Proko

[The Dude No.4208443]

I'm here for quite some time and from what I see you guys really hate Proko. I don't understand it at all. Most of the hate is caused by his persona during podcasts. Why? Draftsman podcast is really good because there is a "dynamic/chemistry" between Stan and Marshal. It is true that Proko tends to rephrase Mashals sentences to make them sound simpler (that often makes them more difficult to understand), but that's really a minor issue.
Because of that podcast people tend to just hate everything Proko related.
His art (personal preference, i don't care about that part much) and even his courses/video tutorials.
Isn't he one of the best tutors out there? He is known far and wide because of them. I don't think there is anyone who does it in more pleasant/normal way.
Is there something that i cannot see in them, that is wrong? Is there anything bad he teaches?

TLDR: Why do you hate Stan so much?

[Anonymous No.4208450]

Funny story
Before I learned who he is, I saw mentions of "Proko" and to me it kinda sounded Japanese so I assumed it was some anime twittard artist possibly girl aged 16-18
So it was really funny when I found out it's a middle aged Ukrainian man named Prokopenko
Foreigners might not understand but shortening old-ass surname like Prokopenko into Proko is contrasting like cowboys and ninjas lmao I fucking can't stop giggling

[Anonymus No.4208451]

Its 4:18 AM Stan. Go get some sleep.

[Anonymous No.4208453]

>>4208443
hello proko marketing team.

[Anonymous No.4208456]

>>4208443
>pay attention to Proko, remember this name
Go suck a dick or something, shill.

[Anonymus No.4208457]

>>4208451
>>4208453
>>4208456
its double (maybe even tripple) bait. dont ever reply to proko threats ever

[Anonymous No.4208475]

>>4208443

[Anonymous No.4208480]

People used to love proko on this board until the fetus kangaroo happened. It was literally overnight that the hate came because people realized he had a /beg/ tier imagination. That being said I still love you Stan keep working hard to improve your art and imagination please

[Anonymous No.4208485]

>>4208480
Can someone post that pic? I am curious.

[Anonymous No.4208493]

i like the dynamic when it actually works especially when Proko gets SONNED but there are some podcasts just as new as in oct 22 where Proko just creates awkwardness and thinks its The Office tier funny (its not) and Marshall looks on like he's with a mental invalid. that was cringe and i couldn't finish that vid.

[Anonymous No.4208503]

>>4208443
No we don't hate proko, we hate ourselves and we hate drawing from reference. I speak for /ic/.

[Anonymous No.4208506]

>>4208475
kek

[Anonymous No.4208524]

>>4208503
I second this, speaking for myself.

[Anonymous No.4208584]

>>4208485
You know what we're talking about, Stan

[Anonymous No.4208612]

stan please dedicate a whole podcast to anime

[Anonymous No.4208707]

>>4208443
/ic/ secretly sees a part of themselves in Proko, so it's easier to project and shit on him.

People here will try to rationalize all sorts of complex and smart reasons of why they hate him, but it's really as simple, primitive and oogabooga as that.

He showed a weak side of him once, so people stopped seeing him as an authority figure and started to perceive him more as "one of us", making it easier to shit on him.

[Anonymous No.4208720]

>>4208443
Because he's happy and successful, the exact opposite of ic

[Anonymous No.4208745]

>>4208443
It's mostly the kangaroo fetus debacle. A lot of people were (and still are) sold on the narrative that if you just work really hard on getting a classical education in perspective and anatomy and you do lots of gesture drawings and charcoal studies of nyde figures, then it'll be EASY to automatically draw cute animu waifus from imagination, and the kangaroo thing was very clear empirical proof from a professional artist that that wasn't the case. So people felt sort of cheated by the whole Proko approach to art and art education.
Even beyond the kangaroo though he's just a mediocre artist in general. Even his paintings that he's most proud of are mediocre, see the thread about his wood chopping painting from a little while ago. He doesn't seem to have much passion or a message to communicate in his art, he's just a normie who decided to become an artist one day.

[Anonymous No.4208747]

>>4208745
At the end of the day he is a business man first and an artist second. And he's by the looks of it a pretty succesful one in the field of art.

[Anonymous No.4208783]

>>4208747
I agree, he is a businessman first, and he is successful at that. But that doesn't say much about the quality of his art, except maybe indirectly. In fact, doesn't it reflect poorly on his art? When he was getting serious about art in high school, do you think he said to himself "wow I can't wait to be an art businessman!" If he was a better artist then maybe he'd still be an artist rather than a businessman.

[Anonymous No.4208816]

>>4208783
Well, I agree. But I think sometimes it gets neglected on this board that there are a lot of interdisciplinary career paths where being a good artist is secondary to other skill sets. Most young artists probably start out wanting to be the greatest draftsman/painter in the world but as you mature you may realize you have other strengths that you should play to.

[Anonymus No.4208846]

>>4208480
fuck off kojimbo. your /game/ is shit.

[Anonymous No.4208867]

>proko thread
>nobody posted the puppy comic yet

[Anonymus No.4208877]

>>4208867
fuck off proko

[Anonymous No.4208904]

>>4208867
>polyGUNS!

[Anonymous No.4208921]

ahhahahahhahhahhahahahahaha

*inhale*
*exhale*
*inhale*

ahhahahahahhaah look at the background

[Anonymous No.4208929]

>>4208443
Even my art professor at my community college hates him. He says Prokos videos are good but his persona is just awful

[Anonymous No.4208939]

>>4208443
This is 4chan. A lot here are contrarian and fancy themselves important, cultured or superior for liking underappreciated obscure things. You're not special like mommy and daddy said if you like the same things everybody else does. Also his personality is a little smug but I see a hard working man who takes pride in what he does and made a name for himself. Crabs are the mortal enemies of hard work and when they find a figure that embodies that they take issue.

