/asg/ - Anime Study General

[Anonymous No.4242544]

**Don’t aimlessly study the fundamentals or anime. Learn the fundamentals (form, value, color, composition, etc.) through properly copying anime.**

General anime style discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Keep most of your personal works for /alt/ or the other critique threads. Here we should be drawing copies from good anime styled references (illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.) to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

Effective Art Study Guide:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cK9q7oeFRE58MVaSgUql662iGqCXC8Ah

General Art Overview:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz_mE9a29gsEd09TemJMNTJMWGs

Japanese Book Collection:
https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!sddDyarD

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

Discord:
https://discord.gg/3bwdfRk

Previous Thread:
>>4230504

[Anonymous No.4242547]

is it uhhh worth.. posting in ...

[Anonymous No.4242694]

Is this like /beg/ for /alt/ threads?

[Anonymous No.4242696]

Are these threads worth posting to?? Saw it in the catalog and had second thoughts.

[Anonymous No.4242714]

>>4242547
>>4242696
What kinda dumbfuck questions are these

>>4242694
no but most of the guys here are beg

[Anonymous No.4242717]

>>4242544
the problem with study threads is that everything studied, takes weeks/day/hours to make yet naive /beg/ will always half ass for 30 minutes, get burnt out, and give up. a polished turd thread would be more useful.

[Anonymous No.4242722]

>>4242717
lmao imagine being in front of a tablet and talking to yourself as you look at pixiv works "Wow this is nice! I'm gonna do a study of this!" and you spend 30 minutes to an hour doing the study and then at the end you're like "man, I finished this "study" in an hour than what took mr. pro here one whole week and a half to finish. I must be improving!!!!

[Anonymous No.4242811]

pee pee poo poo

[Anonymous No.4242817]

idk

[Anonymous No.4242824]

In art what does it mean to do a study of something?

[Anonymous No.4242825]

drew this

[Anonymous No.4242829]

[Anonymous No.4242854]

I went through hampton's design and invention and loomis' fun with a pencil.
What do I go through next?

[Anonymous No.4242857]

>>4242544
Does anyone know the artists behind the OP pic

[Anonymous No.4242879]

>>4242825
She cute. Properly master anatomy so you can stylize better and you will have a bright future ahead of you.
>>4242854
In no particular order
-Norling - Perspective made Easy
-Hitokaku
-Either Steve Huston or Vilppu
-Date Naoto - Deconstruction Illustrated
Pick one and take your time. If you get tired of one take a break and switch to another. You will start noticing things that are redundant among all of these with slightly different approaches. This is good and will help you understand things.

[Anonymous No.4242888]

>>4242879
>Properly master anatomy
What am I lacking in my anatomy?
How do I get better?

[Anonymous No.4242958]

>>4242879
thanks for the suggestions

[Anonymous No.4243151]

Is it alright to start with digital or should I stick to traditional until I get better?

[Anonymous No.4243165]

>>4243151

Trad because of values. With a pc you can cheat value. Also many other reasons. I would do both.

[Anonymous No.4243167]

>>4243151
you can do digital, just never use ctrl+z or erase

[Anonymous No.4243169]

>>4243165
Thanks! How do you cheat values with a pc? I want to avoid doing that

[Anonymous No.4243171]

>>4243167
Ah I see. That was one of the appeals of digital but I see that you should not do that. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.4243173]

>>4243151
Traditional first. Stick to your fundamentals. When you fully understand line shape form perspective and value, and I mean you are comfortable doing those on a whim accurately, you are ready to move on to color and digital.

[Anonymous No.4243177]

>>4243173
That does make sense. Thanks for the advice

[Anonymous No.4243181]

>>4243169
By color picking values from your reference. You should make a palette of values by eye and use them so you can train yourself. Color picker is a crutch.

[Anonymous No.4243198]

>>4243151
Traditional. Get some ballpoint pens and a ream of printer paper. Get going.

Digital is horrible for beginners because the dexterity isn't there and digital is really loose. The skills you get from drawing will translate to the tablet. Beginners get lost in learning programs instead of learning to draw. They get sucked in trying out different brushes and flailing around with color when they can't even draw or understand the value scale. A very cheap gouache/watercolor kit is what I'd recommend trying before going to digital as well so you understand how colors mix and the general painting process. People who do digital with no trad painting background miss out on a lot of fundamentals of what their tools are trying to emulate.

[Anonymous No.4243207]

>>4242824
Bump

[Anonymous No.4243226]

>>4242824
It means studying a subject, technique or fundamental so that you understand how to replicate it without looking. It can also just be academic stuff, practice. It's the technical side of art, rather than the fun creative stuff.

Study can be learning how to:
>Understand perspective, proportions, [insert fundamental here]
>Recreate a black+white photo accurately for a value study
>Construct an animal from simple forms, and then draw it from memory
>Learn how to replicate an artists technique
>Learn anatomy
>Do bargue plates to learn pencil techniques and tone control
Etc.

A study is just studying. Subject or technique, goal, and then you do it until you've learned what you want.

The most important part of studying is testing yourself. Just like you did tests to see if you could recall info in school, recalling information you learn and applying it is important to art and retaining your gains. Do things from memory. Make a new piece of art with the skills you've learned, and finish it to the best of your ability even if it's difficult.

[Anonymous No.4243331]

>>4243207
LIke when you draw your hand, and make sure to get the proportions correct, that would be like an anatomy study of your hand. If you do the same drawing, but focus on shading it correctly, that's a value study of a hand. U get it?

[Anonymous No.4243542]

>>4242825
Proportions and anatomy are a little bit off, but it's pretty appealing overall, specially the face.
Good job

[Anonymous No.4243946]

>Oh boi cant wait to draw some anime girls
>Do some figures
>They end up looking like Aeon Flux lanky ass bitches

[Anonymous No.4244084]

[Anonymous No.4244090]

>>4242825
>>4244084
worthless

[Anonymous No.4244093]

>>4244084
>>4242825
>i know anatomy

[Anonymous No.4244094]

>>4242817
dentiskun please die already

[Anonymous No.4244144]

>>4244090
>>4244093
It'd be more useful if you told me what was wrong.

