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Welcome, anon. Do you want to help shape the next gen art platform from the ground up? Developed by anons, for anons? Yes? Then please continue.

Right now there are no decent options. This is not a thread to debate other platforms and their strengths/weaknesses, but a place to put together what would work. I'm gonna list some ideas and thoughts that have popped up in previous threads and what I think would be nice to have. Feel free to give input on anything, but the 2 most important parts are:

1) What functionality do we include, and in which development priority
2) How do we monetize it. Not to get rich, but to keep the platform afloat. Data transfer costs $$$, and no one is gonna pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for a hobby project. There needs to be a basic monetization model so the site can support itself.

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Functionality
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The absolute basics are a user system and a page where you can show off your portfolio. I think a title and short message needs to be included (optional). And I believe both a feed type of view and a gallery/portfolio view are both nice to have. Feeds would open up functionality to follow users, comment, like, reblog etc.

Important: Is there a difference between a feed post and a portfolio post? Are they the same just shown differently? Or can you post to your feed without it being a portfolio piece and vice versa?

Important: Do we allow some kind of reblog functionality like tumblr (or retweet for twitter)?

Other ideas: An extended form for feedback, maybe an image upload option for redlining/correcting? Ratings (0-5/10) vs likes/stars?

Imageboards: This has been mentioned. But I don't think it would work. It would be confusing for people who aren't used to them, and we already have /ic/

Forum: Eh, idk

>> No.4063822

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Moneys
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Lots of options here. We could go freemium (basic = free, extra functionality = paid). This seems like the way to go imo. Limiting the number of posts or albums you can post or people you can follow etc. Lots of possibilities. Creating a commission system is also an option, taking a % of the price, and being a trusted third party to solve disputes. Maybe even escrow service.

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Content
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It's meant for art. If you're into drawing things that are legally questionable, look elsewhere. I'm thinking we should divide between SFW, NSFW (artistic), NSFW (explicit aka porn). Now this might be a dealbreaker for some of you but I would also suggest we ghost certain content aka furry stuff etc. Yes you're free to draw weird stuff but we don't need another deviantart. By ghosting I mean not showing up on the frontpage. Maybe add a default filter on search functionality. The NSFW porn stuff might be our best shot at recurring revenue since it's a decent sized market and obviously people don't mind paying for this kind of stuff. Maybe even limit NSFW porn stuff to paying accounts and set the fee very low.

Tagging seems like a no brainer, would really help searching and organizing content.

Above all, it needs to be open for beginners and pros alike. People should be able to show their stuff, get a following, get/give feedback, and maybe pick up commissions. That's how I view it.

>> No.4063832

From another thread: the option to upload comics and "read" them. I think a way to update a comic type post would be great. Basically make it a different type than just an image, and when a page gets added it can get a "x new pages" label

When viewed in your portfolio by a new user, it would just show up as one comic, with a release date and an update history

And form the same anon: fandom categorization

>> No.4063846

Who can program?
Who will pay for it.

>> No.4063854

>>4063846

I'll develop it. I have 10+ years experience in web development and have launched multiple websites

>> No.4063859

>>4063822
>legally questionable
In what country? I'm not censoring myself become some faggot in west virginia hates his own wife's tits.

>> No.4063860 [DELETED] 

>>4063854
The thing is, you are just here for the money, and what we really want is freedom.
Maybe make it donation based? Instead of going full jew? Or, nvm then why would you do it, right?
Fuck you and fuck your website, give up.

>> No.4063865

>>4063820
I'm a devfag myself, but corporate goons making monetized software for an audience they aren't a part of and don't understand is exactly how we got into this mess.
If you are an artfag, go with your gut and implement what *you* would want. You aren't? Don't bother making this.

>> No.4063867

there are so many platforms for reaching the masses. what the fuck is this proposal?

>> No.4063868

>>4063859

You know what I'm talking about, and it's not a pair of adult tits..

>>4063860

Donation doesn't work. People don't donate. If they did I'd be 100% down with going that way

I'm not here for the money, I have plenty of that from my dayjob. I'm here cause I like art and /ic/ has given me lots of advice

>> No.4063870

>>4063865

I posted what I want, but I also want others to give their input. i'm not making it for myself, I'm making to have a platform, a community where ppl can share advice and show their stuff

>> No.4063871

>>4063870
kek what is deviantart

>> No.4063872

>>4063868
Donations work. Anime Twist has been doing it since launch. Just emphasize what the alternative is (shitty ads and sponsorships) and people will help to avoid that.

>> No.4063873

>>4063871

Furry central

>> No.4063874

The problem with a site especially for artists is that you miss out on potential clients because they don't frequent art sites.

>> No.4063885

>>4063874
btw how do you make money with art in an environment cucked on one end by ab-ex and on the other by anime garbage?

>> No.4063886

What are people looking for?
a) A site where you can get to the audience?
b) A site where you can host your art in a better format than any of the current popular existing sites?

a) = Instagram, Twitter, (Tumblr, lmao rip)
b) Deviantart, ArtStation

>> No.4063887

>>4063886
There's probably a space in between there for a half-gallery, half-blog.

>> No.4063888

>>4063886
tfw I just want to drive sports cars, fuck my 3 waifus, and draw with the remaining hours of the night

>> No.4063889

>>4063886

Twitter and ig are shit quality for media

Deviantart has been dying for years and is overrun by low quality content and furry bs

>> No.4063892

Also good luck posting nsfw to instagram. Even lewd stuff gets fucked in the algorithm since 2 months ago or so

>> No.4063893

>>4063889
deviantart isn' half bad anon. I'm sure if you're looking for furry porn you can find it, but there are literally millions of legit artists on there.

>> No.4063896

>>4063886
people seem to want a "functional" gallery and a better discovery algorithm.

>> No.4063938
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4063938

Anon who wrote the walltext about making an imageboard here.

It's ok if people don't like the idea, but here's something important to think about:
>I don't think it would work. It would be confusing for people who aren't used to them, and we already have /ic/
Is the intention of the platform to be mainstream, to compete with, say, deviantart? Or instead being something more niche, but still relevant, such as what conceptart.org was? Even more tight-knit?

Your ideas are all in terms of features, instead of thinking about broder concepts: target audience, nurturing a community, finding a way for the system to oil itself, without demanding too much moderation.

Write some ideal scenarios, imagine yourself as someone benefiting from the platform/community and think what in this platform would make you glad and what could make you prosper. Features come afterwards in order to offer those benefits.

>> No.4063947

If you include any NSFW content, you open yourself up to a whole load of issues. Payment processors have been known to just stop doing business with companies which run adult-content sites and you need to jump through a lot of hoops to avoid that. If something is illegal anywhere, a lot of businesses don't want to get involved in it and basically all lewd stuff is illegal somewhere.
My recommendation for a general strategy is to make the website as focused as possible on managing commissions. There are lots of sites where people can post their pictures. What the market is lacking is a site which is all about connecting artists to actual customers.

>> No.4063951

>>4063938
An ideal art platform for me would be smaller and focus on community. Divided into topics in the same way a board is divvied into generals.

>> No.4063952

>>4063938

I'd prefer niche, maybe like an extension to /ic/? But I'm still struggling with the financial side of things. That sort of pushed me to mainstream because that's where the money comes from to support it.

Like i said before, if we can do donation-based that would be great, but I just don't see that happening. Anons are too greedy to buy a loomis book, let alone donate to a website

>> No.4063955

>>4063947

Isn't the majority of commissions adult based tho? the commission seems like a good way to support the site (take a % and/or escrow)

>> No.4063957

>>4063947
Why do payment processors hate porn so much? Why do bean counters have to inject their faggotry instead of just counting beans

>> No.4063973

>>4063957
Apparently, there are a lot of retractions/refunds or whatever it's called when it comes to porn.

>> No.4063983

>>4063973

>I swear to God honey I have no idea what that is my card must have been hacked omg!

>it wasnt me mom i swear I didn't touch your card it was probably Kevin!!

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4064799

>>4063820
Regardless what the project ends up looking like, I think /ic/ should be the main source of feedback, even post-launch. We can't trust normies with this.

>>4063983
Kek

>> No.4064888

>>4063886
a) so i can maintain an audience

>> No.4064964

>>4063896
So basically better options for curtailing your work and a non shit search system to find stuff easier?

>> No.4065014
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4065014

Posted this in a similar thread.

-booru styled tagging and search system. Would be ideal for finding fanart or blocking images with content you don't want to see. 18+, diapers, inflation etc

-messages have a character limit to prevent spam

-Actual moderation. Seriously, mods should monitor submissions to make sure people are only posting art. Not selfies and their amateur porn to keep it from turning into Facebook 2.0.

-albums like pixiv to make reading comic pages and dumps easier

>Front page should ONLY feature top tier artwork.

>a function that acts as a kind of feed that shows messages, new art from your follows, and suggestions to stuff you may like. Twitter has this as an example.

>> No.4065057

>>4065014
>booru styled tagging and search system. Would be ideal for finding fanart or blocking images with content you don't want to see. 18+, diapers, inflation etc
Fukn this

>> No.4065083

>>4065014
I can't remember if this was brought up here or in another thread, but I'll say it again.
Communicating with and attracting non-artists is essential for a new art website. Most normies don't know know how to use an imageboard.

>> No.4065134

>>4063820

>make art platform
>???
>profit

Here are some advices, take (with a grain of salt) or reject them as you will

>hao2monetize

You know, i could be a millionaire i just need a million dollar idea
Maybe these random anons can give me one, for free, kek.
Yes that's how silly you sound
If you don't have a monetization model
Then you're just a anon with a idea just like these anons suggesting features to deviantart, of course you don't need to come up with it yourself that's actually bad

>know your position

So you want a monetization model ?
Don't, that's not your position
You're a web developer probably a web designer too
I'll assume there is at least one other guy with you in this "start up"
He's supposed to be the marketing guy
And he's the one supposed to come up with a monetization model he can discuss it with you just as you can discuss the web design with but it isn't his job to design it

>Know your goal

Are you making the next gen art platform or just a hobby project
Is it supposed to rival deviantart and tumblr or just peacefully co-exist with them
What audience are you targeting?
Why should they use it over other art platforms
These and more are questions your marketing dude is supposed to ask (you).

>BOTTOM TEXT

>> No.4065139

I guess this is just Art Site Alternative General now, so,
How much do you guys care about customization? (think Tumblr-level here) Standardizing profiles would bring a lot of benefits, so would you guys care if it was gone?

>> No.4065171

>>4065083

>>4063765
ah, here it is.

>> No.4065256

OP here

>>4064799

>Regardless what the project ends up looking like, I think /ic/ should be the main source of feedback, even post-launch. We can't trust normies with this.

I 100% agree, that's why I made this thread

>>4065014

>booru styled tagging and search system

Can you expand on the booru type system? I don't want to view a bunch of hentai (not judging)

>Actual moderation

I agree that some level is needed. Checking every submission on the other hand isn't scalable without either volunteers or paying people. We may be able to automate some part of it eg reporting function to temporarily ghost/blacklist a submission. Then add a queu for mods to check flagged posts. This would be responsive vs proactive, and depends on the community to report

>Front page should ONLY feature top tier artwork.

