/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4109221]

These Chinese artists are on another level
How do they get this good?

inb4 practice. We all practice. What learning resources do they have that we don't

[Anonymous No.4109227]

>>4109221
>We all practice
no you don't. They practice on an entirely different level, plus while starving, taking care of their three siblings, and milking the pigs in the morning

[Anonymous No.4109230]

It's called professional training. Either by access through a school or a mentorship with an established professional. Both of which are accessible in western society. More than anything it comes down to study ethic.

[Anonymous No.4109231]

>>4109221
soulless League of legends fanart. Typical chinese

[Anonymous No.4109259]

>>4109221
Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect. There's a lot more knowledge at play there than just colors and lines.

[Anonymous No.4109263]

>>4109227
>all chinese live in a rural setting with animals running around

amerifat detected

[Anonymous No.4109272]

>>4109221
>soulless chink le epic warrior art
i sleep
>cute anime girl
real shit

[Anonymous No.4109273]

>>4109221
No doubt this painting is good but what's supposed to be unbelievably amazing here that you doubt it was made without secret resources?

It's really detailed which impresses easily but keep in mind that detail just takes a lot of time. Even someone of moderate level could create a really impressive piece by just investing the time. The painting undoubtedly shows skill that was build up over years but I don't see what you think is so impressive that you couldn't do it if you practiced years yourself.

There are some paintings where I definitely think "I could never do this" but here I don't see a single component I couldn't eventually learn.

[Anonymous No.4109275]

There's no secret man. All drawing resources teach the same things, which is Gesture, Form, Lighting, and Color. Aim at the fundamentals, don't try to learn processes or formulas, methods or philosophies. Just go for nature.

[Anonymous No.4109294]

>>4109221
They put in the work. Not hours, work. Yoi can sit in front of paper for decades, doodling shit, but then you'd have only put in the hours, like a 60s car factory worker.

Producing shit, for years. Just putting in the hours. Putting in work is to actively solving problems. How can I make this faster, better, easier? Put in the work, and you will ger better. Put in just hours, and you will probably get worse and worse with time.

[Anonymous No.4109335]

>>4109221
The same way everyone gets good. There is so hidden cabal of art, take NMA courses and you'll get on or above they're levels.

[Anonymous No.4109339]

>>4109221
computers

[Anonymous No.4109343]

It's not about learning materials, it's about becoming a biological machine. This is all these chink artists do, no exceptions. If you were to ask them about even simple concepts from any other area in life, they'd look at you with vacant expressions.
Plenty of western artists could do something as detailed if they were as obsessed as these artists, there's nothing there that's unique.

[Anonymous No.4113123]

>>4109221
China is leader and we are leading idustry in technology and artistically.

[Anonymous No.4113164]

>>4113123
China numba wan

[Anonymous No.4113210]

>>4109221
They don't spend all day posting despair posts on 4chan all day. Hell, most of the artists I know, and in school, didn't either. There might be a connection there.

Honestly. My whole life it's been about "when can I draw next?" I wanted to draw everything. But 4chan is the only place I've ever been to where most of the people are talking about not drawing for months, or having to force themselves, or simply can't hack more than an hour of concentration. I didn't sleep more than 3 or 4 hours a night in high school and college because I was up all night painting or drawing, because that's when it was the quietest. Thank god for coffee.

Stop thinking they have something you don't. You have the fucking internet, and going by how many neets are here, all the time in the world. So why is it all of you have excuses, and not portfolios?

[Anonymous No.4113233]

>>4109221

These posts, OP:
>>4109275
>>4109294
>>4113210
>>4109259

[Anonymous No.4113250]

>>4109221
You do realize that paintings like these can take a week or a month even? Plus they've been practicing for nearly a decade or more. My bet is that your "practice" is like this: you start drawing about an hour a week max, some months you give up, and then you expect to speedpaint a masterpiece like this in a few hours. If you believe this artist just gazed into a magical book that granted them art powers, you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.4113287]

>>4113250
Seriously. If there's one thing that pisses me off it's this belief that there's some secret shortcuts. It's just laziness. They want the glory, but they don't want to work for it. I spent hours, months, years, trying to figure out how some artists accomplished what they were doing, along with studying art formally. That's it. That's what it is. The image in the OPs post is the result of mastering color, form, perspective, and painting. The composition isn't my favorite thing in the world, but it's good. That's the result of hours of woodshedding. effort, and study. It's not even a Chinese thing, it's an ARTIST thing.
I just hate this lazy attitude that you can just pirate an ebook that can bypass years of effort. That's now how it fucking works. Ever. You can't read your way to being an artist.

