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**Don’t aimlessly study the fundamentals or anime. Learn the fundamentals (form, values, color, composition, etc.) through properly copying anime.**

How to study anime/get better at imagination drawing/obtain a style/etc.:
>Find an anime reference you like (an illustration, screenshot, anime figure, 3D model, etc.)
>Find learning material that will help you reconstruct your ref using simpler fundamental elements
>Trace the ref using that construction
>Copy the ref using that construction
>Draw the ref from memory that using construction
>Repeat the process for the same ref multiple times and mix in other refs
>After studying a lot of refs, drawing from your head will become easier

**Focus on Tracing/Copying/Memory drawing the big shapes/values/elements first then later worry about the finer details. Focus on only a portion of a complex ref first then move on to studying the full ref.**

General anime style discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Keep most of your personal works for /alt/ or the other critique threads. Here we should be drawing copies from good references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

General Art Overview:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz_mE9a29gsEd09TemJMNTJMWGs

Japanese Book Collection:
https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!sddDyarD

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

Discord: https://discord.gg/3bwdfRk

Previous Thread:
>>3984782

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https://imgur.com/a/Za3yMwH

>> No.4003127

Are these threads even worth posting to?

>> No.4003129

>>4003127
It's a literally a thread for people who want to skip learning how to draw and somehow be magically good, this thread won't help you or anyone.

>> No.4003138

>>4003127
nice copypasta

>> No.4003164

>>4003129
You don't understand anything about art learning. A literal parrot who cannot think for himself is what you are.

>> No.4003184

>>4003164
copying can only get you so far

>> No.4003191

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3zudE99DEo

>> No.4003192

>>4003184
nonsense.
copying is essential to learning anything.
when you learn to speak, you are copying words and sentences other people have spoken.
when you read through loomis, you are copying his ideas and approach to drawing.

>> No.4003194

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YCx-nihBb0

>> No.4003199

>>4003192
Everyone who got into art before the age of 18 copied. But when it's time to actually learn how to draw
>copying can only get you so far
You need raw knowledge of how things work to make more appealing works. I don't see how I'm wrong here.

>> No.4003212

>>4003199
And how the fuck do you think you're going to obtain that raw knowledge? Do you think it's going to magically come into existence without ever looking at something, thinking "hey, that looks appealing" and studying it? Copying is just a tool to internalize those pieces of knowledge.

>> No.4003219

I don't understand how anime heads work, does anyone has some tips?

>> No.4003222

>>4003219
Post pic of the one you don't understand
Some are simply wrong on the construction level because of how over stylized they are

>> No.4003224

Found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ARciajv_s

>> No.4003226

>>4003212
>And how the fuck do you think you're going to obtain that raw knowledge?

Are you pretending to be dumb? Take art classes. Download books. Go to life drawing. Grab a mentorship. Search the internet for free* shit. Etc.

>> No.4003227

>>4003129
>>4003164
>>4003184
>>4003192
In the end Ilya-kun wasn't wrong. Nor was Guweiz that copied him.

>> No.4003231

>>4003227
Illya stuck with one thing and can draw as evidence with his videos. This threads users can't. There is a huge difference.

>> No.4003234

>>4003231
Go check the oldest posts in his DeviantArt archive.

>> No.4003239

>>4003234
Illya stuck with one thing and can draw as evidence with his videos. This threads users can't. There is a huge difference.

>> No.4003241

>>4003226
Not the same anon but what that anon is trying to say is that you have to copy if you want to build a visual library, lol. Copying figures, sculptures, artwork you admire, and other stuff helps build your visual library.

To study fundies you have to copy ways other people study. And to draw anime you have to copy other anime to analyze and understand how it works.

>> No.4003250

>>4003226
>Take art classes. Download books. Go to life drawing. Grab a mentorship.
All of those imply copying a subject you fucking dunce.

>> No.4003252

>>4003250
>All of those imply copying a subject you fucking dunce.

I didn't know Michael Hampton was sight copying. I thought it was a construction based class. This is news to me.

>> No.4003253

>>4003239
Can you draw?

>> No.4003256

>>4003241
I agree with copying. But only when you're fresh to drawing. You have to have a spark to want to draw in the first place and copying is where one can see you give a damn. But picking up a book is only going to take your copies further.

>> No.4003258

>>4003253
I can draw. Can you draw?

>> No.4003260

>>4003252
This thread encourages reconstructing references as well, it's in the fucking OP. Copying isn't restricted to just observing strokes and shapes, drawing from a ref using construction is still a form of copying.

I'm not sure why you are so desperate to shit up these threads.

>> No.4003263

>>4003260
How is one supposed to learn to reconstruct if all they do is copy? Are you admitting the lack of basics?

>> No.4003265

>>4003256
Good thing there are books linked in the OP and that people in these threads are encouraged to read them to further their studies.

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>>4003222
This pic from another thread is a good example. If I try to apply say a standard loomis head I have way too many pieces. If I try to structure them on a more simple way trying to figure out how its done in the image I never get them right and they always end up looking wrong or off putting.

>> No.4003273

>>4003263
Copying through pure observation is a form of copying. Copying through reconstruction is another form of copying. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for someone who "can draw" to understand.

Again, people are encouraged to use construction in these threads and I'm not sure how or why you got the opposite impression. You are literally arguing against a strawman you've built yourself.

>> No.4003277

>>4003256
When we say "copy" we mean analyzing and breaking down what we see in front of us to learn how to apply to our art. The same thing applies to studying fundamentals and books.

The OP even says to "properly" copy instead of mindlessly doing it which is what you are referring to.

>> No.4003289

>>4003270
I really like how you construct your bodies. do you mind showing how you go about it?

>> No.4003296

>>4003289
That’s not OP’s drawing

>> No.4003355

>>4003111
Copying is about understanding a style. It's to see how a certain artist represents reality. What colors does he use? How does he represent form? How are his lines? Is there texture? What are the proportions of his human figures? Copying it allows one to analyize these little details, learn them and at the same time integrate them in his own artwork.

And yes, fundamentals are needed, of course.

>> No.4003390

>>4003270
what do your anime heads look like?

>> No.4003507

>>4003111
>one week since I tried to draw something
Bros...

