Can you draw better than ancient egyptians anon?

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Anonymous Fri Dec 27 12:47:50 2019 No.4277529 [Reply] [Original]

Can you draw better than ancient egyptians anon?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 12:49:44 2019 No.4277532 File: 12 KB, 220x293, 220px-Nefertiti_berlin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The Egyptians could draw way better then that. This is literally a case of stylization.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 15:52:45 2019 No.4277735 File: 409 KB, 3000x2000, Cancer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 Nah

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 15:57:05 2019 No.4277740 File: 496 KB, 1300x956, egyptian-hieroglyphics-carved-on-a-granite-slab-in-the-egyptian-museum-KNRJ30.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] any egyptian draws that aren't extremely stiff and rigid?

Anonymous Fri Dec 27 16:05:35 2019 No.4277750 [DELETED]

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>>4277529
Funny story, I actually drew Ma’at forever ago for my 1st DeviantArt account. This does not reflect my current skill level, but I’m still posting it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 16:09:02 2019 No.4277754 Deleting it won't help dude I saw it already

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 16:14:27 2019 No.4277757 >>4277754 once it's post on 4chan it stays on the internet forever...

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 16:15:44 2019 No.4277758 >>4277532 Anon, that’s a bust.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 16:39:37 2019 No.4277786 File: 635 KB, 1992x1804, 88888888888.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 yo crackas betta be no hatin on muh art n sheit

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 17:16:29 2019 No.4277829 >>4277754 What was it

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 17:25:13 2019 No.4277829,1 >>4277750 kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 17:28:20 2019 No.4277841 >>4277750 ngmi

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 17:44:51 2019 No.4277870 >>4277786 haha it funy because he black

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 18:42:31 2019 No.4277938 >>4277786 >haha i hope my friends on the beige site will reply to this with 'based' >if they dont i will reply to them back with 'cringe' hehe

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 18:54:28 2019 No.4277948 >>4277938 based, but who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 19:16:32 2019 No.4277969 >>4277870 >>4277938 Imagine getting this buttblasted over nothing lmao.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 19:20:12 2019 No.4277974 >>4277938 based

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 19:29:57 2019 No.4277983 >>4277786 humor isn't really your strong suit

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 00:48:19 2019 No.4278316 File: 438 KB, 1080x888, New Canvas.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 00:49:15 2019 No.4278317 >>4277758 You need drawing skills to sculpt....

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 00:56:12 2019 No.4278326 File: 2.29 MB, 1000x1500, Chie Sasaki.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've already drawn like the ancient Egyptians.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 01:12:58 2019 No.4278340 >>4278317 thats a lie. 2 different skills requring two different skillsets

Anonymous Sat Dec 28 01:26:47 2019 No.4278353

>>4278317
>>4278340
You certainly don't need drawing skills to sculpt, but they both have uses for the other medium. Coming from drawing means you know how to simplify a 3D object into 2D planes, and coming from sculpting lets you keep the depth of the image in mind when looking at only one angle.

t. draws, used to whittle

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 01:38:57 2019 No.4278363 >>4278340 ngmi

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 02:14:49 2019 No.4278380 >>4277786 Based

Anonymous Sat Dec 28 02:20:41 2019 No.4278383

>>4277532
nefertiti bust is such an oddity to me, all the other works of thutmose they discovered aren't on the same level. not to mention if you look at the whole art history of egypt there's really nothing like this bust

it isn't until the greeks that you get that kind of detail and skill in sculpture

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 04:37:14 2019 No.4278448 >>4278316 The only based anon in this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 06:43:35 2019 No.4278537 >>4278353 That doesn't mean whoever created the bust of Nefertiti could draw well. We don't have any examples of non-stylized ancient egyptian drawings, so they probably never bothered with that.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 13:01:13 2019 No.4278989 File: 316 KB, 1922x2884, Untitled_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 13:35:38 2019 No.4279041 File: 567 KB, 1536x2048, Screenshot_20191228-193509_Painter.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 13:39:03 2019 No.4279043 File: 54 KB, 549x778, isis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 20:24:17 2019 No.4279576 >>4277529 I thought this is ma'at but the thing on her head was incorrect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 21:00:50 2019 No.4279606 >>4279576 It is supposed to be her, but it was changed in paint apparently

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 21:09:34 2019 No.4279610 >>4279606 i went through egyptian goddesses on wikipedia, and i thought this was isis since the article has an identical pic... are you sure?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 21:15:34 2019 No.4279614 >>4279610 Oh, that's just the sundisk thing on side view.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 21:20:56 2019 No.4279621 >>4279614 Oh, I thought it was a chair

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 22:33:32 2019 No.4279695 File: 72 KB, 658x600, frt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529

Anonymous Sat Dec 28 22:36:38 2019 No.4279697
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I'm a composer writing a concept album about a story set in ancient Egypt and I paid for 3 sketches on Fiverr so I could "see" my characters for the first time.

1/3
Main Character
"anti-hero"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 22:37:19 2019 No.4279699 File: 1.01 MB, 2480x3508, powerfull%20friend.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 2/3 Secondary Character "the powerful friend"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 22:37:52 2019 No.4279700 File: 700 KB, 2480x3508, beautifull%20princes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 3/3 Secondary Character "the beautiful princess"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 22:48:18 2019 No.4279714 File: 230 KB, 1200x1200, egypt gril.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 22:54:35 2019 No.4279718 >>4279700 >>4279697 Ask for a refund

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 23:10:46 2019 No.4279729 File: 128 KB, 1080x888, Yes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 23:37:26 2019 No.4279761 >>4277786 Wow nigras dass rasis cuh

Anonymous Sun Dec 29 00:13:30 2019 No.4279788
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>>4278383
You're wrong, man.
You have to keep in mind how little we actually have left of ancient egypt (and the ancient world in general) and the fact the greeks learned from the egyptians how to sculpt with such naturalism to begin with, although I will agree the greeks did take it to a whole new level.

There are a few more examples of ancient egyptian statues showing the degree of realism you see in nefertiti's bust, though. check out the bust of ankh haf (pic related), some scribe statues and senusret iii's head, for instance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 04:51:28 2019 No.4279993 >>4279718 Depends on what he paid. Those sketches aren't awful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 04:57:51 2019 No.4279999 >>4279697 >>4279699 >>4279700 I think these look pretty good, I was disappointed to learn you didn't draw them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 07:10:58 2019 No.4280112 >>4279761 Hilarious, you can always expect quality entertainment from 4chan

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 07:21:02 2019 No.4280121 >>4279788 Is this Yakoub?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 10:45:26 2019 No.4280280 File: 370 KB, 1434x803, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 I dont think I can

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 13:33:23 2019 No.4280441 File: 890 KB, 2160x1776, 1561830341491.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't know, can I? Vote on your phones! >>4277938 cringe

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 13:43:30 2019 No.4280457 >>4280441 You cannot. And for the love of god, learn hands.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 14:31:11 2019 No.4280541 File: 410 KB, 1776x2160, 1555340284630.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4280457 I have no idea what I'm doing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 14:39:31 2019 No.4280557 File: 240 KB, 1023x905, msys thing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 16:30:47 2019 No.4280699 File: 444 KB, 1080x888, egyptianlady.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 17:41:55 2019 No.4280803 File: 86 KB, 960x640, reee.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4280557 QT >>4279695 lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 17:54:22 2019 No.4280825 File: 269 KB, 1080x888, afaf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 18:04:26 2019 No.4280837 >>4278383 I remember from a lecture that the rigid and stiffness of the statues were political, the pharoah wanted them in a certain way and you're not going to say no to a pharoah.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 18:06:12 2019 No.4280844 >>4280280 love this

