/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4006245]

>soul vs soulless

well?

[Anonymous No.4006257]

>soul meme
fuck off, you kids know jackshit

[Anonymous No.4006263]

>OLD GOOD, NEW BAD
Soul is a meaningless term at this point

[Anonymous No.4006270]

>>4006257
>>4006263
He's right though, in this case the new designs are bad

[Anonymous No.4006275]

i noticed things with soul (left) have charming/pragmatic stylistic decisions and are overall less hypercritical and fun whereas soulless things (right of course) seem to have been beaten into conformity through artistic inbreeding. The soulless one looks like a bunch of pinterest anime references slapped together by someone who can't afford to look bad, and left looks like it was made by someone who actively daydreams about the source material and in general is having a good time and doesnt give a shit (in a good way).

[Anonymous No.4006293]

>>4006270
Like the old ones aren't LMAO.

[Anonymous No.4006304]

>>4006275
>actively daydreams about the source material and in general is having a good time

fuckin this. Nice to see non-brainlets on 4chan

[Anonymous No.4006307]

>>4006270
The new designs fit the tropical region while the old ones doesn't, making them objectively worse

[Anonymous No.4006322]

>>4006245
the guy on the right looks like those who have that unconfirmed gender shit thingy going on with more body-clinging outfit compared to the left.
the girl on the right gain waistline and looks like an immature twat that just on her first period while the one on the left are the ideal thiccness because of her active lifestyle. More Japanese-eyed compared to the moe-kyoani vibe from the right, hence they're soulless in their regard.

[Anonymous No.4006362]

>>4006307
well for tropical hiking you should usually wear such pants to ensure optimal body temperature/hydration, as well as prevent critters and poisonous plants to get in contact with your body. Plus such clothes are usually designed with materials for cooldry/water resistance meaning they are very thin and dry almost instantly or prevent water like rain/condensation to seep in from outside which otherwise could potentially lead to hypothermia. Furthermore the pants and boots imply that this has some pseudo swimming or diving capabilities, which fits the tropical theme. That being said, the mc on the right would probably already be dead somewhere in the jungle.

So idk, I'd rather trust a veteran artist who's done his homework, than some tumblarian who opened the next best summer outfits magazine.

[Anonymous No.4006371]

>>4006245
In this case it’s definitely true

Pokemon will never come close to what it was in Gen 3, that’s a fact

[Anonymous No.4006383]

Sugimori's art is so charming because he uses watercolors on top of them

[Anonymous No.4006395]

>>4006270
>>4006275
>>4006304
>>4006322
>>4006371
>>4006383
They both look like shit.
The right ones have better body proportions.

[Anonymous No.4006396]

>>4006275
Correct.
>>4006257
It's overused, but it's based on a true thing : when something is produced with care and the creator is doing what he would like To experience himself (a movie /drawing /game/music), it shows.
When it's only produced with ROI in mind, it shows.

[Anonymous No.4006398]

>>4006395
(You) think they...*

[Anonymous No.4006418]

>>4006245
That's right. I went looking for some more Soul vs Soulless images and I noticed they're real... and it's almost the same as Old good New Bad. Because companies suck nowadays, most of them anyway.
Things become soulless when they become streamlined so they can be easily replicated or mass produced. It's all the little details that make something like natural or organic that are missing in Soulless drawings. From the rendering to features that look like they were copied from a Pinterest model sheet like some other anon said and making everything rounder and cleaner.

That's it and I fucking hate it. Soemehow a ton of modern art seems to be aiming for ultra clean looks. Just compare the old powerpuff girls against the newer ones.

[Anonymous No.4006427]

>>4006245
>>4006418
Wait this shows it better. Modern soulless art pretty much tries to imitate that Round Spongebob episode looking so crisp it starts being uncanny while SOUL art can be "ugly" and proud. And "ugly" usually just means that the rendering isn't crisp-clean and uses whatever colors and shades the artist sees fit.

[Anonymous No.4006436]

the ones on the right are made by a shit artist who couldn¡t even be assed to turn down the horrible saturated colours.
It is soulless

[Anonymous No.4006571]

>>4006398
I know. If you don't see it, I have very bad news for you.

