you, if you see yourself improving time after time, and want to put in the hours and sweat, starting from scratch is always the best option, cause fundamentals are always the main thing in every subject human knows. Fundamentals can be even created by someone in a new way, so starting from sratch is like saying starting to understand and gettin good at something.
And the age - art/drawing is a profession you can still work on with 70/80+ depends on the health-status.

Nobody can tell you if 25 or 15 or 40 yrs. would be the right time to start, it depends on your love for the skill, we can't predict the future.

[Anonymous No.4303534]

29 here. Doodled a lot when I was younger but never really studied properly(had no idea how). Lost interest in drawing in 2004 and never really got it back until 2018. Now I'm in my late 20s and my shit looks like stuff teenage girls on DeviantArt used to do. Not to mention I'm in bad health and pressure is on me to leave NEETdom to enter into wageslavery to help pay the bills. My life is a fucking waste.