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What is /ALT/?
If you're looking for a place to post your cartooning then you've found the right general. This is /ic/s 1st and only merged hub where both Eastern and Western stylization can coexist peacefully, hence the double title. However, by community demand and long history, this is favorably an Anime general.
>Rules & Guidelines
(1) Any form of cartooning is welcome; so submit and receive feedback from others. (2) Please resize your images before posting. (3) Share your knowledge and (4) Remember to not be afraid of asking for critique. Most importantly I encourage you to keep discussion at a civil level, but you're more than welcome to share your opinions.
>I came for anime. Why does the image OP say cartoons general?
To distinguish from the anime study thread (janitor supported). Please post your studies there and personal work goes here.
>Community Resources
Hitokaku Index
List of active livestreams
>Use twitch #art
>yoshikadu2011 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUx5dpO6d5gQ4KWNPc24CKw
FellowBro's Book Collection
Tutorial & Reference Collection
Japanese Tutorials & Documentary
>http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317 (0033)

>> No.4057086
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KOLOSKO class scout ships are happily at home engaging in illegal activities or sitting in an offworld scrapyard.

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time to shill my unfinished shit huehuehue stay tuned

>> No.4057399

Her left boob is a bit too high, stomach is too small for those legs even if it's your style.

>> No.4057403

Thanks anon! I'll fix it :^)


>> No.4057545

Holy shit he finally finished it

>> No.4057592
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SuZanna TamRyn

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>> No.4057644

omg are you the moonrunes anon?

>> No.4057778
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Haha hehe pokemon

>> No.4057780

shit dude can you answer me I've been a long time fan of your work

>> No.4057781
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X and y x and y

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Sure thing bud hit it at me

>> No.4057791

Your stuff is fantastic, I love it

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>> No.4057826
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I've been making some lasso tool stuff. It's nice for thumbnails and storyboards

>> No.4057984
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little hesitant to post outside of /beg/, but it's not like i was getting much feedback there
i hope i didn't break her back or arms…

>> No.4058002

Even she's befuddled at that weird ass pose.

>> No.4058023

its definitely not /beg/ tier, but her right arm is most definitely fucked.

practice more gesture drawing!

>> No.4058042
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animal studies r fun because your brain doesn't know they look bad on an instinctual level like with humans

>> No.4058137
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I drew a gang of street toughs

>> No.4058142

I agree with this guy, the whole pose is executed unbelievably, make gesture drawing part of your schedule

>> No.4058163
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Here’s a man enjoying a nice summer day

>> No.4058164

these are pretty good though anon! id just add some simple values to make them pop

>> No.4058172
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thanks fellas, i can see it now
when i first sketched it she was leaning forward more and it looked more natural, but after number of adjustments it ended up like this
gotta stop slacking off i guess

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Absolute chads

>> No.4058227
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Did this as a warm-up sketch, gonna try studying now

>> No.4058355

good shit, how'd you use the lasso tool for that actually?

>> No.4058377
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thanks anon
just polygonal lasso and I paint it in with a textured brush, every shape has a layer

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Pls try to ignore just using the quickest way to save this from my phone

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>> No.4058691

Thanks man

>> No.4058770
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TG stuff again

>> No.4058795
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I really love Inuyasha <3

>> No.4058848
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Going to let this one sit overnight.

>> No.4058868

>tmw sending your data across the glob from your phone, so it can do the trip back to your pc, is faster than using an 1.5 m usb cable between the two

>> No.4058879
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Very appealing lines and shading there. Wish I could do that, make expressive strokes without it looking dirty or lazy. All my lineart lacks any description of form so it can't stand alone without any rendering.

>> No.4058909

I'm proud of you

>> No.4059030

I am an airhead I apologise
I think it’s just cause I have a trained hand from hatching so often, I believe in you anon!
...I... thanks dad

>> No.4059039

anon this is amazing! really love your style. do you have a Twitter?

>> No.4059048

Anon that means a lot ty! I’m more active on my Instagram, @beholdnika

>> No.4059068

>I am an airhead I apologise
I wasnt criticizing you, I was just stating a fact, posting on 4chan from your phone if you have an app and downloading it on your pc if you have the page open, is faster than searching for an usb cable, spinning it 3 times to get in the pc, spinning it 3 times to get in the phone, activate from your phone data transfer, search on your pc the pic the phone folders, drag and drop where you want to save it

>> No.4059077
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drawpile ft. ham

>> No.4059080
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Can you give me any guides on inking, what should I be focusing on while doing it, what should I think about?
I feel completely lost.

