/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4207109]

I made this tutorial. Do you find this helpful?

[Anonymous No.4207110]

>>4207109
That's a shitty pose. Nobody juts out their hips like that.

[Anonymous No.4207111]

>>4207110
You sure about that? Feels pretty natural to me, she is balancing herself.

[Anonymous No.4207112]

>>4207109
looks like they're gonna fall over

[Anonymous No.4207114]

>>4207112
okay. thanks, I will improve it.

[Anonymous No.4207116]

>>4207109
i mean it's fine i guess. It's more of an example than a tutorial though, you didn't really use the model's natural line of action you just made your own and then adapted the reference to it.

[Anonymous No.4207118]

>>4207114
Oh I thought that was intentional to have it be more alive. She doesn't feel like falling over but catching herself before falling imo.
>>4207112
>they
You know what gender is portrayed here.

[Anonymous No.4207121]

>>4207111
You're a coomer, what do you know about real women?

[Anonymous No.4207130]

>>4207109

it's a good principle but your example is shitty

[Anonymous No.4207134]

>>4207118
>>they
>You know what gender is portrayed here.
Oh you have no idea.

[Anonymous No.4207135]

This is an edit i just made.
>>4207116
>you didn't really use the model's natural line of action you just made your own and then adapted the reference to it.
That's true. I wanted it to feel more unified and graceful. I feel like if I emphasized the natural rythms it may end up looking too high-energy.

[Anonymous No.4207140]

>>4207135
that's much better!

[Anonymous No.4207144]

>>4207134
Kek
>>4207135
Definitely better, I think I can make use of this.

[Anonymous No.4207148]

>>4207135
okay but the originals pose's gesture is already balanced, you took that and made it into a asymmetrical pose, achieving the opposite of what you intended.

im not being a dick just for the sake of it, but it seems like you dont have a strong enough handle on the concept to be trying to teach people, You even write in the image "dont forget to maintain balance" and "wider stance gives a more stable feeling" which are both correct in theory but you didnt execute very noticeably, you even bent the knee inward on the last image, further speeding up the eye and taking away from the sweeping graceful look youre going for.

[Anonymous No.4207169]

>>4207148
While gracefulness/unity can improve the appearance of an image, too much of it can take away from the realism in a physical sense. It's better to sacrifice some grace in order to have the figure look more grounded. I think the second version is better.

[Anonymous No.4207173]

>>4207169
this is babble

[Anonymous No.4207174]

>>4207173
would you like to give an actual argument or are you content using buzzwords?

[Anonymous No.4207180]

>>4207174
by the tone of that post you're just going to get defensive and argue now so im not sure there's much of a point.

[Anonymous No.4207183]

>>4207109
>A tutorial to keep /beg/s under your skill
Yeah, looks good.

[Anonymous No.4207201]

>>4207148
My intention was to show a way to improve the image overall. But I think I get what you're saying. One thing at a time. By Adding those changes it made the tutorial cluttered. Right?

[Anonymous No.4207209]

>>4207109
GUESS WHAT!!!

[Anonymous No.4207236]

>>4207201
no i just think that the tutorial itself as a tutorial is more or less effective at showing what you did but ultimately doesnt impart a great deal of knowledge about the subject at hand either through explanation nor execution. Teaching is a different skillset than doing and the information that a viewer can take away and add to their arsenal of skills is scarce here.
If you're making tutorials you shouldnt go the route of Bridgeman and assume that the reader is at a sufficient skill level to interpret and teach themselves when tackling very basic concepts, you need to over-explain and make sure you're maintaining singular focus on the idea at hand without assuming that your experiential knowledge is shared among your target audience (scaling contextually of course).

[Anonymous No.4207280]

>>4207236
Okay solid points. Will consider what you've said.

[Anonymous No.4207283]

I think you are into something. I will read FORCE series in the future, I think it's related to it.

[Anonymous No.4207338]

>>4207109
>>4207135
The problem is that just isn't the line of action.

[Anonymous No.4207400]

>>4207338
Pyw

[Anonymous No.4207406]

>>4207400
I actually found some stuff that demonstrates the principle.

[Anonymous No.4207408]

>>4207406

[Anonymous No.4207410]

>>4207408

[Anonymous No.4207419]

>>4207109
Friendly advice. Don't ask for /ic/ to critique tutorials. This is a den of analysis paralysis, populated by too many hoarders with terabytes worth of infographs and videos but haven't gotten past the first chapter of a single book. If you are a teacher or people ask you for advice, all that is required of you is an honest demonstration of your own techniques and procedures. If this is it, that's enough.

[Anonymous No.4207425]

>>4207419
Based

[Anonymous No.4207442]

>>4207109
I think is quite helpful.

[Anonymous No.4207489]

>>4207419
This

[Anonymous No.4207493]

>>4207419
>haven't gotten past the first chapter
Hey I've gotten to half the book for some books.

[Anonymous No.4208279]

>>4207410
Good job anon, this is pretty nice.

[Anonymous No.4208282]

>>4207406
>>4207408
>>4207410
>anon actually posts work
>it's pretty good and backs up what he said
Do my eyes deceive me?

[Anonymous No.4209167]

>>4208282
Nay, my child, rejoice.
Haha, thanks.

[Anonymous No.4209185]

>>4207109
I don't get it. Don't stiff poses exist in real life? What's wrong with stiff poses? Why do you have to change it?

[Anonymous No.4209222]

>>4209185
Not OP, but the (poorly demonstrated) point is more about using gesture and line of action to capture the weight of the figure and flow of the muscles through the body. Knowing how to draw lively, dynamic figures full of life is more important and useful, and the untrained artist tends to make things too stiff by default. Yes, stiff poses are real, so are ugly, fucked up faces, but you learn the ideal face first, then build outwards on that because you need to start with a regular, predictable foundation that is easy to memorize.

[Anonymous No.4209226]

>>4209185
you dont copy, you create. and creation is supposed to be appealing. morevoer, you communicate. so communicating dynamism and expression in an appealing way is something a draughtsman should take into account every time he draws a human figure. when you're in a live drawing class youre not supposed to copy what you see 1:1, thats what cameras are for (and photogaphs create with lighting and composition anyway). youre supposed to show what got your attention, what you consider worthy of exaggaraitng, and hiding what you dont care about.

[Anonymous No.4209250]

>>4209185
Since you're drawing a still image, you want to impart a sense of life and movement into it.

[Anonymous No.4209958]

>>4207109
The problem with these kinds of body flow/line of action tutorial is that they don't actually explain what happens to the body parts when you're following a specific flow.

That's why it's important to understand contrapposto first before telling people you have to follow a specific curve on the whole pose or something.

[Anonymous No.4209963]

>>4207109
What's the point of making a tutorial that's been done a million times before? Just Googling "lines of action" has tons of results for basically the same thing

[Anonymous No.4209966]

>>4207406
>>4207408
>>4207410
>>4207338
>The problem is that just isn't the line of action.
can you elaborate? since you clearly know your shit

[Anonymous No.4209983]

>>4207109
worthless because you don't even consider the distribution of weight in the figure