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 19:17:51 2019 No.4280944 >>4280803 nice

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 19:44:18 2019 No.4280964 File: 133 KB, 561x701, hmph.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 20:30:14 2019 No.4281023 >>4280441 no

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 20:53:11 2019 No.4281045 >>4280964 I think I fucked that girl once.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 21:00:23 2019 No.4281051 >>4280964 based

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 21:01:29 2019 No.4281052 File: 763 KB, 2160x1776, meme.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] An attempt was made.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 21:11:10 2019 No.4281059 File: 396 KB, 1548x1854, cz3t6jx41.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 21:22:02 2019 No.4281069 >>4280441 yes

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 21:48:49 2019 No.4281100 >>4281059 why

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 22:18:02 2019 No.4281136 >>4281059 whats this big bois name?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 22:26:14 2019 No.4281144 >>4281136 Chadmenkhamun

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 05:55:55 2019 No.4281480 File: 501 KB, 1080x888, isis egypt.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 r8

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 06:38:20 2019 No.4281511 File: 51 KB, 600x899, covert-3dscanning-operation-nefertiti-bust-likely-hoax-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277532 >Nefertiti will never be your gf >you will never softly kiss Nefertiti in her slender neck

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 07:02:05 2019 No.4281533 >>4281059 The virgin Egyptian vs the Chad Olympian

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 08:34:22 2019 No.4281597 >>4280699 This is great

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 08:49:35 2019 No.4281609 >>4281052 this is great. my only issue is that the eyes need to be set back just a bit, maybe exaggerate the eyeliner just a bit more too.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 09:09:03 2019 No.4281618
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>>4280803
Kinda hoped more anons would include the remarkably low dress and exposed nipple in their drawing.
But nice work anon, I like it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 09:12:35 2019 No.4281620 >>4281480 Dawww/10

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 09:31:09 2019 No.4281633 >>4281609 Well thank you kindly anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 09:32:55 2019 No.4281638 >>4281480 pedo/10.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 10:57:12 2019 No.4281726 File: 117 KB, 505x1000, 2019-12-29.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 maybe some of them

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 11:34:08 2019 No.4281781 File: 107 KB, 603x636, eggipt.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4281618 I'm workin' on it anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 13:30:48 2019 No.4281903 File: 340 KB, 657x1000, isis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] an attempt was made

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 13:57:56 2019 No.4281943 >>4281903 Draw more feet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 15:27:27 2019 No.4282070 File: 267 KB, 1080x888, we wuz kangs n shit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 16:07:53 2019 No.4282132 >>4282070 >when you skip everything but hand days

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 16:51:57 2019 No.4282251 File: 39 KB, 489x600, jordan-crying.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4282132 t-thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 17:32:10 2019 No.4282318 I love everyone in this thread. Really fun stuff and I’ll probably systematically jerk off to each persons take in turn. Except for the baby and the Chad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 17:50:23 2019 No.4282354 >>4281903 cute

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 18:00:50 2019 No.4282382 >>4282070 i like

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 18:07:26 2019 No.4282404 File: 94 KB, 649x952, WIN_20191231_00_03_43_Pro (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 4 min sketch, photo at night with shitty pc camera, who gives a fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 18:24:30 2019 No.4282443 more threads like this pls

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 23:15:17 2019 No.4282857 File: 584 KB, 1080x888, Isis Egyptia.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4281620 >>4281638 r8 , I'm this anon here >>4281480

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 00:01:14 2019 No.4282917 File: 211 KB, 1280x960, B8FE58AC-BF60-43FF-8B1F-D23FACDAF4F8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 01:40:11 2019 No.4283051 >>4282070 This looks nice ignore the bully

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 01:54:11 2019 No.4283068 >>4282318 >Except for the baby and the Chad. why limit yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 04:40:22 2019 No.4283165 >>4281781 Looking forward to it, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 05:13:32 2019 No.4283181 >>4281781 looks great so far. Nice style!

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 08:06:38 2019 No.4283342

>>4283051
>let's turn /ic/ into a circle jerk!
>everyone who says bad things about my work is a bully!
There are plenty of places on the internet (even on this site) where you can farm for self-esteem if you have those issues. But there aren't many that will be frank and honest, and /ic/ can be that so let it be that. That drawing does not look nice except the hands and the arms, and neither do these >>4282404 >>4282917 >>4282857 >>4281903 >>4281052 >>4278989.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 09:07:21 2019 No.4283399 >>4283342 Unironically >>4282070 doesn't even look that bad compared to the other examples you've picked out. pyw

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 09:55:26 2019 No.4283460 >>4283342 redline my drawing, i'm the one drawing the loli

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 10:25:50 2019 No.4283495 >>4283460 the problem with the loli is the dress is not short enough to see up

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 11:42:02 2019 No.4283632 >>4283342 Based. Need to make /ic/ great again

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 13:28:25 2019 No.4283791 File: 271 KB, 1080x888, egyptian.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 Bit late to the party but I do like these types of threads. I still have no idea what that thing on the top of her head is supposed to be though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 13:49:06 2019 No.4283825 >>4283791 It's a sun disk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 13:55:44 2019 No.4283838 >>4283825 I see. Probably should've looked up other references of Isis rather than just looking at a completely flat, 2D hieroglyph depiction of her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 14:12:39 2019 No.4283868 >>4283825 No it's not, it's a chair.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 14:13:44 2019 No.4283870 >>4283791 It's a throne, one of the attributes Isis was depicted with.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 14:24:14 2019 No.4283880

>>4283460
You're >>4282857 >>4281480? It's not like it needs redlining, though I can do it (but from what I saw on /ic/ redlining is never a good idea). It's that you have a lot of little issues, your lines are really sloppy, you apply your colors with that shitty flowy brush and it looks bad, and what's that green background? Overall, you don't have a confident style, and your lines don't represent form. Like, in that teenage Isis the front of the dress is drawn with just straight lines. I understand that nobody puts much effort in these, but your drawings look like what 12 year olds post on deviantart.

>>4283399
It is better than the others I picked, but it still doesn't look good.

>pyw
Already have.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 14:42:52 2019 No.4283911 File: 2.85 MB, 2048x1536, 040EFB5E-AA50-40F1-B1C0-9AA101E5F25B.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /beg/ chad coming through

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 15:04:40 2019 No.4283943 File: 162 KB, 1080x888, 1577468870296.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How about mine?

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 16:28:36 2019 No.4284096

>>4277529
Didn't the Egyptians draw like that for some bullshit religious reason? Like show all the body parts so that the parts can go to the afterlife too or something. That's so fucking stupid. This is why Christianity is the best religion. You die and then you go to heaven. Simple as that

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 16:34:37 2019 No.4284104 >>4284096 >Let's only give our pharaoh half his face for his afterlife. Not to mention OP depicts the goddess Isis, not someone who has deceased.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 16:38:36 2019 No.4284112

>>4284096
>Didn't the Egyptians draw like that for some bullshit religious reason? Like show all the body parts so that the parts can go to the afterlife too or something
No, it was just because they find it more easy, remember that they tell stories in those images, so to make larger set of images they need a method to organize everything, plus the fact that artisan slaves did the work in some cases, so the required method has to be easily reproducible and learnable for anyone dedicated to the work. They used grids methods to draw all, and they put the important people and things with bigger sizes.
Ah and they drawing they in side because they think that you need to draw all the mayor parts of the body but they also think that the face looking from the side was more important than from front, because you can tell more characteristic features of the head that way.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 16:41:55 2019 No.4284119

>>4284112
so it was a mutation from the early stages of drawing, plus simbol drawing, plus work economy.
Thats why they drew the face in from the side, but at the same time they draw the eye from front, plus they body on the side because the images flow to the direction of lecture of the images.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 16:43:38 2019 No.4284123