I agree. We all dislike reddit but the split between "front page/all" and "new" works. There should be a "new" page too.

>>4065083

I agree. Definitely no account barrier for just viewing stuff. Social sharing will have to be included to spread awareness and to drive organic traffic towards the platform

>>4065134

It's a niche hobby project. There is no marketing guy or a partner. Also I don't believe in ideas, I believe in execution. Art platforms are as old as the internet but they all still suck for some reason 20 years later. I want to change that. Plenty of sites started as a hobby project. I want a working MVP to see if this is viable before taking it seriously and going all startup like.

I get your pov, but I'm not here to get $$$. I do however want the platform to be able to finance itself longterm

>> No.4065277

>>4065256
> Can you expand on the booru type system? I don't want to view a bunch of hentai (not judging)
This system is typically used for hentai sites, but nothing about it couldn't work anywhere else.
Each post must be tagged. For Rule34.xxx, it's generally character, artist, series, copyright, and niches/fetishes. This makes searching for what you want, and excluding what you don't, extremely easy.

> example
search for all colored art from mrrandomartist, but exclude furry
> mrrandomartist color -furry

The system is only effective if all posts are tagged correctly and accurately, however. The second someone doesn't tag their foot fetish, users get frustrated. Good luck policing that.

>> No.4065292

>>4065277

That sounds pretty good actually. I think most creators would follow this as it works both ways. Users find better results and artists get the viewers they want (potential followers/buyers)

We could add a warning or maybe start with required tags eg a dropdown "media type" = drawing/digital/comic and then another for color panel = colored/black&white etc and convert those to tags

Also detect tags and act accordingly. So if a user tags with "famous furry character name" and doesn't tag furry, give a warning. Same with tagging as "nude" but not setting nsfw etc. Plenty of options here

Really like this idea btw, this will open it up to becoming a big reference database for people looking for specific stuff, especially if we include AND/OR options and the -option etc

>> No.4065298

>>4063820
do you have any idea what it would be called yet? perhaps there could be a poll or something

>> No.4065305

Also gotta have some system in place to prevent abuse/malicious posting. Some level of verification is going to have to take place. I really dislike text verification but it is the most effective one unfortunately. Email can be bypassed in seconds. Purely talking about creators btw not regular users.

Or maybe requiring text verification for instant posting without moderation, and non-verified accounts will have their submissions checked by a mod first before it's visible. Something like that. I know this isn't a popular thing but I'm not opening it up to a bunch of pedos or something

Also TOR exit node IP's will be blocked, that's a no brainer

>> No.4065308

>>4065298

No idea. Anyone is free to make suggestions

>> No.4065310

>monetization
>portfolio + feed
>SFW/NSFW divide
>beginners and pros
>commission
>escrow
>comics
itt: /ic/ tries to independently reinvent pixiv

don't worry guys, at least we'll have a bunch of people to make a cool logo

>> No.4065312

>>4065305
Would we actually want to block TOR/VPNs?

>> No.4065314

>>4065256
I see
I was thinking of something similar
Got discord or something?

>>4065277
>>4065292
Maybe algorithm could suggest tags?

>> No.4065316

>>4065310

Googled pixiv, got this: "イラスト コミュニケーションサービス[pixiv(ピクシブ)]"

Anon, I...

Also account required for viewing stuff

>> No.4065317

>>4065316
> english pixiv
ok

>> No.4065320

>>4065316
you're the kinda guy who complains about to hit 1 for english on a phone service aren't you

>> No.4065323

>>4065312

VPN blocking isn't feasible. TOR blocking is easy. Why would you be on TOR for viewing/posting artwork?

I know TOR has legit uses, but there's a reason every cp network is on a hidden service. This is purely from a POV of limiting & preventing abuse

>>4065314

I really dislike discord, but I agree we need a more permanent place to discuss stuff with usernames etc. Let me think about it

>> No.4065333

>>4065256
>Can you expand on the booru type system?
Each image is given a set of tags (i.e artist, franchise, character, clothing, setting, image resolution,). Tags are placed on images by users, additionally users are given either a simple upvote/downvote system or a 5 star rating system to rate images. The goal is to basically crowd source a database system.
Also powerusers (users that spend a considerable amount of time properly tagging other people's images) Are given additional features such as increased image upload limits and lower download cooldowns
>>4065292
Typically most boorus require an image at least be tagged with artist, character, and rating (safe, questionable, explicit) and then are given a "tagme" tag if nothing beyond those things are tagged.
>>4065310
Nobody said we were reinventing the wheel. Often times presenting an old idea to a new market can be more successful than you think.

>> No.4065335

>>4065323
Good ol' gmail works too

>> No.4065337

>>4065314
>>4065323
Discord kills chan community projects in a way. You go from having every anon on a board talking about the project to then only people okay with joining a discord server, and then that slowly dwindles into 5-20 people just grinding it out with no outside input. If you want consistent communication then just have everyone take up a tripcode and make this thread a weekly general. Besides, taking communication off of the board means that people who weren't on /ic/ during the few days the thread is up will never even know about the project and that's basically leaving talent on the table

>> No.4065338

>>4065333

So users can tag other people's submissions? Does that not get abused?

Resolution can be automated so that's a good one for people searching for wallpapers etc.

Upvote/downvote is very reddit-like but it's basically the only option to create some sort of high quality homepage.

>Also powerusers (users that spend a considerable amount of time properly tagging other people's images) Are given additional features such as increased image upload limits and lower download cooldowns

This is good stuff

>> No.4065340

>>4063820
I think it's pretty obvious we have a whole bunch of ideas going now, but we need a better way to talk/organize. Discord + Trello?

>> No.4065343

>> ITT we do everything in our power to avoid drawing
let's ngmi together guys

>> No.4065350

>>4065335

I can live with gmail as an alternative for text verification. Still want to block TOR though

>>4065340

I agree with this anon: >>4065337

I added a tripcode, for future reference I'm opie

>> No.4065354

>>4065338
Stars works too

>>4065337
We could have server + generals
But for now i have to think of a smart tripcode

>> No.4065360

>>4065354

And I guess only being able to star as a registered user? Manipulation is easy if it's IP based

>> No.4065379

>>4065337
I agree, actually.

> If you want consistent communication then just have everyone take up a tripcode and make this thread a weekly general.
I actually see a lot of these threads/discussions now so

> /asag/ Art Site Alternative General

Here, you can get feedback on your ideas for new art sites, give suggestions on how to fix or improve current ones, and find people to help work on your projects.

I'll eventually think of a new tripcode. I would use my normal alias, but i think i have too much of a negative history here to carry over.

>> No.4065387

Please for the love of god implement activitypub so people can use their existing accounts to interact with users on your site.

The absolute hardest thing to do is get users, and making your site activitypub compliant gets you 3 million users for free.

>> No.4065391

>>4065360
I guess
Maybe make it so they can rate only after certain time or posts amount
Or being able to see who did rate and just leave it to the users to report

>> No.4065395

>>4065387
I'm sorry if I sound reeeeeally retarded, but if people can just @ people in (artsite) from anywhere, where's the incentive to go to (artsite) specifically?
Wouldn't it be better to build up a dedicated userbase, and add ActivityPub later as a feature?

>> No.4065396

>>4065338
>Does that not get abused?
It can be, but that is solved by having a moderation team with a hardline stance on proper tagging guidelines.
>but it's basically the only option to create some sort of high quality homepage.
I'll point out that the "homepage" of most boorus is simply the most recent images. Users typically have to manually input a search command (typically the specific query is "order:quality") to see the good stuff. This could probably be turned into a specific page though

Honestly I think you should go click through a few boorus. Sankaku complex's FAQ and help pages give excellent breakdowns

>> No.4065414

>>4063820
>>4063886
>What are people looking for?
All of the above combined and more is generally what people want when these threads come up.

A big talking point is how to handle NSFW. People say "just get rid of porn and the community will improve" but there is plenty of non-porn art that has the same effect (i.e. Fetish art and pinups of various degrees of lewdness). Even Artstation had trouble with that at least for their app so I assume similar problems arise with getting ads, hosting, or whatever. https://magazine.artstation.com/2018/12/happened-artstation-android-app/

The other point is whether the site will be a super social media site for anyone to use that has features that benefit artists or be a niche artist-focused site that would allow for a better community than existing ones. Either way whatever site that gets made will need to have functionality at least equal to, but more likely need to be better than, any existing site or there is no point in creating it. That will be such a big job it's probably better to focus on making a niche site for artists.

1/2

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>>4065414
That said I’ll just throw out ideas. The super social media site could have:
>Profile timeline for posts that is like a combination of Twitter’s feed and DeviantArt’s journals/polls/status updates
>A social gallery and separate portfolio like Artstation plus Pixiv albums and comics
>Setting user profile type. Similar to how DeviantArt and Artstation let you set what kind of user you are (3D artist, writer, art collector, etc), the same would be done here but with a broader focus so that non-artists have plenty of options and multiple selections with maybe a percentage to emphasize some.
>A forum for making groups around different topics with posts and gallery entries being able to be linked to those groups.
>An imageboard comment style for all posts on the site(with some 4chanX features built in). People would get used to it if it is designed nicely and it would help the site stand out.
>Community tagging, tag wikis, and search like Pixiv and boorus (like Sankaku Complex in pic related)
>Homepage would be popular/trending/featured stuff from timelines, galleries, and forums with filter options for time, type, tags, etc.
>Feed page for content from people you follow that can be organized based on how you group the people you follow plus filters.
>Recommended users/content page based on user profile type, tags, likes, follows, reblogs, favorite collections, etc. plus filters.

A niche art site would be similar just cut it down to an imageboard forum with accounts and a gallery with booru tagging.

2/2

>> No.4065419

>>4065395

Yeah i'm also not 100% convinced desu but I need to look into it more

>> No.4065421

>>4065387
Probably we can add quest mode where people comment without having a account also users can allow comments from quests or deny it

>> No.4065426

>>4065414

For apps it's a PITA. But it's a double standard, reddit and patreon have apps on iOS for example even though adult content is strictly not allowed. But yeah we'll have to filter it on apps

I'm still liking my original categorization:
SFW
NSFW (artistic)
NSFW (porn/explicit)

Zero tolerance for not tagging nsfw

>>4065416

>Profile timeline
Absolutely

>A social gallery and separate portfolio like Artstation plus Pixiv albums and comics
This is a big one where we need to reach conensus. There are a lot of options here and we need think this through because it will be the main focus for most users. Viewing work must be as intuitive and easy as possible

>Setting user profile type
I think we need to split the artist types like you said but non artists need only one label imo, "fan" or whatever. Non artists don't care about their profiles (assumption)

>An imageboard comment style for all posts on the site
Have to disagree here. I think just comments is fine, maybe with the option to have a "feedback comment" with more option eg post image for redlining etc as discussed earlier

>Homepage would be popular/trending/featured stuff
Yess

>Feed page for content from people you follow that can be organized based on how you group the people you follow plus filters
Absolutely

>Recommended users/content page based on user profile type, tags, likes, follows, reblogs, favorite collections, etc. plus filters.
Not easy to create but very nice to have

>> No.4065430

Some other things:

Allow multiple images in a non-comic post?
Allow comment disabling by creators?