[Anonymous No.4244152]

>>4244144
but you said you already know anatomy and you don't need that muscle bullshit, retardo

[Anonymous No.4244154]

>>4244094
No!

[Anonymous No.4244161]

>>4244154
>same bait images
at least try harder and im not talking about your drawings

[Anonymous No.4244169]

>>4244161
I'm sorry but I don't follow.

[Anonymous No.4244172]

>>4244154
>>4242817

hey bucko you got the wrong general, the asstlickers are two blocks down

>>>/alt/

[Anonymous No.4244178]

>>4244172
I'm sorry dad.

[Anonymous No.4244300]

[Anonymous No.4244309]

>>4244172
His skill level is a better fit for this thread tbqh

[Anonymous No.4244313]

help me improve please

[Anonymous No.4244338]

>>4244084
shes too flat, not enough information, and the pose is so boring.

[Anonymous No.4244411]

>>4244300
Is there any place where I can add you so we can talk?

[Anonymous No.4244487]

>>4244411
What's wrong with here?

[Anonymous No.4244494]

>>4244487
He's FBI

[Anonymous No.4244502]

>>4244411
lol i love this

[Anonymous No.4244505]

>>4244300
>>4244411
>tfw ywn talk to anon and help improve that cute artwork at a much more rapid pace
I feel you anon.

[Anonymous No.4244508]

DRAW A LOLI RIGHT NOW

[Anonymous No.4244520]

>>4244508

[Anonymous No.4244522]

>>4244520
As cute as this is, all the sharp tapered line work hurts my eyes.

[Anonymous No.4244523]

>>4244522
whaddya mean, the "BG" or the hair or the arms/legs/body

[Anonymous No.4244530]

>>4244523
Everything. Anything that has soft edges like the expression and tooth are okay.

[Anonymous No.4244535]

>>4244530
oh you just mean the chicken scratch lineart? By "tapered" I thought you meant this shit in pic rel, I have fine tuned CSP to fix it a bit but it still pops up every now and then.

[Anonymous No.4244558]

>>4244505
>No anon senpai to teach you the ropes to improve at a much faster pace
I walk alone

[Anonymous No.4244565]

>>4244535
That's a Wacom issue, anon. I got it fixed by installing older drivers that came in the box. Disabling Windows Ink works for some people, too.

[Anonymous No.4244567]

>>4244565
Might be because of CSP's brush stroke slider too

[Anonymous No.4244578]

>>4244508

[Anonymous No.4244583]

>>4244578
Your perspective is pretty messed up. Also you drew the ribcage the wrong direction in that aspect too. Look up what a cylinder looks like in perspective similar to your drawing and I think you'll understand where to go from there.

[Anonymous No.4244611]

>>4244578

[Anonymous No.4244617]

>>4244578

[Anonymous No.4244619]

>>4244578
This art style seems kind of familiar.

[Anonymous No.4244622]

>>4244567
I did what i could with the brush stroke slider, I think - is it what's discussed here? https://ask.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=27603
>>4244565
Shiet, I thought my expensive ass laptop/tablet was the problem, glad to hear I can fix it with drivers/disabling Windows Ink.
1. So I should install older versions of Wacom drivers? Do you know which ones?
2. What if I don't even have Windows Ink installed, is there still some disabling steps that are relevant?

[Anonymous No.4244626]

>>4244578
I actually don't think this deserves as much shit as it's getting but I might as well jump on the bandwagon. Keep it up man, nice butt fangs.

[Anonymous No.4244633]

>>4244622
It still happens even with the brush stroke slider at 0?

[Anonymous No.4244636]

>>4244622
There's a bunch of fixes that work for different people. On some systems it doesn't even occur- like on another laptop I got, so you'll have to do trial and error on everything you can find on the internet. A *lot* of people have these issues so it should be easy to find.
>1. So I should install older versions of Wacom drivers? Do you know which ones?
I'm not sure if this will work for you, but I basically uninstalled the wacom driver, and installed the one that came in the tablet's packaging box(should probably rip the CD if it works for you, might help in the future). I haven't updated the driver since.
>2. What if I don't even have Windows Ink installed, is there still some disabling steps that are relevant?
Windows Ink is natively installed on Windows.
Also, check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGi47EWEkuY @4:30. I haven't tried it personally.

[Anonymous No.4244641]

>>4244508

[Anonymous No.4244817]

>>4244508

[Anonymous No.4244848]

>>4244578
When you try drawing something in a difficult perspective it helps to have a handle on perspective.

[Anonymous No.4244900]

Is it me is did the original artist mess up the right eye? It looks a little high to me. I moved it down a bit and now it looks more correct to me

[Anonymous No.4244904]

>>4244900
no, you just don't know how perspective works.

[Anonymous No.4244909]

>>4244904
Draw out the head construction then genius.

[Anonymous No.4244917]

>>4244904
I don't think you know jack shit and any intelligent discussion is beyond the abilities of this thread so I'm going to stop wasting my time here.

[Anonymous No.4244923]

>>4244900
>>4244909
>>4244917
Kek imagine spilling your spaghetti this badly in an anonymous forum.

[Anonymous No.4244934]

>>4244923
Doesn't make you any less retarded.

[Anonymous No.4244936]

>>4244934
This is just too sad and embarrassing, so I'll be nice and give you a tip: read perspective made easy and dynamic sketching and hope to God it'll cure your perspectiveletism.

[Anonymous No.4244948]

>>4244936
Not even debate this with you because you're obvious an idiot. Keep making smug shitposts and enjoy ngmi.

[Anonymous No.4244950]

>>4244936
If you think you're good then post the construction that shows the prespective is correct/incorrect, otherwise feel free to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4244956]

>he keeps doubling down

[Anonymous No.4244961]

>>4244956
What’s the problem? I thought you knew perspective. Is drawing head construction from this angle too hard for you?

[Anonymous No.4244963]

not involved in this bum fight but i’ll do a redline for him after i get off work tonight

[Anonymous No.4244968]

>well if you are so smart why won't you show m- us how is done ha ha

[Anonymous No.4244970]

>>4244956
>>4244968
Cringe

[Anonymous No.4244989]

>>4244948
Ok esl-kun, be sure to hydrate yourself to keep your calm

>>4244950
The problem is that you didn't correct anything in your drawing, all you did was incorrectly attempt to change the orientation of the head while failing to keep the perspective of the whole consistent.
Take the clues from the underside of the chin, the location of the ear relative to the eyes. They all strongly suggest a certain perspective that is consistent with the eyeline.
Take the arc of her headband and see how it orientates in space.
For the final bullet see the orientation of the cylinder of her mic.

