/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4235456]

ITT post drawings before and after

Really interested to see these messy beginner drawings and the finished works they turn into

[Anonymous No.4235460]

>looks worse
Every time

[Anonymous No.4235473]

>>4235456
>ugly dull rendering and colors
>fucked up perfectly good facial expressions
just why

[Anonymous No.4235482]

soul vs soulless

[Anonymous No.4235484]

>rendermonkeys in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.4235489]

>>4235456
soulsoulless.gif

[Anonymous No.4235490]

>>4235456
Is this why your sketches shouldn't have chicken scratching?

[Anonymous No.4235501]

>>4235490
No, he just completely fucked up in every way if he was even the one doing the inking and colouring

[Anonymous No.4235534]

>>4235490
Restating lines looking for what looks right is not chicken scratching desu, that's just one of the crab's most popular memes, and you can see artists going over the same line and then refining it with an eraser in pretty much all process vids except for kim jung gi spergy style

[Anonymous No.4235544]

>>4235456
for those without autism

[Anonymous No.4235547]

>>4235544

[Anonymous No.4235560]

>>4235490
no he just doesn't know how to paint

[Anonymous No.4235564]

[Anonymous No.4235568]

>>4235564

[Anonymous No.4235608]

>>4235564
>>4235568
Aren't these Kiyoshiro Inoue? If so he definitely doesn't belong here, guy's got decent technical chops for a dojin artist.

[Anonymous No.4235628]

>>4235608
oh shit I didn't even read the OP ahaha.
I'll just leave the post up though.

[Anonymous No.4235632]

[Anonymous No.4235704]

unironically i prefer the sketches

[Anonymous No.4235731]

[Anonymous No.4235739]

>>4235704
please dont ever say this to an actual artist about their work.
"oh you could have stopped 5 hours ago, all this shit just ruined it"

[Anonymous No.4235740]

>>4235704
oh thank god you dont prefer them IRONICALLY, that would be LITERALLY cringe unironically

[Anonymous No.4235748]

I'm convinced most mangakers don't know how to ink. It's like they're determined to suck the contrast created from restated lines out by deliberately not varying linewidth like they're using a ballpoint. How do you become skillful enough to create something that looks good only to intentionally fuck it up?

[Anonymous No.4235752]

>>4235740
it always baffles me when retards start using memespeak like it means something. Can't risk being genuine and vulnerable lest people mistake you for being "le ebin troll"

[Anonymous No.4235754]

>>4235547
>doujin
>'works'

[Anonymous No.4235758]

>>4235739
Face reality

[Anonymous No.4235759]

>color it
>it looks like shit

Why does this happen always

[Anonymous No.4235763]

>>4235564
>>4235568
made it tier all the way through

[Anonymous No.4235764]

>>4235758
thats not what a sketch is for. it seems people that dont draw dont understand at all. this thread is a good lesson to never show your sketches.

[Anonymous No.4235767]

>>4235764
i think oda must show only show off his shittiest sketches for this purpose.

[Anonymous No.4235768]

Someone once said if your finished worked looks better than your sketches you're doing something wrong

[Anonymous No.4235769]

>>4235759
For some reason people who are good at drawing are shit coloring and people who are shit at drawing are good with colors. Trying to find the balance between the two can be hard, unless your like this guy.

[Anonymous No.4235770]

>>4235764
>Make art that people like
>b-b-but it's not finished yet!
>Ruin it with bullshit
>There, now you have my permission to like it

[Anonymous No.4235772]

>>4235769
You’re*

[Anonymous No.4235773]

>>4235772
this is 4chan you retard dont ever post that again

[Anonymous No.4235775]

>>4235767
pure soul

[Anonymous No.4235777]

>>4235770
>Make art that people like
theyre not meant to see that step at all. nobody liked it. nothing was ruined.

[Anonymous No.4235782]

>>4235773
I’m sorry Anon-kun, please forgive me.

[Anonymous No.4235813]

>>4235777
So because they "weren't meant to see it" means they shouldn't like it? What kind of bullshit logic is this? If people like the intermediate stage more than the finish work, then why bother finishing it? You're just wasting your own time to make lower quality art.

[Anonymous No.4235819]

>>4235769
That's how you can seperate who is a hack and who is not. Hacks just care about technical drawing ability, color is a very abstract thing and they don't understand it because the have no real artistic vision.

[Anonymous No.4235820]

>>4235739
Why not, it says there's probably something wrong with their final lineart, colouring, or rendering.
Normally a sketch should not be ruined by the final artwork.

[Anonymous No.4235830]

>>4235759
Because they suck at painting.

It's a separate skill from sketching, you know.

[Anonymous No.4235835]

>>4235768
That's either misquoted or just a bad assessment.
>>4235820
Case in point, see attached picture.

[Anonymous No.4235842]

>>4235835
I don't see how it is, sketches always have more soul than the final piece

[Anonymous No.4235871]

>>4235564
>>4235568
ok more like this

[Anonymous No.4235877]

>thread about posting before and after art
>49 replies 9 images

/ic/

[Anonymous No.4235878]

>>4235842
>sketches always have more soul than the final piece
>beg

no art has soul unless it's done by one of the upper echelon nips

[Anonymous No.4235897]

[Anonymous No.4235900]

>>4235897

[Anonymous No.4235904]

>>4235456
my own work but i think this counts?