>> No.4065431

>>4065426
Apple's official policy is that you are allowed to have NSFW content, it just has to not be viewable by default and the setting to turn it off must be outside the app.

As for the ratings:
SFW
NSFW
NSFW-H
NSFW-F

first two are obvious. H is hentai/porn, and F is fetish/furry/feet/stuff most people wouldn't fap to.

>> No.4065435

>>4065431

I'm thinking most people wouldn't fap to hentai desu. Is hentai so different from furry and stuff?

>> No.4065440

>>4065435
That was probably a bad distinction to make. NSFW-F wouldn't necessarily be worse than NSFW-H persay, just a different category.
I've seen what happens when fetish content goes wild (DeviantArt) It needs to at least be categorized, even if it isn't necessarily porn.

(and if you come to an art site to fap, you're probably going to end up doing it to hentai anyway)

>> No.4065442

>>4065426
I think art enthusiast is a better term

>>4065430
Yes
Yes

>>4065435
>most people wouldn't fap to hentai

Lmao seriously?
most people would rather have hentai then most western hentai

>> No.4065445

>>4065430
> Allow comment disabling by creators?
ehhhhhhhhhhhh everyone knows the hell that deviantart is with comment disabling/deleting.
many artists will delete your comment for critiquing their work even slightly. it sounds good initially, but it's a downward spiral to an echo chamber.
The only case where I agree with this is in for portfolios you would actually show businesses (Are we even targeting that crowd?)

>> No.4065446

>>4065445

I think it should be all or nothing. Enable/disable. No moderation by creators for those reasons

They can still delete and repost though so we need to combat that too

>> No.4065468

>>4063820
I've been messing with that idea myself, although mine had both a blog with a gallery implementation (together and apart, as in you can blog your art but the reader can opt out of all the text and your non-art posts viewing only the gallery) and an anonymous image board with gallery integrations via trips, the latter would require heavy moderation tho.

From the way I see it, the platform should ask the user what content they want to see upon making an account, such as furry, anime and NSFW in general. If the user doesn't have an account the fringe content that would turn people off would be hidden from their view, and if they choose to not see the contents they won't be shown after making an account.

Also, since open discussion requires all groups –even the fringe ones– to partake in debate, the individual trends would serve the purpose of warning users about one another if, say, they try to open a furry scat porn artist's profile. Idk, maybe the community would police itself on its own with self-asignable tags, furries would probably be all over that since they'd be able to find degenerates alike rather easily. I guess moderation would also come into play for keeping these out of the spectator's gaze through a report system. If this sounds far fetched just seclude the fringes from replying non-fringe and get an anon general board.

I for one am all for ads on the page, I don't really care for them. I don't, however, like the idea of limiting the galleries to free users. I get the reasoning that it's better to get people to pay than host 3000+ images of scat porn from the same person free, each taking 2Mb, but that might end up hurting the good artists looking for a place to keep track of their work in the long run. You could even make it so moderators would curate accounts and decide whether or not they go one tier up from 20 images to 100 or something. Maybe a karma system, but that'd make it more like reddity. Idk, I'm just seeing what sticks rn.

>> No.4065471

>>4065468

Problem with ads is that we would most likely target an audience that is very aware of adblockers

>> No.4065473

>>4065471
imo do donations. ads pay pennies, and not having them means not locking down any content because of google ad policy.

>> No.4065474

>>4065430
>Allow multiple images in a non-comic post?
Yes.
>Allow comment disabling by creators?
Nah

>> No.4065475

>>4065473

It's a big gamble that people will donate..

>> No.4065482

>>4065475
I think it's a good risk to take. Think I referenced it before, but Anime Twist is still ad-free and donation supported. From what I've seen, they've been completely funded each month.

>> No.4065503

>>4065474
I don't think anyone should be allowed to disable comments or remove comments from their submissions either.
but it acts as a form of self moderation when someones getting harrassed by trolls.

>> No.4065510

>>4065446
Honedtly i dont think you should give users the power to delete/disable comments.
It leaves room and the potential to be abused, but at the same time its counter intuitive to the kind of art site /ic/ envisions. Like DA for example users will remove your comment if you give serious critique because they think youre being "mean" and it causes the site to become an echo chamber.

>> No.4065512

>>4065475
Open a patreon :^)
Just don't go full jew on us, not like we can stop you or anything...

>> No.4065525

>>4065468 here, just finished reading the rest of the thread.

I think the booru tag suggestions some anons mentioned could be applied to the creators, and the spectators voted up or down the tags with the moderation intervening need be, that'd be a good way to cheap out on AI and other programing hoops to seclude degenerates. I read too about power users and that idea fits with mine of giving benefits to good users, you could even (if you want and have the knowledge to) program an AI to give users a hidden score for reliability and reward those with more post slots, more powerful tagging power and such. Reliability would increase with proper tagging, low report rate and the likes while decreasing with not tagging properly (as a spectator or even a creator), poor rating (if starring becomes a thing), etc. The problem arises with the penalties, for a retarded userbase might win against an artist or art style they don't like, so moderation would need to come into play and reward the people falsely tagging/reporting, even if the majority, penalties.

>>4065471
Then advertise artists within the site itself, like artstation with the pro accounts. If you pay you get priority in the search results, but users are allowed to change the search parameters at will. Maybe give them a 1.5x boost in the front page hidden variable, the one that'll dictate what work is trending, unless you want to make that section curated, which would be one hell of a job to mods, but maybe that's a nice feature to power users, daily selecting works to be picked by mods to get featured, idk. The trendiness algorithm will be one hell of a thing to program.

>>4065446
How about, if going by the idea I proposed, making the galleries comment free with only an image description and the blog posts with free for all comments? That'd allow pros to share their galleries while making discussion unavoidable by having the post to the gallery automatically make a post to the blog, not necessarily vice versa.

>> No.4065535

>>4065503
The moderation comes from having moderators, sorta like how 4chan and every booru works

>> No.4065537

>>4063874
This exactly. A modern art site will be dead on arrival, there is no place for them anymore.
What you want instead is what tumblr did: a social media platform that drew in the fandom crowd and provided a space for artists to grow.

In my opinion, it would be good to make something more akin to pixiv if you want to go the NSFW route (have it on a different section to the site). Honestly if you just made pixiv but a more social media oriented version of it, you’d have something good on your hands.
Also something to consider, if you allow NSFW you won’t be able to get an app on the App Store. Which might seem like not a big deal but when the majority of people are using their phones/tablets to use the internet now instead of PC, it’s important to consider them. Pixiv gets away with having an app, so I guess the different button click for the R-18 section must work and be disabled in app or something.

Also I would personally be interested in a site that had actual moderation. Tumblr psychos practically doxxed artists in callouts for no reason and the mods never did anything about it. Was pretty discouraging being on the platform.

>> No.4065547

>>4065512

I mean kickstarter or gofundme or something would work as a proof of concept and to cover initial costs lol, not sure if patreon supports this kind of one-time pledge

>>4065503
>>4065510

Definitely not allowing people to delete comments on their work. But maybe disabling alltogether when posting a piece? Problem is they can delete old stuff and repost with comments disabled if comments are "mean".

>>4065525
Up/downvoting individual tags seems like a PITA tho?

+ developing a system that monitors tags by a user and rates it would be hard

The extra exposure in search or on sidebar/spotlight kind of thing is something to think about. I don't feel good about influencing the homepage, that needs to be legit, but search and site/top/bottom highlights could be sponsored yeah. Good one

How do we treat posts tho? Do blogs not show up in portfolio/gallery? Do they show differently in search? Just add a checkbox to select where to post, including on both blog and portfolio? This one is big since this dictates how users will use the site and portfolios

>>4065537

Definitely going social media style. Interaction is key, especially feedback and commissions. Maybe even add feedback style posts (tag) or as a category easily accessible from the top to encourage this

>> No.4065550

>>4065537

Apparently it's fine on the App Store if nsfw is hidden by default like reddit does

That's why we need zero tolerance for not tagging nsfw

>> No.4065556

Also anons without tripcodes, please add one if you want to help out or be a mod when it launches. Gonna need some ppl who have been here since this idea started when we launch

>> No.4065557

>>4065547
>I mean kickstarter or gofundme or something would work as a proof of concept and to cover initial costs lol, not sure if patreon supports this kind of one-time pledge
Nothing prohibiting you from doing both, patreon would be for long term consistent server costs.

>> No.4065561

>>4065557

Actually considering the huge creator base on patreon that's not a bad idea if we add tiers. Successful artists who make bank can do like $30 a month and anons can do $2 or something, just throwing out some numbers as an example

>> No.4065562

Alright I'm gonna type up a draft with specifics of how I'm seeing it atm with the inputs from all you guys, then we can use that as a base and discuss/modify accordingly

>> No.4065565

>>4065547
What is a PITA, if you don't mind me asking?

Yeah, I thought what I idealized would be hellish to code. It'd solve a lot of problems and save resources tho.

From what I pictured:
-all posts to the gallery need a blog counterpart, where all the discussion would be;
-all posts to the blog, including the ones linked to the gallery, would be notified to users;
-creators can post sketches, ideas, tangential things to the blog without interfering with the gallery;
-the galleries can have subdivisions for, say, 3d, 2d, sketches, etc., much like artstation with their folders.

>> No.4065567

>>4063822
You convinced me on the filter / separation part. (I don't want my work to be mixed with degenerates stuff )

>> No.4065572

>>4065565

>What is a PITA, if you don't mind me asking?

From what I understand you want you were talking about up/downvoting individual tags? Sounds a bit messy, the PITA was about keeping a scoreboard of all the up/downvotes for every single tag

>From what I pictured:

Alright so basically one option to post something: "add/new blog"

Then they can also check a box "Post to gallery/portfolio" where they choose the specific directory of their gallery where they want it

--

How do we show a portfolio item when a user comes from the search function? Inside the gallery there are no comments strictly speaking, so do we still show comments from the corresponding blog posts then? If yes whats the difference between showing a blog and showing a post (for a browsing user viewing an artist). Nothing aka exact same page/layout? Asking because this matters for how we code the backend system

>> No.4065578

Also thinking maybe we should just use a separate subdomain for the degenerate stuff to really set a barrier between "normal" content and furry/hentai etc. Don't want to offend anyone but you know what I mean. We can add a different header, clear layout differences so people who mainly browse for that stuff can do it there. That way you can also browse the regular site in public or at work etc. Basically a wall to separate the 2 types of content

Accounts and interaction would still work both ways, but maybe add an account flag to differentiate so when you click a profile of a furry nsfw artist, we can detect and block/warn accordingly if you're on the regular site

>> No.4065584

>>4065565
Sorry, glossed over a few specifics:
-all posts appear on the blog;
-the creator can choose to put the works from the blog on their galleries (maybe even after the fact, upon reflection and feedback).

>>4065572
I was thinking more like every user having a portfolio of works they tagged, and after moderators curate wether or not the tags are correct or the majority confirms the tags are correct every person to tag it properly before the fact would be awarded a percentile of the win, per say. Much like crypto with the people running the transactions getting a fraction, but with "prestige". The server wouldn't keep the scoreboard forever, it could wipe the data after confirmation, if that's the problem.