[Anonymous No.4113374]

Its simply a numbers game
when you have practically an infinite amount of poeple its not really surprising a few extreme outliers will be among them
good luck competing with this

[Anonymous No.4113375]

>>4109294
>Yoi can sit
anyone else think yoi was the name of some chinese artist for a minute there?

[Anonymous No.4113382]

>>4113374

i'll compensate with soul

[Anonymous No.4113385]

>>4113374
>all these people
>you never learn their fates
Are they all just training for the AI uprising? There's no way China has enough room for all of them to make it.

[Anonymous No.4113396]

>>4113374
its an entrance exam, im assuming for one of the more elite schools

[Anonymous No.4113403]

I dont find the composition interesting, but the rendering is good

[Anonymous No.4113592]

Only thing asians are (more or less) good at is rendering. And yeah, they just practice a lot, it's that simple. They are smart and know how to learn, and you don't - that's the problem.

[Anonymous No.4113620]

>>4109221
This is a good example of artwork being so overly rendered and detailed in every area of the piece that it hurts the readability of the composition

[Anonymous No.4113629]

>>4113374
Meanwhile, in the west

[Anonymous No.4113651]

It's in the genes

[Anonymous No.4113688]

You'd think will millions of bugmen they'd be able to have enough manpower to dominate the animation industry. Just what the fuck is China doing?

[Anonymous No.4113692]

>>4113688
Don't give them any ideas, Korea's already getting outsourced too enough as it is.

[Anonymous No.4113694]

>>4113692
Well I mean even if they have a semblance of an Idea the reason why chinese anime fails is because their voice talent is ass and they have no idol culture there unlike South Korea and Japan. Anime is half animation half Seiyuu talent.

[Anonymous No.4113695]

>>4113629
She is hot

[Anonymous No.4113707]

>>4113695
>She is hot
Thot it spells T H O T.
Thot.

[Anonymous No.4113715]

>>4113707
Wtf is thot

[Anonymous No.4113725]

>>4109273
\thread op is a regard

[Anonymous No.4113735]

They're gods among men. At least Fenghua is.

[Anonymous No.4113752]

>>4113735
>no focal point
>putting as much detail in the darks as in the lights
literally the first things you learn not to do with composition

[Anonymous No.4113755]

>>4113735
Who's the best artist on /ic/ and how do they compare to work like that?

[Anonymous No.4114429]

>>4109230
How can we improve our study ethic if we aren't in an art school or under a mentorship?

[Anonymous No.4114437]

>>4114429
Have you tried not being retarded?

[Anonymous No.4114438]

>>4113210
so to reach the top you have to be a juiced up machine with only one thought ever on your mind?
Grinding might made you great at the fundamentals and technical drawing, but in order to actually make something from imagination you need to build up that visual library, which won't happen if you are spending 22 hours of the day spitting out the same instructions.

[Anonymous No.4114440]

>>4114429
adderall.

[Anonymous No.4114562]

>>4114438
>so to reach the top you have to be a juiced up machine with only one thought ever on your mind?
It helps. What, you think you can reach the top in anything, be it sports, or business, or music, or art, or writing, on hopes and dreams? You gotta be obsessed, pretty much. And I'm not even in visual range of the top, although I'm happy at the level I work at - but I had to work hard, like everyone else, to get here.
And, i never said I "grinded" anything. I had pretty much a standard path in art - mom was an artist, was encouraged to draw and paint as a kid, got serious in high school, was my hobby and main interest in life, and then went for a degree in illustration, graduated, and have worked as an illustrator (and designer) since.
I was gonna paint anyway. But get paid for it, too? I'm in.
It's a bit more than just a visual library. I know you anons like to try and simplify being an artist down to simple ideas like that, but you don't get what being an artist really is. It's not just one thing, it's a lot of things. And being just a little bit obsessed with it is part of it. And, you gotta do the work, and excel in all areas of it, if you want to rise above hobby level (nothing wrong with that level, either.)
But I was talking about anons who don't even get to the lowest bar of the art journey, who don't paint or draw for months, and then post here crying that they're not getting anywhere.

