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I am new to drawing (24) and I wonder how should I start? I don't like learning from books when it comes to drawing, I'd prefer videos or other resources that are easy to digest and go straight to the point.

I am interested mostly in human figures and faces for portraits. Also what is a good introduction to color?

>> No.4042368

Read the sticky

>> No.4042369

>>4042368
The sticky gives me books.

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>>4042369
Then maybe you should read those books.

>> No.4042372

>>4042364
>>4042369

>I don't like learning from books when it comes to drawing, I'd prefer videos or other resources that are easy to digest and go straight to the point

if you don't have the patience for books then you likely don't have the patience for learning to draw. Work on that before anything else.

>> No.4042374

>>4042370
Maybe you should read my post. >>4042364

But to elaborate more on that and I am sure there are many people who felt the same: books have a lot of filler text that I don't need. I want to focus purely on technical skills and those are much better presented in a form of a video or just something else other than a book.

>> No.4042382

>>4042374
Perspective Made Easy + Scott Robertsons how to draw from imagination are both exercise books with no filler. Read the fucking books christ.

>> No.4042383

>>4042374
imagine having ADHD this bad

>> No.4042388

>>4042374
Learn to read faster than a retarded 9 year old maybe.

>> No.4042390

>>4042364
why don't you search for the answers yourself just like anyone else.

>> No.4042391

>>4042382
>>4042383
>>4042388

This makes me wonder why can't you just stay silent if you have nothing good to recommend instead of pushing stuff that I won't read anyway. I want videos, got any? Great, if not, why bother?

Also I read many books but those dedicated to drawing are mostly useless. You have to either watch others draw or do it yourself to learn.

>> No.4042393

>>4042391
Because youre a retard that doesnt understand the value of time tested incredibly valuable books and youre looking for a quick fix to success when every artist making these videos is just regurgitating watered down versions of the books that were recommending you fuck

>> No.4042397

>>4042391
Scott Robertsons how to draw from imagination is a companion to the video series you retard. Also the first thing the book teaches you is an exercise in linear perspective, I guess you don't need that right?

>> No.4042401

>>4042397
I learned more from Vandruff perspective series than from any existing book in a short span of time too. And that's one of many examples where I learned more from a video than from a book.

Maybe you like wasting your time, I don't.

>> No.4042402

>>4042374
Vilppu Drawing Manual is the one that I would recommend for the least "filler text" beginner-friendly guide but honestly if you want to improve at all you literally can't get away without reading.

>> No.4042403

>>4042391
People sounds bitter and unhelpful because they have seen questions like that almost on a daily basis. Imagine owning a hardware store and have a new guy coming in every day to ask if your place sells screwdrivers.

If you think you can get more out of a video then go ahead, but learning through books is the most sure-fire way for a beginner to learn drawing for MOST PEOPLE.

>> No.4042405

>>4042401
Becuase reading a single page from a book takes ages right? The Vandruff perspective series takes ten times longer to complete than Scott Robertsons book. But if you learned more that way, then prove it by posting your work.

>> No.4042406

>>4042402
Why wouldn't you recommend Vilppu video series instead of a shitty ass book that puts to sleep even before drawing? What's your obsession with paper?

>> No.4042409

>>4042391
Actually fucking read them before you try to argue on their validity as good resources. If you really wanted to learn you'd want to consume any and all content that could teach you something, being selective will only lead you to missing out.

>> No.4042412

>>4042403
>but learning through books is the most sure-fire way for a beginner to learn drawing for MOST PEOPLE.

For most, yes. Drawing books are so boring to me that I lose any interest in drawing itself, while videos provide me with good presentation and keep my attention high all the time. It's that simple.

>> No.4042413

>>4042364
Try watts course it will take you years to finish it but it’s pretty good. If you really never drawn before you probably should start with drawabox to improve your lign control and your sense of construction

>> No.4042420

>>4042406
>Why wouldn't you recommend Vilppu video series

Because Vilp actually yammers a lot during his old videos (never seen the NMA ones) and I thought you wanted to avoid that >>4042374 since you hate filler.