>> No.4003552

>>4003507
It's been months for me

>> No.4003569

>>4003507
>>4003552
lol wtf just draw a circle and go from there

>> No.4003608

>>4003569
hey I'm trying really hard to give you guys a chance once I start drawing I'll put you all in the dumpster

>> No.4003669

>>4003258
pyw

>> No.4003865

>>4003258
no

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Why do you want to draw moeblobs?

>> No.4004254

I'm getting familiar with my brush strokes in CLIP but I lag when I go 300 and above..

I think it may vary from brush to brushes

HELP!?

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>>4004170
My cuteness gland requires sustenance in the form of moe

>> No.4004350

>>4004343
never post again

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>fuck up jaw and cheeks during head construction
>have to fix by closely looking at ref without understanding the form
It keeps happening

>> No.4004497

>>4004254
Underage retard. Filtered.

>> No.4004516

>>4004467
At least you're noticing the problem, which is better than being blissfully unaware of one's flaws. I'm having the same problem with certain types of eyes. The most minute details can make or break this style of drawing.

>> No.4004709

>>4004467
what are you using to study?

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Which is the better course of action when you feel that your study is underwhelming, re-attempting it or calling it a day and moving on to a new subject?
I'm content that I managed to remember the essentials, but there are a lot of things that are off and I know I could probably do better.

>> No.4004719

>>4004709
what do you mean?

>> No.4004720

>>4004714
I would say move on to something else and try it again in the future after having studied more.

>> No.4004727

>>4004714
The best course of action is to never make a "study" in the first place. Don't waste time by doing "practice" and "studies". Just create works and learn through them.

>> No.4004731

>>4004727
This is stupid. You should be doing your studies alongside your personal work. For instance, you make personal art, you see you have trouble with color, you study artists with decent color theory. You go back to personal art, you see you have trouble with anatomy, study artists/reference photos of anatomy and then go back to personal work. It should be a back and forth thing.

>> No.4004737

>>4004731
Good artists never "practiced". They learn through doing art. You should implement your "studies" into your personal work.

Instead of just doing a boring portrait of some photo or whatever, you also can make a real piece where you use some photo references.

Or instead of making a boring copy of some anime character, you also can make a real piece where you copied parts from anime characters.

>> No.4004745

>>4004727
>>4004737
With all due respect, please post your work, because this just looks like yet another "my way is the only way" pseudo-shitpost.

>> No.4004752

>>4004745
I am not gonna post anything here from me, because it doesn't fit to the thread.
My way is certainly not the only way, but it is certainly more efficient to get a good portfolio fast.

When you do such single small studies, you are just wasting time you could have spend on a real painting.

>> No.4004756

Anyone know how to create a Binary brush in infinite painter(or any kind of drawing software for that matter)

>> No.4004773

>>4004752
>I am not gonna post anything here from me, because it doesn't fit to the thread.
Oh fuck off with your bullshit. Building a portfolio or churning out works one after the other is nowhere near where my priorities are at the moment. I'm a /beg/ who wants to learn how to draw in a style reminiscent of my favorite artists, while at the same time remaining motivated with a constant reminder of why I got into this in the first place, and the absolutely best way of doing so that I've found so far is to simply attempt copying and trying to internalize aspects of illustrations I like.

Please tell me, how do you expect anyone to learn how to draw, say, a particular stylized face or a certain kind of hairstyle if they do not even once look at and try to study it? Why do you think it is that most professional illustrators' advice basically boil down to "just copy bro"?

>> No.4004787

>>4004773
I never said you shouldn't copy. Learn to read. I just said that it's actually better to make more out of your copies.

I started like you too. I also just copied a lot from references, and that's it. But it's also not that hard to make more out of this and turn it into a real nice picture.

For example, instead of just copying a girl from somewhere, you could turn her into a robot (use other references for this), and add a nice background (can use references again).

Even pros still copy. But they do it smart. They turn it into something unique. This is what you should learn too.

>> No.4004804

>>4004787
I appreciate that you decided to elaborate on this, because that's a substantially less black-and-white take than your first post. I get what you're saying. I do not think I am yet at a level where I can comfortably and confidently create original works and get anything meaningful out of it, which is why my current main goal is to build up enough of a visual library (through sheer copying and "reverse engineering") to actually have a decent idea of what I am doing when I sit down with a blank canvas.

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Forward looking faces are my bane cause my circles suck
Are these ok?

>> No.4005017

how do i draw bodies with loomis? i don't wanna draw that wonky mannequim tho
i'm having a hard time trying to find a good method to drawing figures

>> No.4005040

>>4005017
> i don't wanna draw
Just quit. Jesus fucking christ this board.

>> No.4005057

>>4005040
did you even read what i said?

>> No.4005084

>>4004859
They're not ok, sorry.

>> No.4005099

>>4005017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkX-CaRWl7o

>> No.4005227

>>4005099
This. That channel can't be shilled enough. t's only drawback is that the leg lesson was pretty bad. but it's a based tutorial AND it uses the loomis method

>> No.4005236

>>4005099
thanks brah

>> No.4005247

>>4005099
based af

>> No.4005250

>>4005227
The tips are solid, but I hate how sloppy his lines are and how he does the undo-redo waltz for 5 solid seconds every time he has to draw something to show.

>> No.4005276

>>4004737
Studies are good, provided they're done mindfully

>> No.4005277

>>4005250
honestly that's not a big deal.

>> No.4005476

F in the thread for Aqua.

>> No.4005707

>>4004719
your ''method'' is from any book?

>> No.4005903

>>4004497

>Underage retard. Filtered.
what did anon mean by this?

>> No.4006004

>>4005707
Method of what exactly?
My construction method is from these videos >>4005099
My study method is basically what is encouraged in the OP, but I'm skipping the from memory step for now
Before this I used to simply copy anime pics foregoing construction but this made me super reliant on references. So now I'm doing extensive anime construction studies, or trying to anyhow

>> No.4006134

>>4003111
Anyone got any more bestboi? Especially realestic?

>> No.4006961

>>4004714
Superb taste

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How do I deal with semi transparent lineart getting messed up when applying colors under them?
I'm sick of this. I like brushes like these because they feel "natural" but when it's time to color they become messy and inconsistent
This is also why I do the entire coloring process manually instead of using buckets and fill since they can't detect the textures line's boundaries correctly, as far as I know.
Should I just give up and use a simple pen brush with no holes or textures to them?