>>4284112
I don't know that's sounds like bullshit to me. Pretty sure they were just too dumb to draw things in 3d. They had the Jews build the pyramids cause they themselves certainly couldn't do it so it shouldnt be that much of a stretch to say they just couldn't learn how to draw.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 18:41:19 2019 No.4284272 >>4284123 >They were too dump to draw in 3d Read >>4279788 >jews build the pyramids WE WUZ ARCHITK N SHET

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 19:29:21 2019 No.4284331 >>4284123 >asks question >is given a detailed, logical answer with a summary at the end for retards >hmm acshully i think they were just dumb hehe

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 20:02:47 2019 No.4284385 [DELETED]

>>4283880
>You're >>4282857 >>4281480 ?
Correct.
>It's not like it needs redlining, though I can do it (but from what I saw on /ic/ redlining is never a good idea).
Just do it, I'm the one that requesting the criticism. How can I grow and improve if I don't see the errors in my way and it'll become a bad habit?
>It's that you have a lot of little issues,
Tell me more
>your lines are really sloppy,
I've been trying to fix that but it always ends up like that. Is it something to do with my brush settings or the lack of motivation?
>you apply your colors with that shitty flowy brush and it looks bad,
probably from using the default brush as I tried to change the setting in the past but it just resetted to default. I'm drawing on SAI and I wish I could get a better machine to draw on. I didn't get any commission this year at all so I can't upgrade my 8 years old laptop.
>and what's that green background?
It's supposed to be a contrasting background but I guess it doesn't work >Overall, you don't have a confident style, and your lines don't represent form.
I can see that. It's like in my head I have something else entirely but when I tried to translate them via my hand, something else came out from them.
>Like, in that teenage Isis the front of the dress is drawn with just straight lines.
Is it really that straight? I thought I've already made it to be not.
>I understand that nobody puts much effort in these, but your drawings look like what 12 year olds post on deviantart.
B-but that's like the 70% effort I made. Is it really that bad?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 20:14:36 2019 No.4284404 >>4283880 And I did ask my work here >>4281498 to be criticised but after a week went by, no one did despite this place always asking me to post my work.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 21:06:50 2019 No.4284469 >>4284467 i nutted

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 21:17:53 2019 No.4284474
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>>4278383
It's from the Amarna Period when Egyptian art got more organic/expressionistic. After Akhetaten's reign, the art returned to the more typical Egyptian standards because the priests hated him or some shit because he was basically Jesus and rewrote the religion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 21:46:17 2019 No.4284505 File: 2.28 MB, 2048x1800, meh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 eeh

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 21:53:44 2019 No.4284517 File: 533 KB, 784x723, ddd.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 02:05:26 2020 No.4284743 >>4277786 based

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 02:55:42 2020 No.4284787 >>4283342 If you have to strawman someone they were right.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 09:23:19 2020 No.4285157 File: 569 KB, 1955x1608, ancient isis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 09:35:37 2020 No.4285169 >>4283868 It's a nokia

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 09:46:49 2020 No.4285179 File: 448 KB, 1458x1199, egptsml.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 11:42:24 2020 No.4285299 File: 286 KB, 1080x888, Egyptian 1_1_2020.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 >Can you draw better than ancient egyptians anon? Not really.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 11:49:14 2020 No.4285311 >>4285179 This, I like.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 12:19:49 2020 No.4285344 >>4285179 My patience has been rewarded. Nice job anon. I bet this is exactly what the ancient Egyptians tried to convey.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 12:39:28 2020 No.4285361 >>4285179 What's with that spot on her nose?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 12:41:55 2020 No.4285365 >>4285179 that tight arm bangles though. imagine the accumulating blood. why you didn't colour her areola?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 12:48:24 2020 No.4285370 >>4277529 Honestly there needs to be a booru and daily gens for these type of threads, they are really interesting to see other people's takes and works on these.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 15:56:54 2020 No.4285710 File: 290 KB, 1044x904, asdfad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 16:04:13 2020 No.4285726 >>4285565 kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 17:15:59 2020 No.4285817 File: 97 KB, 1080x888, isis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fuck hands and fuck F**T

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 17:30:35 2020 No.4285845 >>4285817 god i wish i could fuck F**T

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 17:42:43 2020 No.4285871 File: 1.08 MB, 3264x2448, IMG_6785.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I am /beg/ scum

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 17:51:12 2020 No.4285886 >>4285871 Would help if it wasn't sideways mate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 19:39:40 2020 No.4286050 File: 207 KB, 1080x888, 1577468870296.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 posting wip lest i don't finish before the thread ends

Anonymous Wed Jan 1 19:51:52 2020 No.4286063
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>>4277529
>>4277532
i hate you plebians who dont understand that visual art was literally a technology that had to be improved just like hydro-engineering, sanitation, and mathematics. Perspective as we use it in art had to be developed and understood before it could be taught, you all take it for granted and assume that it's "obvious" but a child draws in two dimensions and if not taught otherwise you will continue to create art that way far into adulthood. There were no photographs or art books teaching you about horizon lines or one or two or three point perspective. Most people didnt havee time to even consider being an artist as things like surviving and working were pretty much all you focused on most of the time, if there was anyone to teach you art they would most likely be focusing mostly on the art of carving hieroglyphs as that was a skilled trade that was in demand by the wealthy, most people couldnt read. Having something like papyrus (early paper) was expensive and you couldnt just buy a bundle of 200 at ancient wal-mart and practice all day. Things like paint were very expensive and rudimentary as gathering pigment was difficult and tools like the pencil as we know it hadnt been invented either.
you 23 year old bourgeois kids with your magical electric drawing tablets and access to all of histories greatest artists at the tips of your fingers stand on the shoulders of giants and spit down on them. fucking reeeeee

pic unrelated

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 20:44:31 2020 No.4286185 >>4284467 blog?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 22:01:57 2020 No.4286332 File: 245 KB, 1462x1203, Untitled-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 01:50:07 2020 No.4286628 File: 466 KB, 3000x3000, The Goddess of the sun My Style.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 03:09:21 2020 No.4286683 >>4281511 Shut up hitler

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 03:10:06 2020 No.4286684 >>4285565 Oh yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 04:55:54 2020 No.4286760 >>4285710 Looks cute, nice work.

Anonymous Thu Jan 2 07:36:00 2020 No.4286891

>>4286332
looks pretty good. try to get the rendering on her body to match the face's level, because there's a pretty big difference in quality. hands and feet are a bit too small, just ctrl+t them. and let some reflected light into the shadows in the bottom part of her body, that would take the values to next level. the voil and wand are a nice touch i like it anon. you have a blog? some practice in value and color and you will git gud in no time

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 07:38:57 2020 No.4286893 >>4277786 based >>4277938 cringe

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 12:16:40 2020 No.4287268 >>4285886 Its still dogshit, look at the facial proportions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 12:18:21 2020 No.4287271 >>4286332 Blog?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 13:07:05 2020 No.4287339 File: 118 KB, 900x1200, 5B841CF5-20AE-4037-9CEF-54C2877E9ED1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4279788

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 15:44:33 2020 No.4287563 File: 597 KB, 639x888, monsterreborn.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 >Can you draw better than ancient egyptians anon? No

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 17:17:14 2020 No.4287726 >>4277529 What's that thing on her head?