[Anonymous No.4235909]

>All sketches have more soul than the final produ-

[Anonymous No.4235912]

>>4235909

[Anonymous No.4235932]

Almost invariably those who say their sketches look better than their finished drawings don't draw as well as they think. The thing about a sketch is, since you haven't committed to any lines, you can read a lot into it that isn't actually there. It's like seeing shapes in clouds or inkblots. Clouds are clouds, inkblots are inkblots. Their nature is ambiguous, so you see what you want. A fear of commitment to a line, of deciding, lies beneath sketchaphilia.
The point of sketching is not to instantly make a badass drawing and then to trace over it 1:1 with stabilizer set to 10000%. You're supposed to rough out an idea and build it up to an ever greater state of completion. You continue to evolve the drawing from the initial (probably shit) plan, bring out the best in it, push the drawing in a more decisive, designed direction. You only do this by knowing, really truly knowing, how to draw the thing though. Not by guessing. Guessing no longer works when it comes time to commit to a line, and so "inking," as it's called, reveals weakness that many would rather ignore than confront.

[Anonymous No.4235945]

>>4235909
>-ct

[Anonymous No.4235947]

>>4235932
> The thing about a sketch is, since you haven't committed to any lines, you can read a lot into it that isn't actually there

Ah a fellow memer i see

[Anonymous No.4235948]

Ho many threads for generic uninspired animu smut . do you faggots need?

[Anonymous No.4235951]

>>4235947
God I wish these beautiful sketches weren’t ruined by the time they get in the comic.

[Anonymous No.4235958]

>>4235947
You could not have picked a worst example for your point than Jim Lee. Have you seen the absolute frenzied babyscribbles his drawings start out as? Go ahead and check his youtube channel right now. These are finished pencil drawings ready to be inked for comics. In reality he doesn't start at this stage, he builds his way up exactly as I described. And when it comes time to ink, he doesn't timidly trace his own work like some amateur, as if everything has already been resolved and now, oh god, just please be careful not to fuck it up! He snaps his lines out confidently and lets intuition and experience take over. If he makes a mistake, he inks over it or uses white-out.
This term "inking" just stop being used outside very specific contexts. Inking is not some special drawing skill you practice separately from sketching. I mean it kind of is, but literally it's just finishing a drawing, it's a process not a step.

[Anonymous No.4235961]

>>4235958
>w-well his sketches start shitty!!

Okay so the fuck what stop moving the goalposts

[Anonymous No.4235967]

>>4235961
>The point of sketching is not to instantly make a badass drawing

Obviously you're intent on arguing with me in 4chan memespeak instead of reading and understanding what I said. Why am I bothering with you? I don't even know.

[Anonymous No.4235968]

>>4235967
Cause youre dumb probably

[Anonymous No.4235975]

>>4235968
So we're done here? You have no point? "ur dum, my fellow memer!, goalposts" etc.
Okay cool.

[Anonymous No.4235977]

>>4235975
Ur just so smart and epic what can i do

[Anonymous No.4235981]

>>4235977
You know this ironic cool kids aversion to sincere discussion is why you all stagnate and remain forever retarded at something as simple as drawing. How can you learn anything or see when you're too busy being cool and concise and doubling down on your retarded ways for fear of losing face? I only hope you're underage and you grow out of it. That's all I wanted to say. Go ahead and get your last word.

[Anonymous No.4235982]

>>4235981
> i am smart and mature u r just a kid i bet ur a little kid, kid

Ok

[Anonymous No.4235988]

A classic

[Anonymous No.4235992]

>>4235739
people need to hear this. artists will always overwork their art. you should always be reminding yourself that the piece is done before you think it is.

[Anonymous No.4236043]

>>4235456
why does rendered look like trash? I love that work-in-progress look. It's more three dimensional, more soulful, more dynamic and lively, not as stiff

[Anonymous No.4236054]

>>4236043
Because you have been conditioned by /ic/'s tribal mindset that if something is rendered it is automatically trash.

Or you are just baiting... it doesn't matter which because both options make a you a sad person.

[Anonymous No.4236055]

>>4235456
Before looked better. Especially the expressions were much better.

[Anonymous No.4236057]

>>4235456
That's how I feel about animation.
Keyframes look amazing, then once colors are added, it feels like mediocre anime.

[Anonymous No.4236058]

>>4235731
>you can't even tell how delicious the legs are and everything until the end where it's rendered
What is this magic?

[Anonymous No.4236064]

>>4235988
hol up yo. that was man?!

[Anonymous No.4236066]

>>4235988
>all that understanding on the left was needed for the result on the right
To be fair though, the left has texture and the right completely lacks that flare.

[Anonymous No.4236078]

>>4236054
nah. It's because trash-tier nip artists trace their sketches zoomed all the way fucking in with a lazy pen so that the lineart lacks any of the original dynamism and they cant correct for any glaringly obvious mistakes in perspective. To top it off with this particular case the artist has no idea of the light source and the colors lack any saturation making it look bland af.

[Anonymous No.4236088]

>>4235904
What is that?

[Anonymous No.4236126]

>>4236043
because it's completely bland with horrible color choices, lack of contrast, and almost everything soft edges. the blonde girl went cross-eyed

[Anonymous No.4236184]

>>4236078
Really now Anon, I am quite confident that no matter how well rendered or detailed it would be you still call it trash.

[Anonymous No.4236266]

>>4235564
>>4235568
I'm so fucking angry

[Anonymous No.4236269]

>>4235456
Left: sketch
Right: clean linear

[Anonymous No.4236297]

>>4235819
This but in opposite

[Anonymous No.4236487]

>>4236043
Because he's bad at rendering, lighting and colors.
A lot of the thicker lines in the sketch seem to suggest shadow, but he isn't taking enough advantage of this in the final piece, which ends up with everything looking flatter.
The colors seem washed out because he probably just painted directly over the pure white background and he doesn't use contrast as effectively as he could.

