/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4008892]

How are you holding up /ic/?

[Anonymous No.4008901]

>>4008892
>10 years
>still no background

[Anonymous No.4008907]

soul vs soulless

[Anonymous No.4008910]

>>4008901

>10 years of draw this again and Anon still doesn't understand.

[Anonymous No.4008912]

soul vs ruan jia tier souless

[Anonymous No.4008918]

>>4008892
Still beg tier shit.

[Anonymous No.4008927]

>>4008892
for comic - 2008
for illustration - 2019

[Anonymous No.4008931]

>10 years to learn to soft shade, use highlights, and ditch thick black linework
wow

[Anonymous No.4008938]

>>4008931
post work

[Anonymous No.4008939]

>>4008892
>11 years to find loomis

[Anonymous No.4008942]

>>4008938

[Anonymous No.4008962]

>>4008918
>>4008912
>>4008907
>>4008931

are you baiting? or are you just jealous? what does it take for you to say "this is actually really fucking good"? Do they have to literally make a time machine and travel to the middle ages to paint the mona lisa? When will it be enough? How many years of artistry does it take to become just "good" in your eyes? Because i swear to god all i see is people who shit on people infinitely better than themselves, something all of you are too pussy to actually say irl, but just use as a coping mechanism on anonymous imageboards. Post your own work why don't you, if you're so fucking good compared to OP. "This is so soulless hurr durr", the word you're looking for is "quality". The art piece has increased in "quality". This has nothing to do with soul - they are simply BETTER than they were before. The progress is clear, and the reason you're attacking them is because you realize how little progress you made yourself in the same amount of time, so you try to justify it by saying that the art lost its soul. It's obvious what you're doing. Deal with it - THEY are good, with much time and effort and YOU will never be, no matter the time or effort. Not with that outlook at least. What a shitty way to view the world. Kinda sad to be honest.

[Anonymous No.4008977]

>>4008962
Believe me when we say that we've seen this type of shit get regurgitated not hundreds but tens of thousands of times, it's the merc_wip of the pinups with the cliche anime-esque realism mash ups. The one from 10 years ago at least had a sense of originality - sure it had its flaws but you could tell it came from the artist's unique style and approach instead of the one from 2019 that is a copycat of whatever is popular on Tumblr ergo the tumblr style.

[Anonymous No.4008984]

>>4008962
Memes aside the simplicity of left really carries the generic design. I could genuinely see it being in a semi successful comic or something. The one on the right is technically better but it just doesn't catch the eye in the same way.

[Anonymous No.4008989]

>>4008962
/ic/ really is the worst board

>>4008977
I agree, the original had a lot more character. Pretty sad to see an “evolution” like this that destroys any originality of style. Sure, it got technically better but...

[Anonymous No.4008992]

>>4008962
>what does it take for you to say "this is actually really fucking good"
Something that is not a generic pin-up of a literal fantasy video game character, hopefully.

Also, honestly, ever since I saw 10k resolution paintings by ruan jia, nothing impresses me any more.

[Anonymous No.4008996]

>>4008892
havent drawn for almost a month. depression fucking sucks

[Anonymous No.4009000]

>>4008977
>>4008984

It's better in every sense of the word. What the fuck? Am i being gaslighted?
How is the one on the left more original than the one on the right.....????
If we're talking from a "catches your eye" perspective, there's no way in hell anyone would say that the one on the left is more eyecatching.. What? And it's certainly not the one i would want to see a comic of.

Also, what are you talking about in relation to the tumblr-style? This is certainly not tumblr style.

>>4008992
WHo cares about the content matter, we're talking about the artistic talent here. This is clearly the top 1 % of any artists talent ever.

[Anonymous No.4009001]

[Anonymous No.4009002]

>>4009000
>This is clearly the top 1 % of any artists talent ever

Here’s your reply.

[Anonymous No.4009003]

>>4008977
>>4008984
>>4008989
>>4008992
>muh style
>still not as good as RonaldJulia

Fuck you guys are such fags. Can you imagine someone posting the left as their piece in a beg thread as a study of the one on the right and arguing that theirs is better with these justifications.

[Anonymous No.4009004]

>>4009000
>This is clearly the top 1 % of any artists talent ever.
fucking lol

[Anonymous No.4009009]

>>4009003
Yes, cry harder, baby.

Are you a fucking idiot, perhaps? Do you expect everyone on here to enjoy everything you like, to 100% specificity?