Anonymous Thu Jan 2 18:23:28 2020 No.4287867
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>>4277529
yes
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apparently not
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>>4285817
(big) good job bros

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 18:27:28 2020 No.4287876 >>4287867 dont do this again

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 18:32:11 2020 No.4287888 >>4287876 no

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 18:35:30 2020 No.4287897 >>4283943 GMI

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 19:22:04 2020 No.4287970 File: 515 KB, 3092x2480, MySy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bruh

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 19:29:19 2020 No.4287980 File: 583 KB, 1603x2400, PATRA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4287271 >>4286891 https://www.instagram.com/andrew.berji.art/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 19:34:19 2020 No.4287989 >>4287980 why is her face yellow but not the rest of her

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 19:56:33 2020 No.4288013 >>4287989 cuz

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 20:26:13 2020 No.4288048 >>4287970 qt, very.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 22:20:13 2020 No.4288159 >>4287867 Include yourself in the "apparently not" list my boy

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 16:41:13 2020 No.4289324 File: 461 KB, 3777x3274, Meh the 2nd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4284505 Update

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 18:05:56 2020 No.4289461 >>4287867 autism

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 03:43:54 2020 No.4290098 >>4289461 No bully pls!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 12:41:04 2020 No.4290676 File: 159 KB, 589x772, gesture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 13:00:42 2020 No.4290712 >>4287867 off to the second list with you

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 13:19:09 2020 No.4290736

>>4286063
>perspective hadn't been invented yet
Simply not true. The Egyptians had a highly sophisticated understanding of mathematics, engineering and astronomy, and to think that they just didn't know how to depict basic perspective (which is easy) is an ill-informed opinion. Like the second post points out their visual language was indeed a choice and their reasons for doing so are not unknown. Drawing perspective is easy - depicting something with the amount of clarity that they did, not so much. Hell, discovery of ancient or 'primitive' art is what lead to the modernist art movement. Painters like Matisse for instance spent a lot of time researching and studying ancient art such as this and would eventually adopt more and more of it to his own visual language.

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 13:40:57 2020 No.4290778

Egyptian outlook on art was purely technical, they didn't sign their work because it was considered a job like an engineer. Not an expression of creativity; they just drew what they were asked to draw with the techniques that were discovered at that time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 14:18:17 2020 No.4290817 >>4287980 good thing you signed it so people know its yours. wouldnt want anyone to steal it and claim as their own.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 14:38:47 2020 No.4290858 >>4290736 >nuh uh they must have known Great rebuttal, ironic to call me ill informed lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 14:46:17 2020 No.4290864 >>4278326 reminds of zelda wind waker

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 15:44:26 2020 No.4290955

>>4290858
Do your own research, I don't want the burden of teaching you basic art history. But suggesting that egyptian art looks they way it does because perspective had not yet been invented is a ridiculous claim, and yes, it is incredibly narrow-minded to belive that realism is the pinnacle of art or its only utility. You assume that the use and purpose of art today is the same as the purpose and utility it served ancient civilisations thousands of years ago, and it simply isn't true.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 15:59:03 2020 No.4290979 >>4290955 but their arts emphasize on the symbol perfection (right angled, showing full body even it defies realism and logic) so that they'd have better incarnation in the after life. It's purely artistic choice with their own philosophy.

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 16:24:34 2020 No.4291012

>>4290955
>Do your own research, I don't want the burden of teaching you basic art history

You arrogant little shit where the fuck do you think i got the facts for my post faggot ive been looking into this for three days now. Baby wants to be smart on the internet, huh? I literally outlined how art was percieved and used differently in my post you illiterate nigger.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 16:36:19 2020 No.4291029 PLEASE LEARN HOW TO DRAW PROPORTIONS CORRECTLY FOR GOD'S SAKE

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 17:02:10 2020 No.4291065 >>4277786 sheeit, that's not bad.

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 17:08:40 2020 No.4291076

>>4290955
You're right in that this was a stylistic choice but i am not sure they understood actual perspective.

From all the ancient art i 've seen, the only people to come close to it before the renaissance were romans and east asians, and in both cases it wasn¡t real perspective but more similar to ortographic systems of emulating depth (like a less strict isometric system).
Of course there could be an example of someone doing it by observation, not construction, but i am yet to see it.

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 17:16:06 2020 No.4291090

>>4291012
>where the fuck do you think i got the facts
I don't know, but if you spent three whole days looking into it I'm sure you've got it all figured out.
>I literally outlined how art was percieved and used differently
No, you didn't. And you're not wrong in your post either, but you only consider the technical and practical aspects of the craft which is relevant to a certain degree, but you pay no attention to the religious, spiritual, or ritualistic elements of the culture which is the whole foundation of their "art" (it certainly wasn't for decorative purposes). The reason why Egyptian art look they way it does has everything to do with this, and nothing to do with technical limitation. Do you think that the civilisation that built the sphinxes and the pyramids would be deterred by the hardship of finding pigment as well? Besides the abundance of earth pigments they used mines to extract minerals and Egyptian Blue (which was used for thousands of years) is considered the first synthetic pigment in recorded history.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 17:34:03 2020 No.4291114 >>4291076 But this assumes a desire to depict realism and I'm not convinced that the objective or function of art in prehistory concerned realism at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 17:36:16 2020 No.4291119 >>4291090 suck my cock dude pigment is STILL hard to come by which is why paint is so expensive. i do have it all figured out so throat jam my hog

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 17:46:25 2020 No.4291133

>>4291114
No i already agreed that for the egyptians, the representation of reality wasn't a concern.
This doesn't mean that they had all the tools to represent reality if they had wanted to.

Let's not trivialize optics even if perspective concepts can be simplified for artistic' purposes. I doubt anyone in this board actually understands it fully.

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 17:52:44 2020 No.4291144

>>4291119
What pigment? Paint is cheaper than ever these days because the pigments are almost entirely synthesised. If you want real pigments you'll find that some are dirt-cheap while others are crazy expensive. It depends entirely on the pigment. I don't know why you're being so dismissive about anything I'm saying - it's not that unreasonable and I know a fair bit about these things.

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 18:15:37 2020 No.4291174

>>4291133
I agree entirely, but in the case of prehistory and antiquity this remains speculation and in the end, is it all the relevant?

About optics; to the best of my knowledge, a realistic depiction of depth doesn't occur until Van Eyck, who we indeed are fairly certain made use of more sophisticated tools such as mirrors and projection.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 18:33:34 2020 No.4291204 >>4291174 I realize i might have come across as argumentative. I was mostly wandering if there was indeed an example that preceded the renaissance.

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 18:48:44 2020 No.4291224
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>>4291204
Pic related (Van Eyck's Arnolfini Portrait) is a good example. David Hockney uses it in his theory about how the old masters might've used mirrors and projection as tools a lot earlier that what was previously thought. There are videos of it on youtube if you're interested.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 19:24:13 2020 No.4291294 File: 288 KB, 711x775, muhstyle.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 shit's fun but I'd have to restart that face

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 21:17:59 2020 No.4291561 File: 312 KB, 740x684, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4291294 >I AM >FAKHIN >FYOOMIN

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 21:52:05 2020 No.4291612 >>4291224 Watch "Tim's Vermeer": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim%27s_Vermeer

>>	noko Sun Jan 5 10:14:45 2020 No.4292395 File: 225 KB, 1181x1926, 292020920293.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thats the best i can do for now ...

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 10:46:43 2020 No.4292416

>>4290736
What a fucking idiot. Unless you provide an example of an ancient Egyptian drawing with perspective, or a description of the rules of perspective from the ancient Egypt, you cannot claim that they understood perspective.

>Simply not true.
Yes it fucking is true, unless you can prove that it isn't.

>The Egyptians had a highly sophisticated understanding of mathematics, engineering and astronomy
Babylonians had more sophisticated understanding of all of those, and, Romans went even further. And yet, neither of them developed the rules of perspective.