[Anonymous No.4236494]

Also he toned down the expressions of the moeblobs for some reason.

[Anonymous No.4236540]

[Anonymous No.4236547]

This is one of the few ones where I'm confident on the final piece

[Anonymous No.4236548]

>>4236547
But even then I had like 10 different rendering variations, it's just too many variables that might make it worse than the sketch.

[Anonymous No.4236561]

>>4236547
>>4236548
What if I told you they were both shitty.

[Anonymous No.4236564]

>>4236561
Pls don't. I haven't gotten much better since then

[Anonymous No.4236565]

>>4236564
Not that guy but I must concur. They're both shit mate. We're not here to coddle you, if you're looking to play buttgrab fuck off to Jewbook.

[Anonymous No.4236566]

>>4235632
Is it possible to get the grayscale with ink and washing, or is it best to use digital?

[Anonymous No.4236569]

>>4236565
Just saying they're "shitty" without explaining in what way they could be improved isn't very useful either. That's not critique that's just crabbing

[Anonymous No.4236572]

>>4236569
Be my guest. Care to explain?

[Anonymous No.4236575]

>>4236572
Even if it's just "the face of the bearded guy on the left looks like it's melting" it's more informative and useful to the artist because it tells him what to focus on.

"It's shit" doesn't help him improve in anyway which is the purpose of critique.

[Anonymous No.4236578]

>>4236569
>>4236565
Nah it's fine if there's nothing to explain, I knew I was getting risky posting outside of /beg/. >>4236575 wait I had never noticed that, nice. Now I'll try to do something good before this thread dies

[Anonymous No.4236584]

>>4236575
You know you've just also said something ambiguous and useless, you might as well just call it for what it is a pile of shit. You know what else you could of said? Read the sticky, at least it tells him what to study on. "the face on the left" doesn't help them in anyway either and no focusing on specifics is not any better the entire piece is fundamentally flawed.

>y-you're just a crab! Snibbety snab x-D
We were all treated the same way and referred to the sticky once upon a time and we figured it out on our own use your fucking head and put two and two together. He needs to make his own observations instead of somebody spoon feeding him he won't learn shit if someone holds his hand. Stop coddling him.

[Anonymous No.4236593]

>>4236584
>"the face on the left" doesn't help them in anyway
That's true the drawing is at that level where the most useful thing would be to redline it. It was just an example. Of course redlining takes effort and exposes your own weaknesses which is why you're not going to do it.

[Anonymous No.4237128]

>>4235909
>>4235912
why couldn't this guy just keep drawing cute tomboy demon girls instead of traps and shota?

[Anonymous No.4237146]

>>4236575
>"It's shit" doesn't help him improve in anyway which is the purpose of critique.
but it is easier, quicker and more satisfying to say "it's shit" I mean most people are only here to insult others because that makes them feel better about themselves.

[Anonymous No.4237150]

>>4236584
If everyone had the same alpha mentality as you we would still be living in caves.

[Anonymous No.4237152]

>>4235564
I might be retarded. I thought at first she had shoes on her hands

[Anonymous No.4237160]

>>4236566
I know synecdoche is a digital artist, so you'll probably have an easier time if you're practicing with digital. Ink and wash is very difficult and takes a lot practice. You can always just use ink, and for greyscale use screentones. Someone in this thread has already mentioned Jim Lee - look up David Finch and watch some of his YouTube videos, he's a penciler when it comes to his comics - and has others ink for him, but his sketching and rendering helps create solid form, beautiful texture and fluid, dynamic linework.

[Anonymous No.4237167]

>>4236566
Do markers count? OPM has quite the grayscale.

[Anonymous No.4237172]

>>4235912
Still prefer the sketch. Sketches always have better economy of forms due to how fast theyre done. For example look at the shoulder in the sketch it has more of a for to it you can clearly make out the shoulder blade and angle of the shoulder. Final render its a soft blobby mess that lost the sketche's design feeling

[Anonymous No.4237198]

>>4237172
Yeah it's because he had nice subtle shifts in tone in his pencil work and he just shit ink all over it.

[Anonymous No.4237217]

>>4235992
depends who is saying it. if its a non-artist, they can fuck off, cos theyre seeing shit in the sketch that isnt there.

[Anonymous No.4237218]

>>4235456
>sketch looks promising
>"finished" work look like step 2 without next 10 steps
oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.4237226]

>>4237217
>cos theyre seeing shit in the sketch that isnt there.
that's what art is. they're probably right either way, get your head out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.4237228]

>>4237217
It's always the non-artists that prefer the full finished piece

[Anonymous No.4237230]

>>4235456
>>4235460
>>4235501
so when are the master mangaka on /ic/ going to step up and show us how the lineart should have looked? everything you need is here.
>>4235544

[Anonymous No.4237232]

>>4237226
>get your head out of your ass.
no. i stand by my ass-ertion. never show anything but the piece that best matches your vision to the public.

[Anonymous No.4237239]

>>4236540
Aren’t those different artists? I though it was a similar situation to one punch man where they bring in an artist to polish it for the unwashed masses, except the author isn’t a /beg/, he just doesn’t give a shit because he saved shouldn’t jump from bankruptcy.
Is also unironically soul vs soulless

[Anonymous No.4237247]

>>4237239
best part is the left got published in jump

[Anonymous No.4237264]

>>4237239
I know this might come as a shock to you but commercially published Manga is usually a group effort (depending on how famous it is). The basic panels and sketches are usually (but not always) done by the Mangaka and then assistants or even occasionally hired specialists that can range from a few to several people that actually spend time grinding out the fine details. It is a huge amount of work because there are strict deadlines (and theoretically also quality controls) that need to be met. And that is not even attending meetings with the publisher daily who are butting the workflow every week asking you change something because their ratings show it will sell better with those changes which then mess up the story and forces everyone to redo entire pages they already produced.