>> No.4059084

You’re completely right, it’s just that in the moment I was rushing and the cable was out of sight (that rhymes :0) so I didn’t even consider it haha

>> No.4059086

That's really fucking good, blog?

>> No.4059092

wow, your art is what grimes would do if she could draw, nice

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>> No.4059269

great work, the "I will beat you with 30 shoes" guy made me kek, should be a reaction image

>> No.4059278

This is good. But your boobs seem to be turned way more to the left than the torso if we judge by clavicle.

>> No.4059286
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Omg look someone made the drawing into a real thing

>> No.4059301

Allah is great!

>> No.4059307

Ever drawn any tf2 stuff fisher?

>> No.4059341
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Tryna draw more expressive characters now, I like goggles girl though her hands don’t make sense

>> No.4059416
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Anything glaringly bad about this before i color?

>> No.4059422

loli body or head too big, whg she doesn't have musclesFrom her lower back to the bottom as defined as her upper body?

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>> No.4059431

yikes, ruined

>> No.4059432

Redline it please.

>> No.4059433

tits shouldn't be that visible from that angle beg kun

>> No.4059438

here's your redline>>4059416

>> No.4059450

Head is out of proportion in relation to the figure, it's too small. Although the torso is slightly twisting the extreme twist from the neck makes it feel very uncomfortable unless you're an owl. Her jaw seems to be jutting out at an obtuse angle and her mouth does not help one bit with the fact that we're looking at a slight 3/4 angle yet it seems to conform to its very own perspective where we should view it closer to the outside.

>> No.4059452

wtf lmao

>> No.4059453

Your next reply would be post your work.

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got stuck on this page for some reason. its too slow going, I wish I have enough time. It would be great if I don't need to sleep.

>> No.4059458

Never redline again

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>> No.4059474
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thanks for the feedback guys
here's an almost finished from yesterday too

>> No.4059479

big yikes, post the ref

>> No.4059480

no ref

>> No.4059484

back too loomis my friend

>> No.4059492

compared to most things I've seen on i/c lately this isn't that bad. Don't fall for the loomis meme anon and keep drawing.

>> No.4059498

I commend you for drawing from imagination, none of these faggots are able to do it without seeking references and even still they wouldn't be able to pull it off.

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loomis is a bad advice now? holy shit this fucking board

>> No.4059509

No, it's just how you faggots use it as a catch all phrase when you disagree with something.

>> No.4059512

Begone, frogposter

>> No.4059519

>ywn be good enough to be part of the famous artists of /ic/ art clique

>> No.4059567
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Ive done something

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>> No.4059686

:D @beholdnika on Instagram!

>> No.4059698
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Drew my kid Zach again, but with him meeting someone who may or may not be the inspiration for him.

Kinda felt like I messed up Zach's pose and left hand a little. Also I can't draw cloth lol

>> No.4059746
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quick little doodle

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>> No.4059767
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one more

>> No.4059784

I got a wix site: https://stephengoreanimati.wixsite.com/stephengoreart

Also side note: how do I draw more interesting hands/mouths?

>> No.4059787

pretty cool animation
John Kricfalusi inspired?

>> No.4059794
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This is the first proper drawing I made using a semi-strong bottom perspective! :0 I'm sure it's riddled with anatomical flaws and perspective errors, but I had fun. I'll learn more with my next one

>> No.4059798

Her name's not Olivia, stop lying to yourself...

>> No.4059799

What's her name, anon?

>> No.4059802

Two things though:
>Increase the size of your selection before fillbucketing in a background so you don't have a line of white dots around the lineart, due to anti aliasing.
>Some arm and hand studies would be really beneficial to you, as you seem to be guessing at a lot of the anatomy

>> No.4059803

Bolivia, obviously...

>> No.4059808

You’re right about me guessing the anatomy haha, I’ll do some hand studies later tonight. Thanks for the tip too, anon <3
That is superior, ur right

>> No.4059861

What program do you use because while that anons recommendation is good, i recommend working the lineart up on a different layer so you dont run into these kinds of issues.

>> No.4059867

I made this on medibang, though it’s not the program I usually use

>> No.4059908
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new drawpile featuring stinkyBro

>> No.4059933
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trying out some different head angles, hows this look?