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 11:57:50 2020 No.4292535

>>4292416
>"There is Egyptian perspective, it’s just read differently," he says. "We have been conditioned to understand the vanishing point that the Greeks invented as being natural. But it’s no more real than anything else; it’s just that we know how to read it."

That being said I guess I could've been more clear in my response. I was merely pointing out that perspective as we know it wasn't meaningful to their iconography and therefore not utilised, not that it wasn't utilised because they didn't know how. Do you see the difference?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 16:07:48 2020 No.4292981 >>4292416 >>4292535 How about you faggots go draw instead of pointless arguing over stupid shit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 21:47:40 2020 No.4293493 File: 158 KB, 711x775, fff.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4291294 I fixed the face of your draw anon

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 23:19:32 2020 No.4293637 File: 283 KB, 1236x1120, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 Tried to do it quick but still ended up running long. Not sure why my process is so slow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 00:56:30 2020 No.4293732 File: 353 KB, 1080x888, beg-vs-old-kingdom-masters.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529 >>4281618 I tried!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 01:04:47 2020 No.4293740 >>4292416 >language composed entirely of pictures >Not thinking there was a set formula in order convey meaning through pictures that demanded following a rigorous grammar-like structure m y g u y ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 01:06:39 2020 No.4293741 File: 74 KB, 468x442, 79 Adumbasss.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4292416

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 01:07:24 2020 No.4293742 File: 1.12 MB, 751x1033, Ancient Roman Art.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4292416 The Romans knew perspective

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 02:27:25 2020 No.4293807 File: 2.40 MB, 904x1308, GreenHead01-AltesMuseum-Berlin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383 not true at all

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 02:29:35 2020 No.4293809 File: 240 KB, 1080x1616, image43-e1434398582937.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 02:33:56 2020 No.4293815 >>4292416 the burden of proof is on you FAGGOT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 02:36:21 2020 No.4293820 File: 64 KB, 567x594, Img_6703.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 02:43:08 2020 No.4293825 File: 81 KB, 712x900, statue-of-menkaure-2490-2472-bc-everett.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 02:49:16 2020 No.4293828 File: 61 KB, 1000x500, King-Menkaure-Trips-in-Egypt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 02:56:14 2020 No.4293833 >>4291174 >such as mirrors and projection. I really doubt that. especially if you mean something along the lines of Hockney or "Tim's Vermeer", which is total bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 02:57:29 2020 No.4293837 File: 193 KB, 852x1280, Copenh3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 02:58:26 2020 No.4293840 >>4293833 nvm, you do lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 03:03:21 2020 No.4293848 File: 213 KB, 852x1280, Copenh4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 03:09:59 2020 No.4293855 File: 67 KB, 395x600, tumblr_pwk5oq63vB1wna6v8o1_r1_400.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 03:17:33 2020 No.4293862 File: 109 KB, 640x741, 531f8604111040dd46a440e179b1663e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 03:23:44 2020 No.4293866 File: 120 KB, 822x848, Wien37.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 03:26:15 2020 No.4293869 >>4277529 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUdEjTReLl0

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 03:34:45 2020 No.4293877 File: 155 KB, 768x1024, 28262008177_c5dba63b1c_b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 03:42:05 2020 No.4293884 File: 86 KB, 564x749, 1b7821d6d7ba28ed7754a4296420e91b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 03:47:08 2020 No.4293890 File: 21 KB, 348x480, ee5237a4531fe4ef6315f48b72d01538.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 03:51:24 2020 No.4293897 >>4277786 WE

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 03:54:00 2020 No.4293901 File: 114 KB, 1024x683, 37127756144_bb976b02c2_b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 04:00:07 2020 No.4293911 File: 90 KB, 768x1024, 38926331852_e3228ce91b_b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 04:02:09 2020 No.4293913 >>4278316 why she got an ET head?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 04:08:02 2020 No.4293916 File: 87 KB, 922x1200, main-image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 04:13:23 2020 No.4293924 File: 81 KB, 976x1200, main-image2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 04:21:08 2020 No.4293934 File: 143 KB, 800x1200, main-image3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 04:26:35 2020 No.4293942 File: 113 KB, 778x1200, main-image5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 04:31:49 2020 No.4293947 >>4293942 Ok, we get the idea

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 04:32:10 2020 No.4293949 File: 80 KB, 960x1200, main-image55.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 04:38:45 2020 No.4293957 File: 55 KB, 429x640, d7889c8e6bb05762bdf37894123b90ca.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383 >>4293947 ok, i'm done

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 04:50:06 2020 No.4293966 File: 131 KB, 806x1200, main-image6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4278383

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 05:06:44 2020 No.4293979 >>4293957 I was partially joking, some good stuff

Anonymous Mon Jan 6 06:58:15 2020 No.4294040

>>4293740
Who are you quoting? Because the words you're quoting aren't anywhere in my post.

>>4292535
Then maybe you shouldn't say that they knew how to use perspective, eh?

>>4293815
No it's not you idiot. If I say that ancient Egyptians knew how to build a combustion engine, is it you who should prove they didn't? Fucking retard.

>>4293741
>>4293742
No they didn't, and you posted good examples that prove it. They understood some basic ideas, like that there are convergence points, but as you can clearly see in your pictures, they didn't use them correctly.

Anonymous Mon Jan 6 12:20:25 2020 No.4294418

>>4293979
Just wanted to show that the pol fags in here are clueless and don't know what they're talking about. Don't even get me started on the ancient Romans, if these kids saw their frescoes and saw what the Romans actually looked like they'd shit themselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 13:16:59 2020 No.4294530 >>4294418 What, that romans were manlets with big noses?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 13:40:09 2020 No.4294576 File: 380 KB, 2000x1644, muhgypt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 13:43:23 2020 No.4294583 >>4279043 fuck, that's great. Blog?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 14:16:46 2020 No.4294646 >>4294530 no, pol thinks that the southern part of Europe and the Greeks got brown after invasions and race mixing but the frescoes show the ancient Romans and Greeks were already brown.

Anonymous Mon Jan 6 14:21:38 2020 No.4294660

>>4294646
That was a stylistic choice. Men are portrayed as darker than women despite being the same race. It has to do with sun exposure, the same way the chinese value light skin as royalty didnt get overexposed to sunlight and maintained a fair complexion.

Anonymous Mon Jan 6 14:32:27 2020 No.4294691
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>>4294660
no it wasn't, there are white people in their paintings and it has nothing to do with gender. unless you can back up your claim with a source, which you won't because you're just making shit up, you should stop rewriting history to suite your worldview.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 14:34:56 2020 No.4294695 File: 270 KB, 1080x888, isis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] update; hopefully similar threads to this pop up in the future, it's good practise

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 14:36:40 2020 No.4294701 >>4294691 The pharaos, besides the last generations, were basically all white. According to genetics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 14:42:48 2020 No.4294713 >>4294701 More claims, no evidence, thanks for playing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 14:51:59 2020 No.4294735 >>4293493 Thanks mate, reminds me of that evil chick in the Mummy Returns.

Anonymous Mon Jan 6 18:21:06 2020 No.4295109
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>>4294691
Here's a mosaic of Alexander the Great, done in his time and in the city of Pella, depicting him and presumably his general as blonds.

There are other artefacts (and accounts) depicting the ancient Greeks, their close neighbours and their gods as blonds, redheads and with light eyes. If you do some digging you'll see this is true. If you're serious I can even post more pictures which are rather blatant in relation to this topic, which you can check for yourself and make your own mind up on.

I think most, if not all, of the figurines found in Boeotia (Tanagra figurines) and its roundabouts are depicted as redheads, or if you want to be more specific, auburn haired - in stark contrast to modern Greece.

