/vent/ thread

[Anonymous No.4036249]

old >>4006544

>have all the expensive courses in the world to learn from
>still shit because I'm not forcing myself to try harder in going through the material
>keep going back to drawing anime shit every day

[Anonymous No.4036251]

>>4036249
no

[Anonymous No.4036254]

>>4036251
yes

[Anonymous No.4036257]

>>4036251
fuck you

[Anonymous No.4036265]

>>4036251
Throw yourself off a highway bridge.

[Anonymous No.4036266]

>away from home = want to draw
>come home = don't want to draw anymore
Anyone else has this problem?

[Anonymous No.4036267]

>>4036249
>>still shit because I'm not forcing myself to try harder in going through the material
>>keep going back to drawing anime shit every day
Sounds like you have a motivation issue. You keep defaulting back to anime because there's something about that that appeals to you, while you don't have anything post-study to aim for.

[Anonymous No.4036268]

>>4036266
yeah, it's called fear
stop being coward and pick up the pen

[Anonymous No.4036269]

>buy graphic display tablet
>cheap but works well
>get csp ex
>mfw i finally have all the shit i've wanted
>mfw i'm /beg/ as shit, barely improved in 4 years, and i just wasted $500

[Anonymous No.4036274]

>>4036269
>he BUYS his software
smfh

[Anonymous No.4036296]

>>4036267
I wanted to make a manga when I was like 14 but it's a childish dream. So now I don't know. For now I just want technical ability to draw what I want from imagination and maybe if and when I get that childish spark again I will do a webcomic

[Anonymous No.4036302]

How do I start sucking up to popular artists? How do you deal with the shame if they don't respond?

[Anonymous No.4036309]

>>4036274

Not him, but you can get csp so dirt cheap that I'm willing to pay for the convenience, honestly.

[Anonymous No.4036310]

>>4036274
give the rest of us a good crack then, crab

[Anonymous No.4036317]

>>4036302

Don't suck up, people can smell when you're being sycophantic from a mile off and it shitcans any potential respect they have for you. If you establish yourself as a 'fan' that's what you'll be to them, not a potential colleague or friend or confidant - a fan. If that's all you want, that's fine, but if you want something else, you need to know what it is you want and present yourself that way. If you want to collaborate with one you need to have something to offer - don't frame it with what YOU want, frame it with what THEY can gain, and if they don't gain anything, you're making a shit offer. I doubt you go out of your way to help anyone who comes just asking for charity, why should they?

If there's an artist you want to meet, just talk to them. If they ignore you, that sucks, move on. Don't fawn, just talk to them like they're human beings - if you like the way they do something, ask about it.

[Anonymous No.4036326]

>>4036302
If you embarrass your in the middle of the forest and no one sees it, is it really embarrassing?

>>4036266
That's cause when you're outside your imagination goes wild, when you're home your imagination suddenly becomes modest because you know you can't pull off the wacky shit you had in mind. Start doodling stuff that is way above your skill level with NO expectations that it is going to look nice, you might accidentally make something neat every now and then, but it will also teach your brain failing = learning.

>>4036309
>convenience
NPC buzzword. What's inconvenient about installing a software then dropping a crack inside its main folder?
>>4036310
Mine is a bit old but it's called CLIP_STUDIO_PAINT_EX_V1.6.2-XFORCE and was my first option when I looked for it a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.4036334]

I don't want to play the social media game but I also want validation and comm money. So much effort required to entertain some randos for a few seconds online.

[Anonymous No.4036336]

>>4036296
>childish spark
There's ways to go about exercising and reinforcing this. It just so happens it runs counter to a good portion of what ic seems to believe in though.
The less you tack onto art, the easier it is to do though.

[Anonymous No.4036345]

>>4036249
I'm never going to make it but I still keep going like a retard. I feel like a retard for posting art online that nobody sees or likes and addressing an audience that doesn't exist. A few years short of a decade, getting better and better and drawing every day didn't change a thing. I make more art than any other person I know, I post every day and that's only a tiny part of what I make.
I want to delete everything online and just keep art to myself, do it as a hobby like I should. But I went all in on this dream years ago, I have nothing left in my life and nothing to go back to. I really, really want this but nobody gives a shit about my art. I made the best quality things I could, spent so much time and effort on it and I got the same nonexistent response as 5 minute doodles. I have lost all sense of worth, I can't judge my work objectively, I have no idea anymore. I feel like I'm being gaslit by social media into thinking I'm a Chris Chan tier autist and everyone keeps me around out of pity or as a lolcow.

[Anonymous No.4036347]

>>4036326
>NPC buzzword. What's inconvenient about installing a software then dropping a crack inside its main folder?

Couldn't give less of a fuck if you pirate, I pirated it for years, but...

Finding the cracked software, finding updates whenever you want to update, making sure you don't get a shit crack, and software pending, fucking with firewall options, anti-virus options, switching off your internet to install, etc.
There's a lot of small nuisances when it comes to software piracy, it's worth it for overpriced bloatware like photoshop, but it's still worth $20-30 to me to not have to bother when it comes to most software.

Not to mention I like the software and don't mind paying the developers for it when it's well-priced. I get my money's worth.

[Anonymous No.4036354]

>>4036317
Honestly, the other side of your argument IS the person who goes out of their way to give, and I feel it's both a shame because the world should operate like this, and because anyone who tries gets either sucked into, or destroyed by, the way things are.

[Anonymous No.4036357]

>>4036326
>NPC buzzword. What's inconvenient about installing a software then dropping a crack inside its main folder?
Can you use the cloud if you pirate CSP? They give you 15gb of cloud to store your data and your .clip files, I lost my hard drive recently and had to replace it, as soon as I installed CSP it downloaded my work environment exactly as it was, materials, brushes, page templates and all. I got free updates for I can't remember how many years without having to reinstall every time.
I'm super stingy with money but I don't regret a single penny I spent on EX.

[Anonymous No.4036361]

I can’t shake the feeling that I’ll never be taken seriously as a creator. I’m 25 and got my start making shitty webcomics, and even got to publish some work, but looking back on it I can see how staggeringly mediocre it is. I compare my “early work” to other artists’ and I realize I can’t be on the same level they’re on, by any means. I don’t have an imagination. I don’t make interesting drawings. Everything I draw looks like some mediocre animu-tumblr garbage hybrid and I don’t know how to break out of shitty habits. I’m so scared that I’m never going to make a name of myself with my work. It’s all I have, my only passion in life. I don’t know what else I can do at this point. I’ve already tarnished my career with shit smears.

Ok that’s it. Until next time, /vent/.

[Anonymous No.4036365]

>>4036354
>because the world should operate like this,

The world shouldn't operate on 'ask and you shall receive', it should operate on fair exchange. Nobody who's reasonably successful has the time to be pampering every unsuccessful person asking for a favor, and they shouldn't have a responsibility to. Successful people are usually fucking busy doing what they need to do to be successful.

I'm not saying never be charitable, it's certainly a virtue to give more than you take. I'm saying never EXPECT charity. It's definitely not a virtue to take more than you give, and that's what you're doing when you're asking someone for something and offering nothing in return.

[Anonymous No.4036368]

I fucking HATE how I draw, I can't stand looking at my own art.
I keep trying to finish at least one thing, just one piece and I cane barely do it.
Never get any replies or critique on /ic/either.

I've been at it for an embarrassingly long time, why the fuck can't I just do it?

[Anonymous No.4036369]

>>4036347
>>4036357
>firewall
>antivirus
>cloud
Yup, NPCs. Stick to drawing on your phones or buy a Mac already since you like burning money.

>I’ve already tarnished my career with shit smears.
Is that just mediocre art or did you stir up some drama as well?

[Anonymous No.4036370]

>complete art college where you draw, paint and do traditional prints for 3 years
>buy iPad Pro with Apple Pencil
>draw almost exclusively on an iPad for a year straight
>recently buy a new pen and a sketchbook
>pen doesn't have a QuickShape feature and strokes don't disappear when you tap with 2 fingers
>drawings look like /beg/
>suddenly realize you can't draw without an iPad anymore
>one year completely undid 3 years of learning to use traditional tools
You got me good Apple

[Anonymous No.4036372]

>>4036268
>>4036326
Yeah, you're both probably right. I have so much to draw but fear of actually trying to draw it or just doodle whatever to practice because I have such a low skill it's laughable. I don't even have anything to pyw.

[Anonymous No.4036374]

>>4036326
>>4036310
>>4036274
>>4036269
just use medibang paint desu
it's like paint.net but for drawing

[Anonymous No.4036376]

>still can't draw decent looking figures from imagination
FUCK

[Anonymous No.4036377]

>>4036369
piratefags who attack others for buying inexpensive good software are the most obnoxious category of people on the internet
you make pirating shit a point of pride and part of your identity, you are literally a waste of semen

[Anonymous No.4036383]

>>4036369
>Yup, NPCs. Stick to drawing on your phones or buy a Mac already since you like burning money.

It's cute that you think being broke or stingy makes you a main character or something. Nobody fucking cares that you pirate software, it's not hard, it's just mildly annoying and some people can afford to spend $30 on something they use for hours every day.

[Anonymous No.4036384]

>>4036361
>>4036369 here, forgot to quote.

