/vent/ thread

[Anonymous No.3990517]

Fuck all you dumbfags for invading ic. The majority of this board doesn't even draw and only decided to become an artist a year ago. The posts here get dumber by each passing week. And yet they are written as if you know what you're talking about. Now that you've made me leave this shithole, you can continue dragging what once was an art board to its inevitable death

[Anonymous No.3990523]

I can't have fun with art anymore, how the fuck do people do it? Everytime I try to draw I get frustrated because I can't make what I have on my mind. Is it just a meme parroted by professionals?

[Anonymous No.3990527]

>>3990523
Even though hardwork is important talent plays a big role too.
Pic related pretty much sums it up

[Anonymous No.3990528]

>>3990527
Shit man, does that mean that not anyone will make it?

[Anonymous No.3990530]

>>3990527
talent does not exist

[Anonymous No.3990531]

>>3990523

[Anonymous No.3990533]

>>3990528
Yup, if you've put in a solid amount of hours working smart and still haven't made any noticeable progress you may as well quit and save yourself many more years of crushing disappointment.

[Anonymous No.3990534]

>>3990528
Yes but doesn't mean you should give up. You dont have to be a great draftsman to create art that has value. You just have to change your definition of "making it"

[Anonymous No.3990536]

>>3990523
Stop judging the outcome mm'kay. Chill. Lot of pros are good because they never bashed themselves hard enough to stop themselves drawing.

[Anonymous No.3990537]

I want to contribute OC to art threads but I get so nervous when I start preparing to post a picture that I give up. Like sick to my stomach level of nerves and it’s stupid. I never feel this way when doing red lines or paint overs.

[Anonymous No.3990539]

>>3990517
What kind of bullshit is this /ic/ ?
I just realize my goal is to become a manga artist but you have to draw a character 100 times and that's just the first fucking chapter.

[Anonymous No.3990540]

>>3990537
Working off of someone else's base is not the same thing as making your own content from scratch. You have no clear place to start so you're getting the art equivalent of butterflies in the stomach one would feel when having to interact with a crush.
Literally just draw. Upload it anyway. You'll never improve if you never try.

[Anonymous No.3990542]

>>3990537
Have you posted them on other places? If not, your have to realize no one actually gives a shit about a random anon and post them. If you're scared of criticism then you are the one that need it most

[Anonymous No.3990544]

>>3990539

[Anonymous No.3990545]

>>3990540
Oh, I draw all the time, I just don’t upload my drawings anywhere because of the nerves. But you’re right, I should work on just pushing through that feeling.

[Anonymous No.3990546]

>>3990544
>dragonball
Your opinion isn't valid, normalfag.

[Anonymous No.3990547]

>>3990536
I want to avoid what >>3990531 posted

[Anonymous No.3990571]

>>3990517
I’ve been packing my house for 2w, I’m so bored, I just want to draw, but I packed all my drawing shit

[Anonymous No.3990573]

I posted a few pictures here because I wanted help to get better and get some redlines or tips or whatever. But people kept telling me they were garbage so I just quit drawing all together.

[Anonymous No.3990574]

>>3990573
>MISSION COMPLETE

[Anonymous No.3990576]

>>3990530
Keep, telling yourself that, bud.

[Anonymous No.3990583]

>>3990517
>>
It must be summer

[Anonymous No.3990587]

>>3990527
Talent only makes a difference in technical ability, your taste and soul are just you. Technical skill is important of course because it allows you to put your vision down in a tangible way, but it's still secondary to your vision, and the further you progress in skill the more you realize this. You can always work on being a better person and develop better taste in things.

[Anonymous No.3990594]

>>3990517
People that draw porn and give me career advice as if I were drawing porn are so fucking out of touch it's unbelievable. Don't you understand that your 5 minute scribbles got you a public because you draw porn? It's not art, stop giving advice to artists

[Anonymous No.3990600]

You people are fucking idiots. How the fuck are you going to become a better artist if you LITERALLY DON'T FUCKING DRAW?
>>3990547
That guy is a fucking moron.
>can't find a reason to keep going if I will never reach greatness
You won't reach fucking greatness unless you KEEP FUCKING GOING RETARD.
>the thought that I will never become an artist literally keeps me from sleeping at night
Then why did he fucking quit? You literally will never become an artist if you fucking quit.
>the pain of failure is too great to begin again
Literally EVERYONE fails at shit. Even professional artists.

Literally all you need to do is change your mindset which is really fucking easy in my opinion. Instead of comparing yourself to the greats, just go at your own fucking pace. Instead of RREEEing because you imagine the perfect anime girl in your head and can't draw it on the page, start fucking simple and imagine just an individual arm, or a leg, then look up references for that and draw it, then, after drawing it from reference a couple of times, imagine it in your head and draw that, then compare that drawing to what you were referencing from, if it isn't perfect, don't freak out, just fucking establish what you did wrong and do it again keeping in mind what mistakes you made previously.

The key here is to just come to grips with and understand that you won't do it perfectly the first time. Here's another thing to consider:
>quit art two years ago after 6 years of trying
But what does "trying" mean in this context? Was he working four hours a day doing studies? Or skimming drawing books and doodling for 20 minutes every couple of days? If you aren't drawing every day you aren't going to improve.

This shit is so fucking obvious but you underage /ic/ anime drawing scrubs just don't understand and you never will because Anime has basically rotted your fucking brains.

[Anonymous No.3990603]

>>3990523
the desire to draw porn of my OTP fuels me

[Anonymous No.3990607]

>>3990546
>Liking shonen makes me a normalfag
Youll have to draw the same character over a thousand times if you make a successful manga
Keep being a ngmi drawlet niggertardofag

[Anonymous No.3990623]

>>3990600
would be interesting to see the work of someone who would post this wall of text.
Genuinely asking out of curiosity. please post work.

[Anonymous No.3990631]

>>3990623
I made this kind of posts years ago. You have been drawing for 3-4 years and are experiencing serious conflicts and doubts, so you make these posts to convince yourself of the things you're typing. After a while you just realize it's all hopeless as fuck but you still keep going because it's your calling and you don't see yourself doing anything else.
I would tell anybody experiencing doubts to quit immediately. If they really care they won't be able to quit anyway. Always quit if art is not absolutely necessary for you.

[Anonymous No.3990688]

>>3990530
So you are telling be I could have been a gold medalist in the sport of my choice if i simply trained? I guess all those people trying to get to the top are just lazy.

[Anonymous No.3990762]

feelio when losing followers

[Anonymous No.3990790]

>>3990688
>I could have been a gold medalist in the sport of my choice if i simply trained
Sure why not?

