/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4194071]

What is your opinion on this take, /ic/?

[Anonymous No.4194075]

>>4194071
It's a dumb take

[Anonymous No.4194077]

>>4194071
Willing to bet she's hiding an ugly mug behind that mug.

[Anonymous No.4194078]

All art conveys values and ideas that is the nature of art,but not all art is political.This whole take seems to not be well thought out

[Anonymous No.4194084]

>>4194077
>She

[Anonymous No.4194097]

>>4194071
>>>/pol/
now go away!

[Anonymous No.4194098]

>>4194071
Hey anons, what do you think about the politics behind this picture?

[Anonymous No.4194103]

>>4194071
something a dumb npc would think and say

[Anonymous No.4194111]

>>4194078
What if all values and ideas are political

[Anonymous No.4194112]

>>4194071
politics is control

trying to make art political is trying to control art

[Anonymous No.4194119]

>>4194071
fags like this keep forgetting that no one actually have to deal with their shit

[Anonymous No.4194126]

>>4194071
>deal
dilate lol

[Anonymous No.4194137]

/pol/ please go

[Anonymous No.4194139]

>>4194071
All art is gay. Deal.

[Anonymous No.4194148]

>>4194071

SOME art is political.

The only places where all art is political are authoritarian shitholes.

[Anonymous No.4194153]

Funny how most political "art" ends up completely outdated after few months/years. I wonder why.

[Anonymous No.4194158]

>>4194153
how dare you

[Anonymous No.4194170]

>>4194098
That there is no god to be found in this place to stop you from drawing that.

[Anonymous No.4194172]

>>4194071
Well no, absolutely not. I'd even say what is artistic about political art is never the political part. The political activism bolted on top is usually the stupid part about it that usually just irritates. Over time however the political activism that was weaved into the art fades away and it becomes easier to see it for what it is. It takes time though.

Example: Socialist art. So art was clearly instrumentalized during times of socialism to present the world the beautiful human creativity that the system spawns, how in line even every artist is with the ideals of the regime and to directly illustrate the foundational ideas of socialism. So what they wanted in all art is: High technical standards, no criticism of anything but the West and some illustration of socialist ideals. So you'd see perfectly formed humans with hammers and sickles looking proudly and determined into a bright future, stuff like that.

Now looking back at that art it doesn't mean what it was supposed to mean. We don't see all that obvious political stuff, it has become meaningless. Just like when we look at old portraits of kings and all their opulence, we don't really see what was originally intended. We don't think "Man Henry VIII sure is an amazing man with all this wealth he owns", we see right through it and see a man that tries to present himself as a perfect, masculine leader that is appointed by god himself. We see the insecurities, the greed, the power hunger, but also the dynamics of the system etc. We see the deep truth in that lie. Just like that we look back at socialist realism and see a struggling system, a broken dream, how ideas conflict human nature, no matter how much the idea fights for its existence.

[Anonymous No.4194183]

>>4194071
All art has meaning.
However the death of meaning will occure when people write their own meaning over someone elses work.

[Anonymous No.4194194]

>>4194183
Everyone interprets it differently. It does not take somebody writing it down.

[Anonymous No.4194202]

>>4194071
I think she should drink bleach.

[Anonymous No.4194236]

>>4194071
Art should have some kind of philosophical message, and philosophy of present day issues is inherently tied to politics, she's right. BUT the issue that people have with politics infesting art generally doesn't tend to be against political messages contained within art, but real world politics dictating and influencing what artists are allowed to, or should do. This is all bad, no good can come of it.

There is however a minority of crybabies on the internet who do complain about politics that they don't like in art (where this debate is concerned it's usually right wing or neutral people complaining about left wing political messages) to whom all I can say is that libtards can tell all the political messages they want in media, it's the purpose of art, yes. If you don't like it, don't watch it, but they aren't committing sacrilege.

For me though, problem comes when hamfisted writers with the subtelty of a rhino in ice skates try to obtusely shove political messages down people's throat at the expense of a coherent and enjoyable story. This is especially heinous when they hold a beloved IP hostage and basically shit on its lecacy and transform it into a lefty after-school special, such as star wars for example. Fuck that.

[Anonymous No.4194239]

>>4194172
Brilliant take

[Anonymous No.4194240]

>>4194071
What is my political take on liking to draw hot milfs?

[Anonymous No.4194243]

>>4194071
woah, a fat sassy ugly bitch pushing an agenda?
never saw that one before mate

[Anonymous No.4194255]

Shitty "the personal is political ripoff".

The idea that everything is political comes from putting talking points and what side you belong to before having actual personal values. It's a mistake to let politics be the first way that you process shit

[Anonymous No.4194316]

>>4194097
>>4194137
but all art is political, sooo....