[Anonymous No.4036416]

>>4036368
Read the second part of >>4036326, it might help you.
I never failed to get replies back in /beg/, you can always repost or quote yourself asking again, though. When you write and explain what you're struggling with specifically, it helps people on giving you a direction as well.

>>4036377
There are proportionally four times more women in STEM (24%) than on Torrent websites (6%), so I think it's fair to say it is an "identity-defining" behavior. One that is even more polarized than politics or even sexual orientation. That's why capitalism revolves around females: they don't like to hunt or learn how things work, as long as they work. And they believe in terms such as "convenience", "rich presence" or "value for money".

Congratulations for keeping the software developers fed, my criticism is not about that, but the constant spread of this lazy lie that pirating is somehow a puzzling task bound to take hours out of your day just to get it working.

[Anonymous No.4036419]

>>4036384
Mediocre art. It feels like that’s going to be what people see when they think of me and my work forever

[Anonymous No.4036449]

>>4036416
>but the constant spread of this lazy lie that pirating is somehow a puzzling task bound to take hours out of your day just to get it working.

Nobody said that, they said buying it was more convenient, which it generally is. I spent money on a lead holder because sharpening my pencil is inconvenient, not because sharpening pencils is fucking hard. And when it's more inconvenient to legitimately buy something, most people pirate in droves. Products live and die on how little effort is required to make them do what we want them to.

Money just represents value, anon. Convenience is valuable to many people. They are willing to trade [x amount of time they spent earning that money] for [x thing]. That's all it needs to be, and if you're not, nobody fucking cares. Spend that money you saved on liquor, or a prostitute, or give it to charity, that's your business.

[Anonymous No.4036586]

>>4036368
>>4036416
Here's shit I've recently been working on; a page and something more rendered.

I hate both of them, I keep getting stuck on inane shit I should know how to do by now and I genuinely have no idea how (as in what style) I want to do my art in.
I know WHAT I want to draw but not how I want to present it, so I just keep trying shit but nothing ever sticks/clicks

[Anonymous No.4036774]

>>4036365
I never said any of that, buddy.

[Anonymous No.4036819]

I feel like im not getting anywhere with my drawings.maybe im just an autist that only understand math and science and have no aptitude for art

[Anonymous No.4036826]

>>4036586
I've seen that figure on the right so many different times now, are you STILL fucking working on it?

[Anonymous No.4036840]

The more i draw the more I realize that talent is real and im just wasting my time

[Anonymous No.4036866]

I didn’t draw for a month now rip

[Anonymous No.4036914]

>>4036586
Not bad at all, anon. I can see why you struggle, but honestly even if you never improved anymore this would be acceptable for telling stories in a satisfactory way (assuming you can do hands/feet and connect them to the body).

If telling stories is your main goal, maybe try going for it and embracing the pain of birthing something into the world, however defective you may think it is.

There is what >>4036826 brought up, though. Even if your skill is acceptable, your output must go up.

I suffer the same problems, so if you need a friend, check my Craiglist ad over >>4036897

[Anonymous No.4037071]

Goddamn it i can copy from ref accurately but i cant draw from imagination at all

[Anonymous No.4037081]

>>4036249
/vent/ threads are actual cancer eating away at this board, they started a couple of years ago to the supreme disgust of everyone here, only to become routine once summer came around and the board was flooded with faggoty little tweens like you

WAAH MY LIFE IS HARD LIVING WITH MOMMY AND DRAWING ON MY LAPTOP
kill yourself you pussy i hope you get drafted

[Anonymous No.4037088]

>>4037081
Stop sucking dicks and get back to drawing you whiny bitch

[Anonymous No.4037095]

i dont like realism but i have to learn it to draw anime
i hate it

[Anonymous No.4037097]

>>4037088
listen you your own advice you whiney little bitch

[Anonymous No.4037099]

>>4037081
I hope you realize I make 90% of the threads here and has been that way for many years.

[Anonymous No.4037101]

>>4037099
so youre responsible for all of the fucking garbage flooding this board then, kys

[Anonymous No.4037103]

>>4037101
You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.4037105]

>>4037081
>Imagine being in this board for couple of years and still ngmi
Thats so depressing why didn’t you kys yet anon ?

[Anonymous No.4037108]

>>4037105
why dont you suck my cock retard? post your work

[Anonymous No.4037111]

>>4037105
>ask for work when he didnt post his own work and uses childish insults
Damn this is sad

[Anonymous No.4037116]

It's annoying that still insist on getting "greatest and most intuitive" how to draw manual before starting a drawing or painting on any medium. Like, just start drawing already you shitty fuck.

Also all discord users ask for tuts or tuts images, that i only found to be tutorial after i transferred to PC. I started a spiel about Tutankhamen because I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.4037457]

I have no talent for coloring and shading but fuck it. I'm going to prove that even though I can only draw line art, I can still become an amazing artist.

[Anonymous No.4037947]

>>4037457
If you still wanna learn it, paint from life using only primary colors (plus black and white), this will force you to learn how to mix and that is a big eye opener.
As for shadows, yeah, volumetry comes with time, gotta paint in 3D before you know what your shadow lines represent. FEEL THE FORM.

[Anonymous No.4038559]

>take a break after using Procreate for weeks to go back to doing traditional sketches
>immediately find myself two-finger tapping the paper with my left hand to try to undo strokes

[Anonymous No.4038834]

>be me, who's pretty decent at drawing

>joins discord art server full of dudes jacking off to anatomically incorrect waifus

>what's this? am I about to make an art friend

>person checks my social media, but doesn't try to talk to me

>hmmm

>months later, artikun0 dramu happens. said artist follows dreamneko out or pity

>mfw ppl flock to other artist for follow counts regardless of skill level

>gdi I want to make art friends that wants to draw anime waifus reeeeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.4038850]

>>4036416
based post

[Anonymous No.4038873]

I'm good at drawing porn and I don't really have any social media accounts, but right now I need some quick cash. Is it a good idea to sell out on /aco/ commission threads?

[Anonymous No.4038878]

I spent 2 whole years doodling stupid little funny faces every few days and telling myself how cool an artist I was. Maybe once a month I'd attempt an anime girl, only to get half way through and give up, or finish it and be so terrified of the result I'd not attempt it again for ages. I've finally started to pick up the pace this year and actually draw shit I was too scared to before (like actual finished drawings), but god damn did I waste a lot of time. Yeah they look like shit but at least it's a start! I can only improve from here. Don't let fear of failure cause you to procrastinate and stagnate.

[Anonymous No.4039020]

I haven't drawn in weeks .. I don't feel motivated or inspired or anything, just numb. No point in attempting anything. No desire to. Why waste hours on a thing I'll just scrap. How do I get out of this?

[Anonymous No.4039436]

I'm a filthy /beg/ so I should know that I suck big time but I still somehow keep thinking I'm better than other /beg/s because I thought some of my scetches looked good at some point. This just makes all the more angsty when I actually try to draw and despite my best efforts my my stuff looks awful with wonky proportions, perspective, chickenscratch and everything else.

[Anonymous No.4039453]

How do I stop getting annoyed and mad at other people's OC? What is a positive way I can view them?

I wanted to join some art communities but they're all pretty shit. I try to tune out the stuff I don't care about but it's annoying how cliquey people are and they crowd around people drawing their stupid characters over and over again while never getting better. The other people more than make up for it but they post less frequently because it takes more time to do that than shitty oc doodles. I don't know how to find anyone similar to my interests whatsoever so it's a lonely path.

[Anonymous No.4039499]

>>4039453
Nothing to help, but my local art discord server is the same. Most people on their do art as a hobby or are really young. The average art level is pic related. I like them as people, but most of them are need to be spoonfed on art 24/7. The art-tips server is just people asking for Pinterest tutorials. Somebody today asked for hair tutorials. Like how pathetic do you have to be to ask for hair tutorials on discord when you could just google it. I once posted a critique in the showcase, by accident, and the user I critiqued proceeded to have a mental breakdown.

I also find it really funny how the best artist on the server, think high intermediate, is nip who cant stop horny posting about yaoi. I've only seen them make 1 art post outside of the NSFW server.

[Anonymous No.4039503]

>That one guy who pops in your notifications time and time again liking your stuff whenever you tweet art but never follows you

I just want to block your ass so bad.

[Anonymous No.4039535]

>>4039453
I love seeing people's OCs and even the most /beg/ fursona is 10000x more soulful and artistic than yet another soulless faggot fanart

[Anonymous No.4039542]

>>4039503
I hate the ones who like every single thing in you gallery before they run and never rented. If your going to like my 30 shitty drawings. Might as well follow.

[Anonymous No.4039552]

>>4039542
>>4039503
>that one guy who follows you and likes everything you draw but never retweets
>check his profile
>all his retweets are shitty porn

[Anonymous No.4039562]

>>4039499
Jeez, where do you even start critiquing something that looks like that

[Anonymous No.4039572]

>>4039499
That seems like an unfortunate server but similar things happen. There are people who post asking for critique looking barely above that and it's like, how do you critique something that looks like it's from deviantart in 2008? I'm not trying to be a pro or anything but I just keep my mouth shut. So many pieces would just be "start over and learn fundies of any kind".

[Anonymous No.4039576]

>>4036774

What you said wasn't particularly coherent, so I had to guess.