[Anonymous No.3990815]

Just watched sinix's art supplies video.
He's a professional artist with a well rounded skill set who's better than anyone on /ic/ is or will ever be, and he lives in some dingy dilapidated apartment and uses a 10 year old tablet. Meanwhile, jazza is rich as fuck.

There is no such thing as "making it" as an artist, you can only make it as a businessman.

[Anonymous No.3990816]

>>3990587
Having good taste and vision is also a talent, brainlet.

Why do you think some people make highly technical kitsch shit like horses and waterfalls, and others single handedly create entire art movements with their scribbles?
Your aunt who watches soap operas and informercials on TV won't suddenly develop her taste and become an art house connoisseur.

[Anonymous No.3990880]

>>3990816
Oh fuck off, at this point let's just pin everything to cosmic determinism and if you're not an effortlessly phenomenal artist with groundbreaking ideas out the ass you better give up right away. If you work hard 10 hours a day and squeeze yourself until you bleed because you love art it's just talent, whatever positive thing you do no matter the effort it's talent, hell even being able to put effort into things is talent.

[Anonymous No.3990937]

>>3990880
Motivation is literally hereditary, though.

But to be fair, talents aren't that rare in the first place. It's likely that if you have an interest in drawing, you have some kind of talent that aids in creation of art. You could have enough to be a competent or professional draftsman.

Having enough talents in a single area to become one of the greats, though, is extremely rare. You have to win the probability lottery. I'd even argue that most people have a similar amount of talents. Maybe you're decent at gardening, can play a bit of chess, and sketch well. What separates the greats from the average, is having all of the talent concentrated in a single field. Masters don't autistically grind some specific, narrow technique. They have a comprehension of their entire field of study that is as wide as it is deep.

[Anonymous No.3990953]

I have literally never finished a painting.
I always get some idea for a painting, I get to the part where I execute the idea I was interested in, go "oh, so that's how it works", then abandon the painting.
Repeat every few days. My doctor says I probably have ADHD, but amphetamines are illegal in my country, even for medical practice.

I look at all these half finished works that could have been something, and it makes me sad.

[Anonymous No.3990968]

really happy that this talent vs hardwork discussion is still prevalent on this board, hopefully it demotivates year one beginner artists into quitting because of their lack of perceived progress despite art not being an easy task at all and is actually a lifelong endeavor for the artists this board idolizes :)

[Anonymous No.3990979]

>>3990527
Dont you see that you're setting yourself up?
The next time you fail at something, you're just gonna say it's your brain and it's not your fault you suck at a certain activity.

Talent does exist, sure, but I dont think any average person browsing ic has a deficient brain that makes them not able to draw.

It's just a scapegoat anons throw in order to help with the crushing blow of failing.

Stop fearing failure, it's apart of the process.
If you dont fail, you'll never see what it is you need to improve on. In that aspect, failure is needed.
Without facing failure you will be like >>3990531
Too afraid to fail means you'll avoid the things you love because you're scared

[Anonymous No.3991002]

>>3990979
None of that applies to me because I have the talent, and any of my failures are because I didn't try hard enough.

[Anonymous No.3991016]

What exactly are people's goals when they send you messages or leave you public comments saying "I'm unfollowing you"?

I have changed from a sfw to a nsfw artist in the past few months and someone just felt the need to send me a message (over a paragraph!) saying why he's unfollowing me, and basically just shaming and trying to guilt me on losing him. - However, I don't recognize this guy at all. I have few followers, and I know which ones in particular do things like leave me regular comments and follow me on every social media (only about 3-4 of them), and I don't remember ever seeing this guy. Which makes his entitlement and shaming all the more pointless.

[Anonymous No.3991019]

Just fucking draw! Use cheap printer paper and pencils as shitty as the ones you'd find on the ground in school! Fucking copy the techniques of artists you like on twitter! Read Loomis/Hampton/who fucking ever! Make mistakes! Cringe at them, learn from them and move on! Fucking burn them if you need to!
No one is a master within the first day,month or even fucking year.
One line a day is better than nothing! Just fucking draw!

[Anonymous No.3991047]

>>3991002
Wew

[Anonymous No.3991060]

went to my first painting class, might as well have been symbol drawing, terrible compared to everyone else
embarrassing

[Anonymous No.3991070]

>>3990937
>Motivation is literally hereditary
This is "literally" the most retarded thing I have EVER read hahahah

[Anonymous No.3991074]

>>3991070
Some people are literally born without functioning frontal lobes, though. They're completely normal people, except that they end up failures at life because they have no motivation.

[Anonymous No.3991077]

>>3991074
I think the word you're looking for is "discipline" rather than motivation, since its a process derived from execution control.

[Anonymous No.3991078]

>>3990517
Post your work.

[Anonymous No.3991083]

>>3991074
>Google what the odds are of being born without a frontal lobe
>3 in 10,000
>Without a frontal lobe you couldn't even form basic thoughts let alone fucking MOVE
>"They're completely normal people, except that they end up failures at life because they have no motivation."
Holy fuck, you retards will go to ANY lengths to make fucking excuses for yourselves. You HAVE a fucking frontal lobe. You aren't BORN without motivation, you just need to fucking DO IT YOU LAZY FUCKING ASSHOLE. IT'S NOT EVEN HARD.

[Anonymous No.3991094]

>>3991083
I said non-functioning frontal lobes.

>>3991077
"Discipline" is what pretentious people call motivation.

[Anonymous No.3991095]

>>3991083
>IT'S NOT EVEN HARD.
drawing is the hardest skill i've come accross yet and I'm a musician

[Anonymous No.3991097]

>>3991083
you're exaggerating by taking everything literally, look at anon's intent, anon

[Anonymous No.3991101]

>>3991095
Funny, I've always wanted to go into music, I enjoy listening to music and singing a lot more than looking at pictures or drawing, but my parents were too poor to buy me an instrument or take me to classes, so I just picked drawing as the next big thing.
Now I just stick with it because it feels like I'm too far in to just pick up an entirely different hobby.

[Anonymous No.3991106]

>>3991097
>anon's intent, anon
His intent is to make excuses for how lazy he is.
>>3991094
>non-functioning frontal lobes.
Who gives a fuck? Your frontal lobe fucking functions. Why would you WANT to be a retard?
>>3991095
Drawing WELL is hard, drawing in general is not.
>>3991101
>Now I just stick with it because it feels like I'm too far in to just pick up an entirely different hobby.
What the fuck? You're probably like 23 or some shit. It's not "too late" to pick up a different hobby. And you can have multiple hobbies.

God you people are retarded.