All these together paints a very strong and consistent perspective orientation and there's nothing wrong with it. You simply didn't like the orientation, but even then you failed to correctly change it

[Anonymous No.4245008]

>>4244989
I don’t think you understand what the eye positioning means. The eyes should be sunken inside the head. Moving the right eye doesn’t change the orientation of her head, it changes how far inside her head it is. The right eye should be lower because her right brow is too far up for the angle of head.

Your “construction” the of head is deformed and elongated. Why is it so stretched vertically? It doesn’t even take into account the back of her head. Go back and relearn basic head construction.

[Anonymous No.4245012]

oh god this gon be gud

[Anonymous No.4245013]

>i was pretending

your next line will be

pyw/redline

[Anonymous No.4245014]

>>4244989

[Anonymous No.4245016]

>>4244948
>Not even debate this with you because you're obvious an idiot

Genuinely curious here, If he's an idiot why did you delete your own posts

inb4 I am a third guy

[Anonymous No.4245019]

>>4245014
imbecile that's the ear circunference around the skull

[Anonymous No.4245020]

>>4245016
Ah because it was going to turn into a bum fight and he’d shit up the thread with wojacks.

[Anonymous No.4245022]

I am hurting for (You)s f am, hit me with anything

[Anonymous No.4245024]

>>4245020
the wojaks were posted after you deleted your posts genius

[Anonymous No.4245027]

>>4245022
here's your (You) >>4230801

[Anonymous No.4245030]

>>4245022
Faces are skewed and out of proportion. Eyes are too close to each other, learn to properly measure using construction and study the proportions of a real face to learn where how and why different forms are placed and in relationship to each other.

[Anonymous No.4245034]

>>4244963
nvm this guy >>4244989 did a bang up job showing why it’s correct. you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink

[Anonymous No.4245037]

>>4245019
Draw the entire sphere for the skull. Your construction still fucked. Did you try and draw a semicircle for the brow line as well? It clearly isn’t semicircular if that is what you were going for. It isn’t even symmetrical. If you fix your brow line you’d actually realise where the eye should be.

[Anonymous No.4245038]

>>4245034
It’s not correct his brow line (the one that connects ear to ear through the nose and touching the tops of the eyes) is asymmetrical.

[Anonymous No.4245041]

>>4245027
thanks and sorry

>>4245030
You got me there, skipping construction to blindly bulldoze through is a bad habit of mine.

[Anonymous No.4245049]

>>4245037
>>4245038
>>4245014

[Anonymous No.4245051]

>>4245008
>>4245014
You're already misunderstanding a lot of things here since you didn't bother reading my text.
To get a big one out of the way, the arc on the top of her head doesn't represent her cranium, it represents her headband. I highlighted it as it's a good indicator of perspective.

Depth of the eye socket is entirely stylistic choice (I personally don't see anything wrong in this one) and you can feel free to adjust it to your preference.
BUT in this context, if you do want to change it, you need to adjust the position of both of the eyes.
This is because in this piece the eyes are already correctly horizontally aligned, so you cannot change the position of one eye without changing the other, unless you want to break the perspective consistency of the scene.

[Anonymous No.4245054]

>>4245038
it’s completely symmetrical but i can see how you’re misinterpreting it

[Anonymous No.4245066]

>>4245051
The left eye is already too shallow. That is why the right should be moved. Usually with an angle this oblique the nose and brow would have started on obstructing the left eye already. It hasn’t so it implies the nose and brow is not very big. With the right eye so high up it make it look too deep and also makes the ear look too low.

[Anonymous No.4245069]

>>4245066

(continued)
This makes the brow line hard to read correctly thus making it look asymmetrical

[Anonymous No.4245072]

hi /asg/ so I am back once again, nearing the home stretch of the mad quest to copy Fishine's faces. Currently at batch 81-90 and as I am hitting the endpoint I face the problem of running out of the pictures in the gif because of duplicate entries. I am going to try and look some up for the final batch will need just 5-6 more

How do I feel, I can can say that I do feel a lot different about anime faces than at the time I started. Somehow they feel way more familiar, even similar styles just feel as if they are closer but also less engaging. I believe I got pretty desensitized to it at this point but also demystified. I have noticed many patterns that she uses when creating her faces and got some ideas on how to show more emotions. Especially when it comes to tongues and mouths I had to realize how much just small details can make a difference. I also feel it helped a ton with line control and working with hard brushes, it feels so much more natural than before. When I started I almost never used hard brushes but I had to move out of my comfort zone for this and just start doing it I feel way better about it now.

What I still am lost with is the metrics and ratios she uses to create the head and the most importantly the curvature of the face. Somehow my versions always feel too cramped but if I do not make i t cramped then the eyes become too small. The other thing is hair, she makes a lot of details on hair and I still can't really do it so well and naturally on my own. Hair is just really puzzling I get the basics but somehow mines never look so flowy and interesting.

One more batch left to go.

[Anonymous No.4245075]

>>4245072
And here is the full canvas. By now I had to shrink it to around 30% size to be able to post it it.

[Anonymous No.4245076]

>>4245075

[Anonymous No.4245078]

>>4244817
Underrated cute drills and fangs.

[Anonymous No.4245092]

>>4244817
cute loli overshadowed by autistic perspective screeching

[Anonymous No.4245151]

>>4245075
you should order the batches so people can see a progression (or fill the lines in with different color for each set). glad to see you stuck through to completion, most important part is your own work. your hair definitely needs work but please make your own pieces instead of grinding, you haven't accomplished much out of all of this past the first 30 or so

[Anonymous No.4245409]

How do I get better at posing in perspective?

[Anonymous No.4245415]

>>4245409
by placing figures inside boxes in perspective. start with simplified boxes of the body, then when you get the hang of that you can do it with people.

[Anonymous No.4245424]

>>4245075
>>4245072
Do you do any work from imagination? It probably would have been a lot more useful for you to draw maybe 10-15 faces and then start trying to apply Fishne's style to your own original works.