>> No.4059940

adult baby

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>> No.4060001

lmao what kind of perspective is this

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>> No.4060042

dude... just use a ref have you ever seen an adult? wtf

>> No.4060053
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nose is too cute and the jaw too kiddy, make bpth bigger. I'm assuming this is a man.

>> No.4060067

i like it

>> No.4060117
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i'm trying a looser and simpler style cause painting takes too much time. also i got new brushes

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>> No.4060129

Looks nice so far. Did you just turn off the sketch layer or do you freehand lineart or something?

>> No.4060201
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I'm just a hobbyist that likes to draw realistic/semi-realistic styles. I'm not particularly skilled in drawing, yet, but how valuable is it to learn how to draw cartoonish styles? Will it help me in other areas?

Pic related, I dont draw much anime/cartoonish styles. Please roast.

>> No.4060218
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Drawing in cartoon styles can be very helpful if you want to add more life and exaggeration to your realistic drawings, and help give you a better understanding of shape design. If you want "pure" realism it won't be very helpful in that regards.
If you want to understand cartooning, you should avoid just copying the styles of whatever cartoons are popular today and instead try to dissect how cartoons/anime function aesthetically and construction-wise.
What you're doing is symbol drawing, you're taking the "symbols" of cartoons and anime that you know and are placing them on the face without much regard for how a cartoon or anime face functions aesthetically or construction-wise, it's pic related but in reverse.
If you really do want to pursue stylized art, you should take a step back and start analyzing stylized art you enjoy in the same way you would analyze a realistic work. What are the shapes and forms at play? What is the effect of those shapes on the image? How does the artist distort reality? Copying artists and learning how their style works can be a very good exercise, especially for the stage you're in right now.

>> No.4060225

1st and last are great. I don't like the second one as much.
I wouldn't say learning any particular style is more valuable than any other. Draw in whatever style you like.

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Clarification because I typed this in a rush and didn't think my words through, and made some confusing wordings
>you should avoid just copying the styles of whatever cartoons are popular today
>Copying artists and learning how their style works can be a very good exercise
This sounds contradictory but what I meant is you should avoid taking surface-level elements, like anime/cartoon eyes and noses and haphazardly dropping them onto face shapes. Instead you should try to study the stylistic choices that go into a style in the same way you would study something like a figure. An anime nose, for example, seems like just a line but it's actually representing a lot of visual information in a super-simplified form, like pic related shows. What you need to do is reverse-engineer those simplified features to figure out how they relate to the object they are depicting, instead of just drawing a tiny line for a nose and calling it a day.

>> No.4060231


Thanks. Your picture kind of tells me something I needed to hear again: draw what you see, not what you think. I think I do want to learn stylization, because I find pure realism unrewarding. I can spend 20 hours on a realistic drawing and it's basically a shitty pencil/charcoal rendered photograph, IMO. I want to get to a point where I can create anything I want from """scratch""" with some practice and I think from what you are describing, that will take me to really understand general shape design. Thanks.

Appreciate it. I like middle and right the least, because I dont feel like I got what I wanted in the short amount of time I drew them.

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I was going for a squarer shape like the ref, though I appreciate the help

>> No.4060259
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I feel like everyone here keep getting better while i stay stuck in the same place

>> No.4060269

Keep trying buddy. Effort is 10 times more important than success.

>> No.4060280
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you are shit and you will remain shit unless you stop being a faggot and a brainlet

>> No.4060283

Post your work tough guy.

>> No.4060290
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I understand how difficult that must feel if it helps i recc copying what you love alot like in photos or from actual life and put it in your work

if you can copy what you see you will improve and figure what works and makes sense for you over time i dont know what you struggle with ofcourse but i thought it wouldnt hurt helping in some way.

>> No.4060291

Ganbatte, anon.
In times like that I've found it can help to step away from your usual stuff and try something different. It can help you get some quick gains if you start learning something you had zero experience in, which can be a good mood booster, and it'll broaden your horizons and might inspire you to make better stuff when you return to your usual routine.

>> No.4060295
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>y-you can't be right unless you post your wark!!

why are you niggers so delusional or contrarians if you are too stupid you obviously will make 0 gains or very little, but it's also a matter or not being a massive faggot who whines and blogpost just for attention so he can be arsed to draw under the illusion of "i just want motivation"

you don't wait for motivation to get out of your bed and go to work or whatever you do it because you have to, if you are complaining about why my art is so shit is either because you are just bad at learning; a retard or you just don't do what it takes because you are a bitch, now how the fuck does posting my work has to do with this i dont fucking know but keep sugarcoating these begs

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lol what a faggot

>> No.4060309 [DELETED] 

Oh it's just you again. Polite sage.

