Daily reminder that one of the world's most popular comics started out looking like this. Start your comic.

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Anonymous Fri Oct 18 21:49:01 2019 No.4167182 [Reply] [Original]

Daily reminder that one of the world's most popular comics started out looking like this. Start your comic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 21:53:04 2019 No.4167187 You need to be a good author with interesting stories to pull off a successful manga with poor art, less than a handful of people on the planet truly manage that, the other popular example being ONE.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 22:03:26 2019 No.4167198 I don't see how this is a bad thing. If anything it gives me hope.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 22:04:52 2019 No.4167199 >>4167198 >If anything it gives me hope. That's the point of the OP's post.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 22:07:21 2019 No.4167201 File: 124 KB, 254x255, 1492384906330.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4167182 >tfw i have crippling fear of start big projects

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 22:09:51 2019 No.4167205 >>4167201 Then just do a short comic silly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 22:11:42 2019 No.4167208 >>4167182 id kill to have my comic be at this skill level ive been working on it for 2 years and it looks lightyears worse than this

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 22:23:57 2019 No.4167219 File: 466 KB, 1066x1600, 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it still looks like shit though

Anonymous Fri Oct 18 22:34:05 2019 No.4167229

>>4167182
Yeah no, you posted the guy who admittedly spent years storyboarding instead of drawing and had the entire story planned since chapter 1. Not the most realistic goal when making a comic. And ONE is a master of panellimg storytelling as well.

Point is, you still need to spend a few years practicing SOMETHING to make a good comic, be it drawing or planning a story. No easy route.

Anonymous Fri Oct 18 22:34:53 2019 No.4167230
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>>4167182
The main problem with this is that you have to make up for shit art with 10/10 writting. The type of person who uses the one/AOT meme doesn't feel like they have 10/10 writting. Also it's less you need good art, but more 'art that doesn't look ugly'.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 03:37:15 2019 No.4167511 >>4167182 Its actually amazing, the designs are actually really good though in my opinion, just the page illustrations look like sketches.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 04:44:56 2019 No.4167566 >>4167182 Wow. Batman changed quite a bit!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 04:48:13 2019 No.4167569 >>4167219 dont cherrypick, the new pages are extremely kino

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 04:51:30 2019 No.4167576 >>4167182 huh it still looks like a manga and does what it's supposed to do; tell a story. Also that's not a comic anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 04:52:37 2019 No.4167578 >>4167230 There's gotta be at least a couple doubtful anons here who are competent writers. I'd still suggest making smaller comics just to get into the habit of actually doing it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 04:56:39 2019 No.4167580 >>4167182 I've spent the last few days on a break from drawing to focus on working on my script. Good luck to the rest of you, anons, I believe in you

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 06:33:30 2019 No.4167640 >>4167576 Wtf is a manga if not a japonese comic

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 06:38:27 2019 No.4167645 >>4167182 How do you do those dotted shadings like in the background and on people's faces? I keep seeing them in manga and not sure how they do it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 06:46:56 2019 No.4167655 >>4167645 Look up "screentones".

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 07:04:49 2019 No.4167661 >>4167182 It's always looked and still looks like shit, people like it not for the art.

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 07:20:36 2019 No.4167671
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>>4167182
It's a lot about opportunity. I'm not a weeb and I think manga has its own problems, but in the western world there is no structure in place that says "let's try serializing this new thing in our popular magazine". You can't make pic related today and expect it to get published anywhere or get any traction on the basis that it's original. That's why production value is so important in the west and people are obsessed with making prufeshunal art. You would be surprised to see that a lot of manga have 'bad' art and Japanese people like things that are drawn 'badly' because they actually give a damn about the comics they read. Comics in the west are just dead, there are more comic makers than comic consumers.
>>4167201
Make short stories first. Any mangaka you can name published a bunch of short stories in smaller magazines before they got their big projects serialized.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 07:42:46 2019 No.4167682 >>4167671 >Comics in the west are just dead, there are more comic makers than comic consumers. Where did it all go wrong?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 07:45:50 2019 No.4167684 File: 426 KB, 730x662, 1567601557040.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4167182 Ereh did nothing wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 07:47:57 2019 No.4167685 >>4167182 started off as one of the most popular non -longing running anime* also when the manga came out everyone hated it the only thing carry that shitshow was the story and goddamn was it a good story

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 07:50:29 2019 No.4167688 >>4167685 > the only thing carry that shitshow was the story and goddamn was it a good story So you're telling me that in a story-based medium a title with a good story but mediocre everything else became successful? Unbelievable.