[Anonymous No.4006582]

>>4006307
But the artstyle of the new ones looks like garbage, and that's all that matters. Nobody cares about realism or logic in a videogame with monsters that get captured in small balls and fight against each other

[Anonymous No.4006585]

>>4006395
>legs look like twigs
>better proportions
Retard

[Anonymous No.4006589]

Right is much better, you can tellit's actually a hat in that.

[Anonymous No.4006608]

>>4006585
>I have no idea what appeal is
NGMI

[Anonymous No.4006627]

>>4006245
The colors are more harmonious on the left because they are closer to each other. The green belt sticks like a sore thumb on the right because saturation is pushed too far

Somehow the design feel more like a unity on the left

Left is less blatant animu

[Anonymous No.4006631]

>>4006627
>less blatant animu
This too. Videogame art used to be its own thing a few years ago I feel. No one looked at the street fighter or king of fighters characters and said
>Oh look some anime game
And the artwork was pretty respected. Same with Pokemon, still anime but it felt closer to a videogame, and I hadn't even considered that Ace Attorney was anime.

[Anonymous No.4006641]

>>4006608
>bent stick legs
>more appealing
Whatever floats your boat, man.

[Anonymous No.4006669]

>>4006396
>When it's only produced with ROI in mind, it shows.
Oh so like both examples then?
Here's a tough reality for you, when Sonic the Hedgehog was being designed, the concept artists weren't looking for something "they would love to see themselves in a movie/drawing/game". They literally just designed something to be popular, so they made a cereal mascot/saturday morning cartoon talking animal, because that's what children's media consisted of during the time.
They all liked eggman's design better and he was originally going to be the main protagonist but they turned him into a villain because Sonic appealed more to the market.
I'm not saying any of this to devalue artists, I'm saying this because all of you devalue artists, you immediately dismiss them because "eww they're new".

[Anonymous No.4006808]

>>4006245
Soul = old thing I like
Soulless = new thing I don't like

[Anonymous No.4006814]

>>4006418
That's actually a pretty good definition of my idea of soullessness, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.4006817]

>>4006263
I love how the soul meme makes zoomers angry because they grew up and now live in an era where everything is extremely focus tested and lifeless

[Anonymous No.4006840]

>>4006808
This anon gets it.

[Anonymous No.4006844]

>>4006245
>soul= i was a child when i saw it
>soulless= im an adult now

[Anonymous No.4006851]

Colors look better on the soul one. I also like the facial expressions.

However on the "souless" one I feel it is more polished. I like that personally. I don't really get why this board hates polished things, lol. Ultimately though compared to the newer designs these both suck

[Anonymous No.4006854]

>>4006851
I also forgot to mention that the "souless one" has a better line of action than the "soul" one.

[Anonymous No.4006907]

>>4006245
98% of designs and redesigns today are made to be more economic, which is soulless by definition. For example if Cell was designed today he would look pretty different because IIRC animating his spots was a fucking nightmare.

[Anonymous No.4006922]

I don't get how you guys demand everyone grind fundies until they die and then call their work soulless when its perfect

[Anonymous No.4006925]

>>4006922
If someone in /alt/ drew like the left imagine the comments they would get
>Monkey arms
>Use bolder colors
>Hands and feet are too big
>The face is ugly, move the eyes closer together
>Looks stiff

[Anonymous No.4006927]

>>4006925
and they would be right.

[Anonymous No.4006928]

>>4006907
And I imagine drawing them was a pain as well to Toriyama but he wanted his spotty villain and didn't change it even though he had 3 chances to evolve Cell into something different. Pretty based. When an artist like that draws simpler characters like Final form Frieza and the Buus, you know he's doing it because he enjoys it that way but not due to lack of skill to do something more complex.

[Anonymous No.4006929]

>>4006927
They would.
I like the right better myself

[Anonymous No.4006930]

>>4006925
>"needs more loomis lol"

[Anonymous No.4006936]

>>4006922
You need to know the rules (fundies) and THEN bend them to make something appealing. The right one knew the rules and left it at that. Left one was a seasoned artist who obviously knows humans don't have monkey arms yet he left them like that because he thought she looked cute with long arms and big hands. Even then, with the legs of the girl and the simple yet effective clothes on the guy, you can tell the left one does know his fair share of real anatomy and fabric while the right one maybe only did stylized studies to produce anime.

Anyway I went off tangent. Rules are good and you need to learn them and then add some substance into it. If all art had bold colors, eyes closely together and small limbs, you'd notice things would get too samey very quickly.