Basically that, yeah. You post to the blog and choose to put it in the galleries or not.

If the search is by artist, have them drop in gallery front page, if by tags have two buttons on the entry for either the blog or the gallery. Idk if that's what you meant tho. Why would a person finding the gallery entry need to see the comments from the blog? Can't we have a button on the gallery that leads to the corresponding blog post?

>>4065578
I elaborated on that in >>4065468, but I think it's not prudent to completely seclude them from the other parts of the site. If we include them they need to be part of the user base as much as everyone else, so having their own echo chamber would only cause harm to the providers of the echo chamber (us). The better alternative I see, if we're allowing furries and other degenerates, is to not show it to people that are not logged in and have them opt in or out from those niches in the account settings. If you're referring for a quick switch from everything the person has selected to see to only the sfw selections, maybe that would be an interesting implementation, yeah. Like Pixiv?

>> No.4065591

>>4065584

>Why would a person finding the gallery entry need to see the comments from the blog?

That seems the intuitive way, no? Let's say I search for "feedback drawing graphite" and find something I like, I'd want to immediately see the comments

I was thinking always showing the blog page for that specific post, regardless if they come from a feed or a gallery. I mean the media is the same so why not also include the comments/interaction. Seems weird to let them click to another page to see the comments but the same pic

So basically one kind of "view post" page. You can get there from gallery or from feed or whatever, but the page is always one page eg /post/id. If it's in the gallery we can show that with a link to that directory and maybe prev/next. If it's not, don't show anything gallery related

>> No.4065595

Should we make blog text posts editable? The "let me edit posts" meme on Twitter is going strong.

>> No.4065597

Thinking about it now, what will be all the user interactions within the site? Aka how can they come in contact with one another's works and discuss about them?

From what I gathered there'll be a frontpage with featured works, a search page for searching works and artists by either tags or name, individual blog entries with comments, gallery works, a side bar somewhere for sponsored users, follows, maybe the booru tagging system... That's for what, four pages, five?

>> No.4065601

>>4065595
Yeah, there's no need to have it set in stone once posted, mistakes and typos require a repost otherwise and blog posts can be much longer than tweets, if someone wants to save someone else's blog post before it's edited/deleted they should use a third party site like archive.is/archive.org (in the case of twitter people have made specialized websites for that like https://tweetsave.com/))

>> No.4065626

>>4065597

Username tagging, DM functionality, commission system.

That's basically it I think. Focus should be easy sharing and browsing.

Social links on a creators profile ofcourse, link to patreon, youtube etc. Also maybe tripcode for IC so posts here can be verified? Solves the whole pyw comments here, just reply once with your tripcode and username and ppl can see you know what you're talking about or not

>> No.4065635

>>4065556
How far are you? Did you already start coding?
What twech are/will you use?

>> No.4065638

>>4065626
I'll sketch somethings out, I think the front page and the search page can be merged to save on data transfers, but idk if it's even prudent to consider optimization at this stage and for this sort of project.

>> No.4065653

How will this increase exposure?

An artist generally doesn't make money from other artists. If you're working on just a gallery/portfolio might as well use artstation or your own website.
Instagram/tumblr/twitter are superior to "art communities" because of the reach. All they need is a better tagging system.

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Is this any good for our purposes? Idk about that menu, seemed cool at the time but idk how to translate into mobile browser. I'm also not sure what would go into the blogs, nor what the pallet should be

>> No.4065802

>>4065770
dayum son, what do you think you're doing actually making useful stuff?

>> No.4065814

>>4065802
Is it really? I just feel like that pic is a good example of really bad web-dev decisions in the UX front. That notification page and the image viewer need to change semi-urgently.

>> No.4065823

One of the things I was thinking is that the search function by tags needs to be intuitive for the average Joe, so it'd be better to have a list on the side and all the tags greyed out, one click turns it green (?) and only shows works/artists with that tag and two clicks turns the tag red (?) to exclude all works and artists with that tag.

Also, will there be a separation of user tags and work tags? I feel that'd also add a lot of complexity to the search function, maybe it'd be prudent to put the tags under "advanced" expose only "country", "language", "field", etc. things every user can use effectively. Then again, why have such a complex tag system if the userbase wont use it that often?

>> No.4065826

>>4065770

Why you going so fast I need to practise my loomis heads first reeeeeeee

I'll check it out later

>> No.4065831

>>4065561
I think it patreon isn't really a good idea
Patreon takes 10% in fees
Kickstarter takes 5%
Gofundme or ko-fi dosen't take fees
So are good to cut down on sites fees

>> No.4065846

>>4065826
I already had several of the pages on XD, I just drew them in PS and added some notes.

... now that you said that I remembered I had a fuck ton of shit to draw, fuck.

-=-

Before I go: I'm not very fond of the dashboard as is. Would it be better to make it a feed of sorts, like a blog made of the posts of the people you follow? Maybe have collapsed blog posts and DMs, clicking on them to expand. Idk, I need to think some more about that. As for the image viewer, should the tags be always visible or be hidden to the public? Maybe the tags only show in the blog post instead of in the viewer/gallery.

>> No.4065874

Another thing that just crossed my mind: what is the focus of the website? To me it seems like there is a clash between the blogs and the galleries. For example, the strongest UX aspect is that of blogging and having a feed where to see the posts of the people you follow, but the main page as we devised is all about the galleries and artwork. To have the feed "hidden" under a menu will only hinder its use.

My opinion then becomes that it's best to either have the feed and the featured works show in the front page, leaving the chat tab only for transactions and DMs or to forget about the featured works and put only the feed in the front page, but to know for sure we must establish what will be the selling point of the site.

>> No.4065901

>>4065308
Artism

>> No.4066032

Okay, I'm going to start building a prototype of my thing. I'm still helping with other projects here, but I actually want to get down to programming it instead of just talking.
After the prototype is done, I'll refine it into a pre-alpha you guys can play around with.

>> No.4066033

>>4066032
And damn I still need to do art too lol. I'll probably be working on it on the side to not overtake my main work.

>> No.4066117

>>4065171
I do think the ability to post anonymously would be invaluable for creating an environment where artists are able to provide healthy criticism to each other without social shit getting in the way.
The simplest way to implement this would be to let any user post anonymously from their account by checking an "anonymize" box on the post they do not want their name attached to. Artists should not be given the option to disable comments or even anonymous comments entirely - you don't want to encourage the kind of mentality that option breeds - but it should be possible to report anonymous posts, and for users to be banned from posting anonymously if they are abusing their anonymity to be huge cunts.

>> No.4066143

>>4065426
>I think we need to split the artist types like you said but non artists need only one label imo, "fan" or whatever. Non artists don't care about their profiles (assumption)
You'd be surprised.
Commissionfags likely want a place to upload their stuff and point to the people who made it for them.

>> No.4066165

>>4066117
>Can't delete comments
>delete entire post

>> No.4066173

>>4066165
>reading comprehension

>> No.4066183

>>4066117
>abusing their anonymity to be huge cunts.
basically 4chan kek

>> No.4066210

>>4066183
the ratio of shitposts and low-effort posts to quality posts is genuinely pretty good on the smaller boards, though. If you would rather have ten people reply to your content with posts consisting entirely of one-word sentences and emojis, than be called a faggot by one, be my guest.

>> No.4066255

>>4065823
Boorus have hundreds if not thousands of tags, it'd be a disaster to try and have a sidebar with all of them. Maybe you could have the 50 most active tags that week be on a sidebar? But that still might be clunky

>> No.4066394

>>4063820
please just give us a decent place to post comics, thats literally all I want

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>>4063820
For monetization you could have 20ish image slots somewhere on the front page (thinking ArtStation type front page) that change daily and cost a certain price to be on. Thus whales that want to promote their work or whatever can cash out on that.

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>> No.4066420

>>4066406
I don't like the idea of giving users the opportunity of paying for exposure.

That way any rich retard could get their autistic scribblings on the front page.

>> No.4066428

>>4066420
I think it's a reasonable way to keep the site afloat, though I do wonder what would happen if creepy fetish artists happened to be the ones paying. Would they just not be allowed?

Why not add a paid premium, but instead of it locking how much art you can upload, add customizable profiles. Changing your username can also be locked under the premium, too.

>> No.4066430

>>4066420
Yes, that's the point. You exploit the base most likely to use it, the great artists will be on the front page in the normal slots.

>> No.4066435

>>4066255
I was thinking about that too. Can we make people have favorite tags and those would be displayed on top of the list in, say, a yellowish tone, then the rest of the tags default to a mix of trendy tags and all time most used tags, like "bowsette" and "concept art"? Something like the twitter TT, maybe. The average joe shouldn't need to mess much with the tags to find the popular stuff, they'd only need to mess with them if they wanted to find the less popular stuff, they'd already expect to have to do that if you come from an UX standpoint.

>> No.4066447

>>4066406
There's also the option of auctioning, say, four slots in the front page of we want the mega jewery. The period the slot belongs to the person is 28 days, one slot getting auctioned every week, four slots for sfw and four for nsfw.

:^)

>> No.4066449

>>4066406
>>4066428
*ahem*

DONAAAATIONS
LITERALLY EVERYONE WINSSSSS

>> No.4066460

>>4066406
I don't like this idea either
I think we could have a permium gallery
Where artists can put stuff and just a take a percentage

Also we could have some extra silly features like changing name color or have it glow, differnet font etc

>>4066449
This and probably give donators a cool badge or something lol

>> No.4066465

>>4066117
No.

>> No.4066470

>>4066465
Curious why not.

>> No.4066472

>>4065525
>daily selecting works to be picked by mods to get featured, idk.
Can you guarantee "the mods" would be able to distinguish good art from intermediate art that shouldn't be on the front page?

>> No.4066480

>>4065556
Based trip dev, count me in!

>> No.4066496

>>4066435
>then the rest of the tags default to a mix of trendy tags and all time most used tags, like "bowsette" and "concept art"?
Why not just have a dropdown where you can pick between the two? Have it default to most popular that week

>> No.4066502

>>4066496
We can, but then again: what would make for the best user experience?

>> No.4066507

>>4066502
It's really hard to say without any users. If you're trying to appeal to actual hardcore artists then it may be worth making the UX a little more fiddly in exchange for more accuracy. If you want to appeal to norms then yeah I guess have things be as streamlined as you can

>> No.4066522

>>4066496
>>4066502
Or we could still have a dropdown, but save the user's choice in a cookie. Next time the user visits, the cookie will be loaded and the appropriate tags will be shown.

>> No.4066822

>>4065426
>>Setting user profile type
>I think we need to split the artist types like you said but non artists need only one label imo, "fan" or whatever. Non artists don't care about their profiles (assumption)
From the other comments, isn't this new site is supposed to be more like an enhanced Twitter+DeviantArt rather than just an enhanced DeviantArt in order to bring in more people? Many non-artists would be happy having more options to tailor their identity *because* they don't/can't create anything else. Not to mention, having more stuff for "art curators" gives more incentive to use the site since they can already get their fix of artwork and more from other sites.