[Anonymous No.3991107]

>>3991095
funny story--two stemlads and I took our first drawing course together at university and we all said we were nervous about the class, and agreed that it was the most anxiety-inducing class they've ever taken because we felt like we were expected to perform at something we've never done before
of course the class was super comfy and ended up pretty relaxing after the first day
that said, everything is hard at first, not just music, drawing, math, physics, computer science

[Anonymous No.3991108]

>>3991016
I've gotten "unfollowed for boring content" before.
You can almost turn it into a positive ego stroke; that they cared enough to shoot you a message voicing their displeasure

[Anonymous No.3991113]

>>3991106
Anon, I'll be 30 before I finally git gud with music if I start now. By then I will already be an old man, it's too late.
Imagine a 30 year old self taught musician who only now just barely got good enough to start a metal band, trying to get into high school music cliques. I would be the subject of ridicule.

[Anonymous No.3991124]

>>3991113
You people are such fucking idiots.
>Anon, I'll be 30 before I finally git gud with music if I start now.
So, you die at age 30 now? Is that it? Jesus Christ. You're looking at this shit like it's some kind of investment for the future or some shit when it's supposed to be FUN. It's a HOBBY.
>Imagine a 30 year old self taught musician who only now just barely got good enough to start a metal band
I am sure there are PLENTY of musicians who got into music later in life.
>trying to get into high school music cliques.
Who the fuck said anything about high school music cliques? Why would you be hanging around with fucking high schoolers? You know that 30 year olds can have interests, right? There are PLENTY of older people who play music and own instruments.

Jesus fucking Christ, you people have such warped world views, it's insanity.

[Anonymous No.3991129]

>>3991124
If I wanted to have fun, I'd jack off.
Hobbies aren't supposed to be fun, they're supposed to be a challenge, something real and important enough that it makes you suffer for it.
>I am sure there are PLENTY of musicians who got into music later in life.
Name a single one.
>There are PLENTY of older people who play music and own instruments.
Yeah, and they'll have 20 years of experience behind their belt, why would they want to work with a beginner?

[Anonymous No.3991138]

>>3990527
The reason why you guys shouldn't buy into this talent shit is precisely this

Sure, our genetics shape who we are, but they are not the end all be all. Talent is a headstart, but with discipline anyone will catch up.

>Why the hell does art school exist?
>If famous renaissance artists were naturally gifted, why did they apprentice under another artist?
>Why do artists recommend art books to study?
>Why do artists even do studies?
>Why does critique exist?
If talent is the end all be all, then answer these questions.

Stop buying into talent. You're doing this because you want some force out of your control to blame, so you can tell everyone you did your best but
>muh genetics and muh neuroplasticity
Were to blame.
It would honestly be better if you just disregarded talent altogether because it's existence does not help you in any way.

[Anonymous No.3991142]

>>3991129
>Hobbies aren't supposed to be fun
Aaaaand there we go. I'm sorry, I can't help retards. I'm leaving.
>>3991138
Fucking this. There are SO many skilled people who say they never had any talent. The greatest fighting game player ever Daigo Umehara has said multiple times that he's never been good at videogames and never had a natural talent for them.

[Anonymous No.3991143]

>>3991138
>>Why the hell does art school exist?
>>If famous renaissance artists were naturally gifted, why did they apprentice under another artist?
>>Why do artists recommend art books to study?
How many apprentices do you think michaelangelo's master had? Why do you think you don't know any of THEIR names?
How many people have read an art book, and how many of them made it? You can probably expect the percentage to be very low. Why is that?
How many people went to art school, and how many actually became successful artists? What's the difference between those who made it, and those who didn't?

Schools are just a convenient institution to identify and filter the talented people, and con the untalented ones into paying for it.

[Anonymous No.3991145]

>>3991142
>talking about art
>makes a video game analogy
Are you fucking retarded? No wonder you think talent isn't real, you think making art is as easy as playing a video game.

[Anonymous No.3991146]

>>3990527
>after 1 month of training person X can run 100m in 20s
>after 1 month of equal training person Y can run 100m in 19s
>therefore person X should never bother with running because they are not talented
unless you are thinking "I wont bother to pick up drawing unless I can surpass kjg" then using lack of talent as an excuse for not drawing is moot

[Anonymous No.3991147]

>>3991145
not him but
>thinking being a professional level fighting game player is easier than being a professional artist

[Anonymous No.3991151]

>>3990527
>after 1 month of training person X can run 100m in 20s
>after 1 month of equal training person Y can run 100m in 19s because they have longer legs
>therefore person X should never bother with running because they are not talented
unless you are thinking "I wont bother to pick up drawing unless I can surpass kjg" then using lack of talent as an excuse for not drawing is moot

[Anonymous No.3991154]

>>3991151
But this is true. There is literally NO POINT in learning how to draw these days because there are so many good people out there.

[Anonymous No.3991156]

>>3991147
Yeah, it pretty much is.
Here's my proof: there are several top of the world fighting game players who are in their early 20s.
There are no top of the world professional artists who aren't at least 30.

[Anonymous No.3991159]

>>3991156
Actually, Daigo is 38 years old, Alex Valle is 41, Xian is 28, Fujimura is 31. There are a LOT of old fighting game players.
You're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.3991160]

>>3991156
There could be a lot of reasons for this in the modern age including that video games have proliferated exponentially over the years and are much more accessible and easy to pick up, and gaming communities are much more widespread. Consider that 400 years ago if you weren’t approaching mastery by your early to mid 20s you were falling behind. I don’t think video games are harder than art either

[Anonymous No.3991162]

>>3991154
>>3991156
drawing is not a race to see whos the best, drawing is about challenging ourself until we become good enough to be satisfied with our skill level

if you are trying to become the next world known artists then wtf are you doing on ic? because you already missed that chance by not drawing the last 15 years of your life so give up, because there is no catching up to them now

[Anonymous No.3991174]

>>3991159
>. There are a LOT of old fighting game players
I never claimed otherwise you fucking retard, learn some reading comprehension and kill yourself.

>until we become good enough to be satisfied with our skill level

[Anonymous No.3991178]

If you're ever satisfied with your skill level, you're never gonna make it. Enjoy your mediocrity.

>, because there is no catching up to them now
I'll just wait til they die

[Anonymous No.3991182]

>>3990527
Oh no I learn 23% slower than this guy. Guess i better give up.

[Anonymous No.3991183]

>>3991178
>I'll just wait til they die
their death will not hide their achievements, give up

[Anonymous No.3991197]

>>3991183
Every artist reaches their peak and stalls at some point.
For all you know, you could have a higher potential skill ceiling than them. But how do you find out if you do? By trying to be better than them, not by being satisfied with mediocrity.

