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Why is skill level of this board so low? Is it because good artists leave it once they get good or is it attracting mentally impaired people who can't improve? I mean being around you doesn't help anyone grow, honestly. I don't mind beginners because I was a beginner myself at some point but it is bad when the whole board is about beginners.

>> No.4226033

>>4226030
>I was a beginner myself at some point but it is bad when the whole board is about beginners.
Post your work. Polite sage.

>> No.4226035

>>4226030
I really don't think you know what constitutes what a 'beginner' is.

If you go to /int/ or even /beg/ there are people with skill levels higher than the average of any equivilent site (tumblr, deviantart etc)

I think your perception of what a beginner is may be warped.

>> No.4226047

>>4226030
Good artists seldom post their works, they mostly talk.

>> No.4226052

>>4226030
/ic/ objectively produces better quality artists than those you'd see on twitter, tumblr, instagram, etc.
It's one of the only places besides Artstation where the users are autistically dedicated to their craft and really strive to git gud.

>> No.4226053

>>4226052
No, they're just autistic.

>> No.4226059

>>4226053
Some of the anons posting in /draw/ and /int/ seem pretty skilled, but I'll agree they're by no means the majority.

>> No.4226062

>>4226052
Nice bait.

>> No.4226064

>>4226059
I disagree, if you compare /ic/ from what it was before Tumblr and Plebbit came along and spread its cancer it is a former shell of itself. You get to a point where you ask yourself why do you keep coming back here.

>> No.4226074

>>4226047
They don't talk either :)
They just laugh at the strugglers and keep comments to themselves so they never improve.

>> No.4226076

>>4226052
Lmao, cope more, faggot. /ic/ is barely even better than deviantart at this point.

>> No.4226089

>>4226076
But deviantart artists don't have access to, or even know about, the resources posted in the sticky.

>> No.4226092

>>4226089
No, but they have soul.

>> No.4226094

>>4226030
If you post good stuff 40% of what you get is beg trying to give you advices on stuff they have no idea about, 30% "blog?", 20% trolls and the 10% left is actual valuable critiqs.
So its not worth posting also considering the fact that you get your name associated with this trashy website.

Its a good board for beginners tho, there is really good ressources and people know in general how to study the fundamuntals. I'm glad I had it when I started.

For people who are almost pro level but still student my best advice if you want good critiqs is to find someone that is the same level as you (but propably struggle in different areas) message them and make friend with them so you can mutually critique each others.

>> No.4226097

>>4226030
You should leave since it sucks so much.

>> No.4226098

>>4226030
Which can be posted more frequently shitty 15min-1hr studies or 20-40hr finished pieces?

>> No.4226101

>>4226089
Yea, and the majority of the board is still fucking garbage. That’s really saying something.

>> No.4226104

>>4226074
skitzo scum retard
If you genuinely think the basic common sense advice the higher artists here give is to deceive you, you likely don't have the head to make it past /beg/
pathetic

>> No.4226108

>>4226030
It's both

>> No.4226109

>>4226030
Actual artists don't want to hang around with random/begs/. They have social circles full of other artists and often work at studios/in entertainment where theres plenty of artists available to talk to, give critique and exchange advice. They don't need a place like this unless they just want to shitpost in which case they don't post work.

>> No.4226110

>>4226094
>the 10% left is actual valuable critiqs.
You'd be lucky to even get 10% tbqh

>> No.4226111

>>4226089
Those resources dont matter if you dont make use of them
stop claiming credit for actual people who scan that shit, at the same time, stop trying to act like you contributed to someone's growth you fucking vicarious living weasal

>> No.4226113

>>4226111
You don't know me nigga

>> No.4226115

>>4226113
No one knows you you dumb cunt

>> No.4226116

>>4226115
That's the whole point of being anonymous. So stop acting like you do.

>> No.4226120

>>4226097
That’s good advice from here. Just take the resources from here and leave this place.

>> No.4226123

>>4226116
No shit fuck for brains, I'm going off your retarded comment >>4226089, acting like youre a part of some ELITE GROUP, get over yourself

>> No.4226128

>>4226123
You seem upset. I never stated to be "elite," but if that's what you want to imagine, then you do you.
Feel free to stay mad at your perceived idea of me.