>> No.4008326

>>4008306
Don't use pencil to line if you don't watch that, some like it, some don't

>> No.4008399

>>4008306
My answer is that you don't do clean coloring with a messy brush, same as you don't do messy coloring with a clean brush. You don't paint with Copics over graphite or with colored pencils over lines drawn with an inking pen. I think you should use a non-textured brush since the difference won't be visible anyways. I don't know what you use but for CSP, there are downloadable brushes styled to look like from SAI and they're similar to what you're using now, just not textured.

>> No.4008408

>>4008326
>>4008399
Fine, I guess I'll give up until the day I become one of these omniscient painters who someone know exactly which brush to use for what.
It's indeed CSP. I can just get rid of the texture effects and transparency so it's not a big deal but it's true it's barely visible anyway, now that I think about it. I should probably research how to use full screen postprocessing to make the picture look less digital as a whole.
Thanks you guys

>> No.4008438

>>4005476
who?

>> No.4009959

What are you guys' routine?

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pls rate.

>> No.4010350

>>4009959
I don't draw

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Any good tutorials for the type of stylization used in Granblue? I saw a tutorial image for coloring using Cardcaptor Sakura and drawing her in that style a year ago or so but I seem to have lost it. Anyone have any pointers for what I'm talking about?

>> No.4010464

>>4004859
no

>> No.4010471

>>4009959
hold back /begs/x4

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>>4010461
I have no tutorials but videos of their process is out there, if a bit dated (they're still using old artstyle, but its still close in most aspects).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6SV1ad4Luo
To get the shading/colors right, their first step seems to be painting values in greyscale. I think that's the key to getting a similar look, pay close attention to how they do it on clothes in particular and how they paint reflections. They use thicker outlines and the eraser tool for the lines, and with the newer art Minaba seems to like using lighter colors instead of black in general, such as brown or yellow.

Also remember that if you're not familiar with greyscale there are some things to know regarding hues and the values of different colors... I found this video pretty helpful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOtwCG7BLSA

This might help you for how they do anatomies, might make your studies more fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH9sX0oGYik . Try doing the same. And remember that you won't get the grub look instantly, the people working on this are pretty skilled.

>> No.4010515

>>4010511
*help you regarding anatomy. Channel is full of videos that deconstruct how these characters are made, could help.

>> No.4010600

>>4010346
You need to definitely work on your color theory as a priority, she would look ten times better with better colors

>>4009959
Drawing various body parts in batches rather than full bodies, realizing what you're the worst at and practicing it until you get better, various kind of lightning, angles etc. Trying to push yourself so you make mistakes, I guess everybody's ways are very similar

>> No.4010602

>>4010600
people used to complain my colors were too saturated, so I now make them more grayish on purpose.

>> No.4010626

>>4010602
Saturation isn't really the problem here, but it's not something you can figure out with advice. You need to read about color theory

>> No.4010628

>>4010626
compare her shadow and non shadow skin tones, if you mean the shadows on the skirt, then is not as relevant to make the shadows blueish.

her pallethe is brownish.

>> No.4010629

>>4010511
>>4010515
I'll make use of that advice, thanks. I think my knowledge in general anatomy is generally pretty well above /beg/ levels, but I haven't dabbled too much with coloring and value painting yet so I'll definitely get some good exercise out of those videos. If anyone has the image I was talking about, I'd still appreciate it if you would share it with me.

>> No.4010676

>>4010628
Why do you ask for a review if you're set on ignoring it anyways? The colors are extremely poorly composed, you have zero idea about the usage of saturation and luminosity and lack the very basics of color theory knowledge. I told you to study up on it very politely instead of straightforwardly asking you to go to /beg/ and stay there for the next few years, if you don't want actual help then it's not my issue.

>> No.4010679

>>4003111
Aqua is a fag

>> No.4010738

>try to help anon what he need to improves
>got banned from discord by aqua for apparently "trolling"
>come to /asg/ less and less
Fuck aqua and his tranny discord

>> No.4010743

>>4010738
Why the fuck do you fags not only insist on using discord, but also refuse to stop talking about it? You're in a general on a fucking imageboard which is largely functionally the same.
Do you sit down on the bus and announce to random passengers how much you hate trains?

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using the tranny discord lel

>using discord circlejerks

>> No.4010748

>using discord at all
If anyone manages to find a server that isn't a moralfaggy circlejerk, let me know.

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>>4010629
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=58243657

>> No.4010803

>>4010795
Thanks!

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>>4010745
Agreed, fuck'em

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trying to draw asagi's tsurime they are like parallelogram shaped

>> No.4010817

>>4010812
your problem is that you didn't even try to actually copy the fucking reference

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>>4010817

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>>4008306
you need to use clipping masks with one big color underneath all the lineart

as long as your linearts opacity never drops below zero you can just copy it till its fully opaque so that you can wand out the selection. Then you fill in the color and delete the copies and you have your transparent lineart on top.

>> No.4010857

>>4010844
Stay the fuck away from me.

>> No.4010866

>>4010857
what?

>> No.4010890

>>4010844
Not that anon but wow, why didn't I think of this.

>> No.4010919

>>4010844
Holy shit, thanks
Didn't expect an easy solution like this when I asked to be honest, although the other anons are right about making sure not to mix brush styles for lineart and colors too much, this solve all my problems for my current workflow.

>> No.4010953

aqua have a tight boipussy

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i'll make sure to draw asagi seriously

>> No.4011080

>>4010953
I bet

>> No.4011113

>>4010953
aqua is a nigger

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Use the loomis.

>> No.4011245

>>4011200
You convinced to go back to basics and try fun with pencil. Loomis is hard to understand, but dam is he right.

>> No.4011351

>>4003111
do people really believe the bullshit posted in those links

If I didn't know any better Id say it was the work of a shill
>japanese artist started with realism in art school
really? look up any famous jap artist and he started drawing chibi as a kid and teen and gradually moved up, most never do realism

loomis shills out the ass

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>>4011351
maybe it's not mutually exclusive. maybe you can get good doing realism and maybe you can also get good without doing realism. i would say that doing realism by definition makes you a more versatile artist. i could also go on about how realism helps you learn anime, but you'll likely just label me a shill (for loomis? idk)

i think anyone who's any good would know that there are as many paths to getting good as there are good artists. i'm not 100% sure you're a /beg/ blinded by dogmatism, but you're certainly showing all the signs. feel free to pyw and prove me wrong though

>> No.4011399

>>4004467
what the hell is going on with her hip? you can see in the original that its flat going from the top of hipbone to where the femur juts out but for some reason you added a bump?