It's funny how muh hard work fags are the first ones to admit that they want to get into the comfort zone of mediocre skill level and then stop improving. While talent chads strive to be the best, and the truth is that being the best requires talent.

[Anonymous No.3991201]

/ic died a long time ago friend.

[Anonymous No.3991211]

>>3991162
It doesn't matter if it is a race or not. There's no point in trying when so many masters exist these days that can draw everything. Your art will just look like shit compared to them.

[Anonymous No.3991222]

>>3991211
exactly, so give up

[Anonymous No.3991224]

>>3991095 #

This. I've played some of the more technically demanding pieces from Chopin and Liszt. Past beg and early intermediate level of drawing/painting, i haven't encountered anything quite nearly as difficult

[Anonymous No.3991225]

>>3991211
most retarded argument i've ever heard

[Anonymous No.3991244]

>>3991211
lol that feeling. I mean, take a spin around artstation and the likes, it is SATURATED with god-tier artists. But that's just the way I like it, i'll smash each one of them on my way to the top

[Anonymous No.3991296]

>>3991244
I haven't seen one, not even one god tier artist on ArtStation.

[Anonymous No.3991320]

>>3991296
Ruan Jia, you swine

[Anonymous No.3991326]

>>3991129
Anon, there are people in this world who fetishize eating shit. Literal consumption of feces. For sexual pleasure. EATING SHIT. There is everything in this world, and 8 billion people don't all mold into your standards of normalcy.

Ofc there are musicians who who started in their 30's. Probably millions if you round them all up. Stop being an idiot

[Anonymous No.3991330]

>>3991326
Eating shit is pretty ordinary in my view. Just from browsing imageboards.

But a working musician who started in his 30s, I've literally never seen or heard anything like that. If there's so fucking many of them, you should surely be able to name one.

[Anonymous No.3991335]

>>3991296
What makes god-tier?

[Anonymous No.3991338]

>>3991335

>>3991129
>Hobbies aren't supposed to be fun,
In future I probably shouldn't post before reading the rest of the thread.
Huh???
Love,
A woodcarver

[Anonymous No.3991345]

>>3991326
Everyone is a special snowflake

[Anonymous No.3991347]

>>3991330
>you should surely be able to name one.
go ask on /m/ or whatever is the music board, this is /ic/ and idgaf about musicians. i couldn't even name one from a common category.

But serious question, do you believe people become senile at 30? for what reason does all ambition or interest in a hobby evaporate when you reach that age?

[Anonymous No.3991348]

Everyone on this board is a pop culture worshiping pleb. Their idea of "making it" is to churn out shitty pin up art of someone else's entertainment media IP, or draw dumb shit like cool knights and pink haired bimbos, in a market oversaturated with other retards drawing cool knights and pink haired bimbos.

[Anonymous No.3991349]

>>3991347
Ambition and interest might not evaporate, but they're irrelevant. Your chances at success do evaporate, though.
The majority of successful artists started in their teens, or early 20s in the latest. The rest started as children.

[Anonymous No.3991371]

man this board is depressing

[Anonymous No.3991373]

>>3990517
It's the summer. This happens every summer, on every forum on the internet.

And /ic has always been iffy, it will get good for a while, then the assholes take over for a while. It's 4chan. It's what happens.

[Anonymous No.3991398]

>>3991348
That's exactly what I want to vent about- /ic/ is self conscious, no one here is willing to express interest in anything that isn't Renaissance art, van Gogh, or fucking anime.

[Anonymous No.3991436]

>>3991143
Talent is not the answer to any of those questions anon.
The thing that separates people that are good at a thing and bad at a thing is the willingness to face their fears head on.

If you and your pal both have never skateboarded, and you both tried it out for the first time, you both are gonna suck.
If your pal continued to learn how to skate months after the event, and you never tried again because you were afraid of making a fool out of yourself...
Who do you think is going to be better at skating?
Your stance on the matter just shows that you've given up

[Anonymous No.3991447]

>>3991154
Delete all art programs, art accounts you have and block all art sites & /ic/ since it's pointless and you want to give up

[Anonymous No.3991462]

>>3991436
You have a beginner's understanding of talent. To you, talent means "being able to draw". To someone who can already draw, talent means being able to draw something worth giving a shit about.

Michelangelo's master's apprentices were all competent artists, otherwise he wouldn't have hired them. But nobody gives a shit about them, because they didn't have the talent. Michelangelo did.

[Anonymous No.3991489]

>>3991462
I doubt you are a master draftsman anon. If you want to create meaning, you have to practice that in your artwork.
Namely learning composition to evoke feeling and meaning in the piece.
(Composition can be learned. Dont tell me that's talent)

Even if you buy into this "talent or bust" idea, what are you going to do now? Are you fine with quitting because you dont have talent or inspiration?

[Anonymous No.3991498]

>>3991489
>what are you going to do now?
I'm going to kill myself.

[Anonymous No.3991518]

>>3991498
Uhhhhhhhhhh dont do that

[Anonymous No.3991624]

>>3991113
>I would be the subject of ridicule.
Huh. How old's that idiot with the KFC bucket?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckethead
>Brian Patrick Carroll (born May 13, 1969), known professionally as Buckethead, is an American multi-instrumentalist musician who has received critical acclaim for his innovative electric guitar playing.[2] His music spans many genres, including progressive metal, funk, blues, bluegrass, ambient, and avant-garde music. He performs primarily as a solo artist, though he has collaborated extensively with a wide variety of high-profile artists such as Bill Laswell, Bootsy Collins, Bernie Worrell, Iggy Pop, Les Claypool, Serj Tankian, Bill Moseley, Mike Patton, Viggo Mortensen, That 1 Guy, Bassnectar, and was a member of Guns N' Roses from 2000 to 2004. He has released 306 studio albums, four special releases, and one EP. He has also performed on more than 50 other albums by other artists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adV8-_hgL4g
>14M views
But I suppose this is all beating around the bush- you don't draw in front of an audience.

>>3991145
>talking about art
>makes a video game analogy
>Are you fucking retarded?
Are you? You were happy to keep to the music analogy while you were winning.
Do you have a personal stake in this? This all sounds like doomer shit.
>>3991211
That is retarded, but to make the logic explicit- question: your favorite drawing is not the greatest drawing by the greatest artist. How?

[Anonymous No.3991724]

>decide to see if drawthreads have gotten any better
>start drawing
>see a mod going on a pissy fit turning the drawthread into his personal circlejerk
>stop drawing

I just want some quick feedback and asspats. I could just draw popular shit on twitter or something, but meh. Wish there was a good alternative to our drawthreads that weren't filled with shitty people and entitled assholes.