[Anonymous No.4237266]

>>4237230
>hey mr chinese comic man, pls show us your wip
>no they suck (laughs)
>plssss, so we can learn what unfinished manga look like
>ok, to teach
> /elsewhere/ wow, this guy sucks at finishing his work
weebs are preeetty fucking rude.
pyw.

[Anonymous No.4237267]

>>4237230
Its weird because the hair have different roots between the finished version and the rough version. There are also a lot of details that wasn't follow up upon in the final version for some reason, even though judging by the sketch they seem to understand what they were, like the bangs, but flatten it out for the final version, I don't know why that is. The color selections are also very washed out and flat... I wonder if their screen is being calibrate correctly, maybe its actually darker and more vibrant on the ones that they are working on.

[Anonymous No.4237278]

>>4237264
No, nigger, I mean the left is an entirely different publication. It’s not a sketch, it’s the actual manga. The right is the tank where they bring in people to redraw it so they can sell it to the average pleb.
Just like ONE’s OPM webcomic isn’t a sketch for the manga, the manga is a redraw for the lowest common denominator market.

[Anonymous No.4237288]

>>4237230

[Anonymous No.4237290]

>>4237267
>washed out and flat..
is the story a dream sequence or something? if the rest of the doujin isnt coloured it could just be they dont colour much, and tried avoiding oversaturation but went too far. and changing the lines to account for colour detail, but the light colours working completely against that idea.
maybe there was a time crunch to get it done before a certain con.

[Anonymous No.4237316]

>>4237267
>>4237288
i like these.

[Anonymous No.4237329]

>>4237266
why has she got piss in her hair, are you colorblind?

[Anonymous No.4237354]

>>4237329
piss doesnt stay yellow in hair, it soaks in.

[Anonymous No.4237396]

>>4237354
Weak piss game detected

[Anonymous No.4237408]

>>4237266
>>4237267
>>4237288
Why does it look so western now? Not trying to start shit, I could never figure out why non-asians paint/draw anime so differently.

[Anonymous No.4237418]

>>4237408
>Why does it look so western now?
Because it’s not shit.

[Anonymous No.4237420]

Oof, /ic/ is a cesspool

[Anonymous No.4237422]

>>4237420
took you long enough

[Anonymous No.4237441]

>>4236054

High quality bait.

[Anonymous No.4237474]

>>4237408
im chinese you ass

[Anonymous No.4237480]

>>4237474
Chinks are the burgers of rice

[Anonymous No.4237520]

>>4237230
This is now an inking practice thread

[Anonymous No.4237549]

>>4237520
Why you giving em gorilla arms?

[Anonymous No.4237576]

>>4237230

[Anonymous No.4237602]

>>4235739
No, more 'artists' need to know when they are decent at sketching but shit at rendering, because they're trying too hard to control how they're rendering and not letting things progress in an appealing manner.

[Anonymous No.4237605]

>>4237576
We have a winner!

[Anonymous No.4237610]

>>4237549
I thought the arms looked to short in the draft, especially since they're moving forward in space. So this looks more correct? and thanks anon I would have never caught that.

[Anonymous No.4237612]

>>4237576
much better

[Anonymous No.4237614]

>>4237576
>>4237610
Finally some good ones.

[Anonymous No.4237631]

>>4235456 i kind lile more the sketch, the expression on their faces look better

[Anonymous No.4237658]

>>4237278
You said are they different artists and NO, they're not. And NO it's nothing like OPM. OPM is a webcomic that is being redrawn by another artist, with consulting by the original mangaka.

Hunter x Hunter on the left is what was drawn for the weekly publication while the right was redrawn (by the same artist) for the actual tankoban release

[Anonymous No.4237665]

>>4237408
Well, it does not offend me. My friends on komica occasionally say the same thing. Regardless whether I'm asian of not, I am kind of interested in if you based on your assertion on some sort of observable aesthetic characteristic or something that came from your instinct.

[Anonymous No.4238001]

This is my life anons

[Anonymous No.4238029]

>>4236184
(You)

[Anonymous No.4238033]

>>4236078
Is zooming in for inking bad? I’ve noticed my lines look like shit on a technical level when I do it, like I have size jitter on, or they’re extra uneven and pixelated

[Anonymous No.4238035]

>>4237239
Both done by the same guy (granted the right probably had assistants working on it as well).
Togashi is a very good artist, but he’s known for occasionally submitting rushed scribbles into Jump from time to time.

[Anonymous No.4238341]

>>4237152
I read your post then expanded the image

>"wait, if these aren't shoes, what are they supposed to be?"
>zoom in 100%
>oh... wait a second

[Anonymous No.4238345]

>>4235484
Putting down base colors with a few shades doesnt make them render monkies lol

[Anonymous No.4238353]

>>4235904
Kringle, You are one ugly girl. You never finish anything and cant even bother to bring things half way. You dont capture movement, proportion with any of the charaters you draw. You are the definition of muh style. Stay in your little /dad/ circle jerk.

[Anonymous No.4238411]

>>4238033
No zooming in is good. If it's pixelated you need a bigger canvas.