[Anonymous No.4006941]

>>4006245
I think even the drawing itself is fine on the right, it's just the coloring that sucks. If it had the exact same palette from the left, it'd be good.

[Anonymous No.4006949]

>>4006936
>you can tell the left one does know his fair share of real anatomy and fabric while the right one maybe only did stylized studies to produce anime.
Can you please point out where we can see the left one's lack of real anatomy and fundies, and where we can see the left one's anatomical and fabric knowledge? I don't know about you, but the folds on that clothing don't look too great to me.
It seems odd to argue Ken Sugimori had mastered anatomy when the wonkiness of his older works aren't as prevalent in his current art.

[Anonymous No.4006962]

Reading over this thread makes me wonder if listening to anons when they tell you to change your art style is actually a bad idea

[Anonymous No.4006973]

>>4006962
Anyone with an IQ over 85 would not post on this website.Including me and you

[Anonymous No.4006989]

>>4006962
Always take the advice at hearth, anons here are good people. But you need to JUDGE YOURSELF if you really like the result. For example one of the best anons at /beg/ once redlined a Jeanne D'Alter to make her more anatomically correct not knowing he was changing her face too much and she no longer looked like Jeanne. Good intentions but not everyone produces the same kind of art. If you listened to him for example you'd end up making a great Wonder Woman but wondering why Fate fans hate your art.
That's just a small example that stuck out to me, but when other people recommend you some changes to certain things because "it looks better", you gotta decide if that's what you want.

>>4006949
I surrender. Honestly I can't describe it that well. I just know that the legs on the old art look really solid while they became generic sausage anime legs on the newer art. And the newer clothes are skintight.
But the artist didn't try replicating the exact same drawing. Maybe he could do the left one even better now with the same clothes and faces, but the style in Pokemon games simply changed.

[Anonymous No.4007035]

>>4006989
So would you say that both artstyles are relevant to the time period they were drawn in?

The left arguably is what typical anime looked like at the time. Thicker legs, longer arms, etc. What I'm gathering from this thread is old vs new, which can also allude to "I grew up with x, y is different and I don't hold the same feelings to it." thus being "soulless".

I am personally more familiar with left, but I can see how people younger than me would prefer right.

[Anonymous No.4007053]

>>4006941
You were actually right anon

[Anonymous No.4007063]

>>4007053
That's an edit of the highest caliber, amazing. Now it has soul, even with the dead desaturated skin tones it feels many times better than before. And I'd argue people wouldn't have complained in the first place had it looked like this.

Oh I see. Changing the skin tone wasn't necessary because the thing ruining the design were the oversaturated green and orange colors. Now everything has the same tone.

[Anonymous No.4007070]

>>4006245
I like the old art style for its quirkiness? I duno just prefer that of over newer stuff that looks more generic. Also dem calves

[Anonymous No.4007086]

>>4007053
I did the opposite too

[Anonymous No.4007088]

Which one is soulless now anons?

[Anonymous No.4007103]

>>4007088
>>4007086
Both improved but the left one improved much more. I'm trying to understand. I think now both have a saturation that matches the style.
>Left one is a drawing with soul so the bright colors add more soul
and
>Right one is a soulless drawing, so the saturated colors were out of place and now it looks how it should. Which is a bit soulless but at least it doesn't clash

[Anonymous No.4007147]

Did my own edit and tried to make the colors as appealing as possible on both sides. Right is better

[Anonymous No.4007150]

>>4006245
>ME LIKE THING
>THING HAVE SOUL
>ME NO LIKE THING
>THING SOULLESS

Maybe try articulating why you like thing and why thing bad

[Anonymous No.4007161]

>>4007147
Damn you anon. The only thing missing from the right one was the skin tone, now it does look pretty based.
But to be fair, the original artist didn't choose it. If the audience has to fix it I'd say it was bad.

[Anonymous No.4007172]

>>4007161
Yeah, I agree the colors aren't as solid.

But I think to say its soulless is a stretch. If you compared just the lineart without colors the right is much better

[Anonymous No.4007175]

>>4007172
Well, soulless isn't exactly a professional term. We just feel something is off and call it soulless, but people with knowledge like you can actually find what makes it appealing or not.
In the end, it was the coloring and not the lineart. But even if it sounds harsh, it's like the drawing was dead and now gained soul.