[Anonymous No.4039594]

>friends share everyone else's commission sheets except mine
i know this is faggy but it's still an incredibly shitty feel

[Anonymous No.4039613]

i can't fucking stand people who follow people either for clout or for "pity" because they're a smaller artist. if you're not actually interested in my work you can fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4039619]

>>4039613
>Rando follows you
>You don't follow back
>They follow you

Yeah I get you, the shit is annoying

[Anonymous No.4039620]

>>4039619
*unfollows

Well fuck my ass

[Anonymous No.4039630]

>>4039613
I feel better when a clearly professional artist follows me without following them. But I do wonder if they actually like my work or that starved for more followers.

[Anonymous No.4039633]

Fuck artists and their cringy personality.

>>4039613
Also this shit so much.

[Anonymous No.4039637]

>>4039613
I assume everyone who follows me is either a bot or doing this
there's one guy in particular that is way too good for me to believe he actually likes my work

[Anonymous No.4039672]

>>4039552
Reminds me when I was on DA years ago of these 2 or 3 accounts that would fave *everything* I put out. They never commented, only faved.

Intrigued one day, I checked out their accounts and each had around 20-30k favorites but barely any comments or journals. I think one or 2 had shitty art in their own galleries.

I was creeped out that someone would waste their life for hours daily (year after year) on DeviantArt mindlessly favoriting everything their eyes laid on.

Holy shit dudes, go outside and get some fucking therapy.

[Anonymous No.4039717]

People still recognize me 2 years later. I hoped I had gotten better and past all that shit. But a certain group of autists always manages to track me down.
It's so fucking annoying.

[Anonymous No.4039791]

How to make my gf an artfag? I'm thinking about trying to take her painting or something.

[Anonymous No.4039852]

>>4039672
I've always thought they used a bot. The reason why some people do that because on deviantart if you're a small artist and you get a fave its customary to go into some one's account and say "thank you for the fave". Thats a free view and potential follower.

[Anonymous No.4039867]

>>4039717
Fuck annon thats my fear. I was retarted on deviantart back then. I deleted most of my stuff, but the fact some random person could still figure out its me scares me.
Also backstory on those stalkers?

[Anonymous No.4039965]

>>4039867
Just a group of autists I pissed off back in the day for not sucking their dicks hard enough. Instead of handling it like men they made it into a drama whorefest and basically ruined the entire community.

[Anonymous No.4039972]

>>4039965
Not him, but it seems to me like you should have sucked more dicks. If you want to get anywhere in life you must have connections and that means sucking dick, nobody likes a smartass.

[Anonymous No.4039975]

>>4039972
I'd rather die desu. It's not like they mattered to me on any level, it was just a group I had fun talking to. The only reason I care at all anymore is because they're insane and wont leave me alone.

[Anonymous No.4040038]

>>4036249
>want to paint
>havent painted a painting in months because lazy
>want to sculpt
>shit at sculpting and to lazy to practice
>want to draw
>don't want to do the line work practice so my shit looks unclean and always will

I fucking hate myself.

[Anonymous No.4040108]

>>4036249
Everytime I have mild success in social media with a piece of art I start obsessing over how to replicate that success, which ends up getting in the way of actually being creative.
Honestly I just hate the fact that I have to use social media at all, it's cool for reaching an audience and all but it's still designed to be addictive and the dopamine high I get from likes gets in the way of healthy habits. Wish I could just ignore likes and shit but I want to know how well each artwork does.

[Anonymous No.4040116]

feeling ngmi I can't draw after work I only draw on my days off what do I do to stop jerking off and playing video games

[Anonymous No.4040136]

They say to keep going no matter what and never give up, but I've been doing this for almost a decade now and I don't have one ounce of dream left in me.
I have attempted other things in life I wasn't nearly this passionate about and I have always seen a positive cycle of reward: you get ok enough to do a thing, you are requested to do the thing, you get rewarded, you do it better, get more rewards. This is why successful people managed to go on for years, they still had one little success at a time to keep them going. I haven't seen this with art at all. It's just posting work for nobody to see, and all you get is a random number that doesn't even match how good your drawing is, maybe a sketch gets more numbers than a portfolio worthy illustration. This is not something that human beings should endure. If you keep going for 7, 8 years in this context your mentality is not that of a winner who never gives up, it's the mentality of a pathological gambler: wasting resources endlessly in hope of a reward that will never come.
The second worst thing is that I can't possibly quit even if. I absolutely should. My art isn't that good, hell there are teenagers better than me, what I have to say isn't interesting, I as a person am not interesting enough to use art as just an accessory. No part of me is required at all. The first worst thing is that when I feel this miserable I can't work. I would be ok feeling like this if I could still manage to be productive but I just can't. So I just feel like shit, unable to work, and I lose 1 day, and if the next day I don't wake up on the right foot I lose another day.
Everything is wrong, nothing works. I'm a faulty machine.

[Anonymous No.4040137]

>>4036376
This is starting to get to me as well. It hurts lads

[Anonymous No.4040139]

>>4036376
you actually have to draw them very well from observation first before you can realisticly do that. use your brain

[Anonymous No.4040589]

I'm thinking of leaving /ic for a while, ideal months to a year.
To be honest I only stop by for those reference threads and resources. Other then those, I don't know why I hang around to shit post. It takes away time I could be drawing and or doing studies. Guess hat goes to show you how weak willed I am.
My art is in the middle ground where it isn't bad enough to get critique or good enough to get praised. Tends to be ignored for the most part. So I am not really receiving help in that department. I guess I'll take that as a sign I need to reflect it by myself and self critique it. I'm going to go off to do studies on my own and post else where and try to go back to the drawthreads. Go back to trying to draw more and finding my own way on art.
I'm one of those people where if I announce something I'll follow through and commit. So hopefully I wont be around to see any responses and or reply. Because then I'll be even more disappointed in myself.

[Anonymous No.4040596]

Something is really urging me to make seinen level comics for north america
There's no oshimi shuzo or an inio asano of the west yet
I'm always contemplative if I would just make myself look like a tryhard pretentious wangsty edgelord that wants to look deep and relatable
I'm not even that old, so I probably need to wear out the remaining teen angst and actually grow up
I might not even have a chance amongst the untold hundreds of millions of current day freelance/hobbyist/comic artists

[Anonymous No.4040604]

>>4040596
(cont)
I guess I can start somewhere by doing pixiv and 1 mainstream social media site and post regularly
For the former I would have to start learning japanese AGAIN, but it may be fun to learn that whilst also learning chinese too
that could prompt me to make art daily
Or
a more fun way to promote myself would be here, and /co/ I guess someday.
there's also that one thread right now with a few guys proposing to make a new site, that could be cool if it actually becomes a success

[Anonymous No.4040891]

I give up. I want to go back to my doctor and take 200 brain pills a day so I become a walking corpse again and feel nothing so I can just wageslave until I die.
I'm such a fucking loser, I failed.

[Anonymous No.4040911]

>>4036345
Post your work.

[Anonymous No.4040991]

>>4039576
Wasn't coherent, or you just read ten levels deep drawing from a bad experience?

Can you tell the difference between a sycophant and someone who is outgoing? Do you think you can ever really know someone's intent online let alone in real life? Do you care to try to tell the difference? Or do you just get a feeling and run with it? Or just cut people off altogether? And in so doing risk destroying something people see as rare(though I'd argue is much more common than people think). I know I've been on the pessimistic side of those questions enough. It's a balancing act, and one I believe should always be- even counterintuitively- subverted towards the optimistic.
Online is cynical and competitive and distrusting. There are arguments for the former, but there are also arguments that it's not human enough- that it's plastic and forced, and could use a dose of reality in human nature in full.
Far from just being a playground of thought, the internet is both Congress and court for humankind. Success and failure in real life are made online. People sudoku or go into hiding because of what happens online. It's a primitive exercise in higher consciousness, one without physical restrictions. And to borrow from the metaphor, these are still the outlaw pioneer days, absent law, lynch mobs roam freely meting out frontier justice. In fact I view it as a trial for the very future of mankind(think of all the ways you can envision it going wrong).
You can listen to all this or not, or maybe you'll believe I'm a time travelling alien telling you not to fail this trust experiment because trust is a universal currency, and humankind really does not want to be seen as a parasite. But, ultimately, I enjoy being what I feel is a much needed exception, and will continue to do so,
You do you chief!

[Anonymous No.4041000]

>>4039975
Iktf, try and take it in stride. You can have a positive impact along the way if you do. Call it an exercise in humility.
Outlook can make a world of difference. Either way, I hope you get to a place of peace with it, if not those people.

[Anonymous No.4041063]

I hate all of you.
/ic/ honestly gives me major flashbacks to the singular required art class I took in my freshman year of college, where I met a bunch of fluffy-haired pieces of shit who all readily admitted they didn't know what they were aiming for and every single one that I met wanted to go to the same school for the same degree.
90% of the people on this godforsaken board are pretentious, overzealous faggots who don't know the first thing about actually drawing, because you're too caught up in the idea of "being an artist" and "doing it right" and "AM I GONNA MAKE IT??!" to actually shut the fuck up and just draw. Stop being self-absorbed, self-hateful little pricks and go outside.
Genuinely, people who start out drawing by scribbling in their notebooks in homeroom are better artists than most of the Cintiq-wielding maggots over here. They have perspective. People who buy thousands of dollars of machinery and think Clip Art Studio are actually necessities to be a good artist are just the modernly relevant version of art gallery faggots who sucked pop and abstract artist's dicks because they wanted a piece of the "anyone can be an artist oh look at me I'm so subversive" pie to make themselves feel like they weren't wastes of oxygen.
It's all about people who have no skill or place in society trying to gain control over what they see as a "subculture". Drawing or painting or whatever the fuck isn't a subculture. It's just a thing people can do with our advanced monkey-thumb hand-eye coordination. There's no expectations of you. The only motherfucker putting expectations onto your art is YOU, because you're insecure and hate yourself and think art is the only thing that you can do to make yourself valuable to others. You're really just further insulting yourself and dragging art down with you.
I meet too many of you fuckers, and I'm sick of it. Furry fetish commissioners are preferable to /ic/ users because they have modesty and introspection.