[Anonymous No.4009014]

>>4009009
Kys crab faggot I don't even like the one on the right but it's clearly professional work which none of you make.

[Anonymous No.4009016]

>>4009000
>here's no way in hell anyone would say that the one on the left is more eyecatching..
Except I literally just did. The right looks much better in terms of rendering but that just creates a jarring effect when combined with the insipid fantasy design.

>>4009003
You're absolutely retarded if you think technical skill is more important than appeal.

[Anonymous No.4009018]

>>4009014
Got me!

[Anonymous No.4009020]

>>4009001
left:
vivid colors, tons of appeal, clear, readable shapes, confident shading, clearly established setting

right:
muddy colors, generic, gradient for a background, blurry lines, still can't draw feet

[Anonymous No.4009021]

>>4009016
>You're absolutely retarded if you think technical skill is more important than appeal.

Lucky that the one on the right has 1000% more appeal to 99% of people then!

[Anonymous No.4009022]

>>4009016
Apply for a job then with work like that on the left and see where it gets you. Fucking LARPing retards on this board I swear.

[Anonymous No.4009026]

>>4009022
Looking at the state of the comics industry these days you can probably get a series with art on the left ezpz

[Anonymous No.4009028]

>>4009020
You strained yourself reaching for that, didn't you?

[Anonymous No.4009029]

>>4008892
Left character is clearly readable as smug and confident.

What expression is the character on the right trying to convey? A blank, doll-like, expressionless, soulless face looking directly at the camera.

[Anonymous No.4009030]

>>4009022
Someone liking art you don’t like makes them a LARPer? Are you a fool?

[Anonymous No.4009031]

>>4008927
best post in thread everything else is just cope from /beg/s

[Anonymous No.4009032]

>>4009021
[citation needed]
>>4009022
>whether or not it gets you a job is the end all measure of quality
You're the LARPer

[Anonymous No.4009033]

>>4009029
>soulless
there it is

[Anonymous No.4009037]

>>4009031
i really don't understand the influx of /beg/s in /ic/

is everyone who failed art finally complaining?

[Anonymous No.4009038]

>>4009000
right is clearly way better, don't listen to these cunts, they always try to be as contrarian as possible, it's the /ic/ way.

[Anonymous No.4009043]

>>4008907
if this is ironic, this is funny.
if this is serious, this is cope.

[Anonymous No.4009048]

>the only reason anyone could prefer left is because they're crabbing
If technical skill is all that matters explain Memecasso

[Anonymous No.4009050]

>>4009038
Better how? Explain your impartial and objective reasoning, so that we may all share your correct appreciative tastes

[Wrexclone No.4009064]

Don’t listen those washed up art failures who losses there will to draw after their mid-life crisis.

The one on the right shows tremendous gain and even the the body is model like (something found in many arts of female) I recognize your rendering skills and understand that just because you showed one piece doesn’t mean that all you can do.

[Anonymous No.4009073]

>>4009064
>and even the the body is model like (something found in many arts of female)

[Anonymous No.4009077]

>>4009064
>The one on the right shows tremendous gain
>Learning how to draw a button nose, bug eyed eyes and a triangle mouth are tremendous gains

[Anonymous No.4009080]

>>4009020
Telling it the way it is, we need more like you.

[Anonymous No.4009085]

>>4008892
I feel like /ic/ generally isn't equip to judge design due to the pervasive grinding mentality. (Always Studying, Never Creating)

2019 is definitely better technically, I would have to know what the individual pieces were made for to judge how well the design works, otherwise it's just preference.

[Anonymous No.4009086]

>>4008962
Imagine this long reply to defend a piece of shit drawing.

[Anonymous No.4009087]

>>4009085
In what situation would you ever pick left over right???

[Anonymous No.4009095]

>>4009087
Right is disgusting faux anime. I'd take left any day.

[Anonymous No.4009100]

>>4009095
And left isn't?? The old is so bland and uninspired compared to the new one. And the old one is also absolutely taking inspiration from anime as well, it's just that the prevailing style at the time was a bit more western-looking than current day. So if you want something that's "not faux anime" then neither would fit.

[Anonymous No.4009101]

>>4009095
>faux anime
ngmi. It's faux Blizzard.

[Anonymous No.4009103]

>>4009064
>and even the the body is model like (something found in many arts of female)
WHAT!?