>> No.4060312

Retard, on a board like this your crits don't mean shit if you can't back it up.
Pyw is the word to kill crabs, dumb newfag

>> No.4060336

recipe for suffering and literally not true.
If you're stagnating you need to work smarter not harder.

>> No.4060368

Oh yeah i just turned off the sketch layer.

>> No.4060377
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More experimenting with coloring in ballpoint doodles

>> No.4060399

kek what a dumbass

>> No.4060411

where are you stuck anon?
try to be specific, don't just say "everything"

>> No.4060434

Are you that guy that did a bunch of lolibro studies?

>> No.4060435

thank you anon

>> No.4060437

Rly nice stuff. What brush are you using?

>> No.4060444

I like the lineart on these, anon.

Your color palettes are appealing, but I think you should work on your rendering. The way you shade does not describe forms very well, especially on the upper body. I think it would help to try and break down the body parts into simple forms, and lay out very basic shadows while considering the light source before you go into detailed rendering.

I like the hatching on the hair especially, nice work anon.

>> No.4060486

pay closer attentions to the volume of the trees and the space they occupy in perspective. where's the vanishing point and what would the point of intersection between those forms and the flat surface of the water look like?

>> No.4060488

reminds me of moat

>> No.4060493

I commend this guy for posting work. I mean he's not wrong
>you are shit and you will remain shit unless you stop being a faggot and a brainlet

but the other guys asking for pyw is not wrong either. There's fuck ton of crabs in this board just shitposting and begging for (you)s without backing it up with their work

>> No.4060542

>hatching on the hair

Thanks anon <3

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>> No.4060560

Boring background color :c

>> No.4060562

Looks great man.

I'm /beg/ as fuck so I can't give you much actual feedback but I think it would have looked nice if you added some of the red of the skull to her outfit. Maybe around the choker? Same with the blue of the spirit(?) and her eyes? Not a 1 for 1 the same colour but just a bit of a shift in that direction.

>> No.4060565

Nice stuff but I feel it would look a bit punchier if you cranked up the contrast, or even just make the backround black to let the character pop more, but it's still really solid work, well done.

>> No.4060566

It doesn't seems like she occupies a 3D space, you need more boxes

>> No.4060596
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Gonna add more and trying to make it look like a illustration. Any feedback?

I appreciate the advice anon, thanks!

>> No.4060640

Working hard doesnt mean working stupid

>> No.4060647

well it sure as hell doesn't mean working smart - which is the only thing that will get him out of his mess

>> No.4060742

How can i get this good

>> No.4060746

Late response but yeah, among other inspirations obviously.

I feel like I need to work on my form, anatomy, and learn how to draw more interesting mouths and hands

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I normally don't do fullbodies digitally :0 Gonna do some hatching on this one too

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>> No.4060830

I really like your lines. Do you have a blog?

>> No.4060843
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>> No.4060845

Does it have a dick?

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>> No.4060924
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I’m learning to draw in the old 30s Fleischer style but I feel like I’m missing something or doing it wrong.

>> No.4060940
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the thing is the whole pyw has become a straw man to spread this cancer mindset to invalidate anyone who doesn't agree with you or you don't like,and if you want any kind of help you have to be at least smart enough to differentiate between "lmao back2 loomis,kys,disgusting" and "your lack of fundamentals and bad understanding of the matter makes your art look like a piece of shit".

and the later is where people just want to push this meme, because you weren't another of their circlejerk of buttbuddies who praised this guy regardless of how bad it was, now im not defending people calling you shit unless they say why, and here's the truth if you did something wrong and someone points that out it doesn't matter whether the person is mean or kind that won't change the facts, but no you gotta disregard every kind of criticism that doesn't follow your hugbox hivemind as "unless you are this good you can't say anything" just to hide the facts.

>> No.4060944
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Will work on the details and purple/blue accents when I return, followed by the shadows/midtones.

>> No.4060945

you still need to draw decent hands and maybe put some white outline on his body so the viewers know what he's doing

>> No.4060953

left hand needs work fingers look like spaghetti and the sleeves look awkward

>> No.4060977

whichever one works for you

>> No.4061065

Fuck off homo

>> No.4061087
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>> No.4061206

pls have a cute feminine benis down there

>> No.4061211

why are you obsessed with penis

>> No.4061216

Through dick, unity. Roasties need not understand.