[Anonymous No.4041080]

I'm just so lonely /:

[Anonymous No.4041083]

>>4041063
Additionally, if you're someone who wants to start drawing or is new to art who feels like you have to listen to failures on the internet to "make it in art", stop yourself right the fuck now.
Draw cartoons. Draw shitty anime. Draw nothing but Dragon Ball characters. Trace. Copy. Do what YOU want to. Learn in ways YOU want to, above what anyone else says. If you don't have any pretensions of becoming some world-renown professional, which you fucking shouldn't because you're putting the cart before the horse, then you have absolutely no limits to what you can do no matter what anyone else says.
The fact of the matter is that nobody but YOU gives a shit about your art. To most here, that reads as a bad thing, because they want attention. fame. money and acknowledgement. But it's a fucking blessing. You are the God of your own domain, and you can populate it with whatever you want, however you want.
And if you want to get into art to be famous, popular and rich? Get a real job first. Making money as an artist is the single most unstable investment you can make. Having a job isn't selling your soul, and you'll still have time to draw or do art for spare money on Fiverr or some shit, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar or a Communist.

Godspeed to everyone. The only way to not make it is to convince yourself you won't make it.

[Anonymous No.4041321]

AAAAA
I don't wanna draw a fuck ton of circles and skeletons
I just wanna draw cute girls with dicks that don't look like shit
AAAAA

[Anonymous No.4041411]

>>4040116
>feeling ngmi I can't draw after work

Force yourself to, friend. That was me for the entire first half of the year. But lately it's been going strong for a month now.

[Anonymous No.4041711]

>>4036249
The the fuck are so many art tutorials aimed at 3d artists? Whenever I find a site full of good art tutorials they all turn out to be for 3d artists.

[Anonymous No.4041718]

>>4041321
Do both at the same time so you can apply the circles and skeletons to the cute girls with dicks. They'll look like shit at first, but you need to get through the bad drawings to make good drawings.

[Anonymous No.4042086]

what's the point anymore. I've accepted I'm ngmi but I've been scribbling since I was a kid so instead of giving up entirely I'm stuck with eternal dissatisfaction. It's never enough.

[Anonymous No.4042342]

I've been stuck on a certain number of followers on twitter and it's driving me insane, because I'm so close to hitting a mile stone where I wanted to do an art raffle to gain even more followers...
It wouldn't bother me as much if it wasn't that someone would follow me, and then immediately after someone else unfollows? and it's not the same person, I checked. I don't really post any harsh opinions about anything and I regularly post art, but despite my art getting attention, my follower count doesn't grow
I mean, in the end it won't stop me from trying to get better at art, but it's just really frustrating

[Anonymous No.4042426]

>>4041411
I'll force it it's just hard to come home take a shower and then not be a potato maybe I should just go to sleep I can draw when I wake up in the morning sometimes

[Anonymous No.4042522]

>>4041321
>with dicks
fag, stay lonely and horny forever

[Anonymous No.4042635]

>actually start practicing every day
>alright I'm doing good, let's play some games
>GPU dies
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Anonymous No.4043199]

>>4041711
Because 2D art community is oversaturated

[Anonymous No.4043203]

>>4041711
because 3d is the future.half of kid shows now days are in 3d

[Anonymous No.4043226]

>>4043203
Jimmy Neutron was a 2001 show. 3D is not the future. We've had numerous 3D kids shows in the early 2000s.

[Anonymous No.4043243]

>>4043226
3d is the future now, not because it has never been done before. It's the future because it can now be done in a way that doesn't look like Jimmy Neutron

[Anonymous No.4043553]

>finish a drawing
>bother cleaning and rendering, mostly a finished piece
>no response
>no critiques

>do half assed doodle
>multiple critiques
>fully mapped out perspective grids and paint overs
I'm happy for the help. But god damn, I didn't even bother trying on it and I just wanted to draw something that day.

[Anonymous No.4043688]

>>4043243
That's what boomers think.

[Anonymous No.4043770]

>>4043553
/ic/ only bothers critiquing stuff they perceive as bad, and since most are /beg/s they perceive anything rendered as good

[Anonymous No.4043776]

>>4043688
If anything oldfags are the only ones still attached to 2D because they grew up with it. Everything you see that is still made in 2D is due to budget constraints, hell you can even make 3D shit that looks like 2D and it takes way less skill to animate unless you're doing AAA tier work.

[Anonymous No.4043780]

>>4043776
>3D is more expensive then 2D

[Anonymous No.4043833]

>>4036369
>Stick to drawing on your phones
I-it's not my fault I'm a poor student!

[Anonymous No.4043837]

>>4041083
>Get a real job first.
fuck off wagecuck

[Anonymous No.4043865]

>>4041083
>he’s not a communist

[Anonymous No.4043976]

>>4043770
It wasn't even /ic/ though. On here I'd call them a faggot and laugh at their shitty critique. Since its attached to me though I have to pretend to be grateful.

[Anonymous No.4044133]

>>4041083
This >>4043837
I don't want to get a job, it's not a philosophical stance or I think I'm too hot for working, I just physically can't endure it. I tried working and I felt like going insane. I never lasted more than a month on probably the cushiest job I ever landed and I immediately quit after the paycheck I needed. I would rather be waterboarded daily than work 8 hours + commute.

[Anonymous No.4044142]

>>4044133
post your job experience, we need more understanding at least

[Anonymous No.4044163]

>>4044133
do part time you monkey you can tell them you only work 20 hours a week right

[Anonymous No.4044171]

>>4044142
I always ended up in customer service because that's where I worked first. I tried looking for something like graphic design but it's almost impossible in this country, even moderately sized industries just hire someone's cousin for a shitty copy/paste job when they need a flyer.
>>4044163
Most jobs are 2-3 hours commute away, back AND forth, and I'd have to pay 3/4 my wage for rent if I moved into the city. Of course I look for part time but I still end up wasting 10 hours on the job. I refuse to apply to McDonald's.

[Anonymous No.4044195]

>>4044171
do you know anyone you could move in with that lives in the city? a friend? a relative or cousin?

[Anonymous No.4044203]

i finally got my instagram popular artist crush to comment on my stuff and even follow with both of their bigger and spam accounts but now i feel empty and feeling like i don't have a goal anymore. i grinded everyday for the past 6 months to get my art to be noticed by them and now that it has i lost interest.

[Anonymous No.4044205]

>>4044195
Nope. When I said half my wage for rent I meant living in a students' house or something. The job situation in this country is generally poor and we have an employment problem, so beggars can't be choosers.
It looks like I'll never make it in art, so I feel trapped.

[Anonymous No.4044206]

>>4044203
interact with them more, talk to them in comments or something
get to know their friends better
if it gets better this way, you could aim to make a collaborative piece with them

[Anonymous No.4044215]

>>4044205
well, shit sucks then, don’t know what to say other than just make graphic design a side freelance paid hobby
search hard for a decent field, don’t close doors

[Anonymous No.4044266]

>>4044215
>search hard for a decent field
I just wanna make it in art

[Anonymous No.4044411]

>only way i can easily shill out my commissions is to make the main image a bara scaley commission i did
>don't want to have a furry reputation but the only people who have commissioned me so far just want furry shit
i want to fucking end it bros. i fucking hate drawing furries but they're so fucking easy to shill to, i wish someone would just commission me some humanoid shit for a change

[Anonymous No.4044417]

>>4036249
i feel like im lost and idk what to study from. there are just too much information now days

[Anonymous No.4044432]

anyone else have a fear of criticism that isn't actually of the criticism itself but the fear that people might see you as a whiny fuck if you don't respond properly? i love receiving criticism but i'm always worried my responses might accidentally look sarcastic/passive-aggressive because i'm really shit at wording things and expressing sincerity/gratitude

[Anonymous No.4044480]

>>4044432
I fear criticism because I hate the idea of being perceived as an idiot. If I post a crappy piece of art I hate the fact I might be perceived as another instagram artist wanabee or someone who doesn't know how bad their art is.

[Anonymous No.4044726]

How do you do good lineart

[Anonymous No.4044768]

>try drawing something
>realize it's shit and I can't do half the things I want to do in that piece
>give up and throw it away

[Anonymous No.4044894]

>>4036345
I am curious? Where can I find your art online?

[Anonymous No.4044912]

>>4036368
I can relate. Do you have any social media? Maybe I can help.

[Anonymous No.4044958]

>>4037095
Yep, same here. I once talked with a Japanese animator and the first thing that he told me was to draw from reality.

[Anonymous No.4044963]

>>4038873
That sucks. Now I am interested in seeing your art.