[Anonymous No.4009106]

>>4009100
>And left isn't??
You've obviously never seen a single anime if you think it is.
>>4009101
The armor sure but not the face

[Anonymous No.4009111]

>>4009087
Like >>4008927 said, especially in a production setting. If I'm cranking out a book I wouldn't ever want to hamper myself by rendering to to this level when storytelling would be much more important. I would simplify characters as much as possible and focus on composition and page flow.

Even If it's a portfolio piece, it still depends on what kind of work you want to do, if I'm an editor or art director at x comic imprint, I would think "guy on the right can draw, but can he handle work outside of illustration/covers?"

[Anonymous No.4009125]

>>4009111
Why would you ever assume that someone who has the technical skill to do the new one, doesn't have the skill to dial back and make a simplified version? Has that ever happened? That someone was able to make a character that was rendered beautifully, but wasn't able to make a character that was rendered slightly less lavishly??

[Anonymous No.4009134]

>>4008892
thats really nice, does he have a blog ?

[Anonymous No.4009136]

>>4009134
literally just google the signature dude https://twitter.com/overnoes

And yes, he's actually really fucking good.

[Anonymous No.4009137]

>>4009134
Seriously, how much are they paying you?

[Anonymous No.4009141]

>>4009136
yeah i noticed after i already posted

>>4009137
pyw crab

[Anonymous No.4009145]

The crabbing on /ic/ is real, maybe some guys are crabbing in this thread. Still, you must understand, not everybody is into the League of Legends concept art look. There's a certain way all of these Western MMOs/MOBAs/whatever are illustrated that I find hideous without exception. Especially how they do armor. It's not based on real armor anymore, if it ever was. It's based on Joe's iteration of John's take of Jim's version on green fantasy armor. Know that Miyazaki quote about how animators are not studying from life anymore, they're consuming the regurgitations of other animators? It's like that.
So it is a technical improvement, it's just kinda generic. Generic isn't inherently bad, it depends on the artist's goals. As commercial work, it'll do just fine and as long as the artist is happy with his progress, what's the issue? That some randoms on /ic/ don't like it? That's life. Figure out what you want out of art and pursue only that, bar the occasional detour. If you never figure it out you might end up some place you don't like.

[Anonymous No.4009147]

Still waiting >>4009048

[Anonymous No.4009154]

>>4009147
No one cares about your irrelevant post this is clearly about an illustrator not a fine artist and you're either retarded to see that or baiting.

>>4009145
based

[Anonymous No.4009156]

>>4009154
>this is clearly about an illustrator not a fine artist
So why does technical skill matter more than appeal to an illustrator?

[Anonymous No.4009158]

>>4009156
it doesn't you retrd that's what we're saying

[Anonymous No.4009159]

>>4009141

[Anonymous No.4009160]

>>4009158
And that's exactly what I said here >>4009048 illiterate retard

[Anonymous No.4009164]

>>4009159

[Anonymous No.4009172]

>>4009159
At least you posted it.

[Anonymous No.4009174]

>>4009172
So how many Shekels did you earn in those previous two posts shill?

[Anonymous No.4009178]

>>4009159

[Anonymous No.4009180]

>>4009159

[Anonymous No.4009182]

>>4009050
better in terms of technical skill you autistic faggot

[Anonymous No.4009185]

>>4008892
Cute. I still want a nude version, though.

[Anonymous No.4009186]

>>4009159
>he fell for the meme

[Anonymous No.4009266]

>>4008892
The original has that more punk girl vibe. The new one is just Overwatch bitch. Other than that, everything else is better on the right.

[Anonymous No.4009283]

>>4009159
>that stabilization level
no confidence-tier

[Anonymous No.4009289]

>>4009283
Huh?

[Anonymous No.4009292]

>>4009136
I wish people would appracate emotion over appeal. I hate every female character looking like wide eyed Japanese characters. It's fake, phoney lacking of soul.

[Anonymous No.4009293]

>>4009283
>Stabilization 0

[Anonymous No.4009295]

>>4009159
>drawing toddlers in lingerie
this is really creepy, anon

[Anonymous No.4009296]

>>4009125
Why would you assume people don't specialize? Comics and sequential art in general are their own skill set. Drawing a single character =/= 20-ish pages of interior art. I don't even know that this guy can draw on model through an entire book from a single pinup. The metaphorical guy on the right COULD know, but with money on the line I'm not taking a chance. They could also LEARN, but again my job depends on shipping a product, not mentoring someone through their first comic.

This is taking both image in isolate though, again, don't know what they were made for if anything.