[Anonymous No.4245451]

>>4242544
Do you guys like the archtypical animu artist when character bias isn't in play?
The lineart is there with videos uploaded for copying's sake to boot yet there's rarely any mention of them even though this is closer to anime than most of the anons here and on the Discord..

[Anonymous No.4245485]

>>4245451
Which videos are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.4245491]

is my anatomy off?

[Anonymous No.4245493]

>>4245485
Hyanna Natsu’s YouTube and every channel that’s in her channel section. A prime candidate for reverse engineering.

[Anonymous No.4245499]

>>4245493
Thank you

[Anonymous No.4245505]

[Anonymous No.4245695]

[Anonymous No.4245697]

>>4245505
>>4245695
I'm jealous your faces are better than my abominations.

[Anonymous No.4245793]

>>4245424
This has been asked before, yes do draw from imagination but I wouldn't post it cause it is /beg/ trash. The point of this entire "mad experiment" was to see what happens if I grind and copy this way. It was more of a joke that someone suggested at a Fishine thread that I, being the madman that probably I am, decided to actually do.

I did attempt a few batches imitating Fishine's style after the 60th copy (I think?), it was even in last thread
>>4234676
>>4234679
>>4234681
Obviously they very are far from being good. I have read Fishine manga and I have no illusions if I would have to create an entire manga like that I would be destroyed.

>>4245151
Yeah I really should reorder them they are really cluttered, I'll probably do that eventually maybe even timestamp them, is that a good idea? And yeah I have only done 30 of my own imagination thus far and I plan to do more, I just want to reach the 100 mark that I promised at the start.

Thank you for your encouragements Anons!

[Anonymous No.4245899]

>>4242825

[Anonymous No.4245959]

I don't know what to draw in general.
What do I do.

[Anonymous No.4245992]

how do i draw characters smaller than 5 heads, it's too hard to get the proportions right

[Anonymous No.4245994]

>>4245695
Why'd my post get deleted?

[Anonymous No.4246012]

>>4245959
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FEEL THE FORM

[Anonymous No.4246021]

>>4245992
Reduce skull size first

[Anonymous No.4246038]

>>4245899
What does it say?

[Anonymous No.4246169]

>>4245072
>>4245075
Man, I wish one day my characters could be even half as expressive as Fishine's

[Anonymous No.4246173]

>>4245992
unironicallty loomis, he mentions this landmarks iirc, the length of the arms up to the nuckles is the same as the leg starting from the crotch, and the length of the leg staring from the bone is the same as the lower leg, and the shoulder to shoulder(where the collarbones ends) is about the same as the length of the arm, it can be smaller but never above or it will look off.thats from the top of my head and if you are going to draw lolis from age 8 or less the bodies tend to look like potatos try looking for some ref of that. but these landmarks usually apply aswell.

also how do i make my lineweight less shitty?

[Anonymous No.4246224]

>>4242544
How do I look like this?
I'm looking for a pen in particular.

[Anonymous No.4246242]

>>4246173
what the fuck is that on the right

[Anonymous No.4246251]

based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIlLtkyUYg

[Anonymous No.4246343]

>>4246242
Looks like a janny getting fucked

[Anonymous No.4246350]

>>4246343
based

[Anonymous No.4246351]

>>4246251
fucking based, I was looking for this for weeks.

[Anonymous No.4246353]

>>4246343
>>4246343
>>4246173
holy shit

[Anonymous No.4246373]

>>4246173
Can you post this picture without the writing?
It's hilarious

[Anonymous No.4246377]

>>4246373
nigga you are in /ic/ and you can't edit that shit, even paint will do.

[Anonymous No.4246383]

>>4246173
legit question how long do i have to draw to reach this level?

[Anonymous No.4246392]

>>4246173
>>4246021
Can i draw a regular body and adjust the head size accordingly?
Will that work or will it look weird

[Anonymous No.4246394]

>>4246173
saved

[Anonymous No.4246408]

>>4246383
3 years, most likely

[Anonymous No.4246479]

Why does this look so terrible?
I always draw real bodies then stick an anime head on it. Is that why?

[Anonymous No.4246512]

>>4246392
it's going to look weird, like i said the younger they are the more their bodies look like potatoes, you may get away with ages likes 14 and above but 8 and below, if you slap a big head with bug eyes is going to look off, the more deformed the face the worse, and even if you do, you still need to adjust some stuff like feet,hips,shoulder to shoulder length, torso and pelvis are shorter, i really don't know much about it but im 100% about those, try looking at lolis and take landmarks, look at boorus for granblue, their lolis are from age 8 or less or rather they look like that.

[Anonymous No.4246519]

>>4246353
Based Satanachia poster.

[Anonymous No.4246520]

>>4246512
thank you

[Anonymous No.4246524]

>>4246479
It's not even about your bad anatomy. Your bodies completely lack any cues of 3d form. They're flat.

[Anonymous No.4246527]

>>4246524
How do I make it not look flat?

[Anonymous No.4246533]

>>4246527
With Loomis.

[Anonymous No.4246562]

>>4246533
Which book?

[Anonymous No.4246566]

That's it, i am lost
Dunno how to make BGs, dunno how to render and color

[Anonymous No.4246570]

>>4246566
Just like draw a tree in the background with a bench. I like your drawing, so it feels wasted to not finish it. Just slap on some base colors and then shade spheres. Please don't give up.

[Anonymous No.4246599]

>>4246570
Thank you, Anon, i will do my best

[Anonymous No.4246623]

>>4246533
>>4246562
In serious what loomis book?
Or are you just mememing?

[Anonymous No.4246646]

>>4246566
the fuck happened to that knee

[Anonymous No.4246669]

>>4242544
Give thoughts pls

[Anonymous No.4246681]

>>4246669
i really hope thats the bed of your sister

[Anonymous No.4246898]

>>4242857
That art is by https://twitter.com/monana

[Anonymous No.4246901]

>>4246623
Start on fun with a pencil to introduce you to the basic forms and how to visualize these forms in 3d space and how to describe these forms by giving them volume.

[Anonymous No.4246904]

>>4246901
I already went through fun with a pencil.
Should I go through it again?