[Anonymous No.4044970]

>>4044894
how do you folks on /ic/ expect people to post their public social media accounts after a post like that? you know why these posts are made anonymously or on throwaway accounts?

[Anonymous No.4044973]

I was on vacation for a month, one fucking month with no art. How to get back in the groove?

[Anonymous No.4044975]

>>4044970
no one cares if you post on 4chan.what matters is if you can draw well enough or not

[Anonymous No.4044977]

>upload shit drawing
>know its shit, but haven't uploaded in awhile
>compare to the rest of my gallery and its still shit

>it gets more likes than everything else
>it has the exact same tags
>nobody goes back to like any of the other images
but why

[Anonymous No.4044981]

>>4044977
it's called a pity like

[Anonymous No.4044988]

>>4044981
Pity like the rest of my shit then faggots. I'm desperate for the attention.

[Anonymous No.4044990]

>>4044973
Do basic studies and masters stues aswell. If we have a inspo thread in the catalog look there

[Anonymous No.4044992]

>>4044988
your other work is probably not bad enough for a pity like yet not good enough for a genuine one

[Anonymous No.4044999]

I hate being disabled. I have tremors, which makes me shake. and tried doing the drawabox lessons + exercises, and mine look so fucking awful. even if I ghost the lines, I will fuck it up. its bullshit.
if god exists he is an asshole. gives me a love for the arts, but a disability that causes me to shake. FUCK

[Anonymous No.4045006]

>>4044999
Shouldn't it be possible to take medication for shakes? Metal Gear Solid taught me that if you take Diazepam your hands are steady enough to use a sniper rifle.

[Anonymous No.4045023]

>>4044999
Also disabled annon. When I lose control of my blood sugar I can't concentrate and my hands also start to shake

[Anonymous No.4045123]

>>4036249
>mfw I was a senior in high school and a sophomore's art was magnitudes better than mine

[Anonymous No.4045126]

>>4045123
Happens to everyone

[Anonymous No.4045391]

>>4045006
>Shouldn't it be possible to take medication for shakes?
took them when was younger. they didn't work for me. but that was a long time ago. might look into that.
>>4045023
>Also disabled annon. When I lose control of my blood sugar I can't concentrate and my hands also start to shake
diabetes? sounds like. no offense.

[Anonymous No.4045399]

>>4044963
I'll probably post something in the porn thread soon. I need critique to get even better and then get my stuff out there.

[Anonymous No.4045446]

I love drawing so much 1nd I want to give it my all and make a career out of it but I have no ideas and never Know what to draw, I can't even build a portfolio or even finish something
Kill me

[Anonymous No.4045578]

>that guy who likes and retweets all of my art but don't follow me

[Anonymous No.4045579]

>>4045578
>that guy who continuously likes and retweets my art but doesn't follow me back and keeps tweeting that "art trades are open for mutuals"

[Anonymous No.4045780]

it's my birthday and I feel too old now

[Anonymous No.4045927]

I'm so tired of being bad. People say eventually you enjoy doing what you do but I don't. I dont have the grit mentality. I've been at it for just a single year and it was miserable all the way through. And i still suck so much shit at art its unbearable. I really want to kill myself.

[Anonymous No.4045930]

>>4045927
Post your latest work.

[Anonymous No.4045935]

>>4045930
Here you go. Yes i know the hand is wrong.

[Anonymous No.4045941]

>>4045935
Do you have any saved study or practice pages?

[Anonymous No.4045949]

>>4045941
I guess i have these sketches. Both from imagination.
1/2

[Anonymous No.4045953]

2

[Anonymous No.4045964]

>>4045949
>>4045953
Are you going for a cartoon look or is this all you can do? Not being a dick but if it's the latter you need the basics and you need to focus on one thing at the time.

[Anonymous No.4045969]

>>4045964
I was going for it yeah. But my fundamentals still suck ass so.

[Anonymous No.4045985]

>>4045949
It looks as if you were only drawing from imagination, if you don't take in new information you're just practicing the same mistakes over and over.

study anatomy, gesture, figure, that's your biggest issue right now and it's not hard to fix. Studying is a lot easier the longer you do it, 2 years ago it was painful for me, now I do it on a daily basis without thinking about it.

[Anonymous No.4045989]

>>4045985
This.

[Anonymous No.4045999]

>>4045949
>>4045953
Not to be a dick Anon but it's only been a year. I'm a very impatient person, I went through similar pains when I was starting out and I still occasionally get them now. Just know, art is a marathon not a race so it's best to learn how to cope.

Create a study routine and keep grinding. Don't forget to draw what makes you happy in between as you want to avoid burnout.

[Anonymous No.4046135]

I just can't fucking do it. I can never vent my frustration because every time I come to /ic/ the first post I read makes me laugh hysterically. Seeing all these /beg/ tier artists suffer and knowing they'll never be able to be better than me after drawing for many years makes me laugh. ITS JUST SO FUCKING FUNNY

[Anonymous No.4046138]

>>4046135
Based sociopath

[Anonymous No.4046139]

WHAT IF I GO BLIND ONE DAY AND ALL THIS GOES TO WASTE. AHHHJHHH

[Anonymous No.4046333]

>>4046135
I feel a sense of cringe and sadness. I'm a part of an art discord and I see a lot og beginners ranting over how their art isnt improving and the only response people can come up with is 'your art is fine the way it is', 'art should be fun', 'have you tried lavendertowne'. I try to help them, but I know a thousand more artist like them exist. They're stuck in a circlejerk of false support and once they almost figure it out they get love bombed back into delusion. I was one of them so I just feel sad when I see then suffer like that.

[Anonymous No.4046338]

>>4046139
Came back from the doctor. Everythings fine

[Anonymous No.4046469]

>>4046333
>They're stuck in a circlejerk of false support and once they almost figure it out they get love bombed back into delusion.

[Anonymous No.4046544]

>have an idea
>excited to draw it all day at work
>put stylus to pad
>immediately lose all faith in the idea and all desire to see it through
>immediately think that no one will care about it and there's no point to making art that no one else will give a shit about
>never practice because of this so never get good enough to be confident in my work again

[Anonymous No.4046559]

>Draw and tweet out a bunch of lewd drawings that generally attract normies and those people that have "hey i like smut :) +18 only"
>These same people only fav my shit but never follow over and over
>Have this trigger finger urge to just block them

[Anonymous No.4046586]

>"your art reminds me of (shitty hack artist)"

[Anonymous No.4046617]

>>4046559
>pls like follow subscribe
there's a reason youtubers say it

[Anonymous No.4046638]

>>4046559
I wouldn't outright block them. The site you're using MIGHT have some hidden algorithm that gives you more benefits from getting likes from people that don't follow you.

[Anonymous No.4046650]

>>4046333
People will never and openly give you real critic because they are scared they will be seen negatively and start some argument even when their genuinely giving you helpful advice.
But most of the times art is just alright and you don't really need to critique a piece because the mistake will easily fix themselves with a little more practice. Or you just think the piece looks alright as it is.
If you don't put the effort in locating and fixing your own mistake, you will truly never going to learn.You can't always expect others to give you directions.
IMO making art is like ironing a shirt: just gotta keep at it and watch out not to burn it.

[Anonymous No.4046681]

>>4046333
>I see a lot og beginners ranting over how their art isnt improving and the only response people can come up with is 'your art is fine the way it is'
I don't comment anymore even if I'd have more right to since I got better. If a /beg/ asks me I say "nice" and stuff like "keep drawing, you'll make it for sure". Every single time I tried giving advice the /beg/
>acted defensive, not "I did X because I wanted to do Y" which is OK but "this bad choice I made is of vital importance and I won't change it"
>went into argument mode and I could see after 2 lines of back and forth that they were taking it personally / about to start drama
>listened to me when I maybe drew an example for them only to go "that's it! I need to use the brush you're using!"
>said thank you anon so much, mad props, I'll work on it yadda yadda because that's what you're supposed to do when you get feedback then keeps drawing exacly the same shit, bonus points if they don't even change one bit of the drawing you just critiqued
>in case of chat rooms, ignores me and other people giving him advice completely because I don't draw his style / because there's another artist within reach that draws his style (usually anime), or there's a guy who is "the best artist" in the community, who types like a YouTuber and treats the community like his audience, bonus points if he makes any money, bonus points if he's one of those assholes who immediately post some elaborate WIP they've been working on for the past week as soon as someone receives attention for a sketch. Anyway, if the artist replies they chew up an offhanded, dumbed down version of what I / other users said and the /beg/ goes OwO THANK U SENPAI and proceeds learning nothing and drawing like shit as in the post above
>The /beg/ wasn't interested in feedback but only wanted attention because he immediately changes the subject to his donut steel's story
A waste of time. This post too, was a waste of time and I'll get shit on for it.

[Anonymous No.4046979]

>tumblr not de–

[Anonymous No.4047872]

i fucking hate it when i suddenly forget how to apply fundies and everything i draw looks like total shit. it's so fucking frustrating. i want to fucking draw so badly but i just can't get anything down right today

[Anonymous No.4047875]

keep geting shit on /v/, still stick to draw from imagination when I don't have good understanding about perspective and anatomy.