[Anonymous No.3991751]

>>3990979
Yes
The mind is a powerful thing and self negativity will fuck you up worse than the world’s biggest shitposting critic

[Anonymous No.3991775]

>>3990539
Have you ever read a manga son? Did you notice that a character appears more then one time?

[Anonymous No.3991873]

>get motivated watching kjg draw
>pickup pen from the floor and start drawing
>pile of crap on paper
>throw pen and sceam autistically
>24 hours later
>watch kolesov draw
>last 1000 failures are forgotten

[Anonymous No.3991887]

>>3991320
mediocre like all the rest

>>3991335
>What makes god-tier?
actual imagination

[Anonymous No.3992026]

>>3991335
Thought and refining a concept over and over

[Anonymous No.3992137]

>>3990517
Want to draw but fucking work and studying won't let me

[Anonymous No.3992371]

>>3991060
time to paint alone

[Anonymous No.3992382]

>>3990539
sounds like fun since it's always a different acting that you have to draw

[Anonymous No.3992512]

After a few hours of drawing, my brain just shuts off and I can't even make simple sketches

fuck ADHD

[Anonymous No.3992513]

>>3991371
It really is.

[Anonymous No.3992600]

>>3992512
I also have ADHD and it's really helpful if you can get your hands on a bunch of ritalin.

I am currently on something called concerta and it's fucking great, I haven't felt this good and empowered for the first time in 15 something years, the only problem is that they are somewhat expensive and you will need to see a shrink to get prescription.

[Anonymous No.3992670]

>>3992600
I live in a third world country where ADHD isn't a recognized mental illness, and possession of amphetamines gets you in prison.

On the bright side, I have bipolar as well, so every month or so I get really productive.

[Anonymous No.3992684]

>>3990517
I came back here in probably the first time in the last eight months and I'm not sure if it got worse or if I just have rose colored glasses

[Anonymous No.3992815]

>6 months ago, really bad back pain
>1 month ago, tendonitis
>today, small cyst in my lower back
What the fuck
Why am I so fucking fragile? I just want to sit down and fucking draw but my body keeps falling appart

AAAAAAAAAHHHHH

[Anonymous No.3993405]

>>3990517
>can't draw a human without designdoll
Fucking end me

[Anonymous No.3993449]

OH GOD my twitter is getting followed by so many unabashed extreme SJWs. I don't even talk about politics AHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.3993451]

>>3992512
>>3992600
How do you know you really have ADHD? My sister thinks she has that, but I'm suspecting she's just lazy.

[Anonymous No.3993453]

>>3992815
You are weak because you do not exercise and you eat like shit.

[Anonymous No.3993459]

Sometimes I just want to draw kawaii pastel uguus but that's the opposite of my aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.3993461]

>>3993405
>Using designdoll
How do people even do that? Is it a matter of getting to know the software better? Cuz I tried for a couple hours but the controls felt like a fucking nightmare. I just shelled out the cash for a figarts dummy and pose it on a table

[Anonymous No.3993474]

>>3993453
nothing but clean chicken/sea bream, rice, olive oil and lots of veggies
I also exercise
So fuck

[Anonymous No.3993598]

>>3993461
I used to work in sfm and blender so I'm kinda know how to work in 3d

[Anonymous No.3993631]

>>3992512
>>3992600
>>3992670
I feel your feeling deeply. I've been having trouble concentrating lately and I suspect it might either be ADHD or a lack of discipline. My shrink says it's ADHD but I can't say for certain.

That said, I've gotten feedback from professors in college who said that I needed to concentrate more, so. There's that.

[Anonymous No.3993735]

How? How do I make myself do anything.My ADD won't let me start. I am literally on the verge of being put into a mental hospital for being suicidal.

[Anonymous No.3993749]

>>3991211
you can’t compare yourself to other artists too much, anon. there’s a healthy competitive spirit and then there’s just being a whiny fuck that looks for any excuse to give up. what is it that you would want to achieve with art? do you have an original story or vision that you want to see realized? if so, you need to realize that the masters do what they do, but only you can do what you do, and that’s all that matters.

[Anonymous No.3993764]

>>3990880
there is plenty of meaningful work in mediocrity. plenty of math/scientists do incremental work which provides firm groundwork for the actually gifted to soar.

[Anonymous No.3993767]

>>3990527
Talent is the difference between 1st and 10th place at the Olympics.

However, if you're at the Olympics, you're better than billions of people.

Hard work beats talent literally every fucking time.

[Anonymous No.3993785]

>>3993764
you know what there is also plenty of? retards who being smartasses
fuck you and your post

[Anonymous No.3993794]

I might kill myself and my only regret is not being a great artist. I had a chance to become one but I chose another path. Now I'm more miserable then ever. And I don't think I can go back, it feels like that part of my soul is now dead.

I don't want a reply, I just want to vent reeeee

[Anonymous No.3993812]

>>3993785
no need to be upset by your bad station in life. you always have the option to reroll.

>>3993794
>I might kill myself
what's holding you back?
>regret is not being a great artist
why do you even want that?

[Anonymous No.3993821]

>>3993812
Nope I don't have that option because I choose to live miserably. Leave your Jordan Peterson shit on /adv/

[Anonymous No.3993825]

>>3993821
pretty easy to see why you're miserable, retard. you have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.3993827]

>>3993825
Glad you are seeing me through and through mr. there is a lot of smart people providing groundwork for geniuses.

[Anonymous No.3993837]

>>3993827
best of luck with your coping. it'll be easier if you don't make it public.

[Anonymous No.3993870]

I'm tired of trying and get followers and I wanna give up. I'm in a Discord server with other artists, the people I talk with encourage me and say that I'm gonna make it but I think they believe that what works for them works for me too. All of them draw NSFW anime and trend-hop a lot, I don't do NSFW and if I draw fanart it's because I really like it. There are too many freelance artists, what the hell am I doing with my life

[Anonymous No.3993899]

I've a year ahead of me to learn not to be shit and start gathering an online following. I hope I'll be able to make the best out of it.

[Anonymous No.3993942]

i can't fucking do this shit. i fucking know i need to post more i know i need to fucking draw more but i can't fucking bring myself to draw "just for the sake of it". i only fucking have passion in my comic and i can't even show that off yet and i fucking hate it. everything i've put out that i've done to try and make my portfolio bigger or to gain more of a following looks like such shit because i don't put any real passion in it and it fucks with me i'm not fucking satisfied with it, i can't keep doing that. no one gives a fuck about original shit but i hate drawing fanart so much jesus christ i fucking hate this

[Anonymous No.3993958]

i hate how fucking stiff my art is, my poses always look so sterile and bland and every time i try to experiment with better posing it still looks so fucking off and bland
yes i've been doing line of action

[Anonymous No.3994020]

>>3993837

[Anonymous No.3994023]

>>3990517
And here you are adding to the dumbness.