[Anonymous No.4007179]

Soul = has little imperfections
Soulless = tries too hard to look good

[Anonymous No.4007180]

>>4007086
I like the left better with these colors honestly. The orignal coloring was always kind of washed out and unattractive to me

[Anonymous No.4007284]

>>4006245
Both are shit
THIS is the superior version. And no, "SOUL" isn't nostalgia, since I played Ruby first.

[Anonymous No.4007285]

>>4006275
>left looks like it was made by someone who actively daydreams about the source material and in general is having a good time and doesnt give a shit
Thank you for this post.
"Soul" is such a hard thing to quantify and I've never been able to put into words why I think some things seem better despite being worse by most objective metrics.
I usually just parroted "soul vs soulless" because I don't have the critical chops to sum it up as well as you did.

[Anonymous No.4007304]

>>4007284
yeah no

[Anonymous No.4007319]

>>4007304
Have shit taste elsewhere zoomer

[Anonymous No.4007321]

>>4006245
Both are garbage.

[Anonymous No.4007324]

>>4006245
Honestly right looks WAY better than the left. More expressive, better designed clothing. more appealing eyes and hair, better colors, etc.

The only thing left has is that the kids look a little thicker, which isn't really an improvement.

[Anonymous No.4007336]

>>4007319
lol? same to you

[Anonymous No.4007342]

>>4007336
>lol
zoom zoom shoo shoo

[Anonymous No.4007345]

>>4007342
>upset that someone doesn't agree with you

Nice one

[Anonymous No.4007346]

>>4007284
I like it but the eyes make them look like crack addicts

[Anonymous No.4007371]

Why is SWSH's official art so bad?

[Anonymous No.4007372]

>>4007371
lol

[Anonymous No.4007373]

>>4007371
Redline it

[Anonymous No.4007382]

>>4007371
I really like it. the faces feel a little flat though.

[Anonymous No.4007393]

who else would be glad to massage may's calves after a long day of poke battling haha

[Anonymous No.4007423]

fuck off boomer. the game isnt made for you

[Anonymous No.4007430]

>>4007393
What if May beat you in a battle but instead of taking your money, she stripped down and told you to her her sweaty body clean haha

[Anonymous No.4007520]

>>4007372
wtf with the Ditto face and that body?

[Anonymous No.4007522]

>>4006962
enjoy your safespace that is pl*bb*t and never return here, retard

[Anonymous No.4007755]

>>4007284
why did you edit their faces

[Anonymous No.4007783]

>>4006395
>better body proportions
The state of /ic/

[Anonymous No.4007833]

>>4007053
>>4007086
>>4007088
>>4007147
>>4007284
Color is a factor in the overall Soul, but not the main issue

[Anonymous No.4007839]

>>4007833
How is right not "abstracted?"

[Anonymous No.4007848]

>>4007839
he has no idea what he’s talking about like half of this board

[Anonymous No.4007853]

>>4006245
Bandana > bow

[Anonymous No.4007860]

>>4006245
the only thing I don’t like about the right is how they changed her top, the old one was better. everything else is fine on the right though. they’re both equally good and adapted for different purposes.

[Anonymous No.4007867]

>>4007833
The legs are the worse part, anon. I made another edit. I took the two parts that I liked and morphed them together.

You need a balance of accuracy and stylization to have soul. Look at trigger's works for example. That being said, The right isn't as soulless as how you guys are making it out to be. In fact, its arguable that the right is an expansion on the left. The right looks very similar to center imo.

[Anonymous No.4007868]

>>4006245
The right doesnt know how legs work.

[Anonymous No.4007878]

>>4007867
Now its creepy.

[Anonymous No.4007903]

>>4006245
the original has no gesture.

[Anonymous No.4007911]

>>4007903
You don't know what you are talking about. You think you know, but you do not.

[Anonymous No.4008431]

>>4007867
Niglets like you faggots hate Chun Li legs that May HAD since the fucking beginning. It's not just in that promo art, it's literally in the game's sprite, and in the fucking anime. Stop rewriting history you fucking zoomers. May, like Brendan, were BIKERS, it's literally in the fucking opening of the game. The have strong, built legs.

[Anonymous No.4008782]

>>4006844

basically this. pokemon is aimed at kids, so the style changes with what the kids like

[Anonymous No.4008794]

>>4006245
Its about the pose. Guys pose on left is more expressive and natural. Guy on right is stiff and looks like hes posing for a camera. It seems deliberate. Girl on both is fine.