[Anonymous No.4047876]

>>4046650
>People will never and openly give you real critic because they are scared they will be seen negatively and start some argument even when their genuinely giving you helpful advice.
i'm guilty of this. i love giving people critique because i want to try and help people, but i've had so many people starting trying to argue with me that i'm just being an ass, that their art is fine the way it is, or they start pulling out the whole "unsolicited critique is bad" bullshit. i'm so fucking reluctant to give people critique now because of all these overly-sensitive hug-boxes. even if you word it in the politest way possible and point out positives, they'll still find a way to bitch at you for it. i've had it happen with people who literally fucking ask for critique too, which was the main factor that's essentially made me give up giving people advice

[Anonymous No.4047955]

>>4047876
Yeah, and the problem with that is, if they have manage to come to reason and actually improve thanks to your advice, they will benefit from it in the long run, while you might as well delete your internet existence.
What i've found out roaming the normiespaces is that when you act all humble-- no, scratch that-- when you act like you are below them, they fucking love it.
Half of the artist have become oversensitive narcissistic jackasses. The other half, turbo sociopaths pretending anything to get noticed.
Jesus Christ, i just want to give up.

[Anonymous No.4048046]

>>4047876
>unsolicited critique is bad
I'm torn about this because it's true to a degree, but personally I would want a crit if I ever post something flawed and not realize it. This board is my main art social media and not seeing the "I NEED to make it" mentality everywhere keeps getting me. Ironically the crits here are not very thorough.

[Anonymous No.4048075]

>>4048046
>and not seeing the "I NEED to make it" mentality everywhere keeps getting me.
Same I joined some art discords and the level of calmness compared to /IC/ was like suddenly switching gears. I feel shit like "it's my style" and "I feel lazy today Im not going to draw" come from the fact people don't take art as serously as /IC/ does.
It feels so weird soemthing /IC/ would rip me to shreds over is considered OK on other sites

[Anonymous No.4048128]

>>4048075
/ic/ is gatekeeping to keep /beg/s from staying beginners
you either drop out and quit or you git gud
normies dont understand shit about art and that is why you see mediocre artists getting big money and fame thus bringing the total quality of art down
I heard that real artschools are suppossed to be like /ic/ but on streroids

[Anonymous No.4048237]

I'm pretty sure I've been wasting my time, my true desire is just to change from a consumer to a creator.
Just because I love the thought of being an artist, doesn't mean I have the mental capacity to follow through.
It's been 4 years since I started, with probably less than 60 hours put in total.
I quit for months at a time within 10 hours of studying perspective/anatomy. My motivation just isn't there, and I've tried to supplement that with trying to find a rival/tutor/community in those crappy /ic/ discord threads that die within 2 weeks.
If I can't even commit myself, a random stranger can only help so much, they usually ditch fast anyways (I'm also guilty of that, sorry spainbro I was embarrassed how bad I was).

[Anonymous No.4048267]

>>4048237
Anon are you depressed? Not being able to do things you love is a sign of depression.

[Anonymous No.4048283]

>>4048267
Yes, but I don't think I particularly love drawing, just art and the thought of being an artist.
Cut it short diagnosed 12+ years, 6 meds I've taken over years did nada or just made me more robotic, which isn't what I have problems with.
There's no willpower drug from what I've experienced, not even the little "nudge" they talk about that'll get you started.

[Anonymous No.4048449]

Western artists are inferior. lol
٩( ᐛ )و

[Anonymous No.4048785]

>>4048283
60 hours is nothing, I think you should search for a thing you really enjoy our change your approach. I mean you sometimes need to push yourself to do boring studies but best progress is made when you start enjoying something. What is exciting you about drawing? What artist do you love? What subject is your favorite? You're in a phase when all you need to do is copy until you get sense of proportions, study basic stuff like how shadow and light works with simple objects. First copy fragments of works of your favorite artists, measure everything until contours are in place(this is tricky because values can change the perception of contours) and then fill out the values. The progress you made will make you happy and push you forward. You could join some class in your area.

[Anonymous No.4049056]

>made fucking leagues of improvement within two years
>now stuck at a stagnant
>know what my weaknesses are but i can't seem to improve them
this is so fucking painful. i know i can be fucking better than this and i've been trying to work on them but nothing is turning out right and i don't feel like i'm improving at all anymore

[Anonymous No.4049066]

>>4048283
i mean this seriously: you should really just quit. you actually have to love, or at least enjoy drawing. being an 'artist' is worth basically nothing. you're torturing yourself because of a narcissistic aspiration. there is nothing waiting for you at the end of that tunnel

[Anonymous No.4049086]

I'm visiting my parents for the week and oh god is my little brother annoying. All he does is play fortnight and scream so loud the entire house can hear him. No matter where I go I can't avoid his screams of 'NERF THIS GUN' and the little annoying conversations he has with his discord friends. I tell him to be quite, but that does nothing. I'm only 2 days in and I legitimately want to strangle him

[Anonymous No.4049101]

>know I should be happy for friend's success
>still get jealous when friends get scooped up into the animation industry
>know it's entirely my fault for not putting myself out there/ never having a portfolio ready when positions open
I know what needs to be done but there's too much garbage in my head to mobilize

[Anonymous No.4049119]

I always get a gross feeling when putting out mediocre assembly line work for clients even though they love it. It's "good enough" but I would have to spend triple the time to do work that I could feel proud of. I'm trying to be more zen about it and remind myself that it beats flipping burgers but still there's this visceral feeling of disgust. Can anyone relate?

[Anonymous No.4049140]

>>4049119
I know the feeling but learning when to go "good enough" is essential.
Back in high school when senior projects came around, I spent so long deliberating on my pieces, wanting them to showcase what I was capable of (I had only the previous year gotten "serious" about improvement) that I had missed multiple deadlines
And on a smaller scale, usually when a piece isn't going the way you want it to, it's better to move on or start over from scratch rather than fiddle with a drawing, obsessing over the minutiae.

[Sage No.4049145]

>>4049101
Are you the guy who made a thread about finishing art school and not being able to do shit? Do the fucking portfolio already, collect your current best works and send it everywhere, you can always update it later. Just do it already

[Anonymous No.4049158]

>>4049145
Nah I've been essentially self-taught since 2010
I know location isn't as big of a barrier nowadays but it also feels real lonesome living in a state with zero creative industry to speak of. I wouldn't even know where to look to find similarly-goaled people irl. I have online friends from throughout the years and that helps but the in-person connection would really help and I shouldn't have to move to California to do that

[Anonymous No.4049160]

>>4049140
I kind of agree, not every work is going to be your best, but the commercial aspect adds difficulty to this problem. You know sometimes when you get some commissions that it's not gonna end up in your portfolio, there's also this way of thinking: if you do 100$ job with 100$ worth of effort, you're gonna keep getting 100$ gigs. If you do 100$ job that will look like it's worth 1000$, you'll eventually get hired for 1000$ jobs.
But some clients are just too much of a pain in the ass and will make you create a monster. So I think you need to balance

[Anonymous No.4049171]

>>4049158
I'm not a pro but I think you'll still be ahead of most people if you take a proactive stance, compile your best works into a portfolio and send it out to studios. It costs nothing and you may be only positively surprised, even if you don't get a job they may consider you in the future or you may get some words of feedback. From what I gathered it's hard to be hated for this, make personalized emails and be polite. I'm in process of collecting different contacts and decided what I'll put in portfolio, then I'll make free website like Weebly or wix and send it out. It'll be a learning process for me. Get excited about the possibilities that await you Anon.

[Anonymous No.4049196]

>>4049171
No yeah I have like a bunch of stuff I can compile right now if I wanted to and I should.
The biggest mental barrier is the actual start but I'll try as soon as I'm home from work

[Anonymous No.4049205]

i can't even draw a fucking rock for shading practice. fuck this. fuck this shit.

[Anonymous No.4049230]

>>4048075
/ic/ is only as it is because it has 'critique' in the name. as soon as people see that word they start looking for flaws.

[Anonymous No.4049350]

>>4048785
I usually draw for two hours before struggling with not knowing how to fix things or make it look good.
My reaction is usually reading art books and never finding my answer before giving up.
I have plenty of artists I like, I'll try your approach and try to get over perfectionism.
I drew very little in my early years, I haven't put enough effort into really just trying to enjoy the process instead of getting technical trying to find the "right" answer.
>>4049066
I want to express my ideas, and I liked a visual medium most out of the choices. You're right though, if I can't end up liking drawing itself I'll give up.

[Anonymous No.4049528]

I spent a lot of time working on a drawing that I’m proud of and it went ignored in the /alt/ and /draw/ threads

[Anonymous No.4049590]

>>4049528
fucking kek'd

[Anonymous No.4049606]

>>4049590
I went to bed after posting hoping to wake up to anything... but no one replied to it

[Anonymous No.4049711]

>>4049606
i thought you mean't that it was meme'd by the alt and drawthreads, my bad anon

[Anonymous No.4049794]

i'm so fucking sick of self-deprecating twats who purely do this shit to bait for attention and praise. i'm unsatisfied as fuck with my art 90% of the time but at least i keep that shit to myself

[Anonymous No.4049811]

I unfollow the artist if she's cute

[Anonymous No.4050008]

>>4049811
Why?

[Anonymous No.4050578]

It's useless. I'll never be a good artist. I have no taste or sense of aesthetics at all.