[Anonymous No.4238456]

>>4238353
>being this offended by someone/'s tendencies
sasuga

[Anonymous No.4238481]

>>4237230

[Anonymous No.4238544]

>>4237520
id like to see rendering too.

its fair that you do the inks with intention to render if you want it compared to the original.

[Anonymous No.4238548]

>>4238544
Man I've been taking so much time out for just inking this already y'all want it rendered too? Fuck.

[Anonymous No.4238642]

>>4237418
imagine believing this

[Anonymous No.4238656]

>>4237408
ask this anon >>4237576

[Anonymous No.4238817]

>>4238548
not on yours specifically. id like to see it without the underlay of the sketch.

[Anonymous No.4238952]

>>4238001
Why does it look like shit and progressively look worse

[Anonymous No.4238958]

>>4238001
Drop the airbrush retard

[Anonymous No.4238962]

>>4238656
I was also called western sometimes anon. I think it's about the subtleness. Despite looking simple, anime is very subtle, while "western" anime is too bold, from the lineart to the rendering, therefore they look like shit.

[Anonymous No.4238990]

>>4238962
I hate people like you because you're right in what you say, but you're wrong on everything else, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.4238996]

>>4238962
Maybe it's because the way japan does it is backwards and kind of wrong and the way the west does it is grounded in traditional fundamentals and is "technically" correct.

[Anonymous No.4239001]

>>4238990
I don't get it?

[Anonymous No.4239002]

>>4237408
Honestly, it's the lack of fundamentals behind the work that has a lot of that effect. Western stuff just looks like they're copying anime styles like a 10 year old kid with one of those bad "how to draw anime" books, not understanding the realistic anatomy or simple 3D forms that go into it. Westerners seem to have the idea that you don't need fundamentals to do stylized work, and in Japan they seem to understand that concept much better.

Plus I feel like westerners idea of anime can be a little different from Japan's in the first place. I've heard people call Avatar the last Airbender "anime style" listed right along with Miyazaki movies. So the influences are pretty different too.

[Anonymous No.4239004]

>>4238996
You've got it backwards. Not that those people don't exist in Japan but in my experience, the majority of Japanese study their fundies and the majority of westerners don't.

[Anonymous No.4239016]

>>4239002
>I feel like westerners idea of anime can be a little different from Japan's in the first place
I think this one is the most correct. Westerners draw something that looks almost anime but misses the mark completely and then they rationalize the differences in their own drawings as their own unique "style".

[Anonymous No.4239042]

>>4238548
>y'all
End your life right this moment, you piece of shit!

[Anonymous No.4239044]

>>4238962
Who did you copy this time?

[Anonymous No.4239046]

>>4239042
damn it!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.4239047]

>>4239044
Pyw or gtfo crab

[Anonymous No.4239049]

>>4239047
Answer my question first.

[Anonymous No.4239051]

>>4239042
Fuck you yankee trash. I live breathe and eat Texas. End yourself for not being part of the best state in the USA.

[Anonymous No.4239055]

>>4239051
A state that lost the Civil War kek

[Anonymous No.4239058]

[Anonymous No.4239060]

>>4239055
Texas is the only Confederate State that was never invaded by the North. Texas didn’t “lose” it was those other cucks that screwed it up.

[Anonymous No.4239061]

>>4239058
oh look, it's that faggot obsessed with norasuko again.

[Anonymous No.4239062]

>>4239061
:(

[Anonymous No.4239089]

>>4235768
>>4235842
Tell that to fucking Repin paintings

That's it, you're just shit at rendering

[Anonymous No.4239091]

>>4239058
The facial structure in the left panel is much better in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.4239102]

>>4239089
And do you have any examples of preliminary sketches or studies alongside his work?

[Anonymous No.4239107]

>>4235768
>someone once said
oh no

[Anonymous No.4239121]

>>4239055
We can secede from the USA whenever we want, you know. That was our only condition for joining. Can your pansy-ass state become a country whenever they want? Nope. Texas was playing the long game while y'all dummies were playing the short game. Really speaks to how smart y'all were lmao. Texas master race

[Anonymous No.4239128]

>>4239102
Sure, this one's from cossacks

If Repin spends an hour on a piece, you can see an hour of his greatness in it. If he spends a month, you can see a month.
Spend less time drawing unfinished sketches, finish more pieces and maybe you'll close that gap

[Anonymous No.4239133]

>>4239128
>Spend less time drawing unfinished sketches, finish more pieces and maybe you'll close that gap
/ic/ never wants to do this but it would help all of you so much more than only doing unfinished studies and never following a piece through until the end. It's like nobody knows how to finish a drawing here even if they do get good at things like anatomy or fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.4239139]

>>4235456
Really shows how bad rendering can totally ruin a good sketch

[Anonymous No.4239295]

>>4238952
It's a god damn gift
>>4238958
Good point

[Anonymous No.4239326]

>>4239004
Please sort by newest on pixiv. Shitty artists are everywhere, you just get to see the good ones getting transported to western websites

[Anonymous No.4239342]

>>4239133
im working on it, mom

[Anonymous No.4239365]

>>4235981
bro when you realize someone is trolling just say


XD


and move on

[Anonymous No.4239375]

>>4235704
it's because sketches are less boring to look at

[Anonymous No.4241228]

>>4235456
This picture is still in progress but its the only thing I really have atm

[Anonymous No.4241255]

>>4241228
>stiff pose
>those eyes
>that rendering
>that shitty gesture
are you that faggot "emily" or should i say rush. your shit hasnt changed in the last 2-3 years.

[Anonymous No.4241264]

>>4241228
I hate the way you block out the head almost as much as the generic open mouth anime face you made out of it.