[Anonymous No.4194322]

>>4194071
All art is human but people are forgetting what that means

[Anonymous No.4194329]

>>4194071
Brainlet plebeian-tier opinion by braindead uni kids.
It's really noticeable once you start applying it to random stuff like say the average doodle, japanese NES game art and so on. You quickly have to jump through ad absurdum hoops of "well see Princess Peach actually represents patriarchical gender structures and a support of monarchy"-tier bsing to make any claim to it whatsoever.
It's only being pushed because the next dumb generation of dropout college kids are finding out about the stupid shit pushed by the dumbest generation, the '68 student "left".

[Anonymous No.4194394]

>>4194071
Oh no she’s right. This clearly isn’t a doodle by some Chinese nigga. This represents the oppressive nature of male masculinity and misogyny in the world and how it leaves women worse off.

[Anonymous No.4194424]

>>4194394
>little girl being denied a McDonald's french fry
it's all about corporatism impoverishing new generations you dummy

[Anonymous No.4194440]

>>4194172
>Just like that we look back at socialist realism and see a struggling system, a broken dream, how ideas conflict human nature, no matter how much the idea fights for its existence.
All I can see is naive dreams of great future, and they evoke nostalgia and sadness.
There are ugly as sin buildings though. Lots of them.

[Anonymous No.4194444]

>>4194240
you are objectifying women, you despicable Trump voter!!!11

[Anonymous No.4194463]

>>4194394
Is my thumb short or is her thumb long?

[Anonymous No.4194468]

All art is political in the sense that artists take influence and inspiration from the world and create their own vision. Every artist has a personal sense of appeal and every piece of art was create with some intent in mind. To say that an artist can create work in a void, away from the effects of political actions and policy of their environment is wrong.
Morality is political, religion is political, sex is political. Basically anything that people can disagree on is politics so it's inescapable. This is why yes, technically everything is art.

But that doesn't mean it is GOOD art.

[Anonymous No.4194469]

>>4194071
>you can draw anything in the world
>anything in the world is political
there's no point in arguing

[Anonymous No.4194482]

No, all art should be about the stimulation of the neurons that are directly linked to my dick

[Anonymous No.4194487]

>>4194463
Both.

[Anonymous No.4194525]

>>4194071
Based, liked, retweeted, followed, subscribed and bell notificationed!

[Anonymous No.4194549]

>>4194468
please define "political". You're being so loose with the definition its hard to see any value in the word

[Anonymous No.4194550]

Art becomes meaningless propaganda when it mixes with those people in suits on the tv, or flavor of the month/decade outrage. It is below regard, and equivalent to a naked degenerate wearing a trenchcoat trying to show anyone their genitals for some small illusion of grandeur and control.

It's impotent, cheap, and not worth consideration.

[Anonymous No.4194609]

>>4194111
Not all values and ideas are inherently political.If an art piece conveys the idea of 'children like icecream' or 'fire is scary',it isn't political.Even if you make big stretches to make all ideas poltical,at that point there word 'political' is useless

[Anonymous No.4194664]

>>4194549
>please define "political". You're being so loose with the definition its hard to see any value in the word
Fucking this, gracious. Every time some spews this shit their definition of political is "I can make some vague statement about something else with a bunch of mental gymnastics therefor it's political"

[Anonymous No.4194684]

>>4194071
The problem with political stuff is people always get uptight and respond to it. I never put politics in my art, repost politics, or even comment on it. And I think that's why I have such friendly commissioners and commenters.
Literally just don't pay attention to these posts and you'll have a better life lel.

[Anonymous No.4194687]

>>4194071
>deal
LMAO ok BOOMER
we say "cope" in 2020-1
get on with the time

[Anonymous No.4194692]

>>4194172
based

[Anonymous No.4194693]

>>4194071
papa Schmid would be very mad.

[Anonymous No.4194704]

>>4194071
wrong.

[Anonymous No.4194710]

>>4194172
One of the more intelligent things I've read on /ic/. Very astute, anon.

[Anonymous No.4194720]

>>4194071
ok tranny

[Anonymous No.4194740]

I'm just saying that no artist lives in a void and they will invariably be influenced by their environment which is by human nature is shaped and dictated by the politics around them. How many times have artists accidentally discovered a fetish from the strangest sources?

[Anonymous No.4194779]

>>4194071

[Anonymous No.4194791]

>>4194172
i dont agree with you fully. not all political art aged badly. there are lots of political elements scattered over many paintings that are very subtle and we can still relate to it. Example: "Poor poet' by Spitzweg - the umbrella was a symbol of the middle class back in 19th century; some of the aristocrats even used the umbrellas as a propaganda, they carried them in the streets to show that they care for the poorer middle class. Spitzweg stripped it of the irony. He painted a poor man sitting under an umbrella, living in a crappy attic, but he doesnt look sad or suffering; he's focused on his poem. Beautiful message that still resonates with a whole generation in my opinion.