>> No.4061222

This is 4chan, what did you expect?

>> No.4061236

Here you have 2 options:

1- Be gay

2- Be gay and racist

>> No.4061281
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cleaned up a bit, need to start doing feet studies

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Two heads are better than one is often true for some.

>> No.4061625
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Blocked in the skin tones and added the accents.

>> No.4061637

its fine just very generic

>> No.4061686
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Can I get some help with the right arm/hand and revolver? I'm having the worst time with the angle and foreshortening. I don't need a redline because I'd like to try and draw it on my own, but even just blocking in where everything should be would help, or any sort of reference or suggestion.

>> No.4061700

sick dab bro

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>> No.4061703

Nigga what, it fits perfectly in the canvas's world to me

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>> No.4061727

In all seriousness, from what I can see, I really can't tell what her pose is doing.

did she attack someone with her sword or is she just posing like a badass or getting ready to engage?

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dubs don't lie

>> No.4061733

Like what >>4061727 said, this pose doesn't read very well. Perhaps try something different? Or try constructing this one again.

>> No.4061794
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I want to draw cute chibis but coming up with a unique appealing super deformed style is surprisingly very difficult. Trying to copy Mogeko's style is fun, though.

>> No.4061807

Its cute, anon. The only issue I see is how his hand is holding that milk,desu

>> No.4061821

pretty, I like it anon

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Doodled a android concept.

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putting down some flats before shading
(i dont know japanese so its likely incorrect)
I really like this, good job anon

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>> No.4061986

:D thank you, anon!

>> No.4062030
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Don't care, gonna keep posting till i'm gud

>> No.4062034

I think it's a definitive improvement over the concepts you posted on the character thread a few months ago.

Have you done more of the others?

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drawing good chibis is pretty hard desu
reminds me of bestboy

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I think you want to draw him like a feminine anime boy judging by the pose, but you don't push the proportions accordingly. Make the nose much smaller and push him towards anime cute. In the end you're looking to draw him like a small child and children don't have huge noses. Or you want to go towards bishie, which has different proportions. Right now you're in a bit of a limbo, I think this is your problem.
See, this is more appealing because he has no nose >>4061794

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I was drawing this and I thought everything was peachy until I was bitten by an ant.

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>> No.4062275

Finally, some good fuckin food

>> No.4062479

Why do you come here if you're just gonna ignore all advise lol.

>> No.4062485

heres the only place where he can get any kind of attention

>> No.4062504
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FLCL, good shit

>> No.4062507

pls no dick

>> No.4062513
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have you tried messing with the saturation?
Actually, never mind. It's fine as it is.

>> No.4062515
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will maybe mess with her right hand while cleaning up, pose seems a little off

>> No.4062525

Fuck that looks awesome. Blog?

His legs don't look like they work in that pose. Good design tho, anon.

Nice job, looking forward to your final work

>> No.4062530

that ass bit shouldnt be seen with that leg twist

>> No.4062531

this looks so much better lol

>> No.4062536

You make drawing look fun. Do post in the sketchbook threads?

>> No.4062551

thank you!

>> No.4062569
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Shes looking at (You)

>> No.4062576

very cute anon. i like the colours

>> No.4062596
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I drew all day today and my hand hurts

>> No.4062665

I am very sorry as I swore to myself to not post on any other drawthreads until I graduated from /beg/ but I just want some thoughts and critique on >>4062391 desu

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Already got red lines over Discord for when I get back. Thanks.

>> No.4062675

>I swore to myself to not post on any other drawthreads until I graduated from /beg/
This is so stupid, just post on a drawthread who the fuck cares a critique is a critique regardless of where you post.

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Nice rendering and attention to detail, it would be a darn shame if someone were to flip it horizontally.

>> No.4062687

It's a little way to motivate me teehee

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>> No.4062705

Your drawing is skewed and riddled with tangents, my friend.

>> No.4062706

you really need to spend more time getting the drawing right before you jump into lineart & rendering
binary brush is so pleasing to look at

>> No.4062712


Vague, with no explanatory power. Thanks anyways.

>> No.4062717

You're quite welcome you passive aggressive cunt.