[Anonymous No.4241276]

>>4235909
>>4235912
qt girls

[Anonymous No.4241284]

>>4241255
Who the fuck is emily

[Anonymous No.4241289]

>>4241255
>>4241264
nice same fagging

[Anonymous No.4241290]

>>4241228
I recognize the shitty pixel brush and the fact that you cant draw hands and feet still

[Anonymous No.4241293]

>>4238481
I think you should be more mindful of the texture of your handing, anonfriend. The random hatching on her hair gives it a rough and scratchy appearance.

[Anonymous No.4241296]

>>4241290
I'm not sure why you're posting your work, anon. I didn't ask

[Anonymous No.4241299]

>>4241296
nice try, but i know your shitty hands and eyes anywhere.

[Anonymous No.4241305]

>>4241299
Sorry, but I'm not whoever this artist is, lol.
The only thing similar is that we both draw modern anime art style

[Anonymous No.4241320]

>>4241255
>>4241299
I know who you're talking about and they don't render legs like that

[Anonymous No.4241332]

>>4241255
>>4241264
>>4241290
God I hope im good enough to one day have seething faggots like you shit on me on /ic/.

[Anonymous No.4241342]

>>4241228
I like the middle a lot more than how you're rendering it. Though it might seem generic, I like it.

[Anonymous No.4241349]

>>4241342
What makes you like the middle more? I think the colors are really muddy and ugly there

[Anonymous No.4241353]

>>4241349
It stylistically meshes well and the whole drawing comes together better.

[Anonymous No.4241368]

>>4241332
If this shit is what you call “good enough” well be sorry for yourself that you wont even accomplish repulsive weeaboo trash.

[Anonymous No.4241412]

>>4241368
Yaaaaaaas cope queen

[Anonymous No.4241434]

>>4239121
>unironically believing this lie
Look up the Texas v. White supreme court case, and then feel free to cry over it during your bbq incest hick parties.

[Anonymous No.4241464]

>>4241434
>bbq incest hick parties
this sounds fun. where do i sign up?

[Anonymous No.4241535]

>>4241228
I'll have you know that I'm a tad disappointed you traded out the polkadots. I still love your work though.

[Anonymous No.4241541]

>>4237128
Because fuck you I want my fetishes drawn too.

[Anonymous No.4241604]

>>4241332
My definition of making it is now having crabs on /ic/ obsess over me like that, it's kind of a testiment of skill when people are so emotionally invested in putting you down.

[Anonymous No.4241610]

>>4241368
>muh objective dogma
>from an """artist""" of all people
kys, autist.

[Anonymous No.4241662]

>>4241228
Based for making everyone seeth for practically no reason

[Anonymous No.4241681]

>>4241368
t. guy at skill level of pic related

[Anonymous No.4241686]

>>4241228
looks good, disregard the other jelly cucks

[Anonymous No.4241944]

>>4235608
>decent
ROFL, he's a fucking master of the craft. Stop acting so high and mighty, you absolute crab.

[Anonymous No.4241979]

>>4241681
Could you imagine ragging on a literal who when you draw like pic related

[Anonymous No.4242100]

>>4241228
great stuff anon, love the rendering on the hair and the pose looks great.
I liked the dot leggings but that's just a taste thing

[Anonymous No.4242166]

>>4241332
>>4241604
>>4241662
>>4241686

Thanks anons. This is my first time really posting on here so I was a little off put

>>4241535
>>4242100
Is this better? I thought the polk-a-dots looked a little weird rendered. Also thank you for the kind comments :)

[Anonymous No.4242187]

>>4242166
Definitely cuter, and with this piece I'd go for cute over sexy anyways.

[Anonymous No.4242201]

>>4242166
This is actually pretty cute and you were able to nail the anime art style pretty well,though I preferred the red scarf

[Anonymous No.4242220]

>>4242166
For real, why does she have a steamy pussy
But it is genuinely great you should finish rendering her clothes

[Anonymous No.4242251]

>>4242187
>>4242201
>>4242220
Thank you anons :)
The scarf was originally going to be orange, but the client asked me to change it to blue

[Anonymous No.4242286]

>>4242166
I love them. Very cute polka dots. Thanks for the efforts senpai.

[Anonymous No.4242973]

>>4241228
hello im the real "emily",,,,,soz for random hate i legit dont know whos that guy but i think your work is super cute!!

[Anonymous No.4242981]

>>4242973
Thank you ^^
Your work is cute! Do you have a blog?

[Anonymous No.4243239]

>>4242166
What brush do you use for lineart?

[Anonymous No.4243581]

>>4243239
Here I used "Dense pencil" ^^ but I duplicated the layer 2 or three times

[Anonymous No.4243598]

>>4235947
i really dont understand why their abs stop at that point, they go basically up to the base of the chest in most people, i know its meant to be the ribcage, but it still confuses me, are they holding a vacuum pose or something?

[Anonymous No.4243605]

>>4243598
I think it's a stylization of abs+oblique+serratus. Check pic related for example.

[Anonymous No.4243614]

>>4237160
i still prefer the original desu, the shading wave it a sense of atmosphere and it not being evenly shaded also gave the illusion of bounce light

[Anonymous No.4243690]

>>4239016
what's the trick then? I constantly feel like there's something off when i draw anime heads, i can't comprehend it

[Anonymous No.4243717]

>>4243598
>are they holding a vacuum pose or something
yes plus bridgman

[Anonymous No.4243734]

>>4243690
Not same anon but In general, I think Westerners are just not surrounded by specifically Anime illustrators. Most westener's only point of reference are screenshots from anime, which is often very rushed or sometimes sloppy drawings. In japan Anime has a big staple in japanese pop culture. And places likes pixiv are good resources if you wanna get good at drawing anime art. The west has little to zero effective books on drawing anime, because there is no genuine demand other than young children who want those kinds of books. So if you want to get good, you will have to look at japanese books and analyze some japanese artists you really like. There isn't really any other special trick, IMO.