The major mistake most people in this thread are making is looking only at strictly propaganda art. Give the artists before us some credit, not all of them were hired by someone or controlled by the system. Goya and Menzel basically made fun of artistocrats in front of their faces and they never knew.

But this isnt related to OP's question at all, so, to answer: bullshit. Political art didnt even exist a few centuries ago, all art was made strictly for religious purposes. Neoclassicism and symbolism are the furthest thing from politics I can imagine. Most of avant garde is spiked with politics, with that i can agree, but today its mostly political caricature and pretentious performance/conceptual art. I'd say quite the opposite - the youngest generation of artists want to paint anything but politics.

[Anonymous No.4194817]

>>4194394
>female hand

[Anonymous No.4194855]

>>4194075
Basically this

[Anonymous No.4194878]

All art CAN be read and analysed through a political lens. Should it be? Absolutely not.

[Anonymous No.4194881]

>>4194071
Sometimes a picture of a flower is just a picture of a flower

[Anonymous No.4194894]

>>4194071
Scrump's Law

[Anonymous No.4194906]

>>4194236
>Art should have some kind of philosophical message
Stopped reading there. Fuck outta here.

[Anonymous No.4194923]

>>4194071
Yes, if only because recently there is direct political opposition to the idea of beauty itself. It didn't used to be, everyone used to be able to murder eachother in tribal wars but still appreciate the beauty of eachothers work. Most modern art is a direct political attack on the idea of transcendant beauty that redeems human suffering. Instead it mocks the suffering, or at best is itself a manifestation of suffering with no redemptive values added.

[Anonymous No.4194985]

>>4194779
Is she schizophrenic or something?

[Anonymous No.4194988]

>>4194071
we are discussing twitter now? huh

[Anonymous No.4195003]

>>4194881
But other times a picture of a flower is symbolized and associated with gender roles and cis biases therefore problematic and transphobic. Toe the line on your comparisons, bigtot.

[Anonymous No.4195016]

>>4194071
we call this a bubble

[Anonymous No.4195038]

>>4194071
It depends on your definition of politics. If you only define things like direct statements about how a land should be ruled, or how political figures should act then sure, only Ben Garrison toons count as political and thus the take is bad. But most of twitter progressives see everything as political, for better or worse.
To them, making art about something or having a subject in that art is always in some way support or critique of that thing. To have black characters in a piece is you putting more black characters in media, and is thus you supporting character diversity or black bodies or whatever else your art depicts. Likewise if you were to have a bossman character in a comic act like an asshole then you're furthering the negative stereotype of those at the top of the heirarchy being abuse and capitalism bad and yadda yadda. Theres a whole bunch of other stuff about unintentionally implying things about the real world.

I'm not in support of the latter idea that all art is inherently politcal, but I do think that in the broadest sense depicting something does reinforce that thing in a way, maybe not support in the real world but at least supporting the concept

[Brainlet, I happen to be an ex(...) No.4195117]

>>4194071
> All art is /pol/
If everything is political, then nothing is.

[Anonymous No.4195161]

>>4194071
Bait on a fishing /pol/e.
But no, this is a retarded take used by people who wish to have every piece of media on Earth reflect their political stance. They forgot how to have fun years ago.

[Anonymous No.4195200]

>>4194817
Hi Kira

[Anonymous No.4195241]

Yes and no. I can draw a pairs of fat tits for my own pleasure, I can draw a pair of fat tits to display the beauty of them and breasts in general and I can draw a pair of fat tits to show my support towards body posivity.

Context matters.

[Anonymous No.4195243]

Everything is more or less political. Most things reflect their surroundings or result of others actions. Art falls into the spectrum that interpretation is so loose that everything can be considered political.

[Anonymous No.4195292]

>>4194071
She is retarded and wrong

[Anonymous No.4195295]

Everything is political. Saying "I have not thoughts" is itself a thought. Apathy or refusal to engage in politics can still affect the outcome of politics.

[Anonymous No.4195300]

>>4194817
This nofap November is starting to get ridiculous when even a hand is giving you a goddamn boner that will not go away. This sucks.

[Anonymous No.4195301]

>>4195295
false

[Anonymous No.4195304]

>>4194779
>he paints oranges because white people don't find them threatening
Are they afraid of other fruits? Do asians or africans find oranges threatening?