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 07:50:31 2019 No.4167689

>>4167182
I'm still gonna wait. I'm a perfectionist. I wouldn't be able to show anyone art that bad. The art style is something I'm still struggling with. I know what I need but I think I'm gonna need at least another 5 years just for the art style alone

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 07:52:37 2019 No.4167690 >>4167689 Trust me, make short stories and set the big project on the side. You will go on forever getting nothing accomplished if you think like this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 07:55:18 2019 No.4167691 File: 28 KB, 737x1000, flat,1000x1000,075,f.u1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4167182 The top-right panel looks like yaranaika.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 07:56:51 2019 No.4167692 >>4167690 I've already written stuff for years. I know it's the common advice to give people but I seriously don't give a fuck about shorter stories. My first manga is gonna be lengthy so that's that

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 08:42:08 2019 No.4167725

>>4167692
I know man, that's exactly how I felt. But if you can't get a short story done you're not going to write a longer story properly. You're gonna get swamped. It's like practicing running a marathon, no matter what you do you have to run shorter distances first.

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 09:00:46 2019 No.4167740

>>4167725
That's rubbish. The only reason why people say that is because they get over their heads and don't do anything for years. I get shit done. I just know it's gonna take a lot of time to get there. I mean sure if I get a great idea for a short story I can do it but I tend to incorporate them into the long story instead

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 09:08:12 2019 No.4167744

>>4167682
where else. soccer moms and 'comics are the devil!' leading to the comics code, leading to a dumbing down of the available selection, leading to 'comics are for kiddies' stigma, and then dying when video games came along that could tackle subjects that comics stopped touching. though in the late 80s and 90s they started touching those subjects, but to the other end of the spectrum, focusing on adults. leading to 'comics arent /fun/ anymore'.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 09:10:01 2019 No.4167746 >>4167692 writing isnt drawing! dont think its easy to draw pages upon pages of pages. if you are able to draw 100 pages in a year, thats ten years to reach 1000 pages in your story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 09:12:14 2019 No.4167747 >>4167746 I draw plenty. I started in February. It's just that I spent years writing before that so that's what I'm better at

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 09:37:56 2019 No.4167754 I would die of shame if I got popular with art as bad as Attack On Titan's.

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 09:55:03 2019 No.4167766

>>4167740
>I get shit done.
I trust that you do, but how many comics have you actually finished so far? I won't try to convince you any further, but finishing things is a skill. You can't stay in the sketch phase all your life and expect be able to make illustrations, no matter how good you get at sketching.

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 09:57:40 2019 No.4167769
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>>4167747
anon is right though. you should know what youre in for by doing a tiny 10 pager. better than being 10 pages in of your glory project and realising you dont like digital. or you dont like traditional. or you should have kept certain things on certain layers. or the size isnt right for print. etc

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 10:06:07 2019 No.4167777

>>4167769
Obviously I'm gonna practice that kind of stuff as I go along. It's not like I'm gonna go blind into doing it. I just disagree with the whole "do short story first" always approach. The main thing that matters is, are you actually getting results? The big project first just tends to fail because people don't practice. Without practice you get nowhere
>better than being 10 pages in of your glory project and realising you dont like digital. or you dont like traditional. or you should have kept certain things on certain layers. or the size isnt right for print. etc
Yeah I know what you mean

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 10:38:26 2019 No.4167801 >>4167740 >>4167692 >>4167777 I mean it can't hurt to do some short stories though, at least to know you can. Use them to develop smaller aspects of your bigger story if you're really that attached to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 10:40:06 2019 No.4167802 >>4167777 >The main thing that matters is, are you actually getting results? Ok. How many stories have you finished so far?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 10:42:36 2019 No.4167803 >>4167219 are you implying that this looks bad?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 10:48:42 2019 No.4167807 I like the idea of starting with a shorter story. I have a big comic and I was going to do the same thing and just start drawing it but now I think i'll try to do a prequel story first see how it goes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:06:17 2019 No.4167816 >>4167802 Honestly no idea. I leave my stories all over the place and constantly rewrite things. They're all over the place. To think any of them as "complete" is retarded but none of them are yet

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:37:58 2019 No.4167841 >>4167816 Every single person who fantasizes about being a writer does this. Get something done or you will still fantasize 10 years from now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:40:42 2019 No.4167846 File: 32 KB, 232x220, 1571451837484.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4167803 i mean... yeah

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:41:46 2019 No.4167850 How many people who say to do short stories first before doing your big comic actually make short stories, and then do their big comic? I see this advice everywhere, but I can't recall seeing many decent amateur comic artists do it

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:43:10 2019 No.4167854 >>4167841 >Get something done Like I've already said I've been drawing all year now but you always just get dumb shitposts like yours that can't even bother to read

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:45:19 2019 No.4167860 >>4167569 dude, i literally posted the first page from one of the last chapters. how is that cherry picking?