Look at speed paints, ”メイキング” is a good term to use. Trace over other anime drawings, and really look at how these artists draw. Grinding fundies helps, but you will realize that a lot of japanese artists aren't /that/ amazing at fundamentals. Unironically, just draw and experiment.... lol

I'm the anon that drew >>4242166 , and I think I am pretty good at capturing the anime art style aesthetic. So I will list some things I have learned from studying:

>Lineart is really thin. Most of the time it is textured pencil brush. On 300 dpi I use about 3-5 pixel sized brush) This also means that because they are so thin, a few artists just don't color their linework
>When Item's are touching/intersecting there are breaks in the lineart. Be very careful though.
>When constructing faces, I find that starting with a circle and putting the baseline where the eyes will be basically at the bottom of the circle helps a lot.
>Shadows can have up to 2 "layers" of darkness if that makes sense.
>In general, rendering has been very wishywashy, some artists render a lot, and some dont. but one thing I have noticed is that "blushing" is used almost everywhere. (where you lightly airbrush specific areas.)
I have a few more but my comment is too long lol.

[Anonymous No.4243745]

>>4243734
>Some artists use hard round brush, but the ones I follow use a solid brush and blur edges. Arguably the ones that use hard round are not perfectionists when it comes to rendering fabric.
>Hair has two "highlights" one main highlight thats brighter and a slight reflective light above it, where the color may be blue or something like that
>Lightly airbrush Skintone shadow at the edges of the bangs
>Sometimes skintones have two layers of shadows too. The first layer being a red/orangey blush color and the second being more desaturated and darker.

and thats pretty much all I know at the moment. Take what you will with this information

[Anonymous No.4243763]

>>4236540
>almost fucking die drawing YYH for Jump
>get Jump by the legal balls for your next big manga because they tried to work you into the fucking grave making comics for them
>give them trash sketches to print in their overly-demanding weekly release
>tell them you'll fix it in the tankobon

Togashi is the GOAT.

[Anonymous No.4243873]

>>4243734

i already did some studies from a japanese book on heads from different angles. studying these basic schemes helped me out a lot on getting the animeish vibes just because of using landmarks, to a point i just symbol draw some parts sometimes. what's funny is that these don't look off, but the parts i try to draw with a more fundamental approach look weird

[Anonymous No.4243968]

>>4238001
no point in doing construction if you just throw it out the window in the final product

[Anonymous No.4243983]

>>4242166
>>4242973
>they're not actually the same person
W-what.

[Anonymous No.4243987]

>>4243983
their work looks nothing alike lmfao

[Anonymous No.4243998]

>>4243987
>tfw not just a ngmi now but also blind
N-no, this can't true.

[Anonymous No.4244402]

>>4237278
Oh my god you are so impossibly fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.4245551]

>>4241944
(checked)
I wasn't crabbing, you faggot. I admire the guy and think he's fucking amazing.

[Anonymous No.4245566]

>>4235912
>IMG_2716.jpg
wait..

[Anonymous No.4246223]

>>4241228
why is her vagina steaming

[Anonymous No.4246264]

>>4246223
that pussy b boilin

[Anonymous No.4246409]

>>4245566
>IMG_2716.jpg
oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.4246426]

>>4237408
This, if your not japanese pls just stop drawing anime, you are better at drawing steven universe style stuff.

[Anonymous No.4246444]

>>4246426
No.

[Anonymous No.4246517]

>>4235456
complete the background you lazy slob
no your thicc gf characters are not interesting enough
work harder
奴隷

[Anonymous No.4246667]

>>4236547
Flip the image.

[Anonymous No.4247474]

>>4235456
> tfw draw like a retard but paint like a pro

I have the exact opposite problem, no life in sketches and everything gets sorted in the painting process, this way paintings have fresh energy. This made my life shit because 90% of concept art work is done in the sketch and you never have time to paint.

[Anonymous No.4248979]

>>4235988
the right was cleaned up and much of the centuries-detailed work has lost.

[Anonymous No.4249137]

>>4243734
>>4242166
>>4241228
Any blog?

[Anonymous No.4249188]

>>4235951
Why do some pencilers even try when their stuff is going to be ruined by bad digital ink and coloring

Pic related, probably my favorite comic art. The one time I went to search for the originals because it was clear the drawings were badass but the final art was iffy

[Anonymous No.4249190]

>>4249188
final version

[Anonymous No.4249198]

>>4249190

[Anonymous No.4249199]

>>4249198

[Anonymous No.4249342]

R8

[Anonymous No.4249345]

>>4249342

[Anonymous No.4249367]

>>4249342
Why so many lines?

[Anonymous No.4249371]

>>4249345
>>4249367
>forgot to post the rest
after looks preddy good. Especially in the thumbnail.

[Anonymous No.4249382]

>>4249345
Stop being lazy and finish your drawing.

[Anonymous No.4249437]

>>4249198
>>4249188
soul
>>4249190
>>4249199
didney worl

[Anonymous No.4249472]

>>4239051
based east Texas bro. it’s beautiful here

[Anonymous No.4249506]

>>4235456
If you like those kinds of pics OP you should look for Krenz Cushart

[Anonymous No.4249606]

>>4241255
thats defo not emily get ur eyes checked

[Anonymous No.4249708]

>>4237230
>>4237520
Challenge accepted qwq

[Anonymous No.4249710]

>>4249708
no hatching

[Anonymous No.4250024]

>>4249708
Very nice.