[Anonymous No.4114832]

>>4114437
I legally can't stop being retarded.

[Anonymous No.4114849]

>>4113385
This just means the ones that do make are overwhelmingly extraordinary. example: Op's post.

[Anonymous No.4115854]

>>4113210
It's because everything is negative here.

You come here, people tell you that your art is shit, you need to grind the fundies to unrealistic levels, you can't have fun and no matter how much you improve they'll bring you down like the crabs they are. /ic/ is to art what incel circle jerks are to getting laid.

[Anonymous No.4115922]

Honestly they're just grinding away to produce highly refined copies of western ideas. They see something that sells and slave away to make endless inferior and redundant copies.

Most western/white artists are the same way, but lazier. But then every once in a while a Frazetta comes along.

[Anonymous No.4115954]

>>4109231
Nice plastic dude

[Anonymous No.4116455]

>>4113735
For me, it's Wei Feng

[Anonymous No.4116598]

>>4113752
>no focal point
very clear that the focal point is the yellow robed monk in the foreground and you follow the figure into the dragon head in the background

>putting as much detail in the darks as in the lights
this is way too literal, like youve never put this into practice. his darks have a lot of detail because his lights are more generalized (clouds) except at key points (monk, dragon head). this is following the idea you mentioned pretty well actually, just in reverse. its like how our pupils expand in the dark, so we can take in a lot of light to see better, but it makes it harder to see details in the lights because we take in too much of it. shrinking pupils cause the opposite effect, where we control the amount of light to see what is in light but not as much in shadow.

this painting is fine and youre crabbing out hard.

[Anonymous No.4116712]

>>4109221
>Western "learning" material
>Author comes from a upper class family of artists and had the privilege of receiving the best art education since forever
>Author dedicates 20 pages of self masturbatory introduction listing his career's accomplishments and dedications
>Uses capeshit analogies
>Delivers intentional bad or incomplete advice in an obtuse way so you also buy his video courses and other instructional materials
>Book randomly goes away from the original topic for no good reason (want to learn perspective? we are drawing cars now nigga)
>Hates your guts
>If you contact the author on social media he will accuse you of being a career climber and publicly shame you on the spot
>Goes on twitter to discuss politics and get engaged into SJW drama wars
>Oriental learning material
>Author comes from a random middle class family. Got where he is by effort and dedication
>Dedicates a short introduction covering the fundamentals of learning and a right mindset from the get go
>Uses daily life analogies. Easy to follow
>Advice is directly to the point
>Book stays on the topic of the book while offering good instruction and motivation at every page
>He thinks you're a cool guy and that you're gmi
>His interests include videogames, anime and food
>If you contact the author he will follow you back and become your best friend
>Goes on twitter to upload pictures of yummy food
And don't even get me started that the only good western books were done by people who have been dead for decades.

[Anonymous No.4116717]

>>4109221
They spend their time actually improving their skills instead of shitposting on boards like /ic/ for one

[Anonymous No.4116726]

>>4114562
Can we see your work?

[Anonymous No.4116835]

>>4113735
Fenghua Zhong is my all time favorite

[Anonymous No.4116880]

>>4116455

Does he use models or like Bacon photographs?

[Anonymous No.4116881]

>>4116455


How does he do that hair texture?

How does he get the proportions

does he use an image underneath?

He he draw from sight?

Is this all from imagination?

[Anonymous No.4116883]

>>4116455


Does he use an image underneath to get perfect proportions?

Or does he draw from imagination?

[Anonymous No.4116884]

>>4116455


Does he have live models

or photographs he works from?

[Anonymous No.4116885]

Can you please answer my questions someone I would love to know

I want to know the modern method

[Anonymous No.4116888]

I would like to reach that level so if anyone can give some tips of the method

[Anonymous No.4116889]

>>4116455


Is that 50-100 hours work?

[Anonymous No.4116890]

>>4113735

I don't think that is a human who did that.

[Anonymous No.4116891]

>>4113735

That's... Not a human drawing.

You can't teach that.