>> No.4226132

>>4226128
>pft deviantart? they dont have ALL THE BOOKS WE HAVE, THEY CANT POSSIBLY BE BETTER, WE HAVE EVERYTHING YET WE STILL FUCKING SUCK
Yeah i dont know how anyone could have gleaned an elitist from that

>> No.4226146

Advice for anyone reading this or posting work here. Stop.

The last thing you want showing up on the first page of results for your pseudonym is 4chan threads on /ic/.

That's why pros aren't posting here.

>> No.4226150

>>4226146
I'm black and bisexual, I'm thinking I'm gonna make it. Also pros don't post here because they already made it.

>> No.4226153

>>4226150
>I'm black and bisexual
Does that really help that much? I thought those identities don't actually matter unless you pump out some commie propaganda on top of that.

>> No.4226170

>>4226153
>commiefornia hollywood won't give a gay poc person a job because they asked
LMAO

>> No.4226189

>>4226094
Who cares about being associated with this website? Would you really want your name, deep down, being associated with hugboxes like Tumblr or Twitter? No you don't want to. You want a honest fanbase that matches you. Enough of playing a wholesome persona for asspats. 4chan community is big enough to give you commissions so why would you care?

>> No.4226202

>>4226094
>>4226097
>>4226101
>>4226109
>>4226146
Anons here really hate this place. I don't quite get it, I see amazing artists in the self-promotion threads and in /beg/ or /int/, and game developers never had any problems where their works would show up in /agdg/ or /v/. Where else can you go to get critiques and improve yourself besides here and the dead conceptart.org forums?

>> No.4226214

>>4226089
>>4226101
As much as I hate /ic/ faggots I have to come in their defense here. Let's do the math.

There's 3-4 hundred posters on this board and around 500 more lurkers. Among the garbage, you can find ~20 people who are legit good at their craft.
To find 20 similarly good people on deviantArt, you'd have to search maybe 2000 random accounts.
/ic/'s trash to skill conversion rate is relatively high considering literally anyone can post here

>>4226202
Set up a local study group or contact someone at your local art school, e-mail your favorite artists and ask for a few words of wisdom.
As far as internet communities go, you're fucked.
If nothing else, /ic/ gave me an environment where you learn not to be so far up your own arse and listen to every bit of criticism because you never know if there's not a master on the other side

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>>4226030
There has been an unironic increase in good artists overall in /ic/; in the draw threads, alt, and porn.

PYW (but I know you won't)

>> No.4226219

>>4226214
>Set up a local study group or contact someone at your local art school, e-mail your favorite artists and ask for a few words of wisdom. I guess emailing my favorite artist is a choice.
I don't really live in a country where they have any of this, my only choice is online honestly.
>If nothing else, /ic/ gave me an environment where you learn not to be so far up your own arse and listen to every bit of criticism because you never know if there's not a master on the other side
That's it's strongest point because nowhere else do I see this. I'm just weirded out by how many here hate this place even though it has so many resources and people to ask feedback from.

>> No.4226221

>>4226219
*I guess emailing my favorite artist is a choice.
didn't mean to greentext this

>> No.4226227
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4226227

>>4226219
It's self-deprecating fags trying to invade and shit up boards.

Look at /fit/ and /v/, with their "this place was always shit" mindset, how much on-topic discussion is actually there?
Compare that with /a/, /a/nons fucking love their board and will vehemently fight back against the above sentiment. The board is filled with new TLs, /a/ groups picking stuff up, and anons talking about Anime and Manga.

When the general populace accepts that the place is shit, it's easier to derail threads and shit up the board

>> No.4226247

>>4226227
It's partly because artists in general are horrible people. Petty, jealous, cruel. It's because they're weak in the real world, so they want to at least taste a tiny bit of power over someone here.

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>>4226030
>Is it because good artists leave
my theory is they all saw this hunk and went off on a long trek around the world to find his perfect bod in person and lick it.