[Anonymous No.4247013]

[Anonymous No.4247018]

[Anonymous No.4247112]

>>4247013
Can you post the original ref? I wanna do muscle mommy

[Anonymous No.4247171]

I'm so terrible at drawing.

[Anonymous No.4247183]

>>4247171
i know

[Anonymous No.4247184]

>>4247183
Not him but post your work.

[Anonymous No.4247210]

>>4245899
trying to apply semi-realistic anatomy to anime characters just ends up making them look creepy.

[Anonymous No.4247229]

>>4247112
I tried adding the muscles and abs.

[Anonymous No.4247246]

>>4245899
>tfw you'll never be this good and read korean

[Anonymous No.4247283]

>>4247229
>using a ref for such a simple pose

[Anonymous No.4247287]

>>4247283
Post your twintails.

[Anonymous No.4247296]

>>4247018
based Sataniaposter

[Anonymous No.4247524]

How do I get used to poses like this?
I suck at perspective.

[Anonymous No.4247533]

>>4247229
Thank you for posting the reference. Here is my take on it. Critique appreciated.

[Anonymous No.4247589]

>>4247013
>5 pads
at least look at a real/accurate reference if you want to learn something from reality

[Anonymous No.4247605]

>>4247533
Eyes look like they are painted on. Also cross eyed.

[Anonymous No.4247606]

>>4247605
Also her right shoulder (the one that is supposed to be behind her head) is completely off.

[Anonymous No.4247615]

>>4247524
Improve at perspective then.

[Anonymous No.4247619]

>>4247533
compare negative spaces

[Anonymous No.4247953]

>>4247605
This is my bane and something I constantly struggle with
>>4247606
You are also right about this. This was a mistake on my part.
>>4247619
I do not understand this and how to do it

Thanks for the critiques. Much appreciated, gives me a more clear picture on what should I work on

[Anonymous No.4247958]

>>4247953
>I do not understand this and how to do it
Negative space as far as artwork is concerned, is basically everything that is not your subject. For example, the (rough)triangle that your subject's right hand makes in your reference vs in your linework can be compared to check proportions and general fidelity. If you did a silhouette selection in a painting software and inverted it, it'll give you negative space. pic related. This might help, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_space

[Anonymous No.4247962]

>>4247958

[Anonymous No.4247963]

>>4247958
Now I get it. When comparing with the reference the size of the negative triangles is way off. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.4247983]

Shity art aside
Do you consider this hot?

[Anonymous No.4247987]

>>4247983
No, because she needs to be enjoying it rather than taking a photoop for you and be looking at the camera instead of indulging herself. At least have her look down at the cuck so that way it can look more legitimate rather than forced.

[Anonymous No.4247991]

>>4247983
tastes are subjective, that aside the drawing is so bad that i can't feel nothing but disgust, the tits look like tranny tits the hands and fingers are way too bad like terrible, the face is absolute beg.

pic is what you may want, it's not ABOUT the linework, but having the the forms underlying correctly so even if it has a messy linework it's easy to read

[Anonymous No.4247994]

>>4247991
They are both at the same level of beg, the only difference is that both figures are interacting with each other and you are the audience as opposed to one of them looking at the camera making you feel like it's some cheap porno shoot. Your tastes are not any better either pleb.

[Anonymous No.4247996]

>>4247994
Cope

[Anonymous No.4248000]

>>4247987
>>4247991
Alright, thanks anons

[Anonymous No.4248001]

>>4247184

[Anonymous No.4248004]

>>4247994
imagine being this anon, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.4248010]

>4248004
Not giving any (you)s until you post your work you little faggot.

[Anonymous No.4248012]

>4248010
>>4248001

[Anonymous No.4248015]

>>4247994
stupid nigger im talking about the forms not if the image makes your buthole itch, but please show me your superior tastes in what you believe is hot.

[Anonymous No.4248020]

>>4248015

[Anonymous No.4248023]

>>4248020
>/u/ tranny


pffffhahahhahaha

[Anonymous No.4248025]

>>4248010
>implying there's only one satania poster
Here, I will (you) him for you.
>>4248004

[Anonymous No.4248026]

>>4248010
you forgot an arrow bro, let me help you.

>>4248010
>>4248004

[Anonymous No.4248028]

>4248025
Nice try faggot you're not getting any from me until I know who's behind the recent Satanachia shitposting.
>>4248023
You may not like it, but this is how the purest form of love looks like.

[Anonymous No.4248033]

>>4248028
Nice. How do I draw like this

[Anonymous No.4248034]

>4248033
Loomis, but unironically.

[Anonymous No.4248045]

>>4248028
>Nice try faggot
>only one guy can post one kind of image!
Keep deluding yourself.

[Anonymous No.4248071]

>>4248045
>>4248028
>>4248026
>>4248025
>>4248023
>>4248020
>>4248015
>>4248012
>>4248010
>>4248004
pyw

[Anonymous No.4248075]

idk how many sataniachads are out there but just let you all know..... (You) are Based!

[Anonymous No.4248086]

>>4248034
I thought Loomis is a meme.

[Anonymous No.4248087]

>>4248075
Thank you, fellow Sataniachad. I will let you know that you too, in fact, are Based!

[Anonymous No.4248117]

>>4248071

[Anonymous No.4248252]

>>4242544
>If you want to draw moeblobs you gotta master Leonardo da Vinci's light theory and go to medical school
I've got three #2 pencils and a stack of printer paper, the doc says I've gotta copy shit and I'll git gud, gimme a pic I guess

[Anonymous No.4248292]

>>4248252

[Anonymous No.4248313]

does this look too terrible?

[Anonymous No.4248355]

[Anonymous No.4248396]

[Anonymous No.4248402]

>>4248396
you're garbo

[Anonymous No.4248404]

>>4248402
Should I just stop posting here?

[Anonymous No.4248407]

>>4248313
>>4248396
Kys pedo

[Anonymous No.4248411]

>>4248404
Not really. Don't let the crabs get to you. What you should do is try to absorb every critique where you can extract something useful and discard plain insults. And ask for critique whenever you can and work with it

[Anonymous No.4248416]

>>4248411
pyw

[Anonymous No.4248417]

>>4248117
seek therapy

[Anonymous No.4248428]

>>4248117
My savior, Mikuchad. Don't listen to these ignoramuses! Just one glance at your masterpieces leaves me flowing with precum. Please, I beg you- take leave of these unenlightened boors and continue drawing your cute and funny lolitas. Prost!