>> No.4011400

>>4011351
DON'T, DON'T SHOOT, ME DOWN.

>> No.4011406

DON'T, DON'T SHOOT, ME DOWN. It started with, a mere hello. A BOY IS A GUN.

>> No.4011410

>>4011396
Take your hoodie off, why you hide your face from me? Make your fucking mind up, I am sick of waiting patiently. How come you the best to me? I know you the worst for me.

>> No.4011412

>>4011396
>maybe it's not mutually exclusive. maybe you can get good doing realism and maybe you can also get good without doing realism
thats an entirely different narrative than making the outrageous claim that japanese artist first do realism, which isnt even the most commoin path for them to take

holy shit

>> No.4011413

>>4011396
Take your fucking hoodie off.

>> No.4011416

>>4011351
Nigga you Ngmi.

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>>4011412
>outrageous claim that japanese artist first do realism, which isnt even the most commoin path for them to take
if that's what's got your panties in a bunch, then carry on, i suppose. that's my mistake, i didn't know we were just yelling at clouds

>> No.4011419

>>4005040
DON'T, DON'T SHOOT, ME DOWN. When the time's right, yeah. When the time's right baby.

>> No.4011423

>>4005057
I didn't.

>> No.4011425

>>4011418
I ain't gonna repeat myself but stay the fuck away from me.

>> No.4011429

A BOY IS A GUN

>> No.4011435

because the program for this evening is not new you've seen this entertainment through and through. You've seen your birth, your life, and death you might recall all of the rest. Did you have a good world when you died? Enough to base a movie on?

>> No.4011436

>>4011435
would you watch a movie about a man jacking off for an hour

>> No.4011504

>>4011351
Many "anime" bodies are realism. Asians are slender, petite and with very small waists, a good amount of Japanese artists I follow use completely realistic proportions and compared to the reference photo it will be the exact same body. If not stylized to the point it couldn't exist in reality, it's realism. It's not only what other anons and me say, every single art teacher repeats you need to know the rules to break them.

>> No.4011716

>>4011400
>>4011406
>>4011410
>>4011416
cringe samecuck

>> No.4012154

>>4011716
DON'T, DON'T SHOOT, ME DOWN. It started with a mere hello. A BOY IS A GUN.

>> No.4012206
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4012206

This is so bad.

>> No.4012212

>>4012206
Welp.

Are there more of it? It looks like its worth a laugh.

>> No.4012214

>>4010346
sucks ass

>> No.4012219
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>>4012212
I just got rid of it. It's in the OP's MEGA.

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4012247

>>4012219
>>4012206
How do artists like this even get hired in the first place. Also they always get better people for the covers but then have this shit on the inside, what a scam.

>> No.4012251

gonna draw some asagi today

>> No.4012324
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4012324

What have they done to the earth? WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO OUR FAIR SHIBUYA RIN? Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her.
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn and
Tied her with fences and DRAAAAGGGGEEEDDD HEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRR DOOOOOOWWWWWWN

>> No.4012333

He wanted to kill the producer and fuck Shiburin. Kill the father fuck the mother

>> No.4012355

>>4012247
It's a collab of multiple artists it seems, you have their names at the end of the book.

>> No.4012357
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>>4012355

>> No.4012535

Man, fuck you

>> No.4012546

>>4003111
This thread is horrible, at least the porn thread seems to have a purpose. I feel like i’m watching preschoolers in the playground chase each other around

>> No.4012561

>>4012546
It's a /beg/ thread that focus on anime style
What the fuck did you expected you retard?

>> No.4012631

>>4012561
The porn thread is a beg thread focused on porn.

>> No.4012907

Is it better to do studies with realistic anatomy or should I be doing anime shit even when doing studies? Currently doing heads and wondering which way to do it.

>> No.4013050

>>4012546
There are only a few anons talking about interesting things.
The rest are underage discord users.

>> No.4013420

>>4012546
it's usually just one aspie, trying to get attention to himself. Just ignore him

>> No.4013441

>>4012907
>Is it better to do studies with realistic anatomy or should I be doing anime shit even when doing studies?
realistic anatomy

>> No.4013453

>>4012907
do both study from life and stylized so you can analyze how one deviates from the other

>> No.4013634
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4013634

I feel like im doing something wrong. My studies always take like an hour, maybe my construction isn't good enough.I keep redrawing parts after finding the angle is off. Any tips or crits would be appreciated

>> No.4013641

Man... fuck you

>> No.4013669

>>4012535
>>4013641
Ey fuck you too

>> No.4013694

>>4013669
Senpai, fuck you

>> No.4013698

Does anyone know what kind of brush this guy is using? I'm looking for something with similar effect on CSP

https://youtu.be/DKTn81TL5gk?t=6095
https://youtu.be/xR1gzGysi54?t=743
https://youtu.be/PNyB2Ty_3CQ?t=155

>> No.4013703

>>4013698
I fucking hate that faggot so much

>> No.4013705

>>4013698
>hiding his construction
>the one he did on the spot looks like shit
Every fucking time, bunch of cowards

>> No.4013735

>>4013703
>>4013705
Yeah, I know. He is a total cunt and tries to hide any useful information, so my hope was that someone here would know what kind of brush settings he is using. I tried a variation of the gouache and oil paint brushes, but I did not succeed.

>> No.4013742

i can't draw anime eyes to save a life. anybody got there own tips?.

i usally like to draw the pure black eyes but even that sucks.

>> No.4013746

>>4013742

Tip for black and white or are you rendering these?

>> No.4013756

>>4013703
>>4013705
Loomis has all the construction secrets. No need to take from a shitty nip

>> No.4013807
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4013807

is this even anime. I want to draw it badly but always stop and go back to loomis and hampton because i'm told too.(not like i hate it. i did learn how to draw body perfectly) eyes always fuck me and hair is a problem too

>> No.4013824

>>4013746
Black and white

>> No.4013926

>>4013807
You made the hair too big on the right side, compare that to the top image and you'll see that a large chunk of her hair is just floating beside her head. Try to make the outline of the hair an equal distance from the outline of the skull all around. But it looks cute and anime, yes.

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>>4013926
Not him but it could be a side ponytail

>> No.4013941

>>4013936
that's clearly not a side ponytail, retard. the whole face is lopsided.