[Anonymous No.4195317]

>>4194071

just another dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.4195365]

>>4194071
typical jew-marxist indoctrinated take which is the reason why the west can't make anything enjoyable anymore. Nips make things because it looks cool, cute, sexy, etc. while trannies can't make anything without a not-so-subtle political or social message

[Anonymous No.4195424]

>>4194172
Saving this

[Anonymous No.4195430]

>>4194071
commie cunt who looks like a transfaggot

[Anonymous No.4195862]

>>4194071
Identity-politics-virtue-signaling-crap to get the homos to follow/subscribe/donate to their patreon
But, let's say for the sake of the argument that art is political.
Due to the political environment being turned into consumercentric reality tv for news and media to turn a profit with every little things.
Art has become consumercentric as well, trying to pump out any pandering garbage as fast as one can for big profits
Then yeah, art is political.
Thus, art is a joke.
Look at how politically relevant pic related is

[Anonymous No.4195995]

>>4194071
It’s true. Political isn’t a subset of certain topics that are controversial, it’s anything related to the dynamics of power. You can view anything in the context of power including all art. This is why people who ask for something to be less political should instead say they don’t want certain topics involved instead.

[Anonymous No.4196001]

>>4195862
“Look at how politically relevant pic related is”

It’s directly brings up gender politics, how race interacts with it, social dynamics and by virtue of just existing makes statements about things that okay to meme about. It also brings up in a joking sense the idea of fulfillment coming from having a relationship which is heavily political especially today when there are people who unironically argue for policies to be built around ensuring people have gfs/wives.

This is actually one of the more political pieces of art you could post as oppose to most art people post on this board.

[Anonymous No.4196026]

>>4194071
What if you drew a rock?
Is that political?

[Anonymous No.4196065]

Remember that video for Anita Sarkesian giving a lecture on how to be a shit-stirring feminist?

Shesays "everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is problematic and you have to point it out" (or something like that).
So the point is not that everything was done with a political intention, but that everything can be repurposed into a way to get attention and push agendas.

[Anonymous No.4196067]

>>4194071
Politics and porn and pretentiousness aren't art
If a drawing contains any of the things i mentioned, it's not art, it's just an item used to reach disgusting goals.

[Anonymous No.4196080]

It's true.

But left wing antifacist woke twitter stans like the one in OP's pic say that as rebuttal because they get mad when your average joe doesn't want to be reminded for 9000th time that gays, trannies and PoCsand must be catered and pampered to their whims.

[Anonymous No.4196081]

>>4195995
Yes, there is a continuum, but it makes a lot of sense to draw a line. There will of course always be a gray area, but there are

>Pieces that are directly referring to policies and politicians, commenting on or proposing policy
>Pieces that are present a scene in such a judgmental, one-dimensional way, that it simply nails the interpretation down to a political statement
>Actual propaganda pieces, meaning art being actively influenced by political powers to serve a purpose.

If you look at >>4194158 you see a clear example of political art, it literally spells out policy. That is pretty much as extreme as it gets. On the other hand, >>4194791 is barely political. Whatever can be political about this happens in the mind of the audience. You may think "Oh boy that looks comfy af" or you may think "What a pathetic lifestyle". It's up to you, all that painting offers is an observation containing truths, what you do with that is yours to decide.

[Anonymous No.4196109]

>>4196001
Uh, my post backfired,

[Anonymous No.4196115]

I might agree to an extent that it's become increasingly difficult to NOT make some kind of a statement because of so much of politics nowadays revolving around identities and people's physical appearances. Better avoid drawing people entirely if you don't want people to project any kind of political interpretation into it.

[Anonymous No.4196120]

>>4196115
>Better avoid drawing people entirely if you don't want people to project any kind of political interpretation into it.
I'm pretty sure politics will surround even non-people drawings, since politics tends to attach itself to everything that dares to exist
Maybe drawing nothing at all or simply posting blanks might solve the issue
But even then someone will read something into it

[Anonymous No.4196144]

>>4195995
>It’s true. Political isn’t a subset of certain topics that are controversial, it’s anything related to the dynamics of power

Explain the dynamics of power of a still life, a landscape and a portrait.

[Anonymous No.4196157]

>>4194071
She's wrong.
My drawings aren't political, and no twitter screencap can prove otherwise.

[Anonymous No.4196182]

>>4195292
have you seen japan? do you think they're proud that the majority of what they output is designed consumerist tripe?

[Anonymous No.4196187]

>>4195292
aryan dominance over fatness

[Anonymous No.4196195]

>>4194071
Every is political when you're against nature itself, and when the brainworm that is liberalism infects and you can't think like a normal human being anymore. For most people, art is not political when it doesn't have some big challenging message to it, or is a normal part of your life. eg, a picture of a gay couple is political if you see it as promoting diversity or as gay propaganda, and it's not political if it's just everyday life for you.