[Anonymous No.4008878]

>>4008431
I like you, you get mad about things that I also get mad about

[Anonymous No.4008882]

>>4007430

damn that would suck haha

[Anonymous No.4008985]

>>4006383
both is sugi

[Anonymous No.4009007]

>>4007284
>>4007284
that's a shitty weird "smart" upscale. waifu2x or whatever. this is the highest res i can find of them but the lighting is shit and text covers the legs.

[Anonymous No.4009090]

>>4008431
I'm so sorry your tastes are bad <:(....

[Anonymous No.4009115]

>>4009090
><:(....
Says you, zoomer

[Anonymous No.4009121]

>>4009115
>Only way of insult is by using "zoomer"

[Anonymous No.4009148]

>>4009121
Because only zoomers would be this retarded

[Anonymous No.4009264]

>>4006907
This guy gets it. It's not that new stuff is inherently bad, but that new stuff is made cheaper and faster than ever before, which lends itself to being soulless.

[Anonymous No.4009429]

>>4006245
Y'all getting caught on her legs like they actually matter when it's the complete lack of interesting gesture on the guy that's causing the biggest soul vortex

[Anonymous No.4009462]

>>4006907
>Simplicity makes things soulless
>>4007833
>Detail makes things soulless

[Anonymous No.4009509]

>>4009429
My man that's an understatement. The guy on the right looks like a cross-eyed crackhead who died from heart failure while standing up and his body has already undergone rigor mortis

[Anonymous No.4009554]

>>4009462
Exactly. These people don't know what they're talking about. People don't wanna admit that they're getting old and the things they have grown up with have aged.

[Anonymous No.4009558]

>>4009554
Why is it such a radical concept that appeal may be subjective? "Soul" is just people desperately trying to explain that sometimes things look better to them because of personal preferences because they can't wrap their head around the idea that art might not be objective.

[Anonymous No.4009562]

>>4006245
I started out with gen 3, but I think the modern character designs are better.

[Anonymous No.4009566]

>>4009562
Why didn't he use those colors for the main illustration?

[Anonymous No.4009570]

>>4009562
Why does he draw girls so sexy

[Anonymous No.4009572]

>>4006245
The character art was perfected in S&M desu

[Anonymous No.4009638]

I am 30 yo, enjoyed Pokemon as a kid, have EXTREMELY GOOD taste and I prefer the ones on the right.

Still looks bad, though.

[Anonymous No.4009646]

>>4009572
That's because Takegarou (Katanagatari artist) did a bunch of the designs. Dude is a GOD of design. He has a very recognizable style, he did Nessa, Bea, and some others in the new game. Mina looks like him too, not sure about Acerola.

[Anonymous No.4009676]

>>4006962
your reading into it the wrong way,

the OP pic relates to changes made to already decent work that retract the good ole' appeal of the old ones.

changing the art style is good but only for new ideas eg if we were talking animated shows the same style cannot be used in naruto and spongebob, (spongebob anime op is amazing tho)

but if you do a show like the simpsons and you change the stlye a few years later people will hate how you massacred their boy.

[Anonymous No.4009677]

>>4009554
How is right more detailed than left? Look at fucking Ruby Brendan's hat, they couldn't even bother keeping the frill number accurate in the remake.

[Anonymous No.4009820]

>>4007867
Do you even appeal?

[Anonymous No.4009827]

>>4009820
Fixed it for you, bro

[Anonymous No.4010980]

>>4007372
>that left leg
>them feet

[Anonymous No.4011638]

I WANT THICC LEGGED MAY GF AHH

[Anonymous No.4011740]

>>4006245
there's nothing soulful about that shit, literally emoticons for faces

[Anonymous No.4011936]

i want to go back bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEphws1XtCQ

[Anonymous No.4011959]

>>4009827
Shin-chan?

[Anonymous No.4012307]

>>4006844
this, also why the new starwars prequels and sequels are disliked.
old star wars was just as shitty, i tried watching it and i fell asleep.

[Anonymous No.4013572]

>>4007867
you're all fucking idiots, the new stuff looks fine.

[Anonymous No.4013588]

>>4007147
Not really, left is still superior because the designs themselves are superior. Good job with the colors though, you made the right ones a bit better.