[Anonymous No.4248429]

>>4248428
pyw

[Anonymous No.4248433]

>>4248402
pyw

[Anonymous No.4248437]

>>4248433

[Anonymous No.4248452]

>>4248437
not anime

[Anonymous No.4248455]

How do I do better construction?

[Anonymous No.4248461]

>>4248455
you are beyond salvation. there's not point in talking to you, you never listen any advice and everything you post keeps having the same fundamental errors.
why do you even bother.

[Anonymous No.4248463]

>>4248461
What advice? What most of you people do is laugh at me and yell loomis.

[Anonymous No.4248471]

>>4248463
you have been shitposted because everyone who tried to help you got tired or just stopped, because is obvious you don't give a shit, you got told to study anatomy,your fundies and you got some redlines too and they told you go study all that shit, but no, you keep on going doing the same shitty mistakes and asking '' lmao why my drawings are shit? wtf are you laughing at me?''.

[Anonymous No.4248482]

>>4248471
I did study, I studied anatomy and fundamentals but I can't improve. I've been stuck here for a year. No matter how many times I've watched anatomy tutorials and read through anatomy books I can't improve.
I'm stuck.
I want to improve but I can't.

[Anonymous No.4248528]

>>4248482
When ever you watch a video, you are looking for easy answers and not really studying. When ever you use a reference, you copy the marks made without thinking why the marks were made in the first place. You are taking the hard thought process required out of it, and it is this critical thinking that is the key to good drawings.

Even then with >>4248455 if we are even to treat it as a still life and ignore anatomy and perspective VERY little thought had been put into it. eg Why is the left boob higher than the right, you got the image right infront of you, your observational skills are NON EXISTENT that no anatomy or perspective lesson will help.

I am in total agreement with that guy. It's been a year yet you haven't improved, then this place is not for you and it's best for you to just leave as obviously we are not providing you any benefit.

No you did not study anatomy, you did not study fundamentals and that is obvious.

[Anonymous No.4248537]

>>4248528
I did study them, I studied them so much. I'm just really really shit at it.

[Anonymous No.4248538]

>>4248537
This is your limit then.

[Anonymous No.4248541]

>>4248455
what tablet and what software

[Anonymous No.4248542]

>>4248538
Quit being such an unhelpful gigantic faggot.
>>4248537
Stop copying anime. Start drawing more basic forms from fun with a pencil and then learn how to combine these into more organic and complex forms on top of each other. But first you must know how to visualize forms in space, but a lot of people just read through the book see the funny faces and think they're too good to draw them when in fact they're missing the point and a much needed fundamental method of construction.

[Anonymous No.4248547]

>>4248541
huion 680s and manga studio

[Anonymous No.4248549]

>>4248542
It's been a year since we started giving him advice and I agree with him, no improvement. Being here isn't helping him at all.

[Anonymous No.4248552]

>>4248549
I might of phrased it wrong, I've been stuck on this level for year but I only recently started posting on /ic/, maybe a week or so.

[Anonymous No.4248555]

>>4248549
Of course being here isn't helping him because you cocksuckers put an emphasis on copying instead of making observational studies from life and learning how to break down matter into basic forms that are easily recognizable, malleable and capable of working with your imagination. Now because of you he needs to unlearn all the shit you've been spewing out it's your fault not his.

[Anonymous No.4248557]

>>4248547
Save up for the Apple iPad Pro 12.9.

[Anonymous No.4248558]

>>4248557
itoddler shill fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4248560]

>>4248552
Oh I thought you were the same dude on /a/
Had the same excuses and same level of skill.
Don't mind me, enjoy your stay then.

[Anonymous No.4248563]

>>4246224
hey anon, you dont actually need anything complicated to approximate that sort of thing...all you need is a brush with a slightly pencil-ey look, non-zero minimum size, and (probably) slightly adjustable density, and you'll get similar looking (albeit probably not the exact) effects.
image related

[Anonymous No.4248565]

>>4248555
That was the advice we gave.
Since he said he was here for a year and it looked very similar so sorry if I mistook him for that guy that didn't heed those messages.

[Anonymous No.4248569]

>>4248560
I am that same guy from /a/.

[Anonymous No.4248572]

Help me become anime artist, /ic/, please...

[Anonymous No.4248577]

>>4248572
I`ve done this one here too... Shitty af but I`m gonna keep grindin

[Anonymous No.4248578]

>>4248555
this isn't and art course anon, the whole point of this general and the others is to post our work and get some feedback, you can't expect people to handhold you through every book or resources, he got told wjat to study but he's just saying ''i already studied that ,ican't get better"" when he clearly hasn't studied enough or even correctly, if you truly believe that shit you sai, then go and carry him, tell him how to put 2+2, because theres already a general for that and is not this one.

[Anonymous No.4248583]

>>4248569

[Anonymous No.4248588]

>>4248578
Some of us don't frequent these threads but whenever we happen to see the thread it's almost always a circlejerk about either what's on the OP, a certain piece from your favorite fap artist or what is going down in your tranny discord servers. Is this what you fags do on /a/?
>4248583
Cunt

[Anonymous No.4248589]

>>4248569
jesus fuck, you are right you haven't improved jack shit. maybe this is your limit.

[Anonymous No.4248598]

>>4248588
>/asg/ never had the work of someone as the op or not that i remember, and probably is the only general with beg maybe that never namedrops, let alone circlejerk, the discord shit has probably happen 5 or 8 times tthis year when someone wanted the link inthe op removed but never devolved into a long discussion or derail, and i have never see more than 1 or 2 people asking about op image so idk where the fuck do you bring these ideas from.
>Is this what you fags do on /a/?
what?

if you are this guy>>4248569 i will let you know that this general is not for beginners in the sense of you just started drawing for the first time, you need to know your fundies, if you dont, well like you just saw everyone is going to tell you go to study.Not because we are dicks but it's because you can't properly incorporate anime stylization if you don't now your basics, and all you will do is stuff like>>4248313 and people will just tell you all of the above.

