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3995109 No.3995109 [Reply] [Original]

Reminder that talent IS real, although it not inherent ability one begins with, but rather the rate at which you learn and the potential you can reach.

If you are a brainlet you will never be a great artist. You simply can't solve the mental challenges of art quickly or effectively enough.

>> No.3995113
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3995113

Reminder that you can make it even if you're a brainlet if you work hard enough and that no matter how good or bad your brain supposedly is the only two things stopping (you) are the excuses you make for yourself and the time you waste not paying attention.

>> No.3995117

>>3995109
No one ever argued that talent straight out doesnt exist, rather that what talent actually is isnt so obvious to some people. Talent is predisposition to learning efficiently, thats really all there is to it. Untalented people can reach the same end result, it just takes them longer/harder work. Sadly for some people who suffer from mild retardation (IQ in the 80s), that time needed may exceed a human lifespan, but they could still have some fun with it

>> No.3995119

Reminder that talent is a thing, but it's actually talent for business that makes you NGMI, not talent for art.
You can be the best artist in the world, but if you can't market and sell yourself, nobody will give a shit about your art. There's no inherent value to art, only its market value. Well, maybe people sill start giving a shit decades after you're dead, when it's safe for good businessmen to sell and market your art without your pesky involvement.

You can have shitty art, but as long as you have a good business sense, you will make it. See: jazza.

>> No.3995122

>>3995109
This is true.
>>3995113
This is false, feel-good American Dream-level deluded nonsense.

>> No.3995127

>>3995113
>>3995117
>>3995119
Absolutely based and gmi
>>3995109
>>3995122
Have sex

>> No.3995134

Reminder that if you're past /beg/ level you're already above 99% of people and shouldn't beat yourself up for not being in the top 0.000001% that learns faster.

>> No.3995169

>>3995119
>but if you can't market and sell yourself
this is such a bullshit way to say "if you don't pander and draw dumb shit" because that's all it really boils down to. You can do literally everything another artist does but if your art isn't some dumb normie shit you won't get even a fraction of the following.

>> No.3995183

>>3995169
>normie
Opinion disregarded, lurk more or kill yourself you waste of air.

>> No.3995186

kind of off topic, but does anyone think asians are really good at drawing partly because their writing system is pretty complex to write in the first place?

>> No.3995238

>>3995134
How do I know I'm past /beg/ level?

>> No.3995242

>>3995113
based

>> No.3995256
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3995256

Anyone can become almost as good as a professional runner.

You won't be able to beat Usain Bolt, but you will be able to beat 999 out 1000 people in a race.

And that amount of excellence is enough to work and live off of art.

Whoever wrote this didn't realize that the fact that people don't realize creativity is quantifiable makes it hard to objectively measure art, so not only artists,but also the viewer will hold loose standards.

Next?

>> No.3995260

>>3995109
Well duh
Regardless
Work trumps Talent when talent wont work

>> No.3995263

>>3995256
>do I sound smart yet mommy

>> No.3995270

>>3995238
You're past /beg/ level when you stop browsing /ic/

>> No.3995271

>>3995238
If you post you’re art and you have nothing but angry crabs calling your work shit without any intention of helping you improve you’ve advanced past /beg/

>> No.3995339

>>3995263
No.

>> No.3995349

This is a long way of saying intelligence exists

>> No.3995354

>>3995109
if you are not left handed you are ngmi anon

>> No.3995994

>>3995349
It does though.

>> No.3996003

There are 2 kinds of brainlet opinions.

>"yay, everyone is exactly the same, we all have the exact same potentials, intelligence and creativity. If we all just tried we would all reach the same level of greatness at anything we want to accomplish."

And

>"I'm not as talented as the others. Therefore i should quit."

If you need to deceive yourself about reality itself to keep trying or quit then you're a pussy. Accept the truth but then keep working hard to reach your own potential.

>> No.3996074

>>3996003
Realizing you're a retard not suited for heavily mentally pursuits is a good way to save yourself some grief.

You don't send brainlets to learn to be doctors.

>> No.3996086

>>3995109
Reminder that "making it" is poorly defined and ultimately subjective, and even the goal of "big enough to make a living" hasn't been adequately explored and basically nobody knows what the lower requirements are so whether or not a brainlet can make it is anyone's guess

>> No.3996173

>>3996074
We're talking about art not science. There are part of a population too brainlet to even follow instructions but if you managed to post on a Japanese basket weaving forum then you are not one of them.

>> No.3996222

>>3995109
>but rather the rate at which you learn
I disagree. I think speed of learning is from talent - talent CAN speed up the learning process, but not always.

Talent to me is that extra "something", that some people have, and others don't. It's not technique, or speed, or materials. It's how your brain works. It's how you see the world, and how you express that, through your hand, onto paper/monitor. Some people have 'it". Some people can develop it. Some never will. Why? If I knew that, I'd be a millionaire.
The best example I can think of is two people, who decide to be photographers. They get the same cameras, same books to read, and go shoot the same subject. Let's say it's a statue.
The first person does everything the book says, in terms of settings, lenses, etc. They take a straight on shot of the statue, from the front, at 90 degrees from it, at eye level.
The other person moves around the statue, takes shots from different angles, until the find the right angle, settings, and distance, to add drama and narrative and a unique perspective, that ends up in a photo that's interesting and compelling to look at.
One person produces a boring, flat, uninspired picture. The other produces an image you want to hang on the wall and look at, a lot.

That's where the talent is. Same tools, same learning, different results.

Can the first person be taught to do what the second did?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

>> No.3996224

>>3995119
>You can be the best artist in the world, but if you can't market and sell yourself, nobody will give a shit about your art.
They should invent something for that. And call it "agents". That might work.

>> No.3996243

>>3996224
>literally paying for a business graduate to be your pimp and whore you out to the public
Imagine being so cucked.

>> No.3996248

>>3996243
Grow up.

>> No.3996282

>>3995183
tryhard newfag

>>3995169
marketing =/= pandering fanart
it's not pandering to the broadest audience, but finding the right audience for your product.

>>3995270
based and redpilled