>> No.4226329

>>4226189
Because half of the people here looks seriously retarded and I dont want to be assiociated with those. Twitter and tumblr are fine in comparison ,there is a lot of proffesionals there. Also I don't aim/work for commissions but the illustration/concept art industry here.

>> No.4226335

>tfw no beefy bf on the left to cuddle with
why even live

>> No.4226347

>>4226030
I think people leave once they get good yeah. When I was learning computer programming, I posted on a shitton of forums. Once I got to a pro level I quit posting entirely.
The cool thing about programming and other STEM fields though is that there actually are active forums where people discuss professional-level topics. I don't think that's really true for drawing though. The closest thing seems to be Artstation blogs, which are cool but they're not very interactive.

>> No.4226353

>>4226189
Holy shit you are brain dead, not surprised, since you’re autistic.
>>4226329
Based

>> No.4226354

>>4226030
P Y W
Y
W

>> No.4226357

>>4226217
>>4226354
If the guy post his work here and his work is shit, wouldn’t that fuck prove his fucking point.

>> No.4226358

>>4226357
*?

>> No.4226372

>>4226094
I would have to agree with this.

>> No.4226423

>>4226357
It won't prove anything other than him not actually done any kind of drawing and is just being a whiny bitch who shitposts for (You)s.

>> No.4226469

>>4226214
That’s a huge fucking lie and you know it. I went on deviations and as soon as I click it, the first 30-50 are better than the majority of /ic/. Fucking christ the anons here are so delusional.

>> No.4226500

>>4226469
Aren't deviations a highlight reel of the whole site? So that's 50 pieces out of 1.5 million users.

>> No.4226517

>>4226500
That doesn’t matter anon. When like only 10% of the board is decent, compare to deviant art’s 20-40%.

>> No.4226617

You become what you consume, therefore you get bad by associating with bad people. A couple months ago I received discord friends invites from roughly 10 or more people. The worst thing about that is they were all /beg/ and interacting with them was pointless. If this is all this board has to offer, then its really harmful.

>> No.4226631

>>4226059
/int/ has cool artists, but that whole thread is the dumbest thing ever
i don't think there are two people on the whole planet who could agree on what point someone becomes /int/ and not /beg/

>> No.4226644
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>>4226030
The overall level of /ic/ is so low is because it isnt a board for artists, its for art fundamentals nerds. Good artists just draw and learn on with time and experience, they dont spend 4 hours daily drawing loomis heads or whatever shit is being shilled on this board, so they simply have nothing to look for here. Succesful artists are on social media posting their work and following other people. You dont have to believe me, just look for any stories from succesful digital artists about their "grinding" and "Studies" or whatever. You won't find any

>> No.4226651

>>4226517
>compare to deviant art’s 20-40%
Gave me a chuckle.

>> No.4226750

>>4226617
>>4226644
post your work

>> No.4226774

>>4226030

Yes when you get good you leave this shit hole.

Why? Because there is a cancerous culture here that don't get what being good is. You got shitty threads like tower girls and many others, disgusting art drawn and painted solely to fulfil a sexual desire, by lonely cumdumps who have zero ambition with their work.

You don't just have to get better as an artist, part of that is maturing and realising that your artwork has more scope than being a cumdump.

BEING associated with this board is like having your reputation as an artist slammed into pig mud and and strapped into a public shitting receptacle.

Yes I'm a decent artist. No I won't post my art because I don't want the former happening to me.

This place used to be pretty awesome, now it's just a cancerous despot of autistic screechers.

>> No.4226775

>>4226030
Low skill level isn't a problem in and of itself. 4chan is an anonymous image board, and by design it has a very low threshold for participation. This naturally invites low-effort and unqualified posts. This also lowers incentive for skilled artists to post their work here; being anonymous is the opposite of what they need. That doesn't mean there aren't skilled artists here. They are in control of their level of participation.

4chan values open forum and ease of use over quality. Its history is communal rather than individual. Everything is working as it should. A rhetorical, passive-aggressive, useless post like your own would probably be stricken and land you a ban at other art community. You know why you're here.