[Anonymous No.4248601]

>>4248598
i didn't mean to greetext the first arrow

[Anonymous No.4248610]

>>4248598
>i will let you know that this general is not for beginners in the sense of you just started drawing for the first time, you need to know your fundies, if you dont, well like you just saw everyone is going to tell you go to study.
Quite frankly, none of you belong here.

[Anonymous No.4248614]

seeing people try really hard and fail gives me anxiety

[Anonymous No.4248615]

>>4248614
now pyw

[Anonymous No.4248616]

>>4248610
maybe, but i try to help with what i know, so people don't make the same mistakes i did, but when you have guys like that dude there's little to nothing of what you can do to help him, i not even laughing at him, it just bothers me that he keeps putting himself in these situations were people are roasting him. but i guess this is truly the last time i ever comment on any of his work.

there was a guy just like him on /beg/ and it was the same deal, people tried to help him, he didn't listen,then people just laugh and finally they got tired of him and just told him to stop wasting his time posting because he wasn't taking any advice and there's no point in posting if you dont want to improve or take any feedback, this is /ic/ not your blog where you can dump your gallery although some people do that but they just want to shill...anyways nobody is going to stop you/him of posting, but there's going to be a point were everyone is just going to ignore you even if you ask for help or just laugh at you and for a good reason.

pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.4248618]

>>4248615

[Anonymous No.4248621]

>>4248615
I have less than 6 months of experience it's not worth it. I can't post easily my work because I draw on paper and don't have a camera on hand. I stopped doodling when I was 12 years old and only started drawing again 13 years later. I'm doing draw-a-box and copying from artists I like.

[Anonymous No.4248640]

>>4248455
I don't understand the pose on the left. Is she supposed to be on her back or standing up? She looks like she has severe scoliosis. Is it supposed to be a good drawing?

[Anonymous No.4248693]

I just want to give some advice, if you don't already, make a twitter account and follow as many jap artists as you can, there is a whole sea of really great high quality shit being flooded constantly. instead of seething here and looking at bad art, spend some time on a tailored twitter feed to fuel your flames.

[Anonymous No.4248695]

>>4248693
Artists always post little galleries of close ups that detail how they render things as well, like pic related

[Anonymous No.4248776]

>>4248598
based
>>4248610
i guess that's a wrap, everyone

[Anonymous No.4248830]

>>4248610
>>4248776
Therefore, jews, Though expertise be thy plea, consider this:
That in the course of learning none of us
Should see mastery. We do pray for mastery,
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render the deeds of learning. Our only sin is wanting to learn.

[Anonymous No.4248857]

>>4248429
Silence, ignoramus! Blasted pywanker! Have some learning material to copy from. Methinks you can't even redline this without soiling yourself!

[Anonymous No.4248877]

>>4248857
>tfw ywn have clean line work like this

[Anonymous No.4248888]

>>4248776
What brush do you use for doing the lineart? It looks nice

[Anonymous No.4248920]

How is it?

[Anonymous No.4248932]

>>4248888
thanks, for that one i used these
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/search?user=Hmm...&order=new

[Anonymous No.4248958]

>>4248437
kneel cope etc etc

[Anonymous No.4248962]

>>4248877
How do you grip your stylus(underhand, overhand, can you draw an example? i know it seems trivial but grip is more important than you think). And how close do you zoom in when you do lineart? All these factors can affect the quality of your piece. If shaky lines are a problem, then practice traditionally for now to build up a modicum of pencil control.

[Anonymous No.4249077]

[Anonymous No.4249108]

>>4249077
...is that a vagina between her tits?

[Anonymous No.4249128]

>>4249108
no lmao i'll put a hand there squeezing that tit

[Anonymous No.4249160]

>>4248572
>>4248577
n-n-noone?

[Anonymous No.4249170]

>>4249160
>>4248577
Sorry, I forgot to reply to these! I like the second one a lot! It's got a very cool aesthetic to it. Keep going!!!

[Anonymous No.4249178]

>>4248313
I love your work.
I used it as a reference and drew this, thanks!

[Anonymous No.4249196]

>>4249178
based anon using anon's failure to bring attention to himself.

[Anonymous No.4249220]

Who's the pussy that deleted his post, I missed it.

[Anonymous No.4249225]

What are some anime artists that draw from scratch on youtube?

I already checked out the ones in the OP.

[Anonymous No.4249230]

>>4248958
But hes the one thats actually coping by spamming boards with his trash art under the guise of looking for help when hes really just begging for sympathy and praises

[Anonymous No.4249237]

>>4249170
th-thanks, anon. gonna keep grinding and posting here and instagram. Gonna document this journey.

[Anonymous No.4249240]

Whos got some anime brushes for photshop

[Anonymous No.4249416]

>>4248857
I want to draw soft loli butts
How do I draw soft loli butts

[Anonymous No.4249422]

>>4249416
With spherical forms ala Loomis.

[Anonymous No.4249460]

>>4248920
beg

[Anonymous No.4249687]

>>4242825
Cute!

[Anonymous No.4250008]

>>4248117
based as fuck

[Anonymous No.4250019]

>>4248252
N-NOOOO YOU CAN'T DRAW ANIME TO BEGIN YOU NEED TO STUDY THE OLD MASTERS FOR 10,000 HOURS UNTIL YOU CAN EVEN THINK ABOUT JAPANESE STYLE LINE ART!!! ART HAS STRICT RULES AND THEY ARE MADE BY ME.

[Anonymous No.4250042]

>>4249422
>tfw this color palette is maximum comfy that turns even the grayest of workspaces into SoL

[Anonymous No.4250065]

>>4248020
>>4248028
>>4248117
>c/u/ck was the mikupedo all along
OH NO NO NO
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
how will /u/tranny recover

[Anonymous No.4250077]

>>4248437
based

[Anonymous No.4250079]

>>4248461

[Anonymous No.4250081]

>>4248572
>>4248577
You are an artist. You made those. Better than what I can do.

[Anonymous No.4250183]

>>4250019

[Anonymous No.4250546]

Here's my first memory study following the advice in the Doc.All feedback is welcome.

Sorry it's not very anime though, it was based on 3dpd photo reference. I guess this is more towards a manga style. Next one I'm doing is more stylized.

[Anonymous No.4250614]

>>4248461
Great reaction pics Anon! You really showed everyone what a cool person you are!