[Anonymous No.4208952]

>>4208939
ok proko

[Anonymous No.4208963]

>>4208952
snip snip

[Anonymous No.4208966]

>>4208443
we don't actually hate him, it's just bants

[Anonymous No.4209236]

>>4208921
honest question, what's wrong with the background?

[Anonymous No.4209245]

>>4208443
>pobrany plik
fucking polish

[Anonymous No.4209246]

>>4209236
it looks like a backdrop which it probably was and he just painted it lmao cause he can't imagine a fucking blurry field and mountains

[Anonymous No.4209455]

It's funny how you guys hate on Jazza and Proko when all of your favorite artists probably learned most of what they know from them.

[Anonymous No.4209463]

>>4209455
wow lol

[Anonymous No.4209756]

>>4209455
bait is bait

[Anonymous No.4209770]

>>4208612
this x1000000

[Anonymous No.4209777]

>>4208450
Haha! A knee slapper this one! Here take my gold!!!

[Anonymous No.4209792]

>>4209621

[Anonymous No.4210002]

>>4208921

I see a guy sitting on the throne in the sky, am I doing right, padre?

[Anonymous No.4210055]

>>4208921
>simple yet believable background to not distract from the subject
What's the problem here?

[Anonymous No.4210065]

The smug baby too

[Anonymous No.4210067]

>>4210065
this took him 4 days to draw?

[Anonymous No.4210075]

>>4210067
I dunno if the 4 days mean that or the age of the baby

[Anonymous No.4210091]

I like him and his classes to be honest, having his weaknesses shown off just makes him more relatable to me. Also all of the awkwardness of his podcast is very entertaining too haha.

He's providing some solid value to the community, what's not to like? And the quality of his work isn't like those low level retards on udemy or some shit. But I think maybe having worked on the same framework of copying shit made him a copying machine and he needs to work on his memory drawing and imagination drawing skills.

[Anonymous No.4210103]

>>4210067
It obviously didn’t take him 100 hours to do

[Anonymous No.4210142]

>>4210065
>make whole career about teaching construction and anatomy
>cant into construction and symbol draws features flat as a pancake

hmm??

[Anonymous No.4210169]

>>4210065
death stranding 2

[Anonymous No.4210174]

>>4210142
What features are flat and how is this not done with construction? Clearly you’re better than proko so I’d like to hear your detailed reasoning other than “just look at it!”...

[Anonymous No.4210177]

>>4210174
Are you joking?

[Anonymous No.4210179]

>>4210174
the mouth is completely straight on but the rest of the face is turned to the right (babys left)

[Anonymous No.4210182]

>>4208921
Post the edit

[Anonymous No.4210218]

>>4210177
>>4210179
That doesn’t explain how the features are flat or not constructed. There’s no teeth on newborn babies and the cheeks are very plump and loose therefore not much structure to keep the lips facing perfectly with the other features . Try again

[Anonymous No.4210221]

>>4210218
NGMI

[Anonymous No.4210249]

>>4210221
Keep up the good effort bro

[Anonymous No.4210253]

>>4210065
4 days? Sounds bullshit considering this shit probably took like half an hour.

[Anonymous No.4210274]

>>4210067
>>4210253
It means the kid is 4 days old

[Anonymous No.4210421]

>>4209463
>>4209756
Cope harder, crabs.

[Anonymous No.4210438]

>>4208450
Oh my lol hahah!

[Anonymous No.4210444]

So just to make things clear, is he good for learning how to draw? I don't care about creativity, that is not something I expect to learn from YouTube.

[Anonymous No.4210452]

>>4210444
Proko has great ressources and learning videos. Most of us are just making fun of him for that drawing from imagination debacle and his weird sense of humor.

[Anonymous No.4210510]

>>4208443
I like Proko, his tutorials are helping me a lot

[Anonymous No.4210524]

>>4210452
>>4210510
stfu proko you cunt

[Anonymous No.4210525]

>>4210444
No.

[Anonymous No.4210566]

>>4210524
I'm not fucking proko you crazy nigger, his tutorials are good for beginners, did all the shitposting get to your brain?

[Anonymous No.4210578]

He's a fucking goober and the worst part about Draftsman

[Anonymous No.4210644]

>>4210566
go fuck you're dog in the mouth prokunt

[Anonymous No.4210703]

>>4208443
I don't hate him, I just don't respect much of what he does or see much value in it. He teaches lessons in drawing that he doesn't use personally or can't apply; he's only regurgitating stuff that the audience thinks they need/should hear. Things he's actually good at aren't mysteries to any well-studied artist, and they have little application to beginners who dream of animating, designing, and so forth.

Proko is the art equivalent of new media bloggers who paraphrase the news and ask a rhetorical question at the end. He's the Buzzfeed of art tutoring: over-valued, unoriginal, with an out-sized reach not commensurate with his actual contributions. We can keep applauding his business acumen, but the Arts Institute seems like a successful business too, and we don't have constant arguments over whether those guys are better than the Art Students League of New York.

[Anonymous No.4210742]

>>4208450
>Proko
>Japanese
You don't know much Waponski, do you?

[Anonymous No.4210803]

>>4210742
Is that a new anime?

[Anonymous No.4210892]

>>4210803
no it's a youtuber

[Anonymous No.4211017]

>>4208443
I dont hate him but I do find him mediocre. It feels like anytime hes communicating with another artist that the other guy simply knows more and its a better person to boot. His stuff is a decent 101 for newbies if they really need video aids but not really past that. At this point I watch his channel to listen to Marshall and get annoyed when proko buts in to spew something stupid while Marshall is telling a story.