[Anonymous No.4009299]

>>4009159
>toddlercon

sometimes it is better when anon doesnt post their work

[Anonymous No.4009300]

>>4009295
>I-It's not a real toddle in lingerie
>F-freeze peach

[Anonymous No.4009303]

>>4009159
is this mikuanon

[Anonymous No.4009305]

>>4009159

[Anonymous No.4009308]

>>4008962
Idk if this is a copypasta, but the left, while more simple, looks more unique. Obviously, the newer one has much more skill, but the design looks really generic.

[Anonymous No.4009311]

>>4009159
>drawing trash pedo shit with zero anatomy knowledge
>making fun about the progress of that artist in op
the classic ngmi

[Anonymous No.4009312]

>>4009159

I don’t think you should’ve posted this, pedanon.

[Anonymous No.4009359]

>>4009308
>the left, while more simple, looks more unique
Is it really more unique? It's a style I've seen a thousand times before while looking at mediocre DA artists, it just seems like a slightly more skilled and appealing version of the Goblins style. I feel like people only think left looks "unique" because they spend most of their time looking at skilled artists rather than no-name amateurs.

[Anonymous No.4009372]

>>4009159
>this is the tier of work for crabposters
KEK

[Anonymous No.4009437]

>>4009159
LOOK AT THE TOP OF IT'S HEAD HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

[Anomymous No.4009645]

>>4009159
based cunnychad

[Anonymous No.4009647]

>>4009645
Cheers.

[Anonymous No.4009651]

Very well thanks for asking OP.

[Anonymous No.4009658]

Also why did that take more than ten years?

[Anonymous No.4009682]

>>4009292
1000% this

[Anonymous No.4009716]

>>4009159
i love you mikufag

[Anonymous No.4009758]

>>4009159
>this is the kind of people who criticize you on /ic/

[Anonymous No.4009772]

/thread

[Anonymous No.4009778]

>>4009159
>this is the level of that moron who keeps shitposting the OP
oh no no no no
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.4009780]

>>4009772
i reckognize this ref from quickpose lel.
it's so fkn difficult to draw...
but i can see you're gonna make it

[Anonymous No.4009785]

>>4009000
omg you retard, if really think this way I am 100% sure you have almost no experience with art

[Anonymous No.4011260]

>>4008907
where is the dislike button lmao. Gotem

[Anonymous No.4011281]

>>4009159
based

[Anonymous No.4011291]

If you think this blue Overwatch whore to the right looks better than the original slightly mango elf to the left, you are the reason I hate artists.

[Anonymous No.4011296]

I want to fucking McKillmyself

[Anonymous No.4011317]

>>4011291
It's not about appeal, it's about skill. They're both stylistically different and the one on the right looks like flavor of the month cutesy shit but it does show an increase in skill. Better colors, better rendering, better proportions, etc. He couldn't paint like that 10 years ago and now he can.

[Anonymous No.4011323]

>>4011317
Agreed, but an improvement in skill means jackshit if you didn't learn how to develop an aesthetic sense.

It's like starting out as an amateur fiction writer, grinding for years and becoming the best legal papers writer around. The original purpose/appeal is lost, only the technical skill remains.

[Anonymous No.4011326]

>>4008892
Ignore /ic/ they're just salty as always. You've definitely improved in a lot of areas, especially in your own personal style and moving forward, looks good, keep it up OP.

[Anonymous No.4011328]

>>4011323
Could you post a skilled piece with similar appeal/style of the original?

[Anonymous No.4011335]

>>4011328
Maybe. Not everyone get the same messages from the same styles, but here's an attempt, specially because it's art that belongs to the same NPC moba niche.

[Anonymous No.4011343]

>>4009303
>>4009716
Who is this mikufag

[Anonymous No.4011354]

>>4008962
The fucking memeing on this board is worse than /g/

There is no decent art-related board of any kind on 4chan. They're all so far up their asses that you can't get a reasonable critique more than once every 200 comments.

[Anonymous No.4011358]

>>4009658
Because sometimes people have jobs, priorities, responsabilities... who the fuck knows what else.

[Anonymous No.4011535]

>>4009000
>Top 1 % of any artists talent ever
Now it's obvious that it's your art.

[Anonymous No.4011621]

>>4011535
The top 5% on tumblr alone is more appealing and better

[Anonymous No.4011631]

>>4011343
search mikufag in the archives

[Anonymous No.4012458]

>>4009772
I unironically like 2017 better. Now you seem to be afraid of shadows

[Anonymous No.4012527]

>>4011328
Kinda reminds me of Adam Warren.