[Anonymous No.4013625]

Left nigga's pose just flows much better. And it's more angular, making it more striking. May is more even, but I still prefer her non-anorexic legs on the legs.

[Anonymous No.4013643]

Right is the typical /ic/tard drawing.

>the more realistic the better
>the more shadows the better
>the more highlights the better

Basically, what people without creativity (99% of /ic/) do: overdesign and overshade.
Too focused on technicality.

[Anonymous No.4013658]

>>4013572
No surprise, most of /ic/ is Dunning-Kruger mixed with contrarianism and a knee-jerk mentality. There's no use trying to argue with these kind of people.

[Anonymous No.4013793]

>>4006989
>Honestly I can't describe it that well. I just know that the legs on the old art look really solid while they became generic sausage anime legs on the newer art.

I gotchu senpai, I'll explain my observation of this;
It's all in the pose of the character on the left compared to the pose of the one on the right.
On the left you have the character drawn in the pose of a contrapposto whereas the right one is attempting the same pose but the artist went for a pidgeon toe look for extra perceived cuteness. But it actually fucked the drawing up because with the slimmer legs and the curvature of the calves, the pidgeon toes makes the legs look like cooked noodles.

Pardon my shitty handwriting.

[Anonymous No.4014844]

>>4006257
fpbp

[Anonymous No.4015557]

>>4006245
>131 replies
>no genwunners yet
i'm obligated to point out that the sugimori's traditional work is unironically the most soulful

[Anonymous No.4016337]

OP is not right in this case but this is obligatory

[Anonymous No.4016554]

>>4015557
Following that, some of the original digimon illustrations are filled to the brim with soul.

[Anonymous No.4016675]

>>4015557
>>no genwunners yet
>still being afraid of the genwunner boogieman
We're at the point where if you like anything about gen 1 at all, you're labeled a genwunner. Hell, if you say ANYTHING about a non-gen 1 game, you're a genwunner.

But yes, Sugimori's old traditional work is my favorite stuff from him. The textures, unique angular style, and emotion it conveys screams soul. It sucks that the style was dropped for a more generic, safe style.

[Anonymous No.4016691]

>>4015557
I rly like the attitude everything has in his old stuff. Even the cuter pokemon were had a lot of sharp angles n' stuff.

[Anonymous No.4016704]

>>4016554
I've always found that he uses way too much black or hatching.
A lot of the designs are really nice though.

[Anonymous No.4016718]

>>4007372
T H I C C B O I
O H L A W D H E C O M I N

[Anonymous No.4016731]

>>4007868
The legs on the right are just simplified and stylized more, all of you are retarded.

It actually reminds me of Imaishi quite a bit.
>inb4 Imaishi's art is 'soulless'

[Anonymous No.4016744]

>>4016731
lmao thats not even imaishi's

[Anonymous No.4017165]

>>4016744
Whoops, that's right, it's Sushio apparently.
Imaishi does do this though.

[Anonymous No.4017199]

>>4016731

Feel bad for the people not realizing that you need to stylize anatomy for appeal a lot of the time.

[Anonymous No.4017221]

>>4016554
I love how grubby and wierd the old digimon art looks, some of the newer illustrations just look too crisp and clean. I like Pokemon illustrations that look slick and clean, I like Digimon illustrations that look rough and scraggly.

[Anonymous No.4017235]

>>4007371
>>4007372

Blame James turner
Gaijin can't draw for shit

[Anonymous No.4017260]

>>4009572
>acerola 12 when she steps on lego

[Anonymous No.4017856]

>>4007284
>waifu2x

[Anonymous No.4018295]

>>4007284
i miss the double pants bros even though it looks retarded

[Anonymous No.4018296]

>>4017260
HNNNGGGGGGGG

[Anonymous No.4018476]

>>4017165
Bold stylistic choice
>>4016731
Sausages everywhere

[Anonymous No.4018500]

>>4016731
that's sushio you DUMB fucker

[Anonymous No.4019130]

>>4006395
Oh thank God the body proportions on the cartoon anime video game girl are better. Whatever would we do if they weren't as accurate?

[Anonymous No.4019131]

>>4006245
BLACKED

[Anonymous No.4019900]

>>4006245
>>4009572
I'll forgive S+M for anything just because they introduced the best girl in years and if you think otherwise you're a pleb