>>4196144
Portraits are easy. Who is the portrait of? Is it a king or a nobleman? Is it a portrait of Jesus, someone from the Bible, or a figure from myth? Paintings were expensive back then, so having a portrait hung up in your room was an obvious status symbol. In France it was a big deal that Courbet painted ordinary peasants instead of nobles.
As for still lifes, and landscapes, you have to understand the assumptions behind it. We do still lifes because we value beauty, color harmony, artistic skill and fidelity to life (ie, it kinda looks like a photo, which is a "western" idea, by the way). Modern art does not value these things. (Tracey Emin's My Bed) What's normal to you is now a "political" issue.

[Anonymous No.4196211]

>>4194071
> unnaturally coloured hair
> problem glasses
> le sassy mug
Ok boomer.
>>4194236
> Art should have some kind of philosophical message
Spotted a literature teacher.

[Anonymous No.4196216]

>>4196065
That was her making a joke about how she used to act like

[Anonymous No.4196218]

>>4196195
I like modern art but Tracey Emin is garbage.

[Anonymous No.4196225]

>>4194071
she is a radical
a liberal
an intellectual
a criminal

[Anonymous No.4196241]

>>4194609
Except that no art piece ever created will ever just convey a simple statement like that like we live in a vacuum.

Like it or not, you are completely a result of the society you grew up in. Everything you do will always be a result of that and hence can be viewed at from a political angle.

[Anonymous No.4196247]

>>4196195
>Portraits are easy. Who is the portrait of? Is it a king or a nobleman? Is it a portrait of Jesus, someone from the Bible, or a figure from myth? Paintings were expensive back then, so having a portrait hung up in your room was an obvious status symbol. In France it was a big deal that Courbet painted ordinary peasants instead of nobles.

So other than your cherrypicked historical examples, portraits are not political. Got it.

>As for still lifes, and landscapes, you have to understand the assumptions behind it. We do still lifes because we value beauty, color harmony, artistic skill and fidelity to life (ie, it kinda looks like a photo, which is a "western" idea, by the way).

None of that is political.

[Anonymous No.4196268]

>>4196182
a very productive society will turn consumeristic by default

[Anonymous No.4196275]

>>4194071
Yes. Art, music, literature, anything you talk will be political. Everyone is influenced by his environment: society, morals and political views. And it shows (even if it happens subconsciously) in everything we do or say. This is common sense. But where I see the problem is that people use this phrase to excuse or justify obvious political propaganda (mostly (far) left and right wing) and try to normalize this.

[Anonymous No.4196277]

>>4196216
So?
Regardless of whether or not she applies this modus operandi, it describes t he modus operandi of some people (including her past self), which explains this kind of phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.4196280]

>>4196241
Citizens have responded to the closed off circle of clowns jamming political messages into escapism. Said clowns are suffering numerous financial losses as citizens reject your attempts to shape and steer your hot mess.

Your arts' political statements and messaging have been very clear and very simple for us to understand, and reject as a result. As it has been simple for independents to introduce stories customers are interested in buying.

Sometimes people want superheroes to band together in face of an invasion, overcoming their differences for the greater. Sometimes people want simple cozy webcomic art and sometimes they'll want cover worthy artwork across every single page of their hardcovers.

It's your failure to grasp this is the reason your controlled industries are on life support from the government.

[Anonymous No.4196283]

>>4196275
Yeah, those cave paintings made by Grug were great examples of deep political views.

[Anonymous No.4196291]

>>4196283
Unironically yes.
It showed most of the things relevant to grug, such as antelopes, mammoths or sabertooths (economics of cavemen) and their organisational form required to interact (hunt) with these things. That is, it reflected the political structure (tribe) of Grug's day-to-day life.

[Anonymous No.4196301]

>pol·i·tics
>/ˈpäləˌtiks/
>noun
>the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.
*plucks feathers* Behold! I've brought you a political statement.

[Anonymous No.4196388]

>>4194071
>>4196301
Reminder that the whole "Everything is political" thing was invented by second-wave radfems as an excuse to shove radical feminism into everything and to shame women who didn't followed the feminist dogma religiously.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_personal_is_political

[Anonymous No.4196405]

>>4196388
There is nothing wrong with 2nd wave feminism. You are mixing blue haired women with actual rights activists.

[Anonymous No.4196417]

>>4196275
If this was true then you could tie certain art styles to a position on the political spectrum. But guess what, you can't.

[Anonymous No.4196429]

>>4194071
that's just an excuse to be an annoying fuck when you see art you don't like because "it's political". It's the intention of the author that makes it political not what you make of it.