[Anonymous No.3994067]

Having art friends is garbage, everyone is fucking smug and always think they're hot shit.

[Anonymous No.3994084]

>>3991154
Did you think there was like 10 great artist in the entire fucking world before the millennia of 2000s hit? Fucking Millennials I want them all fucking killed, they are so fucking hopeless.

[Anonymous No.3994958]

>>3991083
What if lobe is non-functional?

[Anonymous No.3995059]

It's taking me days to draw A FUCKING SHOE.
It only takes me half a day to draw a fucking face but a fucking shoe !?

[Anonymous No.3995078]

>>3993451
The shrink I visited gave me a checklist test and confirms that I have ADHD, it's not empirical at all and I am fairly sure non-retards can bullshit through it if you really want the medication because the answers you are looking for are fairly obvious.

The real do-you-have-ADHD-or-not test IMO is taking your first pill, concerta comes in 4 dosages as far as I know and I felt like a fucking god and felt I can do literally anything for around 6 hours after taking 18mg . Nowadays I cycle around 36 to 54mg and take a day off once per week to counteract dependence.

>but I'm suspecting she's just lazy
I have been there so I will give her the benefit of the doubt, a lot of people used to call me lazy when I was a kid, but being lazy is IMO, a state of mind to cope for the fact that you literally can't do anything right in the world, so why should you bother to try at all?

If you have ADHD, ritalin will make you feel as if you have woken up from a bad, underwater dream all your life and will be surprised how much you can achieve without this fucking illness holding you back. I curse my parents everyday for discontinuing my ritalin back when I was a kid because of their baseless fear of medication yet they still continue to insult me for under-performing when they knew what was wrong with me all along.

If you know anyone who might have ADHD, take them to a shrink and try to hook them up with ritalin, those pills gave me more than my parents ever did in my life and it's unironically the best thing you will ever experience if you actually have ADHD

/blog and long rant, nobody should experience this because it affects both your performance in life and curbs the development of your self-esteem.

[Anonymous No.3995091]

>>3995078
>a lot of people used to call me lazy when I was a kid, but being lazy is IMO, a state of mind to cope for the fact that you literally can't do anything right in the world, so why should you bother to try at all?
Fuck I feel this. My productivity has been getting worse and I keep getting distracted from all all the social media and anything thet involves me not doing any work. I'm scared to diagnose myself to a doctor and scared to be dependent on medication.

[Anonymous No.3995096]

>>3991138
Talent is a cap on your potential and the rate at which you develop, NOT a headstart.

Someone without a brain suited to art (low iq, spacial understanding, ability to understand design) has a lower potential than someone that does and will take longer to achieve that low potential.

[Anonymous No.3995099]

continued from>>3995078
>>3993631
>>3995091
>I've gotten feedback from professors in college who said that I needed to concentrate more, so. There's that.

Based on personal experience only I don't think taking ritalin can really cure the issue of the lack of positive concentration. If anything it makes it much worse since I have had times where I concentrate so hard on procrastination that I jolt back and found out that I have wasted 6 hours down the drain doing nothing productive.

Personally, taking ritalin felt like drinking coffee for normalfags (which by the way, caffeine has almost zero affect on me no matter how large the does, my shrink told me this is a major symptom of ADHD), I can't function properly without my pills but taking the pills in itself doesn't change my character of me being prone to procrastinating.

tl;dr Ritalin kicks me into a condition that I can actually accomplish meaningful work (for 9 hours) but it isn't a magical thing that will instantly free you from other issues you are also suffering from.

I have been taking the pill for 3 years now and I don't think I am suffering from dependence yet after settling on my current dosage, my shrink told me that ritalin don't remains in the body and the effect will clear itself from my system if I stay clean away from it for 15 hours straight

>>3993735
I feel you very much because that's exactly how I feel on my offpill days, sometimes I don't even feel like doing anything that's enjoyable to me on my on-pill days. Refer to my above posts and I hope you can actually get ritalin and it also helps you out.

>>3992670
Sorry to hear that, ritalin is quite expensive from where I came from so you probably have to get the shady off-brand ones even if they were legal to possess in your country.

[Anonymous No.3995102]

itt: cope

[Anonymous No.3995126]

>>3990517

I had to swallow the art black pill and realize my art has no market value and no desirable qualities that a general audience would want.

No money to show for my hard work. No likes or faves to show for it. View count is abysmal. I’m less than obscure, I’m irrelevant. Why even bother?

[Anonymous No.3995168]

>>3995078
>I am fairly sure non-retards can bullshit through it if you really want the medication
i have to wonder why a lot of people mention this
why is it relevant at all? who cares about what non-adhd people are doing, you and other adhd folk are trying to get treated

[Anonymous No.3995224]

>so what are some of your hobbies?
>oh, i like to draw
>well, what do you draw?
>...

[Anonymous No.3995227]

>>3995224
it's 2019 bro, girls love porn

[Anonymous No.3995236]

>>3995168
>you and other adhd folk are trying to get treated

A lot of people mistook ritalin for pills that can somehow boost your academical performance so it's a very commonly abused medicine in universities, I have several friends in the top 3 unis in London and a lot of them did ritalin when it's nothing but an expensive placebo.

>>3995224
learn to draw some (handsome) men, your girls need a men to provide a dick and you need a way out when questions like this comes knocking.

[Anonymous No.3995275]

My sister seems really burned out on art and I have no idea how to help her.

She's really popular as a webtoon artist and on Instagram with her illustrations, but she seems to have stagnated.
She comes to me to vent sometimes, and has been getting into a lot of hobbies unusual to her (makeup, shopping, restaurants) which she admits is just getting away from her burn out.

She's stressed because she's graduated and hasn't got a job yet; she sells her stuff at some cons, dies commissions, makes some pocket money from Patreon, but it's not real income.
She's got >100k followers but no money to show from it.

My parents have been worried about her and pushing her to find a job and she keeps stressing the fuck out.
I have no idea what to do for her besides listen

[Anonymous No.3995331]

>>3991498
If this isn't a troll post, I think it pretty much explains everything you've been posting.

You're going through some hard stuff in your life and you want to find a reason to give up.

Maybe you should quit drawing at least until you're in a better place.