His jabbering is at his worst during his old gesture video, 2 pages of his drawing manual in PDF form will save you far more time if that's what you are into.

You seems perturbed, were you raped by a papercut or something? dayum.

>> No.4042424

>>4042420
>perturbed

Yes I am, because I ask for one thing and you give me the other. Maybe I checked those books and I didn't like them, why would someone insist on something else that is not desired, I don't know. I could have omitted the fact that I don't like learn to draw from books and this thread would be 1000x times better, but since some people are fucked in the head and have to project their preferences onto others, it's shit.

>> No.4042428

>>4042413
this.

>> No.4042445

>>4042424
Alright first of all nice digits. Secondly people are pissed because you're a newfag and refuse to read the sticky to notice the youtube channels mentioned, the /beg/ guide to notice the youtube channels or mention of drawabox, or lurk the board long enough to see there's a thread dedicated entirely to your question. Just because you ask a question doesn't mean we owe you an answer, jackass. Especially not when it's you're fault that you can find your answer

>> No.4042451

>>4042364
>>4042369
>>4042374
ngmi

>> No.4042456

fucking book niggers

>> No.4042458

>>4042364
i dont think anything can replace books, but if you really want videos i suggest draw a box, it has video every lesson

>> No.4042465

>>4042364
>I am interested mostly in human figures and faces for portraits.
proko has a portrait course, a figure drawing course and an anatomy course
hampton has a figure drawing course that's basically a video version of his book
steve huston has great video courses about drawing the head and the figure

>> No.4042472

How long until zoomers are crucified?

>> No.4042484

I, for one, agree with OP in that videos are better than books, you can see how the artist does what he does, it's a much better way of learning for a craft like this, than reading. However, there are lots of great books, but not so many great video courses, at least for now. This is changing slowly, but for now the most reliable way to get good information is from books.

>> No.4042485

>>4042364
>>4002703 is the General thread for videos. Probably CTRL PAINT for color, Istebrak youtube video for portraits.

>> No.4042492 [DELETED] 

>>4042484
Not wrong but the fact that he's completely disregarding all print material because he's too mentally deficient to read makes him a ngmi faggot

>> No.4042497

go do Dynamic Sketching with Peter Han and delete this shit thread while you're at it

>> No.4042500

>>4042497
yeah nice bait with that autistic course.

>> No.4042502

>>4042484
I'd disagree, books are the easiest and most efficient way to densely compact a great amount of information for consumption. Trying to consume that information in any other way is just going to take you longer. The only reason to not want to read is because then you wouldn't have to use your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills to understand the material. Instead it gets diced into bite sized pieces and crammed down your throat.

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>>4042364
>wants to learn
>doesn’t want to use the best resources for it

>> No.4042556

>>4042554
How are books the best resources for drawing?

They don't have good drawings inside most of the time, a lot of filler and text is not what drawing pictures is about in the first place.

>> No.4042562

>>4042556
>all art books are the same and not good enough for my snowflake needs
>video is what drawing is about

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4042563

>he didn't read the sticky because he can't read

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>>4042364
>>4042369
>>4042374
>>4042391
>>4042556
Congrats, you're the biggest retard I've encountered this month
Imagine being this fucking stupid, holy shit

>> No.4042569

>>4042566
It’s almost like he’s a zoomer or something.

>> No.4042600

>>4042412
>I NEED TO BE STIMULATED ALWAYS, BRIGHT LIGHTS HAPPY SOUNDS NOW NOW NOW
Take ADHD medication. Or stop being underaged watching Fortnite streamers.

>> No.4042615

books arent for me too cause i have bad comprehension. the mental stress is making me burn out

>> No.4042632

>>4042405
no fucking way did you complete that book in that time

i swear you guys keep recommending how to draw without ever reading it

>> No.4042634

>>4042364
get a nma subscription
there is a 7 day free trial period

>> No.4042711

>>4042632
Robertson sucks all joy out of drawing, no beginner should study his stuff.