[Anonymous No.4196432]

>>4196405
>implying feminists were anything but a supremacy movement to begin with

[Anonymous No.4196537]

>>4196432
===>/your containment board/

[Anonymous No.4196573]

>>4196537
go back to gendercritical, lesbo incel

[Anonymous No.4196597]

>>4196241
I disagree.I'd argue a lot of art conveys simple ideas.For sample,stick man coneys the idea of a man,an almond shape withe a dot is a symbol for an eye

[Anonymous No.4196610]

>>4196405
>There is nothing wrong with 2nd wave feminism.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with an ideology that shames sex workers and disagreeing women and relies on false victim/oppressor dichotomies to function.

[Anonymous No.4196687]

>>4194071
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Anonymous No.4196700]

>>4196687
Cigars are phallic and thus are the tools of the heteronormative patriarchy.
Also if you're a white male and refuse to smoke a cigar then you're a homophobe.

[Anonymous No.4196712]

>>4196610
>sex workers
kys roastie. It's called hookers

[Anonymous No.4196729]

>>4196712
At least it's honest work, bitch.
kys, SWERF scum.

[Anonymous No.4196742]

>>4196610
>Porn Harms
AY YO WHITE BOI IS THAT SOME SLUT-SHAMING IS SEE?
How dare you not allow me to express my homosexuality in public you fucking s()y-ass cracker! Don't you remember the Christians who killed 6 million women who they deemed as 'whores' and also lgbt (and also brown ppl), white people lynching other people like rabid apes is in their DNA, can't believe society still hasn't learned yet! I demand the artist to redraw the comic immediately and pay fo reparations.

#cancelTatsuya

[Anonymous No.4196878]

>>4195292
Dragon Ball is a story about a male hero using violence to solve every single problem in his life. In early dragon ball he sexually harasses bulma on several occassions and is the participant in an arranged marriage. In DBZ he constantly ignores his wife, puts his son's live(s) in danger on multiple occasions, traumatizes his first child due to him witnessing piccolo's death, and he risks the fate of the earth by constantly giving his enemies breathers and handicaps.
DBZ is the textbook definition of "Might Makes Right" and Goku's actions are only justified because he's powerful enough to just dunk on anything that challenges him

[Anonymous No.4196908]

>>4196878
None of your first paragraph is political.
>DBZ is the textbook definition of "Might Makes Right" and Goku's actions are only justified because he's powerful enough to just dunk on anything that challenges him
Uhuh, but DBZ is for entertainment and makes no explicit commentary on what is and isn't correct.

[Anonymous No.4196909]

>>4196878
It's your interpretation that is political. Nothing about Dragonball actually explicitly suggests that it's about real world politics.

[Anonymous No.4197043]

>>4196908
>It's your interpretation that is political. Nothing about Dragonball actually explicitly suggests that it's about real world politics.
You're missing the point. DBZ clearly supports, or atleast reinforces, a certain theory of thought. It doesn't have to be about the real world or endorsing any real world ideology to be political. Politcs is the domain of who controls what and how things should happen. So a story about a godlike martial artist doing what he pleases and enforcing his morals on those he encounters and fights is still political, it just isn't "politics" in the sense of "republican v democrat".
>>4196908
>DBZ is for entertainment and makes no explicit commentary on what is and isn't correct
Using a trope reinforces that trope. Maybe not IRL but it does reinforce it in fiction

[Anonymous No.4197057]

>>4196729
>honest work
Have fun dying of unpronounceable diseases and being used as a cumdump. At least you have no shame.

[Anonymous No.4197063]

>>4194779
I didn't know that all still life painters sent coded messages about which societies they dislike by their treatment of imported fruit, which they definitely have memorised which species are imported vs native! fucking hell

[Anonymous No.4197073]

>>4195300
nofap is for fags, image sauce pls?

[Anonymous No.4197099]

bad take. all politics have an aesthetic dimension though

[Anonymous No.4197113]

I don't think art is inherantly political, but politics in art can be have unlimited layers of irony and sincerity, that, you couldn't map it to any political stance.

[Anonymous No.4197119]

>>4194071
The only thing everything is politics is if you stretch the fuck out of what people mean by politics.

[Anonymous No.4197124]

>>4194071
All art is political but also if you interact w/ all art in that way it pretty much ruins art and honestly everything else.

[Anonymous No.4197125]

can anyone in this thread name ONE thing that isn't political because otherwise this whole "art is always political" means nothing since everything is political anyway

[Anonymous No.4197134]

>>4194071
They are not wrong.

[Anonymous No.4197157]

>>4197043
>Using a trope reinforces that trope
What do you mean by reinforce?

[Anonymous No.4197169]

All art becomes political even if it wasn't meant to be. This is because everyone who sees a piece interprets it differently based on their own life experiences, values, cultural background, etc. This is the basics of semiotics. The signifier and the signified.