>> No.4013943
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4013943

>>4013941
ok

>> No.4013945
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4013945

>>4013807

>> No.4013950

>>4013735
What do you mean he is trying to hide his infos? Just quickly looked the vid
He is showing his whole process and not even in speedpaint. Also talking so he is probably explaining stuffs

>> No.4013951

>>4013945
i laughed. i don't know if it means that the eyes are bad or the face is warped but i still laughed, then I remembered i'm not 12 and haven't had that in years

>> No.4013980

>>4012154
Flower boy was better

>> No.4013988

>>4004859
aha looking at this reminds me when I was bad

>> No.4013992

>>4013988
Where are you now?

>> No.4014004
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4014004

>>4013992
this one was breddy good for me

>> No.4014010

>>4014004
how you do it?

>> No.4014012
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4014012

>>4013992
I didn't say it to be arrogant. Like it actually reminds me of my early works.

>> No.4014023

>>4014012
Yeah no problem I get it, I was just curious.

>> No.4014031

>>4014010
oh holy crap someone is actually asking me for advice. uhm.

by making progress 1 foot in front the other. If you're having trouble, it's probably because you're doing it wrong. It's quite possible that the reason why you have trouble is because you have not been exposed to something you need to know. Try to figure it out. Some general things that shifted for me as I got better were:

1: Took the time to deliberatly notice when I was having difficulty with something while drawing, then spent time trying to figure out how to not have difficulty. That troubleshooting helped so much.

2: Overall made art take up less energy. You don't get faster at drawing by trying to draw fast, you draw faster by making the process simpler.

>> No.4014032
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4014032

>>4013950
Dude, the first video has like 1h of locked content for the public. Just check his channel and you will see this happens a lot. Even the fucking brushes are behind a paywall.

>> No.4014037

>>4003270
this looks awesome, where can I find it?

>> No.4014039

>>4013950
They're just butthurt /begs/ trying to find an external source to blame for their shortcomings. Basically, any time an artist isn't handholding and pampering people with explainations down to a molecular level, it means that they're hiding a secret to keep the /beg/s from getting good.

>> No.4014051

>>4014032
>$5
Boy just fucking give him the money and take what you want

>> No.4014056
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4014056

tried faces again since i didn't like how the last one came out. should i just stop and go back to what i was doing before?

>> No.4014058
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4014058

>>4014010
I was shit and learned nothing for a long time as an 9 year old, but when I started using reference at around 13-14 is when I first started making improvements. Needless to say this has made me very big on the use of reference for beginners. /ic/ is very good for telling people to use reference, hell it's what people are already mostly doing in this thread, so I don't think I need to say this, but If you're using reference you're on the right path.

After that I started learning proportions. Appearantly some people say to do gesture studies or something, but I just went straight to trying to memorize drawing anime grills from scratch. You do this by making up proportions, testing them to see if they work, repeat. You use a lot of reference in the process. For this it's just developing a method, memorizing and getting used to it.

2 of the greatest developments early on was the discovery of depth, and trying to make it look good. depth is well, depth; but for trying to make it look good, well. When you're focused on developing a process, you're focused on technicalities and proportions. Eventually you gotta learn to not put yourself in this out of touch mindset, and are instead just focused on the drawing at hand, for good quality.

I stagnated a lot. I didn't like drawing, I was bad at it, and it took a lot of energy to do as I was so slow and didn't understand things in any simple way that works. In other words I was doing something wrong, yet I kept forcing myself to draw, and feeling bad that I wasn't drawing even though it was crappy. [tip; you cannot sustainabley do something hard, so don't expect it. if something is hard, you need to make it easier if you want to sustain it.]

Never gave up in perpetuity tho, eventually I got smarter and found better methods of figuring things out (troubleshooting, trying find a simpler way). Fixing all the little mistakes I learned, 1 by 1, until here I am, finally, finally making progress. Thank God for the wisdom.

>> No.4014059
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4014059

Hey /ic/ beginner "artist"

Which is a stretch to say for me, since i consider myself more of a casual doodler than an actual artist :/

1st time back at character doodling in yrs and havent been to /ic/ in yrs too figured id post here and see how quickly you guys tell me im shit and to kms crab, ngm, etc etc.

Hopefully someone somewhere thinks its qt or has some sort of potential maybe idk.

>p.s i cant find my old art tablet so im stuck practicing on ol paper n pencil till im done barber school and can buy a new one

>> No.4014060

>>4014056
loomis

>> No.4014066

>>4014060
you mean hampton right?

>> No.4014071

>>4014051
Kys Lack

>> No.4014073

>>4014056
this was with reference?

>> No.4014075

>>4014073
only hair.

>> No.4014078

>>4014039
>hiding your color wheel / or whatever
>hiding your brush settings
>hiding your basic construction / guidelines
>figures magically appear out of nowhere

HE'S NOT HIDING ANYTHING BRO LOL GET GUD HAHA FUKEN BEGS STAY BAD!

>> No.4014110
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>>4014056
your proportions are all over the place, but how do you fail to keep your own symmetry right is beyond me, just trace a vertical line a go from there

>> No.4014127

>>4014110
at this moment i didn't really care for the body and more the face. i just put it there so it doesn't look like a floating head. think of it as a filler

>> No.4014132

>>4014127
the face has the same problem, left side is wider and too round like a toddler without the body and that hair looks stiff as fuck, try using a ref and practice from there

>> No.4014142
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>>4014132
how about the eyes put together, does it at least have a decent "anime" style going for it. I can fix the other flaws easily but its always the eyes that fucked me up and I can never get it looking "anime" enough.

extra questions so i can incorporate it into my studies time after Hampton studies.

>too round like a toddler
how so, i never really took anime seriously but tried to copy what i see in an anime book i found in a shop that has a nice style i wish to copy. Even the eyes are a rip off of it
>hair looks stiff as fuck
hair has never been my strongest thing with anything. but may you redline it to show me if you have the time.if not its fine
>try using a ref and practice from there
will do, also can i still used that shitty book i got. some pages looks like 2000 shitty anime are but 80% looks amazing and is a style i wish to copy. should i copy the picture and whatnot

>> No.4014150

>>4014075
I dunno how much reference you do, or how long you have been doing this, but either way it's worth noting that there are limits to the usefulness of reference. Past a certain point, you don't learn much from further reference.