>> No.4062722

shieeet the skirt or shorts lightning is fucked up and is messing with the perspective of the legs

>> No.4062799

not those anons, but I think you are completely blind to stuff like pic related
I know it doesn't explain much, but you can clearly see one of these looks better than the other
personally I'm not good at all, but I think you should think about other stuff while drawing
You are focusing 2 much on details and linework and rendering etc, but your drawing doesn't look good on a fundamental level, basically you are polishing turds
Like, I think you should step back and look at some artists you like, and study them, like ask yourself why does their shit look good?
You are polishing turds, I know it sounds bad, but if you stop trying to improve and find out new knowledge you have failed
The fundamentals are what hold something together and what make something interesting. Your shapes, your sense of form, your composition and perspective and your values.
If these things are good, you can literally just render something for 10 minutes and it will still look good.

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Thanks, anon. I've been working on polishing up the designs so that makes me glad to hear it.
I haven't done much of the other characters, most of it is just doodles and sketches so I can get more comfortable with their designs and tweak them as I go. Pic related is the only character I've given any major design overhaul to so far, really. I'm still not settled with it, though.

Thanks for the advice and crit, anon. Honestly I really don't want him to look too feminine, I more of wanted a "princely" sort of look, young and pretty, but still a bit masculine if that makes sense. I think I may have made his body too young-looking for what I intended, and I kinda want to keep the big nose because I feel it makes his face a bit more distinctive.

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forgot pic

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I don't think your stuff is bad, you clearly have a fair bit of knowledge in anatomy and construction. I feel what the other anons are getting at is that you art lacks appeal, and I don't mean that in a "muh style" sort of way. I think you have a poor sense of shape and composition, which brings your works down significantly.
Take the girl's twintails, for instance. The ends of them go in so many different directions it weakens the composition by leading the viewers eyes in no clear direction.
I did a quick paint over to try and better show what I mean, I am not the best myself so apologies.

>> No.4062886

This helped a great deal. Thank you very much for taking the time to draft this up for me.

>> No.4062898

>foreshortening on the left leg & arm are fucked
>back foot is shaped wrong
>inconsistent finger size between hands; more than would be caused by being further back in perspective
>also that wrist lmao
>attachment of legs to the pelvic joint is questionable

beyond all of that, there's seemingly no hierarchy of detail unless you really were intent on drawing the eye straight to her armpit. not to mention all the tangents around the edge of the page

>> No.4063132

Thank you i appreciate you enjoyin my stuff!
i do post in the sketchbook threads but not too often

>> No.4063192
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Not my design- Ahh I'm finally finished with this, I've shamelessly committed so many art sins along the way though. Please scold me, anons

>> No.4063206

Face is skewed slightly, she has a thousand yard stare and it seems like her eyes are focusing on her nose. While in the construction stage, flip the canvas multiple times until it becomes second nature - for every form you put flip the canvas once or three different times until you get rid of whatever skew that is present.

Using construction helps avoid going out of proportion and studying what we perceive as cute will help you understand how to bring about a pleasant face. It's all in the proportions.

Consider changing the drawing from a white background to a more calming and darker background that would either compliment or bring about the colors from the figure more.

>> No.4063217

not him but how do you fix this issue if it's on paper and I can't flip/mirror the canvas

>> No.4063218

Hold your drawing up in front of a mirror lol
That's why they call it mirroring the canvas

>> No.4063222

Thank you for this, anon <3 Construction is definitely something I still need to study, as soon as I'm done with my commissions I'll resume studying.

>> No.4063230

>'ve been working on polishing up the designs so that makes me glad to hear it.

Well I'm glad. I know you were a bit concerned about changing them too much whenever it was brought up in that thread.

I have to be honest that I have a vested interest in your journey with this. I have several characters in a state of flux (while I get out of /beg/). So it's interesting to see how characters and style evolve when introduced to others and whether or not I'll prefer them before or after.

Also cute boys that look like cuteboys look better than boys that look like girls. In my semi-humble opinion anyway.

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sketches that i did today! for some reason today i felt more energetic, ended up drawing the whole day haha!!

>> No.4063247

Very cute anon! I like your use of color and your style a lot.
I feel like on some of these you have some issues with construction, and you could push your shapes further. Might I recommend studying Yoh Yoshinari's sketches? I feel the way he draws bodies is similar to your style, and you could get something out of studying his work.

>> No.4063253

GOOD SHIT anon keep it up

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not the guy who replied to you first, but your constructions is really beg, please use a ref because this is lietrally polishing a turd theres docens of mistakes but here are the bigges like how did you even missed? what im trying to say is loomis

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>> No.4063306

not him, but I think you're overreacting. The drawing itself self is appealing if it weren't for the face particularly the eyes being skewed. Certainly markedly better than tumbler garbage like this>>4062800

Just work on your eyes, take a look at her left eye, and try to get her right eye to allign properly with it. Symmetry is always hard, but nothing a little practicing can't fix.