>> No.4042714

>>4042711
It's not even just that, a figure artist or cartoonist doesn't have to know how to mirror a plane wing with mirror projection.

>> No.4042820

>>4042714
I don't understand why you wouldn't have the drive to expand your knowledge past your immediate field. A cartoonist may not need to know mirror projection but they sure as hell would be better off if they did. You don't need to use ever single tool in the toolbox, it's about having the knowledge and comprehension, then applying what you find useful.

>> No.4042835

>>4042364
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNPLX1hfy3Q8zr4eKvmhLGQ/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ProkoTV/playlists
optionally Scott Robertson &/or Peter Han because they have a lot of useful information about design, concept art and approach drawing in a different way.

Make sure you're not only copying what the instructors are doing, you're doing it from memory, & you're doing your own version(applying the principles in your own way), practice doing imagination stuff along side it, get critiques to make sure you're doing it right.

That should cover life drawing/figure to a good enough point, past that it will likely be diminishing returns (not as useful as learning something else), instead start drawing the things you want to and find material specific for that. It also helps a ton to study other people's art, probably more than anything they could say to you.

>> No.4042892 [DELETED] 

>>4042502
I'd disagree, shorter is not better. Erik Olsen's course was a joke compared to perspective books (especially handprint). I was struggling with technical perspective and I thought I would give up eventually, but his course was a breeze and everything clicked instantly.

I have adhd, reading is far more difficult to captivate my attention, I end up rereading the same page for 5-10 minutes trying to decipher what was said and still not understand, but a video will go over that concept for an hour explaining it in different ways which will click. I value longer repetitive material, watching someone draw, hearing/seeing someone rather than reading, and I've always learned easier from videos. I tried for months to read art books last year, it never got easier, and when I started watching videos it was just way easier, like the way learning should be. I would have given up on instruction if I had to stick to books.

It's person to person, don't act so sure of yourself that everyone is the same.

>> No.4042897

>>4042502
I'd disagree, shorter is not better. Erik Olsen's course was a joke compared to perspective books (especially handprint). I was struggling with technical perspective and I thought I would give up eventually, but his course was a breeze and everything clicked instantly.

I have adhd, reading is far more difficult to captivate my attention, I end up rereading the same page for 5-10 minutes trying to decipher what was said and still not understand, but a video will go over that concept for an hour explaining it in different ways which will click. I value longer repetitive material, watching someone draw, hearing/seeing someone rather than reading, and I've always learned easier from videos. I tried for months to read art books last year, it never got easier, and when I started watching videos it was just way easier, like the way learning should be, I would have given up on instruction if I had to stick to books.

It's person to person, don't act so sure of yourself that everyone is the same.

>> No.4042932

>>4042369
Read How to Read a Book by Mortimer Adler

>> No.4042942

>>4042897
Im not saying if you learn better with different sources that you shouldn't use them and i definitely didn't say that it was just shorter with books. But books can cover the same amount of information more efficiently and in a fraction of the time any teacher could possible dream to, and as long as you can read above a 6th grader then you can read faster then the teacher will spout it at you. Op was looking for stuff that was straight to the point and without much filler which is what books do, it'll only take you as fast as you can understand the information.
>reading is far more difficult to captivate my attention
And if you really can't read books i'd honestly suggest trying to work on that, maybe supplement in a book to read once a month or something cause otherwise you're just missing out on whole decades' worth of information that's just waiting to download directly into your brain noodle.

>> No.4043117

>>4042364
>I don't like learning from books when it comes to drawing,
Bad choice

>I'd prefer videos or other resources that are easy to digest and go straight to the point.
>that are easy to digest and go straight to the point.
>straight to the point.
you dont gonna find that kind of videos OP,
you can try it as long as you want and live in denial, that's your problem