>>An imageboard comment style for all posts on the site
>Have to disagree here. I think just comments is fine, maybe with the option to have a "feedback comment" with more option eg post image for redlining etc as discussed earlier
I was mainly thinking of the features of being able to attach an image in a reply (like you said) and being able to quote multiple replies with a link/popup preview. I think those are good for getting people to reply to (and engage) more people rather than settling for a parent reply to the OP only which often happens.

>>4066117
>let any user post anonymously from their account by checking an "anonymize" box
I disagree in general with the "anonymous is better" idea for art learning but this implementation is just going to cause more work for mods with anons stalking non-anons, non-anons reporting anons mainly for being anon, or dummy accounts to make anon posts (to look like multiple people), etc. Situations often won't be a simple "X person is wrong, BANNED". No anonymous posting will keep things simpler to manage. Anonymity is also part of what keeps people here from making the connections they want which leads them to ask for new art sites to be made.

>> No.4066844

Let's get this down: this site won't be where artists will farm a following, from the get go the ideas are towards making an environment for creators and not spectators. From the frontpage being of featured works to having exclusive galleries, this is a website by artists and for artists, it's for the art community.

If the idea is to make a replacement for Twitter/IG, which have broader userbases and tackle topics of all sorts, it's going to sink. If it is, however, a place for artists to post their works, make a portfolio, meet other artists, all that jazz, then that's a whole new beast of its own.

I didn't think about this matter much yesterday due to lack of sleep, but we need to set in stone what the page will be, else it's bound to sink. There's no way to please everyone, it's unfathomable to make a site both for the general public and for the art community. There needs to be a compromise.

>> No.4066867

>>4066844
Well if artists use it they could link their page on it from other social media
So we need to consider the spectators visiting it at least

>> No.4066957

>>4065770

More or less how I view it too. Not exactly specifics like colors etc but main outline. Not really understanding the search page tho, or is that without the actual results? We need a large grid for search results imo

>>4065846

Yeah definitely a feed, a feed of things you follow/subscribed to + maybe ads/spotlight/premium posts if we have to

>>4066032

ngmi but good luck

>>4066117

Actually liking this idea combined with delete option + delete after x days or delete after x time of inactivity

>>4066394

I got you senpai

>>4066406

Yes!

>>4066428

Limit to SFW and definitely needs mod approval before it gets made public

>>4066447

This is good stuff especially longterm

>>4066480

I am as based as they come my dear anon

>>4066496
>>4066502
>>4066522

Leaning towards twitter's system here. Trending hashtags aka trending/popular tags. Alltime doesn't have much value it's all about the now imo. We don't need "avengers" and "endgame" tags a year later just because ppl massive searched for them when it released

>>4066822

Anonymous posting will be anonymous for the users, not for the system/mods. It's still posted with the account, regular users just don't see the username/id.

>>4066844

The way i see it is a place to connect the regular public with good artwork. A hybrid between twitter/ig and deviantart or something. I don't see why we have to compromise if we have a hard divide between creator functionality and "fan" functionality.

>>4066867

Definitely linking with social media, patreon etc.

--

One anon asked about tech, I'm writing in Node.js, backend will be postgres, server nginx, host digitalocean, cdn undecided. If any techanons want justifications or discussions about that feel free to quote

>> No.4066960

>>4066957

*backend = node, database = postgres before some dev wants to fight me irl

>> No.4066972

>>4066957
Answering your reply to >>4066844 :

I don't think it's prudent to make it only about art and expect the general public to come flocking. IG, Twitter and FB work as ways to grow people's followings because the users are not limited to one interest group, everyone can use the platform and get it tailored with content to their liking. What made DeviantArt pop was the art community, and the site focused on that community alone but in an even broader sense of "art" since they allowed from illustrations to wood working.

Let me elaborate:
DeviantArt = made for artists with content by artists
Twitter = made for everyone with content by everyone
ArtStation = made for the industry and for artists with content by artists
Our idea = made for everyone with content by artists

There needs to be an incentive for the public to go to the page, be it to meet other artists, to find people to hire, etc, as is now IG does that job, and it's a lost battle to try to compete against IG by only catering to artists and art enthusiasts for IG reaches everyone with their platform.

With that in mind, tailoring the service towards the average Joe wouldn't necessarily appeal to the art community, and having the selling point of the site the art community wouldn't necessarily appeal to the average Joe.

Did I make things even more confusing?

>> No.4066980

>>4066972

How about made for artists and enthusiasts with content by artists? Think pinterest, where users can collect stuff. Basics stay the same (starring content) but users will be able to see all their starred stuff. That way people who just like to look at art and collect can also use it. The general public will not create an account and will only view links when sent to them.

So basically what we discussed in regards to artist functionality, but add this for the users who don't create anything themselves. Pseudo hybrid basically

>> No.4066983

Regardless I think we also need to allow other content like writing, sculpting etc. Some other anon mentioned this and I think this would expand the userbase significantly. Thinking we would need hard categories for those distinctions.

>> No.4066987

>>4066957
Answering your reply to >>4065770 :

The search results are the orange blocks, they are the blog posts including the artwork. Alternatively it'd return a block with the artist gallery/profile and the their user tags.

Replying to your reply to >>4065846 :

The problem then becomes what I mentioned in >>4065874 where if we want a feed we need to make it the main selling point due to UX, that's the concept of a feed. If we have blogs we need a feed, and the way to go with a feed is for it to be the frontpage since that'd be where the users would spend the most time on, like it is in Facebook, Twitter and IG. If the Feed is in the front page, the featured works would either not enter the front page or fight for attention with the feed.

ArtStation and DeviantArt have featured artworks on their front page, but they are gallery websites. Facebook, Twitter and IG have feeds in their front page, but they are "blogging" websites. You see where I'm coming from? It'd be a clusterfuck unless done like pixiv's mastodom client, where the gallery and the blog are two separate things, and the blog competes with other social networks that are far more powerful due to appealing to every interest.

Idk if this is high level meta UX talk, but it seems intuitive to me that the average Joe wouldn't want to meddle in our service.

>>4066980
I think it's prudent, but I also don't know what is the advantage we'd offer to artists already doing great on IG and Twitter for them to only link their gallery entries hosted by us on their social medias. There's also no way to integrate with IG since you are required to post images to their services, with Twitter and Facebook users can simply link in the post. We'd be able to grow the service via Twitter and FB or through word of mouth, basically.

>>4066983
It's fair, I guess.

-=-

I just realized the name could be simply "gallery". It's intuitive enough, imo.

>> No.4066992

>>4066987

Reddit has the distinction between personal feed and "frontpage/all", we could do that? Start on personal and add a button/link to frontpage, which would basically serve as a way to find cool stuff in general.

Tumblr has both image/video and text type posts, right? I don't see why it wouldn't work. I'd just make blog/text not a default when searching stuff but opt-in. That's why I mentioned the search results, I'd make media default and show a grid with all the results (think deviantart), and then add tabs for blogposts, user accounts, etc.

Think patreon. Usually people post media but they can just do a text post. And 100% of the time that's just relevant to the followers. Let's say you could search on patreon from all creators (ignore subscription model), then you'd just want the media to show up, no? Not the text posts saying "hey I'm on vacation I'll be back in a week".

IG stories have swipe up URL's. But yeah posts are difficult, though people get around that with a bio link, text in the post etc

>> No.4067012

>>4063820
I wanted to do this, fuck you for beating me to the punch

>> No.4067013

>>4067012
U can still do it, and undercut OP by making it free

>> No.4067020

>>4066430
Well that's retarded because all the rich furries and autistic welfarequeens will pay to have the front page filled with their degeneracy.

>> No.4067025

It's good you're figuring out what you're aiming for before getting too bogged down in feature ideas and specifics, stuff like
>>4066844
>>4066972
are good points to find out what your target is, and once that's defined, find out what sets you apart from other websites in that area that will give good reason for audience, consumers to actually bother using it.

>> No.4067028

>>4067013

Yeah and pay hundreds or thousands of dollars a month in maintenance cost. Also 100's of hours of dev work

Also GL since I already have a base project I use for my work with a custom user system and lots of other code to implement relatively fast. If you wanna compete with /our/ site you better bring your A game fren

>>4067020

Nah we'll separate degenerate stuff from the main stuff

>> No.4067030

If you need a backend developer, I can help. Work with C#. However, I need to wagecuck, so it would only be in my spare time.
>>4067020
I'd say give 1/3 of frontpage slots for payers, rest for automatically selected non-payers.

>> No.4067086

>>4063820
I hate webcomics so much. You're left waiting for the punchline that never fucking comes.

>> No.4067117

Just please don't name it something retarded like pillowfort.

>> No.4067184

>>4067028
>Nah we'll separate degenerate stuff from the main stuff
Speaking of: How exactly is stuff getting divvied up? What kinds of what are going to be grouped.

Also speaking of ideas I have a possibly not-retarded idea. What if front page slots were sold like how YouTube does AdSense? Specific slots get shown to specific demographics. So if a furfag just wants to advertise to furfags they can do so and so those slots are in a way still available to be shown to other users. Its possibly scummy as fuck since you're basically double-dipping on your ad income but it (somewhat) prevents whales from stealing every single slot since there are effectively as many slots as there are types of users
>>4067030
One third is a hell of a lot. You're basically letting rich kids dominate the userbase. Even scummy art sites like FA only take up maybe 5% the screen with ads

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>>4066430
That's not a good thing.
It would just lead to the richest users dominating the front page every week while everyone else thats too broke to do the same will go ignored.

>> No.4067284

>>4067202
This

Instead we could have a sponsored tab
Promoting artists and products etc in a monthly basis

>> No.4067325

>>4066957

I think we should explore the mod system more:

>should mod accounts be anonymous or, should they be designated? Mods could (and maybe should) also be artists

>how strict would moderating be?
Do we want draconian moderation like the one /le reddit/ has?
We certainly don't want moderation as relaxed as >>>/b/
I think we should aim at something in the middle, with zero tollerance to the exceptions you pointed out.

>mods should be able to "move" submissions that were set to an incorrect category (for lack of a better word), the easiest example being, a nsfw submission in the sfw domain

>how would mods delete submissions?
I'm thinking we could have direct delete option (for things such as spam), and we could "mark for deletion", this would hide the submission from anyone but its author, send a notification to them, and have the system automatically delete the submission in 2 days, unless it's edited by the author and then approved by a mod.

>mods should also have a specialied interface for dealing with reports, but they should also be able to look at a list of e.g. the last 100 actions of all mods

>we could just warn users with small offenses, instead of rightout banning them. the system can automatically count 5 warnings = ban or something like that.

>what are some ways to ensure there won't be mod abuse?
We still don't know exactly what powers will the mods have (besides ban, warning, edit, delete), we certainly shouldn't give mods the power to pick what art should be on the front page (how can we guarantee that a mod won't put art only from their fav artist, or how can we guarantee the mods are even competent enough to pick good art in the first place). Let's leave that to the algorithm.

If you can think of anything else that needs to be discussed about the moderation system I'd be glad to give more feedback.

>> No.4067712

>>4067117
Canvas Castle?