Their neighbours, the Thracians (and basically all nations north of ancient Greece) were said to all be redheaded or blond with blue or grey eyes.

Also, even though you didn't raise this point directly, I feel it's important to note that even though it's evident that blondism or a light-complexion in general wasn't uncommon in the northern part of the Mediterranean in ancient times, any allusions to a "Nordic" race in ancient Greece would be foolish and completely backwards.
It needs to be understood that the ancestors of the modern Scandinavians, who are the most known for blondism today, came out of, and evolved in, mainland Europe. Or to put it differently, there's no evolutionary connection between blondism and northern climates, and in fact it evolved in the most temperate parts of Europe. The ancestors, or one significant ancestral group of the ancient Greeks (and modern of course), were the same blond people. All European people share a connection to this group and stem from it, and it's also why it's not an odd or even uncommon assumption for people to make depending on where you live, that the most, and dare I say it, purest Europeans are blonde and blue-eyed, even though that may not exactly be the case.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 18:38:16 2020 No.4295142 File: 164 KB, 602x834, isis.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pray

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:30:51 2020 No.4295432 >>4295109 >hello i am pol. even thousands of year ago, race mattered. the end. yawn.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 01:51:36 2020 No.4295662 >>4295432 nice way to dismiss all I said, I don't even browse pol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 01:52:18 2020 No.4295664 >>4295109 ancient greeks had dark hair predominantly the reason you see depictions of blonde/auburn haired people in art so much is because there were so few of them, it was somewhat of a fascination of many ancient peoples.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 02:03:03 2020 No.4295677 >>4295664 I don't know if thats an adequate explanation, especially when you think of the fact gods were often portrayed and described with light hair.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 02:12:58 2020 No.4295685

>>4295677
well you'll never get a 100% answer for why they depicted certain features in art so much, it's not just hair.

look at something like ancient egypt, for ~2000years(if you ignore amarna period) they depicted their pharaohs and gods in the same manner, and it's always stylized.

as for blonde hair, you only need to look at modern greeks and geneaology, there was never any widespread blonde peoples in ancient greece,

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 02:21:15 2020 No.4295698
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>>4295109
Yeah, I'm aware that white people existed in Ancient Greece, I never said otherwise. I'm simply saying that brown people were also there and are depicted frequently in their paintings. It's obnoxiously stated all over 4chan that Italians and Greeks only became darker after invasions and race mixing, we'll after the dawning of thir notorious Empires which simply isn't true. If you're suggesting that the ancient Greeks were mostly blue eyed, blondes then that's a laugh. There are blondes and red heads in some of their art works but it's far from common. I'm on mobile right now so I'm not going to do another big image dump like I did with the Egyptian sculptures. None of this btw should be taken as suggesting that I'm somehow liberal on immigration or that I'm advocating for race mixing or diversity because I'm actually pretty conservative of those issues. It just bothers me when people spread lies like the shit pol manufacturers, if you want to know the truth about the world you should look at it as objectively as you can.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 03:05:06 2020 No.4295735

>>4295685
things were stylised sure, but I don't think it's fair to say they were stylised to the point of being portrayed as people of other nations.
populations change over time, I don't think it's an outrageous idea to suggest that the greeks became darker over the course of the last 2000+ years.

>>4295698
I don't know, from what I have seen the most common pigmentation of statues and mosaics in ancient greece was auburn haired and brown or hazel eyed, rather than black or dark brown, I'm open to being proved wrong, though. Think of the tanagra figurines I mentioned and all the korai statues, among other things.

At the same time I don't deny the existence of people of darker complexions in ancient Greece, but I don't know in what proportion and in what time periods, it's not unthinkable to me that the majority of the population in ancient greece, in prehistoric times, was entirely blonde and blue eyed, in the classical period certainly they were not though.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 03:50:57 2020 No.4295776
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>>4295735
Unfortunately the statue pigmentation doesn't hold up to the sands of time, as the paint on virtually all of them have withered and fallen which leaves a mostly barren original figurine. It's hard to know what they looked like originally and like you said, in what proportion to the general population. You can wide a variety of them, some looking like red heads and others looking like pic related. Almost none of them are blondes though.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 05:04:02 2020 No.4295817

>>4295735
>I don't think it's an outrageous idea to suggest that the greeks became darker over the course of the last 2000+ years.

I'm sure they have, but in terms of genetics--modern day greeks are very closely related to ancient greeks. it depends a bit on the area of course, but I think we both know that the majority of greeks aren't blonde.

>https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310

>Modern Greeks resemble the Mycenaeans, but with some additional dilution of the Early Neolithic ancestry.

Since "dilution" comes from before 2000years ago, it's hard to see how fair skin / blonde hair would vanish so quickly.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 05:51:18 2020 No.4295852

>>4295776
Yeah, in southern classical greece the percentage of blonde hair seems rather low, the only notable example that comes to mind is the aptly named "blonde boy" statue, although there are some statues of gods that also have remains of yellow pigment. From what I know almost all other statues that have red pigment traces on their heads.
If you look in macedonia the percentage of depictions with blond hair does seem to increase though, in addition to red hair.

>>4295817
Of course, I don't deny they are related, genetically they are probably the closest to ancient greeks, there's no argument here, but it doesn't necessarily mean they looked as they do now or that no events of intermixing or even extinction occured.

A good example that comes to mind in relation to this, is the fact that ancient Greeks always described and portrayed all Thracians as red heads with blue eyes, but when you look at modern day Bulgaria and northern Greece that is not really the case.

Similar examples to this can be found with Scythians, Tocharians and Gauls.

We don't need to look far to see how huge demographic or physical changes can occur in a very short amount of time, in 50 years or so the majority of Sweden's population probably won't look the same, so 2000 years are more than enough time for a slow gradual change.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 06:57:58 2020 No.4295910

>A good example that comes to mind in relation to this, is the fact that ancient Greeks always described and portrayed all Thracians as red heads with blue eyes

Like I said before, I'd rather trust genetic analysis rather than writings from people centuries ago. It's true that appearance is guided by relatively few genes, but general trends will follow the collective gene pool.

Your example doesn't work well since there's no modern peoples that could be considered of strict thracian origin(contrary to the greeks and italians for example), especially in Bulgaria where you had lots of slavic influencec.

>in 50 years or so the majority of Sweden's population probably won't look the same

This I have to hear, why?

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 08:02:39 2020 No.4295969

>>4295910
Fair enough, I'd say to look at both the genetic data and writings from the past, as well as statues and other artefacts, since it's a little bit hard to believe that they consistently made up or were mistaken about the appearance of people living just north of them.
The main point of my example is that there seems to be a trend of "darkening" from ancient times until today in Europe, specifically in the areas bordering other, darker, nations.