[Anonymous No.4250235]

>>4250024
thank you!

[Anonymous No.4250386]

>>4249382
it's a study

[Anonymous No.4250393]

>>4250386
I don't care, finish it

[Anonymous No.4250521]

>>4250393
>>4250386
Damn that's actually very reinforcing, I like that.

[Anonymous No.4250568]

>>4249190
All that definition drowned out by a shitty inker. How is this guy a professional? This is what you’re told not to do. Are there any publishers that don’t touch the pencils and just color over them?

[Anonymous No.4251790]

>>4249367
For accuracy since I'm not good at transferring measurements. I did this measurements as what I see without the help of the computer grid but my imaginary grid.
>>4249371
That's the target I tried to achieve :)
>>4249382
>>4250393
I-It's already finished, anon. I'm trying to apply this newfound knowledge to paint on my own drawings. I'll do another study again so d-don't worry.
Pic related is side by side comparison. The original's to the left and mine's to the right.

[Anonymous No.4251927]

>>4250568
They left Esad Ribic's pencils alone for Thor God Of Thunder. Just threw the colors on top, worked pretty well imo.

[Anonymous No.4252004]

>>4249199
Seeing shit like this makes me glad most manga aren't colored

[Anonymous No.4252056]

>>4251790
Good study

[Anonymous No.4252063]

>>4252004
Honestly I prefer black and white over colors. With manga you get to see nice lines and good uses of tones and hatchings. The west fucked themselves over with coloring from the start and having it be a necessary requirement. Colors are for normalfags without any appreciation for good art. As long as they see pretty colors they're satisfied

[Anonymous No.4252580]

>>4249137
@seesaw_yt

[Anonymous No.4253083]

>>4238035
>Togashi is a very good artist, but he’s known for occasionally submitting anything into Jump from time to time.
fixed

>>4239326
desu nowadays pixiv is infested with weebs for whom dA wasn't Japanese enough
But your point stands, even back in early 2010s I found like 1 good art in 10, and even stuff I liked has some issues

>>4249188
I love Brett Booth's pencils, but the colourists he picks make me want to tear my eyes out

[Anonymous No.4253087]

>>4252063
Pretty colors and colorful monochrome > basic ass black and shit.

Seriously fuck you manga tards.

[Anonymous No.4253125]

>>4239002
>>4239016
yeah no, at that point it's not anime anymore but a westerner rendition of some pseudo asian cartoon.
Also
>not japanese
>not anime

>>4242166
>>4243734
copying moe blob eyes on a tumblr drawing doesn't make it anime anon

[Anonymous No.4253347]

>>4249506
Krenz looks like he just pulls magic out of his ass. Also post the Ruan Jia one if you have it.

[Anonymous No.4253572]

>>4237576
This is prove that drawing is a iterative process; There is always room for improvement.

[Anonymous No.4253961]

>>4235813
>why bother finishing it
Idk, to get better at rendering?
The more you finish your scetches the better you get at the final product.
retard

[Anonymous No.4253980]

>>4235460

Cope. Post your work.

>>4235473
Same goes for you.

[Anonymous No.4254255]

>>4238001
top right is good

[Anonymous No.4254712]

>>4253087
Black and white is way easier on the eyes and just makes for a better reading experience.

[Anonymous No.4255287]

>>4251927
the issue with modern comic inking is the insistence on completely binary pure black and pure white, look how amazing it can look when the levels of a piece are left alone, it seriously gives a sense of scale by making it seem like its affected by atmospheric perspective

[Anonymous No.4255345]

>>4253125
Why are you talking? You don't know what Anime is

[Anonymous No.4256647]

>>4251927
I'm pretty sure that with the implied force that Thor used to hammer the giant in the chin, the mjonir would just pierce the skin and muscle instead of making it seem that it was punched DESU

[Anonymous No.4256674]

>>4235456

[Anonymous No.4258767]

>>4235632
Source?

[Anonymous No.4259167]

>>4241276
>girls

[Anonymous No.4259177]

>>4251927
I love how the pencil lines convey scale.
Because the giant has so much texture on him it makes each of those surfaces feel so much bigger.

[Anonymous No.4259179]

>>4254712
I think mangaka should experiment with color, I think you could make interesting statments and enhance the impact of storytelling if some pages were black and white, some have a bit of color, and others to be full color.

[Anonymous No.4259229]

>>4245566
>>4246409
Can somebody explain the refrence to me?

[Anonymous No.4261424]

>>4241228
Wow so much seething.

[Anonymous No.4262429]

Something I worked on like 8 months ago, but its the only real before and after I have saved

was for an animation

[Anonymous No.4262446]

>>4262429
How do I make progress animations like this?

[Anonymous No.4262453]

>>4262446
uh, I did it a really stupid way by erasing everything in layers and then undoing and saving it as an image as I undid the erasing lmao

[Anonymous No.4262792]

>>4259179
Some webcomics does this like Musou Telepathy. And also Akebi-Chan sometimes uses color, and they look wonderful.

[Anonymous No.4262793]

>>4262792
Akebi Shilling warning

[Anonymous No.4262796]

>>4262793

[Anonymous No.4264953]

>>4236548
>>4236547
fuck,that looks bad

[Anonymous No.4264992]

>>4251927
This is so fucking awesome