>> No.4063310

Honestly it's pretty good man, as another anon said the eyes are the biggest problem, there's also something weird about the legs but it doesn't show at first glance. But overall i'd say you've done a good job at rendering

>> No.4063315

>holy shit

>absolute beginner-tier redline with only the most obvious flaws pointed out

look mom, i'm participating! im a d/ic/k!!! haha us 4channers right

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im not overreacting, but there's a huge difference between appealing and doing something correctly, i don't care if it's anime or tumblr but if anon is going to draw a body at the very least try to keep the proportions, saying that is appealing has nothing to do with it, thats subjective but hey a lot of people said that pic related is appealing too, and >>4062800
is the worst example that shows how biased and simple minded you are, that guy draws better than 70% of /ic/ good anatomy the drawing of the clothes are simple but enough to convey the shapes his face is actually proportionally for his style good understanding of shading my only cherrypick would be that collarbone but he's miles better than >>4063244 then again im criticizing his construction not if his shit is appealing or not thats subjective

>> No.4063337

yeah maybe that's why i say here are the biggest and not all but it's okay anon show us how is done

>> No.4063365
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Did a sketch of a character of mine. His nose seems a bit big/long but then again, I've been somewhat inconsistent with his design in past projects I've done with him

>> No.4063376

Damnit /ic/, stop posting that cursed image, it give me nightmare

>> No.4063378

Why does the right side of her pelvis stick out so much it looks like an erect cock

>> No.4063393

I actually forget if the person who made this, made it with serious intent or if this was all supposed to be a meme. The rendered hair, shadows and everything make me fear the latter..

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>> No.4063421

i thought the same but if you look he not only cleaned everything but he rendered every fucking hair the lightning ,shadows the texture on the water, no way this was a troll

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>> No.4063433
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experimenting with some new rendering techniques
thank you, anon

>> No.4063486

Not to complain, but what's /beg/ about it? I always have room to improve so I'd love to hear some critique.

>> No.4063501

these are neat

>> No.4063502

Not that anon, but the biggest flaws I feel it has are
>1. Your lineart is scratchy and not confident
>2. Your shapes are messy and not confident
It's harder to criticize this than most of the works on /alt/ because you use a much more simplified and cartoonish style than most people here, but I feel your core issues are that you don't seem to have confidence in what you're doing. You have a simple, graphic style, but you don't push your shapes. You play it very safe with a simple half-circle and line for a hat. The face is long, but it's shape is ambiguous.
I think you should look into some shape-based character designs and try to examine how they work. Shape language would be a very useful thing for you to look into, as well as shape design. Examine how your favorite cartoonists use shapes to build their characters and incorporate it into your own work.

>> No.4063512

That's a fair thing to say anon, thanks! For the record, it was a sketch to begin with so I never intended for the lines to be perfect. Although for a sketch I do think a lot of it is a bit "lazy" I suppose.

Also, legit question here, but does it count as "not confident" if I never felt "unconfident" while drawing? I don't want to sound like I'm ignoring your advice, but I never really felt like that when I drew it, although to be fair, I pretty much originally planned on just doing his face as opposed to doing a full on bust. Like you said, I definitely could push the shapes, absolutely. Although I feel it's more as if I don't fully know how to do so, rather than that I wasn't confident, because I was confident in my shapes (even if they weren't all that great like my lines, even if it's a sketch). I suppose it's similar to how a tween aspiring to become an artist is confident in their crappy ms paint drawings despite them being crappy ms paint drawings, not to belittle my own work of course lol.

>> No.4063519

Not him but confidence is derived from having the knowledge of things like shape language. When referring to confidence, its less actual confidence and more of a "it looks like he knows what hes doing." Your lines show hesitation, they are short and scratchy.

>> No.4063581
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Bladerunner sketch I did for a friend.

>> No.4063587
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Not bad, tho the pose is rather stiff and boring. Also, his chin could serve to be a little longer

>> No.4063637

Thanks for the crit dude. Yeah it was tough getting a good resemblance for the face. Any tips on what I could do to make the pose less stiff?

>> No.4063652

unironically gesture drawings

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>> No.4063664

because it's easy to just throw out "gesture" or "lolfundies" or "looooomis" as a casual throwaway response to everything but actually gesture drawings, getting to know the angle/curve of the spine and placing balanced posture over stance of the legs is going to help fix stiff poses

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changing the angle could help a bit too, a straight on camera shot isn't very interesting

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guys? has drawing cubes saved my life?