>> No.4226792

>>4226644
Ask me how i know youre a beg. The "successful artists" youre referring to didn't get to that level without hundreds of hours of practice.

>> No.4226827

>>4226792
yup exactly what i said. Practice.
Practice = drawing, creating original content.
Practice =/= obsessing over weird art fundamentals books and courses nobody outside this board ever heard of

>> No.4226837

>thread about skill level
>no one posts work

inb4 pyw

>> No.4226915

>>4226030
>/ic/ attracts losers
ooooooorrr...
>4chan attracts losers and /ic/ happens to be what you'd expect from a board on a site full of losers

>> No.4226938

>>4226827
Even fucking Da Vinci used to study to draw better.

>> No.4226951

>>4226150
Same here, half black and bisexual. I pretend to be fully gay though online though because im more magnetic that way. I even have the whole flamboyant persona thing going on, women love it. Actually, i've never really had female friends until I started pretending to be gay, it's great. You should try it.

>> No.4227157

>>4226837
pyw

>> No.4227160

>>4226951
Women hate attractive gay men but love those that are good "friends". If you are gay and loved by women, they don't see you as equal.

>> No.4227166

>>4227160
Why specificly attractive ones? Do they think they'll steal the straight men?

>> No.4227169

>>4227166
No, they hate what they can't get and it hurts their pride to be rejected by a man because he's gay.

>> No.4227286

>>4226774
>This place used to be pretty awesome, now it's just a cancerous despot of autistic screechers.
For someone who hates being here you sure love to whine about it.

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>>4226837
That's probably the biggest issue this board has besides the rampant faggotry, the femcels, the shitposting, the ironic shitposting, the betaorbiting, the attention whoring and the frog posting all amount to nothing compared to this single issue of not posting your own work on an artwork and critique board. Imagine how much better quality the board would have if we posted our work, you shouldn't have an excuse for not having at least an opened canvas with a sketch or something if you're posting here. Just post whatever it is you have on canvas while you're posting it is that simple it doesn't matter if it is unfinished or not.

>> No.4227317

>>4227296
people do post their works in the generals tho

>> No.4227320

An awful lot of no works posted in this thread.

>> No.4227322

>>4227317
But that's under the condition of receiving potential feedback or critique, posting your work unconditionally during an argument or when you post something completely retarded would probably make you think twice before you post unless you genuinely mean it.

>> No.4227357

>>4227322
Posting your work to win an internet argument is the dumbest shit imaginable you can do here
Show me the amount of times posting your work actually worked, they'll either shit on it anyways or leave

>> No.4227365

>>4227357
I've noticed that most of the times they just leave and not say a word ending the retarded argument. That's the whole point.

>> No.4227369

>>4226202
I don't hate /ic/, wouldn't be here if I did. It's the best public art community right now which isn't saying much.

>> No.4227503

>>4227369
Best public art community in terms of what? If you say art, then you’re delusional as fuck.

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>>4227157
pic rel

I think the reason the board is perceived as low skill is because the amount of time someone spends here is inversely related to how good they are. When I knew very little I was on here every day, now I check in once or twice a month. And at that, I'm not even that good, so I imagine serious pros drop by like once a year for kicks.

>> No.4227710

>>4226030
Low compared to?

>> No.4227891

Mods and janitors practically abandoned this place. Within the past 2 years it's gone to more shit. People don't want to deal with most of the shit that's here, I know I don't. Assorted serial autistic posters like Jimmy, Brian, illustrat, nazispammers, clearly /pol/ bait threads, off-topic threads that should be deleted, request thread, non-questions that are procrastinating just drawing, judge my drawing/shit that should be in the stupid questions thread instead of its own thread, social media drama. Delete this and you'd be left with like 5-6 pages of threads. Some of those threads are gone but still barely any mod presence here at all which means the board stagnates. The sticky is immensely outdated.

I browse a select few threads that tend to be up and are good resources. Once you've grabbed all the artbooks and stuff you need then there isn't much reason to stay. It's largely a waste of time. There are some good artists, there's good info to be had. There aren't any other places that are good to talk about art publicly so you're left with the best of the worst.