[Anonymous No.4197182]

anyone offended by art doesnt deserve to look at any.

thats a better blanket statement.

[Anonymous No.4197195]

>>4197157
As in to place deeper into the zeitgeist and to add more examples to. Sometimes it also means adding depth to the trope if the work is unique or nuanced
>>4197125
>since everything is political anyway
Thats the whole point of the OP take and similar opinions. There is nothing that isn't political. Everything you do supports something and detracts from something else. All the time you spend somewhere is time that isn't spent elsewhere. All the money you spend somewhere is also money that isn't spent elsewhere. All the effort spent supporting things is effort spent not supporting else.
The entire point of the worldview is that you have to be aware of what you're doing because every single decision you make is infinitely more massive than you can perceive.
>>4197182
Nobody is offended. If I say that the sky is blue it doesn't mean I'm mad about the sky being blue

[Anonymous No.4197210]

>>4197195
>Nobody is offended.
christfags are offended by nudity all the time.

[Anonymous No.4197214]

>>4197210
Not all christfags. And there are probably plenty of agnostic/atheistic people that are prudish as all fuck as well

[Anonymous No.4197219]

>>4197214
whomever they are, they dont deserve to look at any art.

[Anonymous No.4197223]

>>4197219
agreed

[Anonymous No.4197267]

>>4197195
>The entire point of the worldview is that you have to be aware of what you're doing because every single decision you make is infinitely more massive than you can perceive.
I agree entirely with that but I don't think what you're talking about can be called politics. It's more like ethics at this point.

[Anonymous No.4197278]

>literal who posts something irrelevant on twitter
>144 replies
you faggots will find any excuse not to draw, huh?

[Anonymous No.4197283]

>>4197214
>Not all christfags
most are christfags though. most movements against nudity in art are organized by them. even here you can't post nudity without making them offended. it's like they're stupid enough not to know that there's a lot of nudity in religious art, specially christian

[Anonymous No.4197341]

>>4196610
>Porn harms
I've never understood this argument.
Porn is just a human expression of sexuality.

[Anonymous No.4197357]

>>4197283
I do not recall many Christian movements, unlike Tumblrinas and SJWs, going out of the doxxing and harass artists who draw bodytype that offend them, and on a mass scale. It's even worse as they've pretty much turned against each other for the slightest offense. Most Christian's don't give a shit (and most are fine with nudes in art, old school pinup styles
and Greco-Roman sculptures). Hell, several I know just laugh off the generic waifu smut. From experience, they don't complain unless its borderline or straight up pornographic.

[Anonymous No.4197401]

>>4197357
Are you aware of text happenings of any year prior to 2010?
Christcucks spent 3 decades (70s - 90s) viciously trying to get anything sexual or violent banned.
There was the satanic panic that attempted to ban anime and DnD, and burned a hell of a lot of vinyl because of accusations of back masking
In the 90s we had the christian-lead attempt to ban Night Trap for being "sexual and violent"
I'm confident there was more that I haven't named

[Anonymous No.4197406]

everything is political, who the fuck cares. a piece of poop on the soil in the middle of africa is political. nothing woke was said, don't know why this thread has so many replies

[Anonymous No.4197433]

>>4197401

Wow, the roles have really fucking reversed.

I am aware of Christian fundamentalism back during those time periods.

For all their faults, they and the Silent Generation were the ones who built of the industries that propelled America after the Second World War.

They were the ones who built the foundations of the technologies you use today. What they conquered, they built up something greater.

SJWs, almost under some sort of spell, have taken the reigns and destroyed virtually everything they have ever touched. All their supposed intelligence is pissed out the fucking window when they are tasked to manage their emotions. I understand it people hit a fucking wall, when you feel like there is nothing left to give. But instead of working to overcome it with the help of their communities, constructive yet firm, they double down into echo chambers.

It makes the attempts to ban Night Trap a damn joke in comparison to the shit y
SJWs had unleashed.

[Anonymous No.4197450]

>>4197433
What is there to build?

Post-war America had so far up to go. Cars had miles and miles of improvements to make. More roads needed to be built. Power lines installed deeper into america. Public transport needed to be built and improved. We needed more cities. So on and so forth. There was an infinite mountain of improvements to climb. It's not hard to direct your efforts towards improving things when literally any effort you make is a magnitude of growth.
Whereas now there isn't much up to go and where you can go up is either already being worked on (A.I is the big one.) or whatever work could be done requires people to directly stand in the way of the economic system that got us here. Example being world hunger: We already have production covered and the only actual issue is no distribution network. The issue is the only people who have a few billion in the bank are hardcore capitalists that have a vested interest in drawing out efforts to build up third world countries for as long as possible.