[Anonymous No.3995344]

>>3995275
I always wonder why my brother puts himself through the stress and boredom of his work at places like Microsoft and Facebook. I used to recommend him game development or something *I* found interesting, because I can't fathom what any software engineer finds interesting about these tech giants, unless it's something unlike the typical search engine and data management programming.
Now this was all before tech wages inflated into insanity. At first he made 90K out of college, now he's up to 350K, and now there absolutely no convincing someone out of a stressful environment and into developments he finds interesting when it pays extremely well.
So what does this have to do with your sister? I don't know, hope this helps bitch. Tell her to try new things, like impressionistic art, Magic: the Gathering backgrounds, porn of her favorite fantasy setting, etc. Don't cater to a useless following?

[Anonymous No.3995654]

>>3995224
Trick them, say Erotica and fan service

[Anonymous No.3995682]

why am i so afraid to paint

[Anonymous No.3995783]

>>3995275
from details known, get sister to get a part time job for stability/guaranteed income (ideally day shift but starting later in the day)
Tell parents, politely, their chimping out is making the the job she does have harder (mental state is important for art) and you're concerned too, and if they do have to talk do it one on one instead of the 'your mother and I are very concerned,' speech

[Anonymous No.3995797]

Sometimes all you need is a break and to better yourself outside of art. The time spent away can help you realize your shortcomings and make it easier to learn when jumping back into it. Obviously it helps to be drawing constantly, but if it becomes this black hole of no progress, you are just causing added stress. Figure your life out, and then drawing is easy.

If you still suck, then you gotta be retarded cause its just following steps in a process.

[Anonymous No.3995942]

>>3991154
silly anon there were always a ton of artists in the world. Of course things like instagram and tumblr have lowered the bar but I think the issue is just the scale the internet provides us. We know we may be the best artist among our friends but in the big pond of the internet we're just one of millions. Try to think about this positively! It means millions of people are out there looking for YOUR type of artwork. Even just .1% of that slice is HUGE bro. We can all make it!

[Anonymous No.3995995]

>>3995099
>If anything it makes it much worse since I have had times where I concentrate so hard on procrastination that I jolt back and found out that I have wasted 6 hours down the drain doing nothing productive.
That sounds like the worst-case scenario for me t b h. Still, if it would help me, maybe I should bring it up to my shrink the next time we meet. Can't hurt, right?

[Anonymous No.3996142]

Have you ever talked with a person that is so stupid that you think you're speaking on the same level of understanding then he says something that makes you realize he doesn't even remotely follow what you are saying? Pornfags really are empty inside, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.3996147]

>>3991154
>>3991211
>no need to eat or hold a job cause so many people have jobs and food already.
>no need to learn a language when so many know it already

[Anonymous No.3996149]

>>3991154
There is no point in learning how to draw but it's not because of talent. Being "the best" artist has always been subjective and technique isn't that important. There is no point learning how to draw because a market that is aimed directly at the public means you have to appeal to the lowest common denominator. When people like Miyazaki will be dead there will be nothing left.

[Anonymous No.3996302]

i got suspended from twitter, i am not sure if i am happy i no longer feel sucked into the followerwhoring mindset, but also feel like my chances at getting anywhere with an art career just got the difficult notched into lunatic mode.

[Anonymous No.3996305]

>>3996302
Why were you suspended

[Anonymous No.3996327]

>>3996305
drew an anime girl with a swastika armband

[Anonymous No.3996346]

>>3996327
Lol you're the guy who did the nessa artwork?

[Anonymous No.3996385]

>>3995096
None of this matters.
The only time I would see myself using this knowledge is when someone I envy is doing better than me in x subject
and I need to protect my ego

[Anonymous No.3996485]

>>3995995
>That sounds like the worst-case scenario

No offense meant but if I were in your shoes the worst case scenario would be finding out that I don't actually have ADHD at all and I have nobody but myself to blame for everything I have done.

Just take the first step and find out for yourself, the pro far outweight the con if the pills works for you.

[Anonymous No.3996689]

>>3996302
rip

[Anonymous No.3996781]

>Spend years grinding and getting your name out
>Beat by a trust fund baby who's parents could afford them the ability to some top tier art school

I'm so jealous of them! They motivate me to work harder, but I still wanna be born rich in the next life.

[Anonymous No.3996868]

ooooh my god I ran out of ink again oohhh myy goddddd

[Anonymous No.3996874]

>>3996868
I started using some random pens in my house for quick sketches and one of them ran out in 3 days. I have no recollection of suing that pen earlier either. Wtf

[Anonymous No.3996897]

>>3996346
Which nessa artwork?

[Anonymous No.3996909]

>>3996781
>>Spend years grinding and getting your name out
>>Beat by a trust fund baby who's parents could afford them the ability to some top tier art school

Fucking this, I worked ten god damn years to get where I'm at and trust fund kids are the only ones that get to afford a good art college right outta High School without any worry of debt? I know being rich doesn't make you happy, but fuck the college system of America for making it so god damn hard to get into one and afford the cost of living at the same time without racking up 30k+ in debt that won't be paid off until you're 55.

[Anonymous No.3996924]

>>3991224
Reading is like the musical equivalent of sight size. Try composing a fugue. At the highest levels, I think the "difficulty" of any creative pursuit is infinite.

[Anonymous No.3997111]

>stay up late drawing because I won't be able to finish tomorrow
>finish drawing, it's really late
>realize I have to go to work tomorrow, tired and feeling like shit
>boss will probably chew me out for being unproductive again
>will probably fall asleep the moment I come home and won't be able to draw that day
>dread and anxiety washes over me
>get angry, kick my chair
>get sad
>start crying
>fall asleep crying into my pillow

I fucking hate wagecucking. I just want to draw.

[Anonymous No.3997129]

Everyone always says to just draw right? So I do and I start and it looks like shit. I try to draw a person but I don't know how to draw eyes or ears or a proper head or a body or back muscles or arms or legs or anything. I can't find a book that just teaches you how to draw people.

[Anonymous No.3997158]

>>3997129
Look up "Design and Invention" in the artbook thread.

[Anonymous No.3997177]

>>3990539
>wanting to make a manga

Jsut make a plain comic dumbass. I get it coloring is hard but am legit suck of people wanting to aspire to make manga...

>says the bitch who wants to make a norse inspired shonen comic

[Anonymous No.3997244]

>>3996897
The one with the swastika armband

[Anonymous No.3997261]

Vent threads are where /ic/ crabs eliminates competition

[Anonymous No.3997274]

>>3996897
?

[Anonymous No.3997286]

>>3996327
>>3997274
Based but you deserved it pilled, you went way too far on that and not expecting some sort of repercussions from that is just unreal.