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>>4067028
>Also GL since I already have a base project I use for my work with a custom user system and lots of other code to implement relatively fast.
Well a lot of people has previous work that can be used for new projects lol.
You don't even need that desu, if you use a framework like Laravel you get things like a pretty decent user system with login, reigster and forgotten password out of the box, among other things. Downside there is writing in PHP I guess, but you're writing the backend in javascript so don't try and tell me that's any better.

>>4066957
>One anon asked about tech, I'm writing in Node.js, backend will be postgres, server nginx, host digitalocean, cdn undecided.
No frontend technologies? Are you writing your site is in plain js, html and css? Pretty web 1.0 tier. Though I guess I'm biased since I'm a fulltime React dev at the moment.

I'm working on my own site at the moment and it kinda floats some of the same ideas you guys have thrown around in this thread, though I'm not really concerned with attracting normies / non-artists. I think that market is way too hard to break into. Just a more niche for-and-by-artists kinda thing for artists who are looking to improve and build the drawing habit, quite similar to the vision LAS operates with, though I'm not as focused on streaks, challenges and whatnot. My biggest problem I think is a lack of vision for what features to include and focus on / promote and the overarching design of the website. Absolute shit at UX. Def yoinking some ideas from this thread tho, a lot of good posts. Already a lot of overlap with my own ideas, though.

You guys should def do more of >>4065770 before you get too hard into programming it. Some screenshots of the thing as it is atm. Mostly having ideas for features and then stealing styling from other sites for it (imgur, artstation..) since I'm bad at design, wish I had a designer so I could just implement shit.

>> No.4067865

>>4067816
That prototype page looks damn nice so far.
Will users have the option to personalize their homepages?

>> No.4067870

>>4067816
based w, just don't randomly nuke the site like last time

>> No.4067871

>>4067816
That image looks really cluttered. What is it, a schedule? An art challenge leaderboard? An image sharing site?

If we ever want to finish this website, we should be doing a couple things well.

>> No.4067889

>>4067816
also
> No frontend technologies? Are you writing your site is in plain js, html and css? Pretty web 1.0 tier. Though I guess I'm biased since I'm a fulltime React dev at the moment.
I'm using Bootstrap. I'm not going to import a huge framework like React for UI that's going to be pretty simple (or *should* be simple.)

>> No.4067963

>>4067870
desu idk if I'll ever really finish it, it's just been in perpetual dev hell since I don't have an MVP in mind for when it's done enough for people to use. (tho it's useable right now I guess..)

>>4067865
It's something I've thought about, I just don't have enough different things for the homepage/dashboard yet for there really to be much choice to be made. Being able to choose sizes and positions of stuff could be cool to try making, though. Plopped it in the backlog.

>>4067871
The screenshot might've made it look more cluttered that it actually is, but like I said I don't really know what features I want to promote and how I want to arrange everything, so I've just been kinda plopping things in. The general idea behind the site is improving at art, so I've just been thinking about different things that might be useful, like a weekly schdule or a timer.

The frontpage atm is a schedule and an image gallery of the latest posts mainly. The mid section is a lil leaderboard for how many hours people have put in for different months and then a slot for something I'm not sure yet. I might end up completely chaning the dashboard.

I def agree doing a few things well is better than doing a lot of things badly, but I don't think I've gone that far with it yet. There are maybe 3-4 main features so far: posting and viewing sets of images as a submission (and a gallery of all submissions and a single person's), a streak for uploading daily, a weekly scheduler, a timer, submission comments and notifications for comments and various other things. (+ ability to change theme of site).

>>4067889
Well, bootstrap is pretty bloated, I'm not using any css frameworks like that, just React. Everything is code split and lazy loaded so the user only loads the parts they view on screen, so I think it's a pretty performant site in comparison to most. Personally I find it (or Vue, angular etc) essential to be able to write a frontend that feels sleek.

>> No.4068051

>>4067963
very nice so far
i could help with design if you would like anon

>> No.4068062

>>4063820
Tumblr's strength was that the site had a shitload of non-artists as well who would stumble upon and share your art and that way you would gain following outside artist circles as well. If you only have a site for artists it needs to be fucking massive like dA back in the day, or you'll have to grow your following elsewhere as well.

>> No.4068109

>>4067816
Imagine writing PHP in current year, someone should make a virgin PHP vs chad C# (ASP.NET, ASP.NET Core). Just kidding anon, I've also only recently moved to web dev with C# (after making numerous large desktop projects with it in the last 10+ years)

>> No.4068131

Should we make whole blogs/galleries NSFW like Twitter, or do it per post? I don't want to make the posting process too complicated.

>> No.4068137

>>4068131
Probably keep it to single posts. People keeping track of NSFW alts is a big hassle

>> No.4068171

>>4067816

Opie on mobile here

Lol PHP. Node is future. Also vanilla ES7/8 >>>> bloated frameworks

React is good for intensive model-ui binding, not necessary here

Also now we have 3 projects lol

>> No.4068218

>>4068171
>Opie on mobile here
Put the trip on or stop larping

>> No.4068230

>>4068109
>>4068171
Well to each their own, I think most web technologies today are more or less the same if you use them correctly. Maybe PHP will give all your requests a 50 ms overhead compared to a GOlang equivalent cause it's a shit, but I don't really care about micro optimizations like that for hobby / smaller personal projects. Whatever lets me make features in a reasonable amount of time and keeps tidy I'm good mane.

You might convince me otherwise with some kickass projects.

My project's hosted at https://justdraw.lol, if anyone wanna click/dick around, though don't start using it unironically, since I still clear the database regularly and haven't setup a cdn / s3 bucket for the image uploads yet so they'll all also be deleted eventually.
You'll have to register a user (can leave email blank) to see the dashboard, the intro page for guests is just blank still, haven't gotten around to it yet.

>>4068051
If you wanna click around in the link above and have any good ideas I'm all ears, whether on smaller details, colors etc or the whole site design / layout. Though generally I feel the site's still too much in the ideas phase for me to really ask for much help, I gotta organize my thoughts on what I want with it before asking others to give me feedback.

>> No.4068243

>>4063822
>t's meant for art. If you're into drawing things that are legally questionable, look elsewhere.
So why would we use this instead of any other established site

Make an anything legal goes platform already, lolicons, shotacons, gore, everything

>> No.4068247

>>4068230
alright, just a question
how far do you intend for this project to go?

>> No.4068254

>>4068247
Hope you're not confusing me with OP, I'm kind of off-topic derailing with my own shitty project.

It's just a hobby project for me to hammer away at until I think it's finished. If it ever gets over like 100 users in it's final form I'd consider that a greater success than I could've hoped for. More likely I'll be the sole poster and I'll just use it to catalog my own progress.
I'll eventually be adding graphs and statistics to how often you draw and for how long, how much time you spend on different things (by tags on submissions) etc. Hopefully I can get some use out of it even if there's no userbase.

>> No.4068292

>>4068218

Tripped, it was me

>>4068230

It's more about speed of development, easy of use, code sharing on client- & serverside, low mem footprint, event-based, exploitability and tons of other stuff. But you're right, end users don't care what tech is behind it

>>4068243

No you degenerate

>>4067325

>I think we should explore the mod system more:

Honestly I was thinking picking some anons to be mods to start with, that's why I asked for tripcodes itt. Then wing it from there. Definitely a mod log with every action visible for all mods, too many websites have mod power abuse

I know this is 4chan but I don't want legal issues or be known as a degenerate platform. Like you said, middle ground. Not gonna tolerate a bunch of hate words in comments for example since that'll isolate the site from mainstream. I used to frequent /biz/ for example, definitely don't want that. /ic/ is pretty decent, there's some racism and stuff but I find that most anons here are chill, harsh comments are mostly art related

There will be a difference between admin team & mods. Admins will have more power but we have to work these things out as it goes. I'll be creating a modular system so we can add/remove rights & roles as we go

>> No.4068306

>>4068254
hey 4chan started the same way who's knows
i could see a promising idea or 2 behind it but make me a co-founder lol jk
anyway i'll give my insights later cuz i need sleep

>>4068292
hope i still can call people fags

>> No.4068312

>>4068243
>Make an anything legal goes platform already, lolicons, shotacons, gore, everything
There are a million chans for that. Putting shota and loli is either going to start a flamewar between moralfags and lolicons or drive away anyone who isn't into that stuff already, which would just make the site DOA

>> No.4068654

>>4065277
>>4065292
You could also make it so that users can up- and downvote tags and add new tags themselves. That way if the uploader misses a tag someone else can add it, but on the other hand if someone tries to troll by adding obviously false tags the community can clean them away.

>> No.4068663

>>4068243
Because all the other sites suck ass and dont cater to artists.
And any site that tries to host loli and gore is essentially going to be avoided by normies which will ultimately kill the site.

>> No.4068749

>>4063822
>If you're into drawing things that are legally questionable, look elsewhere.
>I'm thinking we should divide between SFW, NSFW (artistic), NSFW (explicit aka porn)
>hiding posts
Big oof. Enjoy wasting time and money on a failed website with no benefits.

>> No.4068758

>>4068749
It's not hiding posts, it's just sectioning off. Legally speaking NSFW has to be separated or opted into in some way so there's already that. And like I said earlier, allowing loli and shota is just going to either create eternal flamewars or permanently brand the site as a home to pedophiles (regardless of your stance on whether or not loli is actually for pedos the wider market has already made up its mind). The "benefits" should be self-evident: a functional image categorization and search system, and an actual community rather than the eternal dogfight that is twitter and IG, among other things.

>> No.4069224

>>4068749
Thank goodness youre just a random degernate who has no real influence on this project.
Idiots like you are why 8ch no longer exists.

>> No.4069331

I honestly don't know what to fucking do for policies and guidelines. When the pre-alpha version rolls around, I'm going to end up throwing out a list of standards and have you guys write them.

What I'm thinking here is that content that could be seen as offensive (loli, shota, borderline racism but not /pol/) gets moved to a second domain (pandon?) The thread is completely inaccessible unless you know the archive domain. Illegal content
That brings its' own problems. Users who wanted to host that content regularly would be incentivized to keep posting on the regular service until it got moved to the archive. People would cry censorship. Being a situation like Tumblr's seems far away, but realistically, all it takes is getting a few popular creators mad for everyone to leave.

As much as I hate to admit it, we need the normies and Tumblrites, or none of this will work.

>> No.4069332

>>4069331
* archive URL
* Illegal content gets removed completely

On mobile. Type hard.

>> No.4069480

>>4068663
it works for eastern sites and others
now westerners flock to eastern sites just so they can post and find all types of material
with a proper filter options a western anything goes artsite would be great

OPs idea is dumb anyway, he wants to make a site to compete with the big boys while offering no advantage and going directly against the morals of this site he even loses hissupport from here

there is literally no benefit or outlier to ops idea that would draw people in.

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>>4063820

>> No.4069577

>>4069573
its more like
"there are 14 different standards but we dont have the rights to a single one"
what, thats riduculous, I want a piece of the pie
now there are 15 standards

>> No.4069591

>>4069573
doesn't mean the existing standards can't be improved ;)

>> No.4069658

>>4069573
This project isn't to develop a universal standard, it's to fill a niche in a market. It's not like there's some open source art website that just needs more devs

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barely done with anything, just wanted to confirm i'm still actually making it. pre-alpha, so all UI will probably change and be more polished.

some of the backend is done, but it's not ready to be implemented into the frontend, and isn't stable enough to be used for an alpha.