[Anonymous No.4250616]

>>4250183
Sure, it's a straw man. But people feel this way. If they have a right to impose their opinions like it's matter of fact I've got a right to make fun of them.

[Anonymous No.4250793]

>>4249077
i'm experimenting other processes
i'd appreciate some opinions

[Anonymous No.4250795]

>>4250793
also

[Anonymous No.4250814]

>>4250793
looks like pimples

[Anonymous No.4251164]

>>4245072
>>4245075
>>4245076
This is it anon, the penultimate batch, the final faces - The end is nigh! I'm really proud of you, you've come so far on this madquest, you've had highs and lows and hundreds of frustrarions and yet you always pushed through! I'm glad I've been here with you and you've learnt all this stuff! Linework, details, hardbrushes - these are all so important, i can only congratulate you.
To be honests, metrics are ften beyond me when I study, once again, try producing a redline? some anime art is beyond us...
Either way, there's no other way I can put it - I'm so proud - it's the last push now - you can do it! I'm rooting for you＼＼\(۶•̀ᴗ•́)۶////

[Anonymous No.4251218]

>>4251164
Thanks Anon but the next batch will be a batch from my own imagination. The one after will be the 91-100 but I will have to pick up some more material because the original gif will end at 95 or so.

[Anonymous No.4251228]

>>4251164
wholesome

[Anonymous No.4251314]

how do some pictures have something innate "japanese" to them?

>pic related, does this "feel" japanese made to you?

[Anonymous No.4251322]

>>4251314
>does this "feel" japanese made to you?
absolutely not. dakuten on the ぞ is misplaced and the strokes for 楽 are completely butchered.

[Anonymous No.4251329]

>>4251314
The eye placement and proportions are way off. That makes it feel less japanese to me.

[Anonymous No.4251345]

>>4251322
yes, it was a pretty half arsed attempt at making an artistname. Does it actually make sense? Can I even use ぞ logically before this kanji?
>>4251329
would changing this to this way make it better, or are the eyes a lost case altogether?

[Anonymous No.4251361]

>>4251345
it doesn't make any sense to me, but i'm not a native speaker so i can't say for sure.
i'd the other than the writing (which is usually a dead giveaway) the thing that makes it "not japanese" is the complete lack of respect for lines. you've overworked your lines to a point where they've lost all energy and direction but yet they remain hairy and unappealing. you can probably cherrypick examples where this isn't the case, but by and large, japanese artists have a lot of respect for linework

[Anonymous No.4251395]

>>4251345
I think the proportions are more balanced there, but it actually feels like all the facial are skewed out of line with the head. I think you're going for an asymmetrical expression with the one eyebrow lower than the other, but it just looks like everything on the left side got pushed down. That's what I mainly meant by the alignment being off.
Did you construct the head?

[Anonymous No.4251400]

>>4251361
thanks for the advice! I tried cleaning up some lines, but I would have to redo the whole pic I think. Especially right eye in the right-bottom corner looks messy I think
>>4251395
I tried following through with the lines, and it's still a bit off. You are right with trying an asymmetrical expression. No I didn't construct the head. It sort of was a sketch cause I got an ipad pro as an early christmas present for myself.

[Anonymous No.4251402]

>>4251314
>>4251400
Holy hell, looking at the old one and new one makes the first look like she's having a spasm

[Anonymous No.4251450]

>>4251400
OK, I'd advise always doing some sort of construction/pre-planning until you really internalize the process of it. There's a lot of little things that can and probably will end up being misaligned if you're going straight into the lineart directly.
I'd suggest trying to figure out the forms and anatomy of what you drew which will help you figure out why it looks off.
the major mistake with the expression is that you're moving the features down instead of actually obscuring them. Both eyes should be at the same height, only the eyelids change position for the expression. To show that, the line above the left side should be at the same height as the other one, because that's the top of the eye and origin of the eyelid, which doesn't move. Same idea with the bottom lid. It's a lot easier to understand if you look at a real eye and what changes about it with expressions.
I would suggest just studying some facial anatomy and trying to deconstruct anime faces and reconstruct them using your understanding of the face. It will give you much better results than blindly drawing or copying faces.

[Anonymous No.4251452]

>>4251450
*The line above the eye on the left side

[Anonymous No.4251457]

>>4251450
thanks anon, really appreciate the advice, especially the eyelid one. Im gunna sleep now, have a great night/day where you are!

[Anonymous No.4251462]

>>4251457
No problem, glad I can help!
Thank you and sleep well!

[Anonymous No.4251886]

Why do my eyes go from OK to bad as soon as I add the pupils?

[Anonymous No.4251944]

>>4251886
pyw

[Anonymous No.4251992]

>>4251944
I'm copying to learn (started 10 months ago)
https://files.catbox.moe/taguu0.zip

[Anonymous No.4251995]

original

[Anonymous No.4252008]

>>4242544
>Effective Art Study Guide
Using the tips from Dorian's book and Marco Bucci's channel:
First, read "Figure Drawing for Artists" while watching "Beginner Figure Drawing Series" (both the same author, same chapters)
Second, read "Figure Drawing - Design and Invention" (comparing forms between Huston and Hampton)
Third, months later, after learning anatomy, gestures and shadows, finally use Pin2D youtube playlists for an "anime" style
Is this right? should I change order?
Also, I can't find "Dorian Iten: Light Guide" (yes, I'm a poorfag)

[Anonymous No.4252153]

>>4248455
hands need wrists, hands need top be a tad bigger, ribcage/torso and lower body are looking forward, making the pose more look like you just moved the upper body to the left and connected it with smooth lines to the bottom.
At least, try to think of torso, belly and hips as boxes, so you don't make bending mistakes like this.

[Anonymous No.4252156]

>>4248455
Don't know if you are still here but

hands need wrists, hands need top be a tad bigger, ribcage/torso and lower body are looking forward, making the pose more look like you just moved the upper body to the left and connected it with smooth lines to the bottom.
At least, try to think of torso, belly and hips as boxes, so you don't make bending mistakes like this.

[Anonymous No.4252158]

>>4252153
>>4252156
man fuck captcha

[Anonymous No.4253540]

New Thread:
>>4253539
>>4253539
>>4253539