[Anonymous No.4050613]

>>4049794
I hate my art to the point where I want to nuke my account every day but I hate this behavior. If I really can't stand a drawing I wait for it to drop reasonably far down the timeline to delete it, and I always present the artwork in a neutral / positive way. Most people who self-deprecate are cynical humblebraggers who do this methodically, same people who say "doodle" or wave their "crippling depression" around while not missing a beat in productivity. Everything is fake on the internet.

[Anonymous No.4050655]

>>4050613
>Most people who self-deprecate are cynical humblebraggers who do this methodically, same people who say "doodle" or wave their "crippling depression" around while not missing a beat in productivity
Thats pretty much the zoomer humor. Try uploading mediocre art but with suicide memes and watch your follower count grow

[Anonymous No.4050669]

>>4050655
>Try uploading mediocre art but with suicide memes
lol can I do this but without the memes?

[Anonymous No.4050723]

>>4050669
nah, they think you'll weird. Memes imply comedy thus
>le ebin funne maymay cuz des tots me me likey

[Anonymous No.4050726]

>>4049794
I don't do it with people I chat with on the regular, but on the other hand I've seen in too many art groups where people will take images from other people and go
>lol this guy is 30 years old and was proud of THIS isn't that hilarious
At least if I just go, "yeah, its shit, I know" that shit will back off.

plus a few extra asspats is nice. completely ignored otherwise.

[Anonymous No.4050727]

>>4050723
I know, it was a joke.

[Anonymous No.4050729]

>>4050727
work on your memetics, Anon

[Anonymous No.4050735]

>>4050726
>>lol this guy is 30 years old and was proud of THIS isn't that hilarious

>tfw that 30 year old is me

[Anonymous No.4050782]

Pyw

[Anonymous No.4050807]

>>4050726
Ask them to PYW. This might be a monkeys paw desire, but I unironically want PYW to be popular outside of 4chan. Half the stupid internet drama on twitter could be ended with 'PYW'.

[Anonymous No.4050813]

>>4050807
Well they're artist groups, so they literally already do post their work on a regular basis.
Which sucks more, because they are good, so I know my shit is probably getting posted in other groups and being laughed at too.

[Anonymous No.4050820]

>>4050813
why does it matter if someone is making fun of your art ? hell ppl here make fun of successful artists all the time.If you want ppl to not make fun of your art dont share it with anyone.

[Anonymous No.4050834]

>>4050820
successful artists have other ways to positively affirm their skills.
Its not a big deal, but it still sucks. So it is basically why bother sharing or try to enjoy drawing with other people when they're just laughing at you.

[Anonymous No.4050839]

>>4050834
thats not what i meant. Share your work but have a thick skin and dont care about negative comments.the only critiques you should listen to are from artists you respect that knows how to formulate a constructive critique.

[Anonymous No.4050842]

>>4050839
I've been doing it for years, its not like I'm breaking down and crying over it.
Its just another thing in life that feels like shit.

[Anonymous No.4050937]

I have so little motivation to draw but i still try my hardest to get up every day and draw. Even if it's just a little eye. I want my motivation back, /ic/. Where has that childlike admiration for art gone?

[Anonymous No.4050942]

>>4048237
>only 60 hours over 4 years
Jesus dude, that's hardly practicing at all. Start with something small like an hour a day, force yourself if you gotta.

[Anonymous No.4050945]

>>4050937
I just want to be able to draw a lot of be able to be happy with it regardless of what it looks like. I did so much of that last year, now all my vigor is gone. More than halfway through the year and I've only completed 3 sketch pieces

[Anonymous No.4050979]

Who the fuck is that guy who bumps all the threads with PYW and that OC of theirs? I don't want this to be a daily occurrence

[Anonymous No.4051049]

>>4050979
Its just a trend for /ic/, random faggots come in and try to get attention, 90% of them go away after a few months.
You get a few fags like nosebro who stick around to shit up the board as long as they can, but at that point they start namefagging so you can filter it. But nothing you can do about it.

[Anonymous No.4051159]

>>4036249
>used to draw all the time back in school
>nothing incredible but certainly passable
>stop drawing once I leave highschool
>fast forward 6 years
>try to draw again
>can't get back into the groove
>get sweat and extremely nauseous at the slightest mistake
anyone else have/had a similar problem? i could just be pressuring myself way too hard but i've legit considered getting anxiety pills or some shit just to push through it

[Anonymous No.4051213]

>>4050945
My dude. I feel it.

[Anonymous No.4051283]

>>4051159
same here. I've just recently started drawing again.
Just push through. Get yourself drawing anything at all for starters.
>anxiety pills
Don't do that. Medications have side effects and sometimes ever worse effects than the ones you're trying to get rid of.

[Anonymous No.4051286]

>>4043553

Literally every of my drawings that looks good for me, holy fuck...

[Anonymous No.4051291]

>tfw 30 yo
>tfw still haven't drew anything worth
>tfw soon I'm gonna be an old fart drawing only shitty anime stuff

Should I just have to stop already? My art life is already ruined if I haven't achieved this mastery until now...

[Anonymous No.4051538]

>finally find my comic flow
>sketching, laying out, and finishing pages at a really good pace
>Military calls
>suddenly have to get to a camp 150km away with all my things ready in less than 5 hours with no warning ahead of time
FUCK

[Anonymous No.4051611]

>>4036374
>>4036269
>>4036326
Have you guys ever tried Krita?

[Anonymous No.4051625]

>>4036840
Go back to drawing.

[Anonymous No.4051638]

>>4051538
Bring your drawing shit with you, draw stuff you see and get rich after you come out of military.

[Anonymous No.4051642]

>>4051625

> be me
> draw anime shit and simultaneously writing an isekai novel
> being bad at both
> reading amateur and pros novels to vent
> realizing their cliffs, storytelling and shit are awesome and they even have fans to do art of their characters

[Anonymous No.4051658]

>>4050807
>Half the stupid internet drama on twitter could be ended with 'PYW'.
Most artists on socials/discord have their art in their timeline, and if they don't they're 100% trash. There is no need for PYW when you can mute. People should just use the mute button.

[Anonymous No.4051662]

>can't settle on a medium to tell my (short, episodic) story ideas
>Every 3 months or so get a different spark (oh maybe I should do comics, no wait, storyboards are cool and would show off my animation knowledge, no wait, what about a book with illustrations)
>end up doing none of them and just have mostly finished outlines lying around not doing anything

[Anonymous No.4051672]

>>4051538
If it's any consolation I know of an illustrator who had to do his mandatory service and still ended up making it, so it's not like you're doomed.

[Anonymous No.4051675]

>>4051642
isekai novels are bad in general, thats why your novel is bad

[Anonymous No.4051681]

>>4051538
pretends to be bad at art or your superiors will ask you for free drawings

[Anonymous No.4051714]

>>4051675
thank you
I couldn't define it so I called it isekai but it's more like star wars with one of the main characters (not the main-main) being from normal earth
maybe the genre is shit, in the end, you may be right. I'll make some story hooks, finish that shit before publishing it on royalroad and see where it goes.

[Anonymous No.4051848]

>tfw decent at art but never have ideas to draw
sucks

[Anonymous No.4051849]

>>4051848
Ideas come from experiencing new things, play video games and watch movies or just go outside

[Anonymous No.4051863]

>>4051849
Ive tried that and it doesn't seem to make a difference, I think its the pills Im on

[Anonymous No.4052223]

>>4051848
>>4051863
Same. I can never come up with interesting poses on my own, and when i use references it looks uninspired. I'm taking about 4 kinds of pills for my depression and anxiety, I've been thinking it's them too. Even with one of them being ritalin It's somehow hard to get started. Worst part is i need them to remain stable.

[Anonymous No.4052533]

>>4051848
Just browse boorus

[Anonymous No.4052539]

How do I improve bros ? I’ve been drawing for years and im still shit Wtf ?

[Anonymous No.4052550]

>>4052539
Improvement is just a cycle of:
>Draw something
>check reality to see what you fucked up
>study thing
>Try to draw it again
And so on

[Anonymous No.4052556]

>>4036251
foo poo boo poo

[Anonymous No.4052711]

So I got shadowbanned on twitter, fuck if I know why. My stuff is as vanilla as it gets. Another thing to add to the pile about how much I hate that website.

Is this going to affect me since I'm pretty small (<500 followers)? Or is it just a minor nuisance? I've already seen a drastic drop in impressions.

[Anonymous No.4052718]

>>4052711
>So I got shadowbanned on twitter, fuck if I know why.
Have you retweeted your own posts or did a lot of activity that didn't get engagements?
People in the DeviantArt thread up right now are saying that twitter now bans you for retweeting your own posts.

[Anonymous No.4052723]

>>4052718
nope, but I had to delete and repost a tweet because it cropped my image. If that's the reason, then it's pretty retarded

[Anonymous No.4052731]

>>4052723
that's probably the reason, if you post a duplicate image it will treat it as spam, even before these changes the image wouldn't show up in search results
social media is cancer

[Anonymous No.4052765]

I fucked up my right arm... So... I'm actually pretty content with my art progress recently ... And now I can hardly draw ...