I don't know if it's right that SJWs lashed out so hard but it sure as shit makes sense that people would move along the path of least resistance. Also let's not forget that for all the great that happened after ww2 it also came with massive social problems, such as the forced destruction of certain ethnic communities, that are still impeding economic and social progress to this day. So any moving forward that happens may possibly include destruction of what is in the way

[Anonymous No.4197455]

>>4194071
To address this damn "everything is political" BS, I'll keep this brief.

The morons who spout this talking point are trying to force the outgroup at the table to play Russian Roulette. The outgroup just wants to hang out at the range.

[Anonymous No.4197456]

>>4197406
I wish more people would see politics as a trap for society to get mad at shit that isn't there. Too many companies have capitalized on emotions using politics to get people to empty their wallets; but whats more concerning is that its become a rabid cult where everyone is too angry to see what the other side has to say as well as label them in extreme ways (which came from both the internet nature but also their behaviors having no direct consequence). Obviously its not for everyone but the internet changes that because of how loose it was (and is still today at in extent).

[Anonymous No.4197486]

>>4197450
>What is there to build

Much. And I guarantee we would have made much more progress solving environmental dilemmas, while China and India clog the skies. We made much progress healing the racial divide prior to the Clinton Administration's mass incarceration policies. And we'd love to build those roads and powerlines. The problem is how are you going to stabilize the tensions that will result from a bunch of people from DC saying, "We're going to send a bunch of people you do not know, propped up under our slave wages, to act according to our will?". It would be catastrophic to an already ailing country.

Most of those "hardcore capitalists" sell socialism to the rest of us because it makes us easy to control. Debt is a powerful tool of control used by the very SJW college institutions you relied on to try to get a degree, to try to get a job. All while profiting off the exploitation of people they import all over the world. SJWs are their drones. Their man baby servants. Their most ardent consumers. The true believers because not for any substance behind their philosophies, but because it is of the least resistance.

You have done nothing for social progress. You have brought hostiles from violent shitholes into peaceful communities from all different walks of life. Your entire philosophy is trying to put these communities against everyone else. You have failed repeatedly to solve the ethnic tensions; you can only distract them with hatred towards yourselves and everything that was built for you. We were all stuck with your mess, now we're going to pull ourselves out of the hole you dug for us.

[Anonymous No.4197642]

>>4194172
>we see right through it and see a man that tries to present himself as a perfect
but that's political in of itself; something something society.

[Anonymous No.4199774]

>>4196218
I agree
>>4196247
>So other than your cherrypicked historical examples, portraits are not political. Got it.
What is your definition of political, then? It has to have Bernie Sanders in it or something? Art used to have a very specific function, before our modern age, where we don't say it amounts to entertainment but it basically is. Art used to be for the church, kings and noblemen. French people painting funerals, peasants and prostitutes said something political. It's not cherry picking.
>None of that is political.
Not choosing to be political (to just grill) is a political act. Especially when it's the norm to do something else.

[Anonymous No.4199797]

>>4199774
I can virtually guarantee you are not interested in art for political reasons.

[Anonymous No.4199806]

>>4194098
bodypositivity-> regressive left

[Anonymous No.4199807]

>>4194071
Ask him why all art is political and does it also mean drawing porn is also a politically motivated act?

[Anonymous No.4199835]

>>4199807
>talking to faggots

[Anonymous No.4199901]

>>4199797
That's irrelevant. Someone's enjoyment of something does not change the properties of that thing

[Anonymous No.4200668]

>>4195301
I played this as a kid and the aesthetics inspired me so much. I owe so much to Patapon.

[Anonymous No.4201074]

>>4196301
She's right in the sense that the reason that these type of people say everything is political is because they want to have power over you and control you. Everything is political to psychopaths.

[Anonymous No.4201083]

All art is not political but people will try to ruin it by insisting there is a subliminal message that no rational person would ever think of.
I remember reading some guy's blog about how he presented a painting of an apple for a MFA critique and his professors asked him things like "have you thought about the person who picked the apple?" Fucking apples man, who knew they could be so deep.

[Anonymous No.4202009]

The statement implies you can bestow objects and concepts with "politics" when in actual fact politics is just a lens, a way of viewing the world, not some concrete concept. Do you know how I know this? Because politics is extremely subjective and not some objective concept like people like to pretend. It's why people are still debating if the Nazi's were socialists, if the USSR was actually a socialist state or just state capitalism and what is fascism. Heck feminists can't even agree if transexuals are actual women. This is why you get these weird situations were leftists try and get offended about a character that the culture it is portraying actually find it pretty cool and inspiring(see speedy Gonzales). It's more accurate to say "Art is literally just a fancy Rorschach test" because in a 100% vacuum free of all cultural and societal social constructs, "art" is just a collection of random materials put into a pattern that the human brain can recognize.