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4014153

>>4014142
trick to getting the eyelashes thingy. Getting it thick I mean.

>> No.4014155

>>4014078
>hiding your color wheel / or whatever
Nigger are you blind? The color wheel is right there along with the entire color history.

>hiding your brush settings
The brush is basic as fuck and can be replicated easily. But of course you're completely unwilling to experiment and study how brush settings work and is completely reliant on presets.

>hiding your basic construction / guidelines
Not all artists construct rigorously like Hampton, in fact most working artists don't. Did you not see the timelapse thread?

>figures magically appear out of nowhere
Yes, because every artist are obligated to draw every single pixel live, otherwise they are hiding a secret. They should be banned from drawing anything outside of streaming hours.

Truly peak NGMI. But keep trying to find that one secret golden nugget that is totally keeping you from getting good.

>> No.4014165

>>4014142
dont worry about the eyes too much there's a lot of styles and definitely not a definite one and the one you are using is more suited for lolis/jc's, now compare the eyes sizes and face ratio in your ref with your drawing, yours are smaller making the face shape look off when combined

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>>4014165

>> No.4014174
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4014174

>>4014155

>> No.4014195

>>4010953
>>4010807
Ex-admin and bearer of boipussy here, and I approve this message.

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>>4014170
something like this?
saved your picture so i can study it. going to keep trying to set eyes correctly

>> No.4014202

>>4014196
Just use loomis bitch.
>>4011200

>> No.4014205

>>4014196
I ain't gon repeat myself but stay the fuck away from me.

>> No.4014207

>>4014202
fine
>>4014205
bipolar?

>> No.4014226

>>4014207
DON'T, DON'T SHOOT, ME DOWN. It started with a mere hello A BOY IS A GUN.

>> No.4014228
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4014228

Make sure to draw Shibuya Rin.

>> No.4014229

Can't believe the Shibuya Rin autist is back.

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>>4014196
just draw boxes/shapes unironically so your eyes can get used to to recognize symmetry

>> No.4014231

>>4014196
Look at you, scared. Scared of the real thing. I'll fuck you til you love me, faggot.

>> No.4014233

Why was the post deleted?

>> No.4014234

>>4014231
TYLER THE CREATOR IS A HACK

>> No.4014235

I'll fuck you till you love me, faggot.

>> No.4014237

>>4014233
just seem like i was over posting and deleted it thinking people got tired.

>> No.4014238

>>4014234
I don't listen to Hip hop.

>> No.4014239

>>4014237
Tyler the creator IS a hack, you faggot.

>> No.4014241

>>4014207
Did you use Loomis yet?

>> No.4014247
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4014247

trying to draw like 80s hiroyuki kitazume

>> No.4014250

>>4014247
You so motherfucking dangerous, you so motherfucking dangerous, you got me by my neck.

>> No.4014256

>>4014250
stop tylerposting immediately or there will be consequences

>> No.4014264
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4014264

help with the hand, i feel is fucked up

>> No.4014283
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4014283

>>4014264
I try

>> No.4014287
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4014287

>>4014059
Made another doodle

I know his knee looks weirdly bent but i wanted to play with extreme joint extensions like grasshoppers idk.

>> No.4014334
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4014334

i gotta keep drawing more cinnamon roll like sca

>> No.4014336

>>4014334
lat pidr

>> No.4014341

>>4014032
I only thing I dislike about Lack is that he has a stick up his ass about the worth of his self-made assets.

https://lack.booth.pm/items/524259
Almost $100 for a single brush.

https://lack.booth.pm/items/696563
$30 for just 8 gradient map settings.

https://lack.booth.pm/items/528416
$50 effect brush

https://lack.booth.pm/items/1095523
$50 fire effect

You can probably easily find good alternatives on Clip Studio Assets for free or for a smaller cost.

>> No.4014343

>>4014341
>easily find good alternatives
Do it then [-_-]

>> No.4014344
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4014344

Draw dick if you have artblock

>> No.4014403
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4014403

>>4014230
that crycle thing unironically helped me get better somewhat and i am using it for everything. thanks anon. i hope to draw a massive amount of porn because of you

>> No.4014414

>>4014403
eyes still small tho but at least i like it enough

>> No.4014417

>>4013807
>i did learn how to draw body perfectly
Looking at your head sketches you have major problems with shapes and perspective so go back to essentials.

>>4014283
I'd redraw all of it, the pose is stiff and boring, I bet you can do better

>>4014059
>>4014287
It's interesting but feels like you lack a direction. There definitely is potential though

>> No.4014419

>>4014417
>shapes and perspective
fuck yea even i admit that

>> No.4014450

>>4013988
>>4014004
>reminds me when I was bad
how can you be reminded of the present?

>> No.4014606

>>4014450
pyw

>> No.4014613

>>4013988
>>4014004
>aha looking at this reminds me when I was bad
Anon I

>> No.4014623

>>4014004
This one reminds when I was bad, so bad...

>> No.4014626
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4014626

>>4014004
Ahahahahahaha
>when I was bad
AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Holy fucking kek I love this general

>> No.4014631
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4014631

>>4014341
>$100 for a fucking brush
That's one of the most jewish things that I've seen

>> No.4014649

>>4014196
dont give up

>> No.4014652

>>4014623
>>4014626
pyw

>> No.4014660

>>4014155
This anon here is right.

I never understood why people think that custom brushes or settings provided by pros suddenly make you a better artist. You're not going to draw like a pro if you're using the same brush, it's a matter of preference, not utility. Lack is kinda jewish for trying to sell his assets, but he's smart. He got the fact that people fall for this shit(probably because of the constant GIBE BRUSH SETTING PLS on his streams). And that people will shill out because they don't fully understand how drawing works.

>> No.4014666
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4014666

>>4014652
I am >>4014623 anon

>> No.4014673

>>4003191
This is the absolute peak of anime draw tutorials. There it is, the epitome of all that everyone's ever done. Next you'll show me how to draw a chair in anime, right?

>> No.4014691

>>4014341
>>4014631
>>4014660

huh why tho. There are good unique brushes for which not even 5 or 10k would be enough since they change the feel, look, and workflow process dramatically. A good artist would get his money's worth since he'd get the money back after a couple months or a year of creating and selling better artwork. Most of those are nip brushes.