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>>4069939

>> No.4069951

>>4069939
I don't think I've explained the core gallery/blog structure yet, but I'll probably save those spicy details for the alpha ver.

>> No.4070142

>>4069939
>>4069944
>>4069951

Have you ever developed a production site? That's not how it goes. You need a basic outline, a plan, a UI set in your mind (at the very least, better on paper) etc

You one of those Indian guys who read 3 Java tutorials and calls himself a dev anon? Do you have a fiverr account?

>> No.4070485

>>4070142
Yes, I've built production sites and apps before, and I've already made those outlines and paper flowcharts. I'm not just building it as I go. I've been a freelance developer for more that 7 years.

>> No.4070495

>>4070142
The way I also build most of my apps is that I'll build a "hack" version first, with the minimal features required to "work" and basic UI.
After that, I add more styles and features until launch. It keeps things focused.

>> No.4070512

>>4070495
Don't bother answering to that faggotry. He sounds like your typical play professional jackoff who doesn't know what an MVP is or that the real work is almost always done by people hacking together shit while the cleaned-up end result is rarely if ever dependent on something as arbitrary as the process to get to it.

>> No.4070599

Oh, this and the other thread are kind of what I've been looking for, especially after the way panda went and almost died. I have some ideas I'd like to offer about a potentially related program because I'm really frustrated there hasn't been anything really great. But I don't know if it's a new or old or good or bad idea in practice. I kind of wrote a really long wall of text about it that would span several posts. But the basic idea is an application that's a content browser for local files that can also connect online to servers in order to act as a content browser for those servers, but the main feature that would make this actually worthwhile is the tagging system that's based around the UI and UX of folders, so that they're as easy to use and have the advantages of both kinds of organizational structures. And I have a bunch of ideas around how this system could be used to encourage content organization online, and encourage content archival.

Should I just post the wall of text?

>> No.4070604

>>4070599
ye sure

>> No.4070652

>>4070599
You could just pastebin it if it's really long.

The thing being offline but possible to go online sounds weird though, eitehr something's uploaded and it's available to everyone or it's not. Do you mean you could both use the site to archive / organize your local stuff, but also incorporate stuff other's choose to upload? Why not just upload everything.
Kinda sounds like just a booru would work for you though.

>> No.4072393

Bump.

>> No.4072504

>>4070142
The fuck are you on about, doing very basic versions/drafts of a website is as good as making tons of stupid, unreadable diagrams IF that's how you prefer your workflow. Just because IT-illiterate drones of corporate middle management love their diagrams and powerpoint presentations doesn't mean it's the be-all-end-all of design, especially when you're working on something alone or in a (very) small team.

>> No.4072549

If I get banned for calling out somebodies shit art I ain't joining.
If the user base will be a safety circle we have no use for it

>> No.4072679

>>4072549
Define "calling out". Giving a /beg/ some criticism and starting resources is all good. Being a dick to them is not.

Sure we here on 4chan have thick skin, but it's normies we are talking about. Speaking to normies is a form of art of itself.

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>>4072549
Learn the difference between actually giving someone constructive advice and just being an autistic dickhead.

If you can't do that then good riddens.

>> No.4074006

>>4072679
>>4072702
Calling somebodies floating anime eye, classroom doodle "bad" and linking them resources isn't being a dickhead.
If people like you cunts will come ass-kiss every person who "just started drawing teehee" and treat them like toddlers then your website will be shit like all the others.
You just assume i'd call your art absolute trash and that's it, incorrect. I will call it absolute trash and link you a years worth of learning resources. If just being mean :((((( to you is the only metric then it will be a facebook tier hugbox

>> No.4074064

>>4074006
Woah dude. Calm down. No need to get buttchuffed

>> No.4074138

>>4074006
As I said before, learn the difference and stop being an autistic asshat.

>> No.4074191

Have you guys decided on a name for the site yet?
I was thinking maybe "Mosa/ic/" or "Drawplanet"
>inb4 its named after some weird animal
Maybe we should do lsd to come up with ideas. Apparently thats how hot wheels came up with 8ch.

>> No.4074865

>>4074006
>Calling somebodies floating anime eye, classroom doodle "bad" and linking them resources isn't being a dickhead.
I fully agree with this.

Did you read my post? I said:
>Giving a /beg/ some criticism and starting resources is all good
But imo calling them names is not. Anons won't care if you call them a faggot or a nigger, but normies will.

>>4074191
We should probably make a poll.

>> No.4075464

Started working on the backend. I fucking hate Firebase, but it requires minimal setup, which is perfect for an MVP.
also working on art and this at the same time is tough~

>> No.4075858

Also, what do you guys think about mute/block?
I understand the need for tools to prevent *actual* harassment, but I don't want it to devolve into Twitter levels of misuse.

>> No.4075921

>>4075858
Honestly mute is a godsend feature. It prevents butthurt over seeing that someone blocked you, and if somebody wants to put themselves in a bubble they'll figure out a way to do it regardless of if we give them the tools

>> No.4076184

>>4075858
>>4075921
I say don't implement mute/block, let the users report a message if they think it's harassment and let the mods handle it from there.
>b-but muh targeted harassment
mods will be able to mute a user for a period of time.
What I'm trying to say is leave moderating to the moderators. If we let the users self-moderate, it would encourage tumblr-style "safe spaces", where even the slightest critique is considered "hate speech".
Basically what >>4074006 said.

>> No.4076212

>>4076184
wouldn't that redirect all the self-modding attempts towards the mods?
Instead of the angry spoiled artist pressing "block", he'll report with "block this meanie" and suddenly you have hundreds of reports.

>> No.4076238

>>4076212
Damn. We're gonna have to find some middle ground then.
Also OP hasn't been much active itt, I'm guessing work on the site has already began?

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>>4076238

I think a blocking feature that also gets displayed on the user's info would "shame" them into not becoming those artists that block 400+ people just because they didn't reply with "your art is very good".
It would also give others a hint on who they're dealing with when they visit their profile.
pic related was something I did as an example.
blocked by 18 users and blocked someone 815 times, they'd be their own audience alienator.

>> No.4076300

>>4076238
>We're gonna have to find some middle ground then.
Maybe shadowban frequent blockers or implement a cap on blocking?

>> No.4076313

>>4076300
shadowbanning sounds like a dick thing for any website to do.

>> No.4076401

>>4076313
Agreed. See >>4076257

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>>4076401
Double (you), damn.

To me the only thing acceptable close to a shadowban would be if blocking became a risk vs reward system.
Where it would affect your popularity if both the "blocked by" and "blocking" were high.
It weeds out the troublemakers and the safe space-seekers.

One way it could affect a user is you could filter artists by "most chill" or whatever in your user search and the users' blocked+blocking numbers would dictate who shows up on top.
It brings the risk of people group-blocking an artist to kick them off the list though.

>> No.4076462

>>4076313
Fair enough. The core is that you need a mechanical means to prevent over-blocking because displaying blocks just fuels people to witch-hunt the over-blockers which is what we already see on sites like twitter.
>>4076436
If we're already somewhat attached to booru-like elements you could create search terms to filter out people who mass block similar to how you can search by minimum score

>> No.4076680

I just wanna say I think features like muting/blocking should be discussed when and if it becomes something people are asking for. Until then, just let it boat sail with the features you're actually interested in having, and let everything else come in from the sidelines.

>> No.4078034

Bumping

>> No.4079723

bump

>> No.4080807

>>4065823
If you do this please make it no more than 5 tags and not allow crosstagging or irrelevant tags that have nothing to do with the picture. Also an option to hide certain tags like feitsh art or photoshopped screencaps of animu OCs

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Dunno how much time I can offer but I do dev and shit.

>> No.4081494

Bumping the platform.

Where are the alphas?

>> No.4081579

>>4081494
So far only one anon posted some sort of alphas
>>4068230

>> No.4082004

>>4081494
Give it another week or so. It's going to be a bit before anything really pops up

>> No.4082005

post a github and roadmap or whatever

>> No.4082497

>>4068230 reporting

>>4082005
I have a trello board of my backlog over here https://trello.com/b/S5bC886G
tfw haven't worked on it for the last 2 weeks now, procrastinating some boring/hard tasks.
Don't think the platform bois have set anything up yet?

>>4082004
Is everyone hard at work? Posting progress pics or something would maybe keep this thread alive. From what I can see there's been very little progress. Dunno if I should keep posting here anyways since my thing is kinda not the platform you guys are discussing. Just felt a little like a general art website dev thread.

Never heard back from the guy who said he had some feedback lul.

>> No.4082606

>>4065556

I'm loving all of this. Would love to help out in anyway possible.

I'm not very experienced in website developing, But I've got a degree in Digital Arts and Multimedia, am able to assist with the graphic design. I'm especially proficient with illustrator.

Would love to help even with something completely outside my field. My email is: guilherme.festas@gmail.com

>> No.4082614

>>4065770
Download balsamiq and do proper wireframing/ site architure before sharing it here please. It’s looking like a teenagers work now and it’s inefficient.

>> No.4085362

Bump.

>> No.4086816

Bump

>> No.4086826

Adding a blocking feature would be great.
As a fetish artist, I get tons of people constantly attacking me on why I don't draw their fetish and it just ruins the comment section on my art at times. On a more serious note, I've gotten stalkers and people giving me death threats before.

The thing Twitter does wrong about blocking is that the person who blocks you can still comment on your stuff. You just aren't allowed to see it, so they can be calling you a poopoo head and everyone but you on your OWN art can see it.
Another thing is when people make their account so only their followers can see their tweets and comment on your stuff. You can't see the comment unless you follow them. I think if someone comments on your stuff, an exception should be made so you can also see the comment regardless of following.

>> No.4086867

>>4086826
I think a blocking feature that works like that would make it real easy for groups of assholes to do shady shit and then censor people who call them out. The solution to that stuff is just stronger moderation.

>> No.4086903

Honestly, given how awful you faggots are to each other and how awful you are at running art related discord servers and groups, you are the LAST fucking people I would trust with something like this.

>> No.4086905

>>4086903
I'm not sure it's very fair to judge an individual based on the actions of another. There's no guarantee that those anons will be these anons

>> No.4086908

>>4086905
There’s no guarantee but it’s better to be safe than sorry. The LAS discord is a very example.

>> No.4086927

>>4086908
Not to derail this thread into drama, but what happened there?

>> No.4086930

>>4086927
Check the archives, some stupid teenager drama shit with /b/ level of intelligence.

>> No.4087737

>>4086930
>archives
but warosu is dying anon

>> No.4087760

>>4087737
It doesn't have to.

>> No.4089029

Idea: Allow users to create "Bio pages" for their original characters, which includes some info and art that has been tagged (by the artist) with that particular character

I think there's secretly a huge demand for this kind of thing, currently the only sites that do this are toyhouse which is invite-only, and RP sites like F-List which obviously isn't for the majority of people who aren't into that kind of thing

Now this blows the door open for commissioner-type folk that just commish their character a billion times, but this could be curbed by only allowing users to post art that they made. Or you could let them roam.