In regards to Sweden: because the native Swedes' birthrates are very low, because they're importing enormous numbers of people from the middle east and elsewhere, and because the same people also have higher birthrates than the natives. I think you can figure out yourself what this will lead to genetically.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 12:29:38 2020 No.4296346
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>>4295735
Who knows why they painted the hair red. It could be that they had a high rate of gingers back in ancient Greece but I find it highly unlikely for a few reasons. One is that according to the Met the hair was painted red but the eyebrows and eyes were painted black. If they were naturally red headed why would they paint the eyebrows a different colour? And how come blondes and redheads are rarely if ever depicted in their frescoes or pottery? They have darker features in these works which are much better preserved than the figurines which are virtually all faded. It is known that in Roman times it was made a law that all prostitutes were to have blonde hair or to dye their hair blonde so it's not out of the question that specific hair colour had some type of significance to them. Even if we look at the Alexander work you posted earlier, I'm sure you're aware of the other Alexander work in which he's depicted as a much more swarthy looking man, a work which is said to be a copy of a piece made during his time. Overall though going through the bulk of their works across mediums I generally find it hard to believe blue eyed blondes and gingers made up the majority of the population in either the Greek or Romans empires.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 13:02:44 2020 No.4296409 >>4277786 Based but not appreciated enough because /ic/ is full of bitter faggots

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 13:07:10 2020 No.4296419 >>4278316 anime was a mistake

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 13:09:52 2020 No.4296425 >>4285565 this is it chief

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 14:17:44 2020 No.4296550 >>4295142 hot and underrated

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 16:16:00 2020 No.4296830
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>>4296346
The sheer number of statues and depictions in general with red/auburn hair is what's important in this case, and the relatively small number of ones with darker hair, but what you say in regards to the eyebrows is interesting, I'd have to look into that.
In regards to frescos and pottery. Most surviving frescos come from Roman times I believe, and usually depict their subjects with again auburn or light hair, mosaics also follow this trend. The fact that the pigments on the sculptures are faded doesn't change the fact that they are indeed depicted as redheaded in probably all of them with surviving pigments. in regards to the pottery, that's a clear stylistic choice, their hair if auburn, would still be darker than their skin. There is other pottery depicting figures with entirely black skin against a light background (clear stylistic design), but I think we can both agree that the ancient Greeks and their neighbours were never so dark.
About the prostitutes dying their hair blonde, are you sure that was made a law and if it was, for what reason and in what period? If I remember correctly Commodus used to dye his hair as blond too (with gold), but probably not under the guise of a prostitute I would imagine.
The mosaic of Alexander I posted is from Alexander's time and its also from Macedonia's ancient capital and the city he was born in. The swarthy mosaic you're mentioning was done 300 years or so after. We even have Plutarchs's account of an artist making Alexander appear too swarthy in his statue.

Well, just for the record, what I'm claiming is that the majority of the ancient greek population, during and around the Classical period, used to be auburn haired (not ginger or blond) and brown or hazel eyed.
Their appearance, colour-wise, would be similar to those of the redheads found in Afghanistan (who are themselves said to be descedants of the remnants of Alexander's army).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 16:22:53 2020 No.4296844 File: 943 KB, 1024x989, Maenad_and_Cupid_MAN_Napoli_Inv110591.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4296830 Another curious thing is that eros or cupid is alwayd depicted as light-haired.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 16:38:56 2020 No.4296883 File: 829 KB, 1000x683, 832-129754.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just a few examples out of many more, and I really do mean many more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 17:12:01 2020 No.4296977 >>4285179 What are some of your other works?

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 17:25:45 2020 No.4296995
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>>4296830
Not all of them are redheaded figurines, I can find just as many that aren't, and the reason why it's significant that the paint has faded is because the more faded the paint is the more Caucasian and stereotypically white the people look which is why you're choosing to focus on it. I'm not seeing a majority of blondes and redheads, just a variety of light or dark hair. They all seem to have a faded brown colour of paint on their skin, despite the fact that redheads are notorious for their inability to tan.

I know the swarthy Alexander was made hundreds of years after but it is said to be a copy of a version that was made during Alexander's time. Who knows what he looked like, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he was a very pale looking white guy with blond hair, but the swarthy depiction of him indicates that the general darker look must not have been so uncommon in that era and that region if artists were referring to it in their work. Why else would they do it?

The law that prostitutes in Rome was made during the early period. They either needed wigs or they dyed their hair, you can Google it, I'm on mobile and don't feel like going through the hassle of linking this stuff. Why would they need to highlight prostitutes as blondes if blondes were so common among the empires? Doesn't make sense.

As for the pottery there are figures on some of the pottery with different shades of hair colour, I've seen a few that look even blonde or light brown but most look dark black and some curly. Not sure why it would be a stylistic choice here but not for the figurines?

There are a lot of frescoes from Italy but there are still dome from Greece. Here's a fresco of a Macedonian soldier. If you go through their works in frescoes and mosaics and ceramics you'll generally find a variety of different people. Of course, hair colour isn't the best test of race, Google Melanesians. Theyre aboriginals with African features and blonde hair.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 17:36:30 2020 No.4297011 >>4296844 >>4296878 >>4296882 >>4296883 ? these all look like Greeks? I mean you still see all of these kinds of people in Greece so I'm not sure what you're trying to say?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 17:44:54 2020 No.4297026 >>4277870 This...

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 18:08:23 2020 No.4297096
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>>4296995
I'd love to keep discussing this but I'll have to cut this short since I have other things I want to focus on, we're not going to agree either way.

redhair doesn't necessarily mean extremely light skin, pic related for example.

I didn't choose the figurines because they look more white if that's what you imply, but because they're some of the best evidence there is for how the greeks depicted their statues colour-wise, and logically themselves.

the swarthy Alexander mosaic is problematic because it's a copy and not the original. I didn't deny the existence of ancient Greeks with darker complexions either.

check out the pigmentation on the Alexander Sarcophagus if you haven't already, the figures there are also all red headed.

I'll check the prostitute thing in my spare time, but it could be that it was distinguishable from natural blonde hair (think of the garish yellow hair dye some women have these days).

I'm aware that some of the pottery has blonde or red hair, but due to the fact pottery is so stylistic for the most part (only two or three colours), it's not as useful in this discussion as the frescos, mosaics and painted statues are.

The fresco you show comes from a tomb with figures drawn with light hair; on the top there are many figures drawn in, and if you find a good resolution picture you'll see they're all light-haired, be it red or blonde.

I'm aware of the melanesians, but that's quite a different topic.

if you want more evidence, another thing that popped in my mind that supports what I'm saying is Cleopatra, if I'm not mistaken she was both described and depicted as redheaded, and surprise surprise she comes from Greek heritage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 18:10:57 2020 No.4297104 >>4297011 that they were in the majority in ancient times, most Greeks today are darker

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 18:59:11 2020 No.4297202
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>>4297104
which isn't at all possible to know just by looking at the work, I'm simply saying that the darker people were already there during both the Roman and Greek empires, who or what was the majority was never what I was trying to prove through the art. It simply isn't possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:00:08 2020 No.4297204 File: 128 KB, 560x768, Ancient_Mieza,_Macedonian_tombs_of_Lefkadia,_The_Tomb_of_Jugdement_926eb424be6db3e06917e5c03ffdfaaa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4297104

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:01:54 2020 No.4297206 File: 1.00 MB, 1455x1089, Gods-and-Mortals-Mosaic-Epiphany-of-Dionysus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4297104 there's even brown people in the examples you yourself posted

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Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:22:59 2020 No.4297260

Do you faggots not understand that there is thousands of years difference between the early pyramids and the Greeks arriving? Greeks painted people white like them, Egyptians thousands of years before painted people black like them. They became a mixed race over time, like how the USA is and people aren’t all pure native Americans like 4000 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:49:16 2020 No.4297310 >>4297260 Yep. The civ that built the parthenon was almost exactly in the middle of us and the people who built the pyramids. Pyramids 2500bc - Parthenon 400bc - us 2020ad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:52:52 2020 No.4297318 >>4297260 egypt has never been black

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:55:14 2020 No.4297323

>>4278383
Only because it's the only one we've found. Most of their civilization is lost, or buried. Also, art served a completely different function in their society, some was just ornamental, but a lot of it - that we know about - is religious and ceremonial in nature. We think.
Atzec artists could do realistic work. But the work they liked, and used, also had a different purpose, and a lot of their art is symbolic for reasons other than "looks real". Realism is an aesthetic that rose to importance in Europe, but it doesn't mean other societies couldn't do it. Cave paintings can be remarkably accurate - but again - we don't know why they painted them, what purpose they served, or the aesthetic behind them.
Never discount purposeful choice over lack of skill.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:56:17 2020 No.4297325 >>4284123 >Pretty sure they were just too dumb to draw things in 3d. >being this naive Whew, lad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:58:02 2020 No.4297330 >>4290736 It's like the people who think Europeans didn't know what perspective was, in early art - but they did. They just didn't put much importance on it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:59:38 2020 No.4297331 >>4291224 There's a whole movie about it, called Tim's Vermeer, where he built and used a camera lucida to recreate a Vermeer. It's a compelling argument. Could be true - and in vermeer's case, not all artists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 8 04:23:36 2020 No.4298063 >>4285179 Link to your website anon?