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:46:18 2019 No.4167863

>>4167854
You're not getting anything done. What do you even draw? Are you just grinding loomis heads? Do you think those will help you with that masterpiece? I doubt you're even making roughs for the comics you fantasize about or you would inevitably end up with something finished. But you do you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:49:36 2019 No.4167870 >>4167863 >You're not getting anything done You're talking to yourself

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:50:44 2019 No.4167871

>>4167744
Most of what you have said applies to Japan as well, though. Manga is seen by the general public as cheap entertainment for children or mentally feeble individuals, which is actually the same kind of mindset that led to the creation of the Code. When Moebius died, several mangaka sent their condolences wishing that Japan had a figure like him, which turned comics into serious art and not just a glorified toy. Some jrock dude had pics of his house posted on the net and his library was like 90% manga and many people started mocking him because "real books" were too difficult for him. There's only one Naoki Urasawa in Japan after all.

The problem with american comics is that they give zero power to their creators. You're like the 398472984732895932865983728952th dude drawing Batman, and you are too scared to create something new because you know you're not going to own it, so why take the effort to do so? Better draw a slutty Harley Quinn, since it gives more bucks more easily.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:51:36 2019 No.4167875 >>4167870 What is it that you draw all day?

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:53:21 2019 No.4167879

>>4167871
>Manga is seen by the general public as cheap entertainment for children or mentally feeble individuals
Really? I have never been to Japan but all the sources I know about say that manga is a massive cultural phenomenon. There are manga about everything and even elderly people read them. I think this stigma is restricted to otaku and it has more to do with anime than manga.

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:54:48 2019 No.4167881

>>4167879
That's the problem that some mangaka complain about. On one hand, there's this mean spirit against manga, but at the same time, the government and the media use it as a tool for tourism. They think it's unfair and it's not doing any favors to manga as a cultural expression.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 11:59:41 2019 No.4167891 >>4167881 >a tool for tourism Is there a source for this? I doubt weebs who go to Japan to visit Akihabara are even comparable to the amount of people who go to Japan to see Mr. Fuji, geikos and other traditional stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 12:02:53 2019 No.4167898 >>4167875 Your mom in her underwear

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 12:09:22 2019 No.4167911 >>4167871 There has been backlashes against violence, but it didn't cause near as much damage. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-01-30-mn-30315-story.html Still a massive industry compared to what we have.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 16:46:41 2019 No.4168207 File: 126 KB, 100x100, 1539805060760.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do you eve start? I know what I want to do for chapter 1 but should I write a script first? draw shit first? I haven't written anything before.

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 17:37:29 2019 No.4168287

>>4167891
Japanese authorities have done lists including popular manga as a showcase of japanese pop culture, and while people wanting to see Mt Fuji are still important, the "Cool Japan" thing wanted to get people to notice Japan via manga and anime, although it failed tremendously. One Ministry also did a "Best manga of all time" aimed to attract foreigners. In my country, the japanese govt donated like 50k manga volumes in japanese as an incentive to get to know Japanese culture.

Manga is money for japanese authorities, but that doesn't mean they are going to give it true respect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 17:43:41 2019 No.4168301 >>4167182 >complete amateur >all characters look distinct enough to be differentiated

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 17:50:18 2019 No.4168306 >>4168301 It's low tier mid or high tier beg.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 17:58:58 2019 No.4168323 >>4167229 I dont know about comics, but what's the alternative? Coming up with the story as you draw it? Sounds stupid and amateurish. If you dont have a story to tell then the idea of making a comic is just a daydream.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 18:01:50 2019 No.4168327 >>4167846 looks like ordinary nasal folds to me, what's your point retard?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 18:20:35 2019 No.4168352 >>4168323 >Coming up with the story as you draw it? Sounds stupid and amateurish. It does sound dumb but you'd be surprised at how often this happens, even with successful comics.

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 19:02:53 2019 No.4168391
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>>4168207
>I haven't written anything before
Well that's the thing you need to do. Your story can't develop if you don't write anything down. I've listened to all kinds of self-help books and generally it's all useless and just gets down to "get shit done." Practice writing and drawing every day and think about the story a lot. More ideas will come when you do that

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 19:44:07 2019 No.4168450

>>4168391
This. It also helps if you can talk to someone about your story and get your shit sorted out. They can ask you questions like
>why is character X doing this, that's stupid and doesn't make sense
>how are you pacing the story
>I think doing this instead would help grab the readers' attention
>you can introduce this element here more organically by blah blah blah
Though it is tough to find the right people who are both interested enough and can properly filter your shitty ideas/expand on your good ones.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 02:39:09 2019 No.4168966 >>4167230 Yeah, Isayama and ONE aren't good artists, but they're good comic artists. Their art is rough, but it's functional, which is the most important thing for comic art.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 02:48:57 2019 No.4168976 >>4167871 Are you saying that japanese publishers give creators more power than american publishers?