[Anonymous No.4116893]

I just got a pen and a pad to draw but I used a mouse before but I have had it in the box for a month

[Anonymous No.4116896]

>>4116455
Wei really fell the fuck off.
got to this

[Anonymous No.4116897]

>>4116896
from this

[Anonymous No.4116898]

While young American artists are bickering amongst themselves in shitty 4chan boards. Chinese are busy mastering and replicating western art to sell reproductions back to Rich American bourgeoisie.

https://www.chinaoilpaintinggallery.com/famous-artists-sargent-c-141_149

[Anonymous No.4116900]

>>4116896

I don't like it

[Anonymous No.4116901]

>>4116897


I love it

[Anonymous No.4116904]

Old wei was really great

[Anonymous No.4116907]

Now he's just a stupid cum brain

[Anonymous No.4116908]

>>4116904

My God

how do you even conceive of that and replicate it

[Anonymous No.4116911]

>>4116907


I hate that, I hate it the most

doesn't have eternity in it

[Anonymous No.4116912]

>>4116907

The other paintings

could be remembered for all time

[Anonymous No.4116917]

>>4116904

It's hard to believe someone did that

[Anonymous No.4116919]

Well I am at 15% of that level but I promise my art will be the most beautiful of all time, in ten years.

[Anonymous No.4116923]

>>4109263
The Chinese are the animals

[Anonymous No.4116925]

Can I ask

aside from talent

what the content of an art piece means for it's endurance?

[Anonymous No.4116954]

>>4116904
what's wrong with new wei

[Anonymous No.4116992]

you all have horrible taste in art

all chink art is like cheap chinese replica clothes or cars and they do it only for money

[Anonymous No.4117020]

THIS NIGGA IS USING LIPSTICK WHAT A FUCKING HOMO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.4117021]

>>4116907
that sans cat tho

[Anonymous No.4117026]

>>4116954
Wasted talent, that's all

[Anonymous No.4117036]

>>4116712
please tell me a good art book from an oriental author, please, ive read some of the How to Rnder ( a fucking 270 page book) and everything you mentioned in the green text checks out, the book is fucking trash

[Anonymous No.4117044]

>>4116712
Honestly just sounds like you're a delusional weeb incel

[Anonymous No.4117048]

>>4113374
So this is where all of deviantart and the aco boards mass produced porn comes from!!

[Anonymous No.4117057]

>>4117026

That looks like someone who ha studied really hard to paint like him but don't understand soft edges and painterly brushwork lol

[Anonymous No.4117059]

>>4117057
Why does the chinese can’t understand brushwork to create realistic depiction but instead copout for over detaling?

[Anonymous No.4117093]

>>4109343
>hurr chink draw good so they dumb
>durr mutt could draw better but wont
Snip snip motherfucker

[Anonymous No.4117108]

i thought you cant show bones or organs or blood in china

[Anonymous No.4117232]

>>4109221
>still no soul

[Anonymous No.4117335]

>>4109294
>>4109259
>>4113210
>>4113250
>>4113287
>>4114562
>>4115854
These guy KNOW.

[Anonymous No.4117342]

>>4116907
...No, Feng, Not you...

[Anonymous No.4117344]

>>4109221
Photobashing generic teash that all looks the same is not "another level" you soulless bugman.

[Anonymous No.4117348]

>>4109221
Race doesn't matter. Why would them being chinese change anything? Besides, most of these artists are older and have had more experience in drawing.

[Anonymous No.4117401]

>>4116880
>>4116881
>>4116883
>>4116884
>>4116889
>>4116896
Theres vids of him working
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJUyLtr8nwI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDh8H3NiF-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh6rBHRljEQ

[Anonymous No.4117450]

>>4116907
Jesus, it's like he got hit hard by the millenial CalArts stick but managed to keep a little bit of his imagination intact.

[Anonymous No.4117530]

>>4117344
>Photobashing elements that literally can't be photographed
You've gone and huffed yourself retarded on bitterness and jealousy.

[Anonymous No.4117920]

>>4116907
I hate the "lol soo random" edgy pop culture reference stuff. It looks like he is desperately trying to figure out how to get upvotes on reddit or something. Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.4117924]

>>4117920
Also from a technical perspective, does anyone else find it odd that Wei's rendering chops do not seem to translate into this flat style?

[Anonymous No.4118160]

>>4117026