So I'd say you guys are pretty stupid for expecting good artists to just give out their tools for free, heck they wouldn't give away their personal "secret" tools anyway but at least you'll get something close to it that they customized, which often takes thousands of hours and attempts to turn into something decent. I haven't tried that guy's brush, but given that he priced it in such a way shows that he understands it's value (or the value of his brand) and is not willing to give it away for less. Ofc there are many who would try to scam you by selling overpriced snake oil, be it a tool, vid, tutorial etc, but it's up to you to distinguish between them.

>> No.4014695
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4014695

>>4014666
fuck you nigger lover here's my tenryuu... although I only got a few like this >.>

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>>4014691
>A good artist would get his money's worth since he'd get the money back after a couple months or a year of creating and selling better artwork
A good artist doesn't need to buy a brush from another good artist to make good art.

>> No.4014761

>>4014666
looks pretty good, not the other anon you're replying too
Might wanna do more than floating heads next time

>> No.4014783
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4014783

>>4012206
>>4012219

>> No.4014784

>>4014691
>change the feel, look, and workflow process dramatically.

Dramatically is a major overstatement.

>A good artist would get his money's worth since he'd get the money back after a couple months or a year of creating and selling better artwork.

A good brush will streamline certain things, but virtually every custom brush is just how hard/soft it is, texture, and is either more square or more round. After that, the nuances of any given brush get immensely diminishing returns. I find it extremely doubtful that a brush at that cost would get you your 'money's worth' when you could do the same thing with a far cheaper one.

>but given that he priced it in such a way shows that he understands it's value (or the value of his brand) and is not willing to give it away for less.

Or he understands that something is only as valuable as a fucking idiot is willing to buy it for. You can sell 100 $1 brushes to 100 intelligent people or one $100 brush to a dumbass with more money than sense.

>> No.4014785

>>4014341
What a fucking jerk

>> No.4014802

>>4014691
>There are good unique brushes for which not even 5 or 10k would be enough since they change the feel, look, and workflow process dramatically.
lol

>> No.4014806

>>4014341
>Almost $100 for a single brush.

And it's basically the oil paint flat brush that comes with clip studio with the tiniest bit more texture on the end.

>> No.4014812

>>4014806
JUST

>> No.4014815

>>4003115
Damn I really love big hand aesthetics, looks so soft and neat but sadly I have no idea how to imitate them without creating yaoi hands.

>> No.4014823

>>4014815
draw thicc wrists

>> No.4014824

>>4011200
This needs to be posted on every /asg/ thread and on the discord as well. Too many fucks going around actually studying art and just stick to their fundieless shit anime drawings.

>> No.4014828

>>4014032
Why should I pay him, if loomis is free?

>> No.4014837

I don't get the purpose of copying other artists like this but I'm still a shitter anyway. Does it really help?

>> No.4014845
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>>4011200
And someone did this anime loomis for bodies.

Honesty loomis has been a lot more helpful than any other art resource out tthere. It's just that t's a bit hard to swallow. But loomis is the man.

>> No.4014846

>>4014837
Yes.... if you are not a /beg

Copying really is for people that already have good fundies and just want to study style. Or draw their waifus.

If you can't draw just use loomis.

>> No.4014865

>>4014846
Anon is right, you need to understand what you're studying and find the common patterns

>> No.4014866

>>4014846
Too bad Loomis is too difficult for me.

>> No.4014868

>>4014334
draw some tohou.

>> No.4014891

>>4014837
Funny saying that in an anime thread. Because Every Jap artists say to find an artist you like and copy the shit out of them

>> No.4014900
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4014900

how i do. never really finished a drawing before

>> No.4014916

>>4014866

Fun with pencil isn't hard.

>> No.4014929

>>4014900
Head of a child body of a male bodybulder

>> No.4014947

>>4014929
just shrunk the chest.
>head
does it have to be bigger then that?

>> No.4014971
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4014971

>>4014900
oh was this without reference?

>>4014947
different head size bodies. My orignal style was 7 heads plus a little bit.
I also learned a sailor moon style of body. I'd like to describe it as 6 total heads tall, but i'm actually not sure. The legs get extended and I've always just winged it.
Recently i learned another style where it's 4 heads.

>tl;dr if you're doing 8 head tall gigachads on a child's face, that's dumb.

>> No.4014973

>>4014170
western artists always seem to underestimate just how much of the face cute anime girl eyes take up

>> No.4014984

>>4014973
depends on the style desu

>> No.4015027
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4015027

Would love some feedback on this.
Please be frank when I should fuck off to /beg/ :^)

>> No.4015034

>>4014900
It's not very good to be quite frank.

Take a look at /beg/ for some beginner tips!

>> No.4015035

>>4014264
Looks pretty good if you were going for an exaggerated perspective.

>> No.4015040

>>4014247
We're in the same discord :^)

>> No.4015048

>>4015027
What is she doing?

>> No.4015050

>>4015048
Bringing all the boys to the yard

>> No.4015057

>>4015048
Well, nothing really, she's supposed to get groped by an alpha anime male.

But I can't draw anime men. Maybe I should practice some of that today.

>> No.4015113
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4015113

When do I get to draw this good? I want to draw stuff like this.

>> No.4015116

>>4014845
This isn't Loomis, this is a mannequin.
Stop saying "Loomis this Loomis that", retard.

>> No.4015132

>>4015116
Loomis isnt just heads my guy

>> No.4015136
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4015136

>>4015040
cool

>> No.4015153
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>>4014866
Then you would be too retarded to draw, period.
Loomis, if you strip away the specific way of teaching anatomy and whatnot, is at its core construction drawing, and is in principle no different than any other method of construction taught by any other instructor. They each have different ways of presenting specific subject matter, like proportions and whatnot, but the concept is still the same. Once you get the concept of construction drawing and become proficient in manipulating imaginary 3D solids, of creating an illusion of depth and form on a 2D plane, you can literally draw anything by breaking down a subject into its constituent parts and memorizing them. You can't effectively draw from imagination at all without understanding this stuff. Instructors like Loomis just give you a foundation to start with, and honestly Loomis is probably one of the easier ones to understand. Try taking a look at Bridgman or Burne Hogarth's books sometime, they're much more complicated and they don't handhold at all. Loomis's books are pretty comprehensive and explain the concepts pretty thoroughly.

Your problem most likely isn't that you can't into Loomis but rather that you're probably jumping in the deep end too soon and getting frustrated because you don't have the prerequisite skills necessary to understand and utilize construction drawing effectively.