[Anonymous No.4012536]

>>4008892
I got worst lul

[Anonymous No.4012542]

>>4012527
Adam Warren is like the definitive case study of bad taste holding someone back. If you look at his studies they're great, he knows his fundamentals, he knows how to draw appealing figures, he has dynamism, etc but then you look at the fucking faces and it ruins everything. Big ass fish lips and circe 2000s anime eyes with autistic proportions. And he chooses to draw like this, god damn.

[Anonymous No.4012549]

>>4012542
I like his faces, though. They're cute, but unusual and distinctive.
I think the idea of good/bad taste is really silly, because it's all entirely subjective. Maybe what looks bad to you looks good to someone else, I like animu but I know there are other people who hate the style. Should people stop drawing what they enjoy just because other people dislike it? I think artists should just say "fuck it" and some point after they get the fundies down and just stylize how they want, cause you can't appeal to everyone.

[Anonymous No.4012589]

>>4012549
yeah fair enough, I just really don't like the faces but I can see how others might find them appealing.

[Anonymous No.4012711]

>>4008962
i agree with you anon, old one was interesting but new one was the best looking

[Anonymous No.4012762]

>>4009001
>10 years,
>still hiding hands.

[Anonymous No.4012763]

>>4009159
the mad man actually did it!!!
fuckin legend,
this guy may not be really gud and alll, but he has bawlz of steel,
Chad as fuck.

[Anonymous No.4012764]

>>4009772
soul vs soulless unironically.

[Anonymous No.4012767]

>>4012458
you obviously dont understand that they were saving the darkest darks to ingratiate the important features of her face in a style of portraiture that even Sargent used.

it also seems most of you tardos dont understand the use of notan vs chiaroscuro because you sperg at anything you see that makes you feel like you arent as good

[Anonymous No.4012775]

No really how do you do this for ten years and not become like a hypergod.

[Anonymous No.4012782]

>>4012775
It takes way longer to improve than most people think. The git gud in one year thing is a meme.

[Anonymous No.4012788]

>>4012775
It's not like progress is linear, or can even be shown with just one image like this. It may have taken him a while to start studying regularly. Maybe he spent some time learning perspective and BGs and just doesn't demonstrate that here.

[Anonymous No.4012794]

>>4012782
I dunno I at least improved a good bit this year. Maybe Im due for a long stagnation spell.

[Anonymous No.4012871]

>>4012542
>>4012589
The eyes are good, the lips are shit. And I love me DSL, but those look like fucking duck beaks.

[Anonymous No.4012962]

>>4009001
My man studied knees instead of hands, I went with boobs myself

[Anonymous No.4013013]

I think the reason so many people say the orignal, older one has more appeal is because you really pushed the gesture and facial expression in it while your revamp is kinda ... lifeless.

Technically, your new one is better but it's not as emotive. I think you should try pushing your gestures more in your newer style. The coloring is gorgeous though.

[Anonymous No.4013348]

>>4008892
The art is good, I'm spending my money having it framed. I am held back and constrained but I do what I can with it. I'm growing older and have health issues frequently, It would be more worth while if I just hoovered than painted. I haven't heard about my painting yet. They're taking a long time with this one, just as well I can't afford to pay them. I found a brilliant new framers though. And a new gallery in another town that might display my art. I spoke to the woman and she said "If you would fit in with our other artists work" and I look at the walls and it's daffy duck and huge smiling cows. They do have a couple of [edit] on the wall , by artists called Maritzio and that sort of thing. Probably they met them on their luxury holidays.

I went to an auction house "fine art" , won't even consider it. It's all old model ships and tatty cupboards. "you don't get tht sort of person in here?" he shakes his head, "not really" I shake his hand and say goodbye. Inside I'm thinking "Just try it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUst try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someoine might buy it you bastard!!!!!!". I contain that completely and walk away with my painitng.

[Anonymous No.4013493]

>>4012782
>The git gud in one year thing is a meme.
Not really, people make their largest improvements in the first nine months usually.

[Anonymous No.4013947]

>>4008989
have to reply/agree since this board is full of mainstream dicksucking faggots
2nd one already is fucked by the idea of having cartoonish style mixed with realistic amounts of details

[Anonymous No.4013986]

>>4008892
if you used the same face from the 1st on the 2nd it would look really cool. 2nd face looks boring