Anonymous Wed Jan 8 04:42:28 2020 No.4298081

>>4297318
ye it was, ancient egypt was under nubian occupation for something like 200 years. they got blacked

why is nobody posting fayum mummy portraits? some time-scarred frescors don't mean shit, fayum portraits are the only thing you could base off how people looked and you see a wide variety of skin tones there. there's a lot of romans/egyptians mixed in as well, but the majority of fayum paintings were done by greeks. not many redheads or blondes(zero)

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 8 20:36:00 2020 No.4299280 >>4285179 Got any more?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 9 01:22:28 2020 No.4299615 >>4296844 Cause he's a kid, kids often have light hair even if it darkens later on.

Anonymous Thu Jan 9 06:51:37 2020 No.4299884
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>>4286063
I get that you're angry, but that doesn't make you right, and you're just planting your flag on a hill nobody else is claiming, for a stance nobody is claiming either. You've chosen an extreme that simply isn't true.

It's true that the modern methods of perspective weren't codified until European, Middle Eastern, and Asian artists started working it out, but Egyptians most certainly know what the concept of perspective was, because they could and did produce 3 dimensional paintings and engravings, at times. (And their artists were the result of a extremely wealthy society that had poor, middle class, and wealthy classes for thousands of years. One of the defining aspects of a wealthy civilization is being able to spend wealth on culture, like architecture, art, and other luxuries)

You're not entirely wrong, but the stuff you're wrong about, you're REALLY wrong about.

See pic attached. It's a famous Egyptian painting, where the artist was trying to depict 3D space. It's not "perspective" as we know it, but it's a form of it. They understood the concept - they just didn't seem to place much emphasis on it. And we don't know why, because very little written material describing their culture and aesthetics survive. Europeans were doing similar experiments in 3D space before modern perspective was starting to be worked out. We THINK it's because the surviving art we know of is mostly murals and carvings, which almost always was a form of identification, like "This is a temple for this person", or to tell stories, like victories in war, and the form and function of the art is almost cartoon panels. It was rarely ornamental, it was more function. But their decorative art was 3 dimensional, which also shows an appreciation and understanding of capturing form in 3 dimensions, they just used a flatter approach in their murals. (and still depicted 3-d space in simple ways, like having overlapping figures)
Try education, instead of anger. You might enjoy art more.

Anonymous Thu Jan 9 06:58:23 2020 No.4299897

>>4298081
The Nubians ruled Egypt in the very last eras of the Egyptian kingdoms, thousands of years after the great works like the Pyramids were built. The Pyramids and temples were great wonders to the Nubians, like they are for us. The Nubians were total Egyptian fanboys, they patterned their new empire after the old world, and even built small 2 and 3 story pyramids during their reign.
This is not obscure history to learn.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 9 07:29:17 2020 No.4299928 >>4285179 ???

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 9 09:13:52 2020 No.4300022 >>4295142 based

Anonymous Thu Jan 9 09:27:28 2020 No.4300031

>>4299897
what's your point? most people don't realize nubians ruled egypt for some time. ye they were huge fanboys, but also rivals. the cultural exchange wasn't onesided either. they were trading partners for much of their history, but most importantly nubians influenced the structure of egyptian military

as for pyramids being a big woo woo, I don't really see the obsession. there's no advanced knowledge, it's pure logistics and manpower. I consider the quarrying and transportation of obelisks by the 18th dynasty a much more amazing feat than the construction of the giza pyramids.

Anonymous Thu Jan 9 09:33:13 2020 No.4300036

>>4299884
>but Egyptians most certainly know what the concept of perspective was, because they could and did produce 3 dimensional paintings and engravings, at times.
Could you please provide an example?

>See pic attached
Oh. That's... that's what you're talking about? Sorry, but it's not even a little bit more 3-dimensional than the classical Egyptian style.

>They understood the concept
In what way? What do you mean by this exactly? Can you provide a text where they explain their concept of perspective? Because if anything your pic proves that they did not understand perspective. Look at Roman wall paintings, they are much closer to what we call perspective, and yet we can't say Romans understood perspective. They probably relied on simple rules of thumb that masters taught their pupils, but they didn't try to understand why any of that works.

Anonymous Thu Jan 9 10:01:05 2020 No.4300055

>>4300031
>I don't really see the obsession. there's no advanced knowledge, it's pure logistics and manpower.
It's logistics and organization, on a scale that is hard to imagine even today. They had to plan the construction, plan the whole layout, calculate that there will be enough time to build it, then they built a small scale model (it was still as big as a building), then they had to organize the construction: provide living facilities and food for all builders, foremen and everyone involved, organize the quarrying, cutting and transportation of huge blocks of stone of complex shapes, all shaped for their exact place in the pyramid, with only copper tools, and no wheels or pulleys, and then place them three blocks each minute for 10 hours each day over a four-month season of work, for 10 years, with 14000 people working on the project, most of them in support roles, like tools manufacturing and such. Then they also built the Sphinx just cause why not.

Anonymous Thu Jan 9 10:27:05 2020 No.4300081

>>4300055
>cutting and transportation of huge blocks of stone of complex shapes

Majority of the heaviest stone blocks weigh 2-3 tons, up to like 5? Either way, not heavy considering the manpower.

>and no wheels or pulleys

Just because there's no archaeological evidence it doesn't mean it didn't exist, wooden wheels are something that's a very rare found. The oldest one we've found is something like ~5200 years old, but we know most civilizations depicted them in art much earlier.

If you're referring to the widespread use of chariots etc. that's not a big factor either.

>with 14000 people working on the project

I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but no matter where it's all guesswork. Egypt was in a unique position where they could invest into specialized workers, but could also call upon farmers to help. That gives you access to crazy amount of people.

If you want to talk about complex, the obelisks hatshepsut transported are a much more interesting feat. They were single-block quarried and weigh from 800 to 1000 tons, since they had to be transported over the nile it makes it even that more impressive. pyramids are nothing compared to this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 9 12:24:12 2020 No.4300252 >>4277786 omg pol u are such a riot xD I'll defo be showing this to my friends at reddit. Upvoted.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 9 12:31:54 2020 No.4300262 >>4297104 retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 9 18:53:16 2020 No.4300849 >>4297202 Lmao, and I thought you're serious

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 10 19:55:35 2020 No.4302802 File: 148 KB, 1080x888, A9DA3784-C3EA-4F31-B11E-AD6638979199.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Man, I’m always late to these

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 10 21:00:11 2020 No.4302887 >>4302802 That's cute anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 11 23:35:51 2020 No.4304860 >>4284123 >They had the Jews build the pyramids >this is what Americans actually believe

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 11 23:44:57 2020 No.4304870 >>4295432 Goddamn you're ignorant and immature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 11 23:46:49 2020 No.4304872 File: 303 KB, 1139x1641, 98.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277529

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 12 14:31:31 2020 No.4305803 >>4287867 Arbitrary mass replying should have it's own report category. In short, fuck off you absolute nigger

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 07:56:12 2020 No.4307288 >>4277786 based

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