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You aren't seriously drawing rigid boxes for people, right anon?

>> No.4108586

>>4108582
i dont think anyone who actually read any figure drawing book does, hampton, huston, vilppu, hell even loomis emphasizes construction ON TOP of gesture

>> No.4108589
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4108589

Yes.

>> No.4108590

You can only draw a human torso as a "P" like that once you understand its shape, and in order to understand its shape you have to draw stiff mannequins first.

>> No.4108592

>>4108582
>>4108582
This nigga wants to run before learning to walk. It's OK to be rigid when you begin, people.

>> No.4108594

>>4108582
A lot of people on here think construction specifically means you need to do exactly that every time you sketch a figure.

>> No.4108595

>>4108582
One doesn’t negate the other. Usually you start with gesture then find forms that reinforce said gesture

Her way of dismissing basic shapes is just bad advice

>> No.4108596

>>4108582
You can make fluid dynamic poses with just using boxes, spheres, and cylinders.

>> No.4108597

Beginner here, how do you get gud at gesture? Is it just grinding posed figures until you get it?

>> No.4108600
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4108600

>>4108597
Grinding poses from different angles and perspective. Then change to another pose and repeat l.

>> No.4108603

>>4108589
I like that T pelvis.

>> No.4108605

>>4108600
That's pretty cool anon. Guess I'll start with mastering perspective

>> No.4108617
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4108617

>>4108582
>he doesn't know more corners creates more perspective

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>>4108582
Imagine how many people actually took this advice and are now stuck permanetely symbol drawing people

>thinking in 3D is too hard, try this convenient alternative that may or may not fuck up your draftsmanship for years to come!

>> No.4108625

>>4108605
Read hamptons book on figure drawing, you can find it in the art book thread

>> No.4108650

>>4108624
pyw

>> No.4108660
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4108660

>>4108589
i wanna fuck that box

>> No.4108729

>>4108582
>somebody shockingly has their own process that works for them
DROP EVERYTHING AND DO WHAT THEYRE DOING.

>> No.4108731

>>4108617
How the fuck do I get to this level

>> No.4108735

Its incredible how much of an amateur you have to be to take this thread seriously.

It's like watching a bunch of 9 year olds trying to become professional marathon cylclists and arguing about whether you should first grab your bike by the left or right handlebar when you pick it up

>> No.4108839

Listen. I get that making a characters pose look natural is important, because stiff art looks like shit. BUT, why does every pose need to be dynamic and fluid? Imagine if every single simple scene in some relaxing feel good manga manga or comic drew them like that. You will need to do some relaxed and not over the top poses eventually. Characters sitting, sleeping, cooking. Why does everything need to look so overly dramatic?

>> No.4108853

>>4108589
Based and boxpilled

>> No.4108858

>>4108617
whos the artist?

>> No.4108864

>>4108858
READ nigga READ

>> No.4108914

>>4108660
Pedo

>> No.4108917

The reason why beginners should draw with simple geometric shapes is to train perspective and give the body parts volumes.

>> No.4108924

>>4108914
The box is of age.

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4108933

>>4108914

>> No.4109019

>>4108933
>gaslighting
why dont people pick terms that make sense in the modern era. who even knows what a gaslight is anymore for this term to make sense to somebody who doesnt engage in this drama shit.

>> No.4109027

>>4109019
It does not come from what a gas light is, It comes from a movie title with gaslight in it and the behaviour of the couple in it. You wouldn’t know that being from the “modern era” where people are fucking stupid and cant find these things out for themselves.

>> No.4109035

>>4108589

thank you for this image
i have made a breakthrough

>> No.4109038

>>4108933
jesus christ a brother needs to chill.
i don't think I feel that kind of passion for any group of people, even the ones I think should be met with violence.

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4109052

>>4108858
file name brainlet

>>4108731
draw, study and copy as much as a renaissance master

>> No.4109055

>>4109052
notice how he uses box shapes and hard corners whenever part of the figure needs to noticeably move back or forward in perspective.

>> No.4109107

>>4108924
Keep your dirty rectangles to yourself

>> No.4109117

>>4109035
did you really? pyw before and after

im not here to crab you, im legit desperate to find dimension in my work and i want to cry desu

>> No.4109145

>>4109027
i gave up looking up what people mean since they keep misusing words anyway, "epic" and "diversion" example.

>> No.4109198

boxes ftw! fuck the "head is like a sphere" bs.

>> No.4109247

>>4108660
kek

>> No.4109251

>>4109117
ah sorry I'm grinding on paper rn too lazy to make photos

>> No.4109257

>>4109251
so you didn't really make a breakthrough, or are you just afraid of crabs? don't be a sissy

>> No.4109265

>>4108582
Whatever helps you break down the form. Boxes help some people because it helps remove them from the fact that they're drawing a person in the early stages. Then they can just focus on form and perspective.

>> No.4109269

>>4109257
i will not post because I have not perfected this yet

>> No.4109299

>>4108735
>not using your dominant hand to grab the same side of the bar

>> No.4109380

>>4108735
/thread

>> No.4109618

>>4109269
so you haven't made a breakthrough AND you're a sissy that's afraid of some criticism

>> No.4109630

>>4109618
Dude chill

>> No.4109666

>>4108582
It literally doesn't matter. If you're a /beg/ then you're gonna have to draw and redraw every part of the piece so many times to get a good result that the way you put down your very first lines is irrelevant. If you've already made it then you already have a system that works for you, but won't necessarily work for others. Either way it's not something worth stressing over.