Try going through Keys to Drawing and Drawabox, strengthen your observational drawing skills and have at least some understanding of how to draw 3D form, and then take another crack at Loomis. If you can't draw simple solids you're definitely going to have a hard time jumping into Loomis or any other instructor of constructive anatomy.

>> No.4015160

>>4015153
Don't

Don't shoot

Me down.

>> No.4015169

I CAN'T EVEN LIE, I'VE BEEN LONELY AS FUCK.

>> No.4015188
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4015188

drawing some ruby roser today

>> No.4015194

>>4015153
>Keys to Drawing
Tried telling another artist to draw with me on it together and they said "have fun with that"

>> No.4015195

so FUCK YOUR KEYS TO DRAWING IM DRAWING PROKO

>> No.4015206

>>4015194
why did you think they meant it passive aggressively? maybe they genuinely wished you to have fun with it

>> No.4015213

>>4015116
No wonder you are NGMI

That’s straight out of fun with pencil/ figure drawing for all its worth , you brainlet

>> No.4015214

>>4015206
Because they were an established artist already with a small but nonexistent following and they were working on a game at the time too.

>> No.4015215

>>4015188
Draw toohoo.

>> No.4015223

>>4015213
DONT SHOOT!

>> No.4015226

>>4015188
Is that you tuna guy?

>> No.4015229

>>4015206
>>4015214
And if you don't believe me here's their blog
kappaengineer.tumblr.com/tagged/Kappa-Artz

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4015240

>>4015116
You fucking retard. Calling you brainlet would be a compliment as it imples you have a brain.

That method is straight out of Loomis figure dtawing for all it's worh.

Second the artist made the example of drawing a manequin over it specifically to show how loomis applies to anime.
>ngmi

>> No.4015246

You so motherfucking dangerous, you so motherfucking dangerous, you got me by my neck.

>> No.4015252

Can someone give me a quick rundown on the rabid tyler posting?

>> No.4015275
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4015275

>>4015057
>>4015057
Maybe better for the porn thread, but since this thread is done I'll post it here. Interacting figures are tough. If you have tough time with anime men, maybe try drawing regular men?

>> No.4015283
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4015283

>>4015153
is hitokaku good too?

>> No.4015356

>>4015275
She wasn't supposed to be brutally destroyed in terms of sex and the male is a little too alpha for my taste.

Just groping.

But I'll gladly take the redline you gave me.

>> No.4015360

>>4015169
Yes, me too brother

>> No.4015443
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4015443

In my opinion it looks good.
Same artist as >>4015027

Tell me if I need to fuck off to /beg/

>> No.4015482
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4015482

>> No.4015488
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4015488

Another for the l o o m i s shrine...

>> No.4015494

>>4015443
LMAO GO BACK TO BEG

and pay more attention to your ref

>> No.4015542

>>4015494
I didn't use ref

>> No.4015548

>>4015488
What character is this again?

>>4015482
Which one of them did you draw?

>> No.4015559
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4015559

want to draw cinnamon roll and her girlfriend like sca gotta work harder

>> No.4015827

>>4015283
I've never read that one, but yeah, that looks good. I would recommend looking at as many different books as you can, honestly, because each instructor offers a different perspective and new ways of thinking of and looking at a subject. The more ways of looking at a subject or problem that you have, the more solutions you have to apply to it.

>> No.4015829

>>4015275
[BLACKED]

>> No.4015879

>>4014845
damn she sticc

>> No.4015884

>>4015027
/beg/ is a trap to make you even more of a /beg/, I'd say join /dad/ and look how other anons are doing their studies

>> No.4015889

>>4015252
it's just the autist having an episode. Just ignore him

>> No.4015901
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4015901

I thought that understanding realism would be the hardest part, wrong, style is hell.

Am I supposed to put anime eyes as if they are stickers on a round surface?
This is what some of my favorite artists seem to do on certain 3/4 angles.
It's killing me to do this though, I can't stop thinking about how wrong it would look like if I rotated the face on a front view

>> No.4015905

>>4015901
Just copy those anime tutorial bools, nibber

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4015975

the pose is a little off but I tried

>> No.4016040
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4016040

Maybe I shouldn't have used a loli as a reference.

>> No.4016066

>>4015901
try to see the anime eyes in volume. Imagine it as an eyeball, not as a flat sticker

>> No.4016157
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4016157

>> No.4016187

>>4016157
blog?

>> No.4016293
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4016293

Did this to try to see if I could understand what was getting shaded in the original, and I don't think I learned shit. some of this shading seems so arbitrary

>> No.4016300

>he pays for his brushes
just get the free brush sets, experiment with them and after trying various brushes you can replicate pretty much any brush

>> No.4016303

>>4016293
Original is enough for what it's trying to do with a light source being from the top slightly tilted to its left. It's not going be totally logical in every realistic respect but just to a point where it appears sensible without thinking too hard which is what could cause that arbitrary feeling.

>> No.4016314

>>4016293
There is a shading technique that puts volume of the character you're drawing before "photophysical correctness", maybe try adding as much volume to the character by lighting as a starting point for doing lighting.

Not to say that this technique gets a lot of harsh criticism, but it might explain the reason why the lighting can be arbitrary.

>>4016303 Also has a good point, the artist isn't a computer after all.

>> No.4016385

>>4014866
Thinking it's too difficult and giving up is the first step to ngmi. I also find it difficult because of the wording, English isn't my first language and Loomis explanations seem somewhat cryptic. Read it over and over again until you understand, and if you don't, there are people who do and they explain Loomis methods. I felt thrown into deep water reading his instructions but after watching a video of someone showing his method in practice it suddenly became completely clear as you connect the dots. If you give up so easily, you can as well stop drawing, so keep trying and look for videos showing Loomis in practice. Read over and over again and experiment on your own, and you'll get it.

>> No.4016667

>>4016385
This. Also I recommend starting with fun with pencil. If you go straight to the harder books without this one, you are just shotting yourslf in the foot.

>> No.4016680

massive autist samefags himself yet again

>> No.4016681

>>4016157
I like this. I can clearly see you were influenced by hitokaku.

Blog?

>> No.4016723

an aspie so attention starved, he deletes and repost the exact samepost to himself

>> No.4017051

>>4016157
QT
blog?

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4017168

>>4016187
>>4016681
>>4017051

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