>> No.4063742

Color it and see how tough you are

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>> No.4063776

This looks like a concept from a visual novel I'd want to play. Nice work!

If there's any advice I'd give, I'd say your clothing/posing is great, but your face construction could use a little more work. I can't help but notice the furthest eyes don't have that perspective that really sells it, y'know? Nothing groundbreaking, but I think focusing on that will greatly improve your work.

>> No.4063779

Gimme a month, I'll do it tho

>> No.4063917

I really appreciate this, anon. I kept feeling mistakes with this the whole time I was rendering but I couldn’t actually visualise anything specific that was off. Thanks for clearing it up, I’ll use a reference next time.
Thank you for being kind <3 I think my faces always turn out skewed cause I set somewhat low standards, finish rendering them quickly, then never go back to them to finalise everything. The legs are frustrating too, cause I know that irl they can look weird when someone is sat down on the floor so I can’t tell if they’re accurately looking weird or if they’re just wrong altogether.

I appreciate the feedback

>> No.4063919

arm, shoulder looks detached from the rest of the body

>> No.4063945

thank you for this, (different anon). I tend to do a lot of straight on poses and honestly thinking about it, yeah angled makes things way more interesting I should do more.

>> No.4063998

I really like your stuff anon but i think your drawings could really benefit from a bit more concrete anatomy in hand and leg areas, that would really elevate them to the next level

>> No.4064014
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Finished up a clean up sketch. I know that her left ankle is being pushed to it's limit, but in all fairness, she's a cyborg. Either way, it'll probably get fixed in another cleanup.

thanks anons, really means a lot.

I meant to draw a crotch guard. Looking at it more, it almost does look like one, lol.

thanks anon. Twitter: @art_mellon

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Thank you!! I honestly have no idea where to get yoh resources. I got my hands on one it was all environments and stuff i cant even remember how i got it.. But i will try to look for it again! Is there any recommendation of yoh works if he has any series of works?
Thank you!! i will try my besT!!
I agree my construction isnt that great i will also add that there's more to construction and appeal i think perspective also plays a good role in making a picture more interesting!

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>> No.4064372

This hatching style and dull coloring is very cozy and nostalgic.

>> No.4064382
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i might have overdone on the dull coloring now that i look at it. Thanks for the comment anon

>> No.4064383

Lol I did not mean "dull" as a bad thing. I think the desaturated color palette adds to the mood

>> No.4064384

do you use references while drawing or is this from memory?

>> No.4064390

He has three books:
>Dead Wood
>Rough Sketches
>Rough Sketches Tezuka
I found them in various art book threads in the archive, if you look up those terms you should be able to find them!

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>> No.4064413

You made it look even worse.

>> No.4064417

You made her smile thats so cute

Thank you anon

>> No.4064422

you added a smile and changed nothing else kek

>> No.4064472

Nope I rarely use references its all from memory!! If I use reference its just a study not to be part of an illustration
Thank you anon!!

>> No.4064483
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I used liquify for like 1 and a half minute

>> No.4064499
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Thanks anon. Yeah, I had some issues when drawing the face that I couldn't figure out how to work through. I'll try to do some more facial construction studies soon, I appreciate the advice

Haha, I'm flattered that you're interested. I don't plan too change them too drastically.
>Also cute boys that look like cuteboys look better than boys that look like girls
I see you're also a man of taste

Might as well drop this here since the thread's about to die. Trying to do an illustration with more focus on graphic appeal and interesting shape design, any blatant issues?

>> No.4064511


skill wise the tumblr "garbage" is better

>> No.4064513

your redline is awful
holy shit and yikes are not helpful at all

>> No.4064520

Not that guy, but he's still right.

>> No.4064522

It was a compliment, I think lol. I like it as well.

>> No.4064529

New thread time, can a Good Samaritan make one

>> No.4064531

Do it faggot.

>> No.4064534

Gimme a few minutes to put together an OP.
Any preferences for the art?

>> No.4064539

Go faggots >>4064537

>> No.4064549

yeah i know, i just felt that i overdid a bit on the whole desaturation thing now that i looked at it here
I'm glad you liked it guys, it really motivates me when people on /ic/ like my stuff.

>> No.4064589

that's some beginner tier sameshilling anon

>> No.4065642

who/what is moat?

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