>> No.4090788

Bumping.
>>4089029
Seems like a good idea.

>> No.4092388

bump

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If the platform ever gets direct messaging, I think it'd be cool to be able to hover on the user's icon and see their recent works, like Pixiv's direct messaging.

>> No.4092992

>>4092988
kek

>> No.4093055

Oh my god please do this. I'm dying for anything but fucking discord

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In the meantime, anyone know some nsfw art discords I can join and chill with other supple artboys? Just remembered there's LAS but is it just an autism chamber or is it comfy?

>> No.4093376

>>4093371
LAS is pretty comfy. Most people there are pretty well-adjusted while still retaining some /ic/ edge, so they never really completely devolve into a hugbox or a crabfest.

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No progress being reported is a little concerning. Are you still alive WebDevAnon and panchandev? Working hard?

As for https://justdraw.lol - it's at a point where the core is done, in the sense that people can make posts and comment on them. I won't be wiping the database anymore, but idk if I should be "launching" anything yet. I'd like for a little more to be done first, but feel free to post, it's a little more welcoming if there is some activity (it will also motivate me to work) I guess this post is a soft launch of sorts. Images are capped at 3 MB due to the limited performance of my droplet. I intend for the upload size limit to be a freemium paywall in the future, my reasoning being that bigger uploads require better hosting, requiring more money. I can out-of-pocket the current hosting pretty easily though.

I might have made the intro page a little too shitposty - if we have anyone more literate than myself or you feel I left something important out, please post revisions. Important to keep in mind I intend for this site to be for artists, (as outlined pretty heavily in the intro), and not a rival to social media - as has been discussed in this thread previously.

If anyone has feedback that'd be lovely - big or small, about features, design, texts, whatever. I'll continue to chip away at my task backlog. I'm not 100% sure on how to structure the site, what pages to have, etc. I have no way to curate posts so it's just a newest-first system for now. If the site gets big(ish) we can have curators and ability to follow users, however while it's small there's really no need.

>> No.4094294

>>4068230
You guys sure you want the day count streak actually integrated in the website?
Puts a lotta pressure on top of the pressure of being in the community.

I just dont want this to turn into another lass. Seeing the negligible progress on users with the highest streaks really sucks - it's 'cause to keep the streak you don't need to be a smart learner, just an autist

>> No.4094320

>>4094294
Well I guess my site is just another iteration / version of the LAS concept (LAS today is quite different from the one that launched years ago, too), the platform website(s) that the 2(?) others are working on obviously wouldn't have a feature like a posting streak I don't think.

I think a streak has some nice features - it's both an incentive to draw and to post what you've drawn. You're encouraged to post even if you're not that happy with what you've produced, it stops people from only posting what they concider good and/or finished. Having more failed pieces and works in progress is something that could make the website stand out when compared to Twitter or Instagram.

>Seeing the negligible progress on users with the highest streaks really sucks
I don't think this really has anything to do with a streak, you could see negligible progress for people who post for years just as easily with no streak. Days drawn are the same, a streak just makes it transparent I guess. As long as the highest streaks isn't what's celebrated on the website (shown on frontpage etc), I don't think the issue is related. I've opted to show hours spent on the frontpage for people who track their time spent drawing, as I think this is a more accurate indicator of effort than the streak is.

I think having bad progress on display can be a good thing anyways. You can look at what they've been doing and take it as what not to do. The person themselves could of course also do the same -- analyze what they've been doing and readjust accordingly.

Do you agree? If you have good arguments against the whole streak system I'm interested, I'm not married to the concept.

>> No.4095310

bump

>> No.4095521

>>4067117
How about Rasa? Latin for slate (as in tabula rasa); simple, memorable, clean.

>> No.4095541

>>4094124
>someone took all the 1char usernames
you guys are no fun

>> No.4095544

>>4095541
>all the good 2letter words/repeaters too
ban name campers why does this always happen

>> No.4095588

>>4094320
I think I get whatchya mean, but I can't agree.
If you don't have time to post something good and only want to keep up the streak, you post something that's shit.
If you do that too many times, you stop caring - caring about the quality of what you post, and consequently even the quality of the studies themselves, because why try to maintain a gallery of quality works if you already have a bunch of shit ones in it.
Dunno, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I ain't.

Cool domain btw.

>> No.4095593

>>4095588
cont. Maybe it's because I don't agree with the idea that drawing every single day is an efficient way of learning.
You also need some time to breathe, to relax from art and look for inspiration in other activities. This makes you look more forward to when you'll be sitting in front of the paper again and prevents burn-out.

>> No.4095880

>>4063820
I just want to say that that comic is fucking bad and it has the weakest analogy I've seen in a long time.

>> No.4095899

>>4094124
So what sets this apart from LAS again? Too lazy to sift through 273 posts.

>> No.4095901

>>4095899
Wait a minute, are you that w guy?

>> No.4095909

>>4094124
>Draw Every Day!
>What we do here is simple. We post work. Every day.
What's the difference between this and DAD?

>> No.4095914

>>4095909
seconding, I thought we were getting some punk underground version of Artstation

>> No.4096036

>>4095541
fuckin kek, someone has high hopes for my website; thinking usernames will be a commodity. I'll let him keep 'em, I don't really care. He did a lot of captchas to register those.

>>4095899
>>4095909
>>4095914
Yeah, it probably resembles DAD too much at the moment, there's still a lot I need to do. I'll be moving away from the "every day" streak system (and page title) that exists right now into a more relaxed version that's more of an indication of wheter or not the person is still active or not. Good to have it up though I think, gives me feedback instead of me developing it in my echo chamber. Already helped. Keep in mind I work full time, so things are a bit slow.

>>4095901
That's me. I've gotten the impression there's a lot of webdevs on /ic/, but I've never seen anyone except for lava, banana and myself deliver anything (all different versions of LAS). OP and the others in this thread aren't responsive anymore either.

>>4095588
>>4095593
Good points. As stated above, I think I'll move away from the every day part of the streak and do something else. My idea is still to have a streak that counts the days you post, but it doesn't reset until you don't post for 7 days (?). That way you have some room to inhale or whatever you wanna call it. Best of both worlds or benefits of neither? Any thoughts? Think I should just ditch it completely instead?

>> No.4096068

>>4096036
I think it's fine to have an opt-in private daily streak tracker (ala LAS) as an option. I already like the option to submit artworks privately, since I'm too anxious to use DAD. So it'd be great to have this as a personal streak tracker.

>That's me
Also, how do I know you're not gonna suddenly disappear like last time, HMMMM?

>> No.4096077

>>4096036
>doesn't reset until you don't post for 7 days
Sounds good to me

>> No.4096171

>>4096068
I've been kind of on the fence about being able to make private posts. I think it's generally unhealthy for the site, since it could look like there isn't much activity if people are just hiding their shit. It's like a give and take - if you want to use the site's features you have to show your work as "payment" for the benefit of the site's community.

At the same time I get that some work just isn't worthwhile showing anyone, or that people are anxious or selfconscious about their art. Posting publicly could help with that though I think, it's never gonna get better if you never dip your toes in. I'll most likely leave the feature in regardless.

>Also, how do I know you're not gonna suddenly disappear like last time, HMMMM?
I guess you don't, but keep in mind that I have a big sunken cost in my own project, since building something like this takes hundreds of hours. Doing a lot of work for then only to abandon it feels pretty bad, so it's not something on my mind.

>> No.4096247

Just do what DA does, but better. Throw out all the garbage that annoyed you on different platforms and come up with more efficient but simpler alternatives.

>artstation has a nice presentation
>tumblr was clustered, but nice for customizing your own page. finding content was hit or miss and the already popular stuff got even more popular while a lot of other people were never noticed; balance and good algorithm
>twitter is not an art platform, the only thing it has going for it is that everyone is using it for various random stuff and the simple like and retweet system. also the comments section, while not intuitive and not having a nice floating ui, can be blasted with gifs and images which is at least far more "modern" than the rest
>instagram is just a clusterfuck of random irrelevant images, 50 obnoxious tags, bots, constant reposts etc.

>> No.4096251

>>4096171
>At the same time I get that some work just isn't worthwhile showing anyone
sure sure, but what's the benefit of posting that on the world wide web as opposed to just keeping it on your hard drive?
Do your shit in private and only burden people's bandwidth when you're actually intending to do some socializing

>> No.4099669

Bump

>> No.4101743

Does this service allow non human art? I know this sounds silly to ask but I enjoy a site allows certain things to drawn without repercussions.

>> No.4102552

>>4101743
Yeah, who doesn't enjoy a good environment piece?

>> No.4102593

i think the simple answer is that to create a new platform you have to pull non artists, and non pros to it, because at the end of the day those are the ones that consume the art, because the pros are busy creating it. And the pors already have the workflow thats why they are pros, unless you came up with the holy grail of ideas and create something so out of the box but so neded maybe it will work out.

>> No.4103161

Oops, should've kept you guys updated. The front-end is almost done, but the backend has been a bitch to work with. Built an entire solution with Firebase until I figured out the way the API works is dogshit. Building a custom solution with Mongo now.
I have art, and now, college stuff to work on and progress has slowed as a result. I honestly don't know when this is going to be done. I might eventually accept help if it becomes to much to do on my own.

>> No.4104498

>>4102552
No I mean drawing humanoid monsters that aren't jsut monster girls...

>> No.4104750

>>4104498
Why such a weirdly-specific question? Where the fuck are you posting that doesn't allow basic bitch concept art

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hehe

>> No.4105404

Ideafag here, put me on full blast if my 2 ideas are terrible or very vague
I've admired creative collaborations in their old era, even when I'm a zoomer that will never be able to truly understand them.
I also loved seinen/josei level stuff, like aku no hana, solanin, and land of the lustrous.
It COULD be an interesting experiment to attempt to up the standards of non east asian comics by organizing a comic magazine
other unrelated suggestion:
A survey before approval of account creation such as; do you have thick skin and a spine to handle criticism, harsh and constructive alike? can you handle being called (insert slur here)? are you an adult? do you know how to keep your ego in check? What is your attitude to the mainstream are community and social media, Etc. Just questions to keep a flow of mature people. Someone might have to do the paperwork to look throuh ALL of them though

>> No.4105407

>>4105404
*art community

>> No.4106076

>>4104750
I was asking as a hypotheical question for the hypothetical...FUCK IT CAN I DRAW FURSHIT SO I CAN GET MONEY SO I WON't starve to death

>> No.4109656

Yes.

>> No.4109667

>>4109656
Should've just let thread die, was like page 10. Can be remade when someone has something.

>> No.4109864

Damn, is WebDevAnon just gone? His last post was 28 days ago. All-talk "entrepreneur" I presume.

>> No.4109890

>>4109864
Lol - I knew it, the initial effort to make something is insanely high, anyone can just toss ideas around.

He was being such a faggot too, trying to discourage other devs from undercutting him with a free site.

I hope the archives don’t die, there were some good ideas in here - I’d be interested in doing something after inktober

>> No.4109990

>>4106076
Thank god. Stop being afraid to speak