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 03:09:03 2019 No.4168993

I make comics for a living, I make about 150+ pages a year. This year probably closer to 200.

If you guys wanna start making longer epic comics I'm willing to share some experience, I literally started my comic even before I knew what I really wanted to make, but it still turned into something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 03:13:19 2019 No.4168999 >>4168207 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyW6U2oo6mA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIzJ5IpJE-M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOvEkAVscKY

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 05:08:32 2019 No.4169087 >>4168391 >>4168450 I'll start writing everything then. I have people willing to give feedback so all I need now is to make something they can read. >>4168999 Thanks for these.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 05:12:37 2019 No.4169093 >>4167860 Yes. If it makes my favorite anime look bad then its cherry picking.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 06:31:56 2019 No.4169164 >>4167182 Mangaka is 7 story and 3 art anon. Story can carry shit art like ONE but good art can only carry a train wreck so far

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 11:05:33 2019 No.4169329

>>4168450
>Though it is tough to find the right people who are both interested enough and can properly filter your shitty ideas/expand on your good ones.
lol comic "writers"
>Is this a good start? I want to get the setting across in the first pages while avoiding exposi-
>Your character is CUTE!
>but what about the story, does it-
>CUTE!
>yes but what do you think about the story
>its nice :D
>have you read it at least
>:D
>is the transition from [thing] to [thing] clear enough or should I revise it?
>CUTE :D

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 11:17:16 2019 No.4169339 >>4169164 What are some mangas with magnificent art but let down by shit stories?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 11:19:33 2019 No.4169342 >>4168976 Osamu Tezuka and Katsuhiro Otomo haven't died of starvation, which was the situation Superman's creators were in when Neal Adams started pushing for more creator rights.

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 12:11:29 2019 No.4169392
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>>4169164
>>4169339
Just wanted to say I really, really hope there are no grown men who actually think
>I can't wait to advance the story of my favorite shonen!
I can't imagine adults with any life experience reading 530 volumes of capeshit tier garbage only to get
>ahhh, I have become stronger, the strongerest there is, because
>I realized the real strength is the friends I made along the way
And actually feel some sort of stimulation going on in their brains. That would be embarrassing.

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 13:17:55 2019 No.4169466
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>>4169164
Unironically this.
A manga that looks like this managed to be successful enough to warrant an anime adaptation and sell over a million copies, and the art got better over the run to boot. If a comic that looks like this can be succesful, so can yours so long as your story is actually worth reading

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 13:42:38 2019 No.4169498 >>4169339 sun-ken rock

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 14:20:19 2019 No.4169541 >>4168993 how do you make money? are you happy with your work?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 15:14:05 2019 No.4169629 >>4169498 Sun Ken Rock's story is almost braindead and the art might look good but then you realize the sameface syndrome and how cartoony everyone looks. The women especially, almost all of them look like blow up dolls. It was really disappointing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 15:20:18 2019 No.4169637 >>4169629 i like his work but i have to agree

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 15:27:13 2019 No.4169646 >>4169541 I make money by selling books. And yes I'm very happy, a little overworked but hey, that's how it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 15:38:13 2019 No.4169653 >>4169646 >selling books could you elaborate on that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 16:25:12 2019 No.4169705 >>4169646 Are you the anon who makes the scandinavian kids comic?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 21:51:20 2019 No.4170136 >>4167746 I'd be pretty happy if I were able to get a story out in about ten years honestly

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 23:28:34 2019 No.4170250 >>4168993 What's your rate? I have stories with completed scripts and no time to draw, let alone be at the skill level I want. But, I have money and wondering how much it costs to hire an artist.

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 23:53:41 2019 No.4170271

>>4167578
>There's gotta be at least a couple doubtful anons here who are competent writers.
/lit/ did not care about some cat meme storys I posted but some family members thought it was funny (I'm confident they were not lying to me.) One Anon also liked a story about a prune going on rampage when someone told him prunes are not vegetables.
>I'd still suggest making smaller comics just to get into the habit of actually doing it.
I'm to emotionally damaged. I feel so much shame and anger over being unable to do things. I needed to use my phone's speech to text several times writing the post and got angry enough I throw my phone and cracked the screen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 21 04:09:35 2019 No.4170417 >>4169705 nnnooooo............... yes.

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