[Anonymous No.4052817]

>browse conceptart back in the day
>bunch of professionals on there said that going to art school for animation is useless, tell people to go to regular university or community college and grind fundies
>take their advice and enroll at a underfunded state u that is considered very "prestigious" by the local art community
>facilities were old and falling apart, found out that the art labs did not follow safety codes
>had a couple of great drawing professors, but the rest only knew about conceptual art and abstract
>learned a bit about animation but not enough to be employable, no industry connections, no one knowledgeable enough in the community about it to be a mentor
on the bright side I now have an appreciation of art as a whole and not just things that show fundies. and I am not swimming in college debt. But I am very salty that I settled for a sub-par education because I thought anything would do and I could "just" teach myself everything in a few years. Teachers exist for a reason.

[Anonymous No.4052827]

>>4052817
>dont go to art school, I went to art school and I can confirm it's totally useless!!!! Buy my courses instead :^3333

[Anonymous No.4052835]

>>4052827
yeah, what a shitshow. I enjoyed watching that stie burn to the ground.

[Anonymous No.4052879]

>When the artist 'things I won't draw' on their commissions page is just things their bad at drawing.

[Anonymous No.4052885]

>>4036249
I just read one negative comment about my stuff and now my day is ruined, I got nice feedback today as well, but the one negative outweights it all.

Do you reply to someone talking shit about you (like not even critic just flat our shit) or is it better to let it go?

[Anonymous No.4052890]

>>4052885
just let it go. they just want to antagonize you and will waste your time by commenting back continuously with nothing constructive to offer

[Anonymous No.4052891]

>>4052885
>like not even critic just flat our shit
you should never reply or consider this
and you shouldn't post on /ic/

[Anonymous No.4053069]

Last year I e-met a girl and we collabed on a project for our agency together. Ever since then I've developed a raging inferiority complex whenever I come across her activity online.

I would say skill wise she's maybe 20% better than me, better sense of form but poor storytelling. I have access to our agency's database and lately she's been getting many more projects, even ones that I know would normally be assigned to me. I still get some work but not nearly as much as before. She's insanely popular on social media - IG, Twitter, Dribbble even interviewed her. I've stalked her other profiles and found out she's dating and living with some rich app developer (don't get me wrong I love my boyfriend but he makes half as much as me... We don't even have our own place yet). And she's so fucking pretty. She could drop everything and start modelling if she wanted to. On top of that she's a whole year younger than me.

I know that it's ridiculous to obsess over something like this but I just feel like shit, she's basically me but more talented, prettier, younger and more popular. And I would be totally fine with this but she's taking over my work too... And that's what worries me the most.

[Anonymous No.4053074]

>>4053069
Feels bad :(

[Anonymous No.4053083]

>>4053069
at least you still have a job and a boyfriend.you're probably a better version of someone else

[Anonymous No.4053087]

>>4053069
Well you said it yourself that she has better drawing skills. Maybe projects she's hired for doesn't even require storytelling. I understand that it's a shitty feeling but you will feel better if you stop checking her social media and focus on your own work. Try to improve your skills but don't get discouraged too easily because honing your craft is a slow and uneven process. Maybe try to find new sources of income. If you devote even as little as 10 minutes on these tasks daily slowly it'll build up. Cheers

[Anonymous No.4053117]

>>4053087
I do have other sources of income but I'm so depressed about losing that very source. I've worked for these people for exactly a year now, they've always been very nice to me, sending commissions weekly, talking to me in private. They've been the closest thing I've had to collegues, although we've only worked remotely. The CEO would even call me himself on Skype to chat, ask me how I am, about my plans, even some private stuff. We were almost friends. And these days I'm managed by some new girl, she gives me entry level tasks with shitty budget.

Yes of course, I'll work on myself, move on, start responding to other inquiries. I'll be fine. I just really liked that client, and they seem to be slowly letting me go without any warning.

[Anonymous No.4053390]

i fucking hate looking at other artists. i'll never reach their fucking level. i really want to kill myself.

[Anonymous No.4053423]

>>4053390
The only thing that saves me is that I hate their subject matter 99% of the time so them being way better than me while 10 years younger doesn't really hurt that much. But what they draw is what people like and nobody gives a shit about my art so I feel even more depressed. My art is shit AND my subject matter is shit. Even if I were as good as these guys I would still not make it.

[Anonymous No.4053435]

>>4053069
I think you want to fuck this woman.

[Anonymous No.4053469]

I hate how we can imagine literally anything and if we really focus we can get good detail but we still can't "trace" what we see in our heads. And trying to draw what you imagine still ends up throwing you off.

I feel like that would make this art thing much easier.
It's already there, just let me "see" it.

[Anonymous No.4053510]

>>4052879
Obviously there's overlap though? If you don't want to draw things, you're not going to get good at drawing them.

I suck at drawing giant furry futa penis inflation, but its not something I really care about getting better at.

[Anonymous No.4053576]

>Want to draw
>have the current skills of a literal 4th grader
>I can’t even draw a smooth curved line

[Anonymous No.4053774]

>>4053117
I see, that's a shame, but I believe you'll meet more cool people on your way. On the other hand, it's clever that you didn't put all your eggs in one basket so it doesn't have too big impact on your finances.

[Anonymous No.4053802]

>>4053117
well now you have something very important for finding a better job in your field: actual industry experience and connections. you made it.
and at least your boyfriend is employed even though he doesn't make much. I know a shameful amount of people with boyfriends/girlfriends/roommates who are manipulative NEET leeches who don't even try.

[Anonymous No.4053822]

>Put my life on hold for almost ten years to get gud enough to be a comic artist
>Full NEET and everything
>Huge sacrifice to my personal life, huge burden on my family
>Complete misfit
>Every serious attempt at an organized training regiment ended in burnout
>Had mental breakdowns annually
>Constantly suicidal
>One year ago I gave up the ghost and got a real job
>Radically different lifestyle
>Supporting the family
>Learning how to be a human again
>At first was relieved by not having to focus on art
>Now I feel the urging again
>If I don't want to work in a warehouse my entire fucking life I have to learn to draw
>Still not good enough
>Too exhausted after work to focus on anything
>When I do draw it's just 3/4 headshots of superheroes and other repetitive boring comfort zone shit
>Feel as trapped in my life as ever, maybe even moreso

[Anonymous No.4053827]

>>4053822
Fuck anon, fuck FUCK
You are literally me, but I am just about to drop the dream and start wageslaving and I know I can't handle it psychologically and physically. What you said is exactly what I fear, the only thing that makes me feel fulfilled in life is art, if I end up like this I will stop improving if not quit drawing entirely and I'll 100% an hero. Yet being a NEET makes me feel like a fucking failure and I feel like being successful in art is entirely out of my control and it will simply never happen in a million years.

It feels so bad, anon, every day I'm doing something while I see the trainwreck at the horizon. I start livestreaming, make a website, post stuff trying to look professional, think about "content", think about my career, all while studying and improving and working on projects and during all that my head is screaming WHAT ARE YOU DOING, everything I do has zero effect but I can't stop because I know that dropping this dream will end my life for sure.

[Anonymous No.4053847]

>>4053827

Honestly man it's not all bad.

It's really awesome having money and being able to do things. And I work with cool people who have become my friends, which I never had before.

I didn't think I could handle it but I could.

It's just that now that I'm settled in to a steady job I'm looking towards the future for a way to move up another step. Always chasing.

[Anonymous No.4053884]

>>4051159
>>get sweat and extremely nauseous at the slightest mistake
Holy shit yes thats me
When I'm drawing in my confort zone everything is fine but if suddenly I make a mistake about something l've studied a lot and that I should be able to draw by now I get hot flush, suicidal thoughts and murder intent

[Anonymous No.4053888]

>>4051291
>should I stop
Depends how good your anime level is

[Anonymous No.4053893]

>>4036249
>So I get this critique a lot, that a lot of my drawings and figures are "flat". Is it because I have shitty depth perception? How the fuck do I improve this I've been having this feedback for years

[Anonymous No.4053898]

So I get this critique a lot, that a lot of my drawings and figures are "flat". Is it because I have shitty depth perception? How the fuck do I improve this I've been having this feedback for years

[Anonymous No.4053900]

>>4053898

Maybe you're just projecting your lust for lolis

[Anonymous No.4053905]

>>4036347
>being this dramatic over something so simple
whew

[Anonymous No.4053911]

>>4053069
>has a bf so probably better looking and not as autistic as girls like me who are femcel
>get paid for her craft unlike brainlets like me still struggling to make a finished piece
You already have it good enough young lady, don't be too greedy or you might end up in my shoes in your next life

[Anonymous No.4054402]

>>4053069
>I still get some work but not nearly as much as before.
>she's maybe 20% better than me
>don't get me wrong I love my boyfriend
>she's a whole year younger than me.
Imagine complaining about this while there's an anon out there who sacrificed all social life for a decade and gets zero work while people 15 years younger than him are 300% better
Think about that anon

[Anonymous No.4054632]

>>4053898
Pyw for more detailed feedback. Honestly it sounds like you're just missing the little visual cues that can increase depth. Think about
>indications of overlap
>cross-contour lines (think 3D wireframe meshes, imagine one over your work and use when necessary)
>correct and tasteful shading (even just little highlights in the right area can increase depth)

[Anonymous No.4054641]

>>4053802
>tfw fall in love with neet bum and very afraid of becoming a neet myself
>tfw broken up but not sure if i'll find love again

[Anonymous No.4056514]

>>4036254
maybe

[Anonymous No.4056650]

>>4036265
Which one?

[Anonymous No.4056656]

>>4041080
Are you AND HORNY too?