>> No.4109730

>>4108582
You aren't seriously flexing on people further behind than you for a cheap attention/self esteem fix, right anon?

Seriously, you're the senior taking calculus flexing on freshmen taking algebra. How broken is your self esteem?

>> No.4109755

>>4108582
Boxes and cylenders help understand perspective, which is handy to learn early.
Moving on from it is cool, but the fundementals are already pinned down.
I use construction after the gesture though, but thats so i dont go crazy with proportions.

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>>4108933
>17 at the time
>Guy is 2 years older
>ZOMG PEDO

>> No.4110203
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4110203

>>4108582
Andrew Loomis - Figure drawing for all it is worth

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4110207

>>4110203
Andrew Loomis second frame series

>> No.4110230
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4110230

Any tips to getting more dynamic poses/gestures? I'm kinda bored of the "side-view pose" shit, and I want to mix it up. I do 60 second gestures every now and then, should I ramp that up more? I fucking hate quickpose..

>> No.4110237

>>4108589
oh i've seen your work. usually you end up partially ignoring your construction then your figures look all wonky

>> No.4110241

>>4110230
That pose looks retarded, go grind more poses.

>> No.4110249

>>4110230
do some real figure drawing for once if you want to learn what lifelike gesture and dynamic poses look like. dont try to spend a lot of trying to invent poses either when you have little knowledge of figure drawing

>> No.4110261

>>4110249
Funny part is, I have done 'real' figure drawing in classes before. But that was a long time ago, and I was shittier then. i have practiced it but i guess nothing stuck. oh well. time to grind and shoot myself.
>>4110241
pose was complete imagination so yeah it's dog shit. i just hate grinding on quickpose, website fucking sucks.

>> No.4110279

>>4110160
this was unironically funny

>> No.4110743

>>4108582
who the fuck is toni infate and why should you or I care

>> No.4110779

>>4108582
>I don't understand how to add flow AND construction, so i'll only do one.

>> No.4110785

>>4108933

What's the point of this absurd self-flagellation?

>> No.4110840

>>4108582
I learned to draw "well" by starting with curves and then loosely sketching in the boxes to correct my perspective.

Eventually you stop needing the boxes because by then, your mind has already drawn them in for you.

>> No.4110872

>>4110207
loomis is good and all, but for 3d construction from imagination it's not that useful. in the end everything helps tho. everything that's not completely retarded like the pic in OP

>> No.4110973

>>4108933
Why do people care so much about people drawing fictional characters that don’t exist? Only to boost their ego, and take the moral high ground so they can feel better than everyone else because they’re actually just another piece of shit and worthless human being.

>> No.4111362

>>4110261
croquis cafe bruh they've improved their lighting for the last couple of sessions

>> No.4111386

>>4108605
loomis' book Successful Drawing does a pretty good job at teaching it. there might be others that do a better job, but when it comes to perspective, theres not much the book wont teach you.

>> No.4111389

>>4110872
what book would you recommend for drawing from imagination?

>> No.4111393

>>4110872
How is it not useful when loomis gives you a starting point for average proportions?

>> No.4111468

>>4110872
loomis gives you a mannequin to work with how is that not useful for 3d construction/drawing from imagination baka

>> No.4111471

>>4110230
Think less poses and more actions. What is this image saying? What action is she doing? That's what you should really be keeping in mind

>> No.4111494

>>4111389
you people are actually hopeless.

>> No.4111513

>>4110785
Unstable people.

>> No.4111521

>>4111494
>ask for book to understand certain area
>you people are actually hopeless
?

>> No.4111610

>>4110237
I'm not him.

>> No.4111630

>>4111610
ah, sorry, well if he sees this i hope he puts more effort into his figures because his work has potential

>> No.4111674

>>4108933
kek, makes me think of that "a men can't be a feminist" stand up comedy

>> No.4111730

>>4111521
read the sticky you mongo

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4111744

>>4108660
Based boxfuck anon.

>> No.4111746

>>4111744
the perspective is wrong. Feet not planted

>> No.4111944

>>4108624
not sure if you are being ironic

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>>4110230
Practice gesture drawing every day. And instead of using quickpose - use real people like from the CroquisCafe. You can either draw from their photographs or their timed video sessions.

As for getting more dynamic posing - I think it's all about the basics of gesture. Good sense of flow and rhythm in the gesture, knowing your proportions, knowing where you're placing your ground plane and horizon line. Being able to create, cut, and multiply boxes for your figure.
Ask yourself questions like if one character is standing, while another is squatting - how many heads tall will the squatting character be compared to the standing character? What would that look like if we were looking down on them? What about a 3/4 view at a tilted angle? Practice with refs, from imagination, learn the importance of the box and you'll see good results.

>> No.4112342

>>4112151
Ew wat a fatty

>> No.4112363

>>4112151
Better yet, photograph and video capture yourself doing some acting and action. Then you'll really understand the mechanics of the body.

>> No.4113073

I never understood boxes. I cant visualize the forms at all. For some reason I dont have the same issues with triangles and circles though. I take a free form gesture approach to construction.

>> No.4113077

>>4112151
I wanna lick her entire body ay caramba

>> No.4113739

>>4112151
post your work