[Anonymous No.3997298]

>>3997274
that's fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.3997304]

why do so many anime drawing faggots on twitter like to pretend being japanese by putting some chink moonrunes as their names and hacing random pieces of kanji in their artwork for no fucking reason besides them being cocksucking weebs somehow ashamed of being able to draw anime while being mutts or some shit

[Anonymous No.3997318]

>>3997274
He should've seen this coming. People on twitter report a lot. Even anti-lolifags get suspended for having the word pedo on their posts

[Anonymous No.3997332]

>>3997318
>Even anti-lolifags get suspended for having the word pedo on their posts

History teaches us that anyone who is anti-loli is a real pedo, the real deal. Good people don't have a need for virtue signaling.

[Anonymous No.3997337]

>>3997304
Americans really do piss me off about this. To worship a country for only their porn content is despicable.

[Anonymous No.3997345]

Why are there so many faggots on this board asking if their art is good enough when they know it's not? It's not like these people read the fucking sticky or actually do anything with the advice that's given to them. That shit contributes absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.3997425]

>>3997286
im not really mad about the suspension, but twitter allowing the monkey nessa to go irks me a bit.

[Anonymous No.3997458]

I stopped drawing because I believe that I'll never be as good as those I look up to.
I'm not original.
I can't draw without feeling aggravated and resentful.
I just don't see a point in any of it anymore.
I don't know why I still come to this shitty fucking board other than to /vent/ every other week.
I need help.

[Anonymous No.3997468]

>>3997458
What is "good?" technical skill is just a tool. Why do you think you are not original? If you think your art lacks soul you need to do some introspection but I can't help you with that. I only know that when I felt like this, it was because my standards weren't high enough and I wasn't looking at the right things. I suggest you branch out and explore new things, if you only watch anime maybe watch some old movies instead. Read good books. When you draw what you really want to draw you completely forget about skill envy.

[Anonymous No.3997494]

>>3997425
It's not that I can't relate to it but it's a really dumb move on your part.

You can't go sperging out on shit like this that happens once every month, next time something like that happens just give a brief tweet stating your stance on the matter and leave it at that, retarded shit drama like that is not worth destroying your platform.

[Anonymous No.3997495]

>>3997425
Try to appeal. Afaik, the monkey one got suspended too but it got back up again

[Anonymous No.3997500]

>>3997495
Already did, they denied it twice, copypasted the same rule they banned me for instead of explained it too; I went through the rule in detail and nothing about the image breaks the promoting hatred rule.

It's pretty abundantly clear they just listen to the mob at this point, and all the bullshit about reading into context and believing in freedom of ideas or expression is absolute bullshit.

[Anonymous No.3997506]

>>3997495
>>3997500
Just open a new account and lay low for a bit, japs does this all the time and many of them have been suspended for 5+ times.

>and all the bullshit about reading into context and believing in freedom of ideas or expression is absolute bullshit

If people actually does this then the entire drama wouldn't have been a thing in the first place, come on dude.

[Anonymous No.3997513]

>>3997506
i generated 1,000,000 impressions for them, they arent ever going to benefit from me on their platform again

[Anonymous No.3997612]

Seeing people in videos working in big corporation offices and finding they're my age, 25, is shocking. I feel like I'm 17 still, I'm stuck. My youth is gone, all the things I wanted to do as a kid, have a young relationship, make friends, memories, party, all those opportunities are gone and I am now an adult.

I've been hiding in my room for the last 12 years, it's felt like prison. I sit in this room, browse the internet & draw all day. Drawing as a career doesn't interest me, I wish it did, I just draw to pass the time. If there's anything on this earth that interests me it's having a girlfriend, friends, but the problem is I don't do well in social situations, and I have no money. I have to get a job, I don't want to waste my days away at a minimum wage job, and I have anxiety about driving, I have to do a lot of things and I feel like it won't matter in the end because what I want requires a good job or popularity, plus a good personality or looks. I feel like I'm playing a losing game, I've already ruined my teenage years and half of my 20s, I'm just getting older, why participate? The only solution is that I find a career that interests me, and I don't know how I'm going to do that, I didn't know when I was 17.

[Anonymous No.3997637]

>>3997513
I don't mean to burst your bubble but they don't really care that much, as long as you are not also posting inflammatory shit on your next account they won't really care unless a SJW brigade reports the hell out of your new account.

I don't think it's healthy for gathering popularity if you keep indulging in internet dramas, but if the whole thing doesn't provide you with mental stress than do whatever you want that you find fun.

[Anonymous No.3997757]

Only I can do what's best for me.

[Anonymous No.3997818]

>>3997458
>mfw trying to catch unrealistic dreams
It's all or nothing for me too. I just can't get myself to be content with decent yet unremarkable drawings. When i realized i will never draw like the Artists i have admired, i stopped drawing and became bitter. Now i just daydream about my broken ambitions.
The absolute state of me.

[Anonymous No.3997823]

>>3997612
Why do you need a girlfriend and friends? Just try to get a job.

[Anonymous No.3997833]

>>3997612
Shit happens, I'm in a similar boat. Eventually you just have to pick a career and go with it. I'm actually in my late 20s going back to school for a 2 year rad tech degree.

[Anonymous No.3997850]

>>3997612
With a mindset like that you will never succeed, and I don't mean this in a "just be urself" way, life is already bringing you down hard enough, you don't need to join in to help keep yourself down.

[Anonymous No.3997857]

I've been pursuing art for a few years now, I still haven't been able to make much money off of it, but I'm already 22 and live with my parents. My brother who is 2 years younger is already getting jobs and saving money. My cousin is going to college.
I hate leeching off my parents like this, I will have to start waging just so I can start giving them money and stop feeling like shit about it.

>>3997612
I feel you man, been hiding in my room for 8 years or something like that, don't know what to tell you other than you are not alone in that situation. Just don't give up anon, plenty of life ahead of us.

[Anonymous No.3997972]

>>3996300
>>3997507
>>3990073
Why the fuck are there 3 separate threads that all basically ask why you need Loomis to draw anime.

[Anonymous No.3998024]

>>3997972
It's one shitposter that keeps spamming the board

[Anonymous No.3998057]

>>3997857
I feel you, man.
This year, I just let time slip by last year without doing jackshit, I can't stomach school at all. I got forced into some design school I had no interest in so I lied about my grades to my parents too just so they wouldn't be disappointed. Got 30/60 credits basically, it's shit. Never intended to work in the first place... But it's just too comfortable a position to be in. Just perfect to be stagnant and doing fuckall.
It's dishonest, I'm just making a bunch of excuses. I should just fuck off and go live by myself, wageslave a bit and develop my art on the side. But I can't bring myself to do anything.

[Anonymous No.3998071]

>Draw loli and thicc women with fat titties because I like both
>Really popular artist retweets my latest thicc doodle
>Get followed by 8 people who without a thought Followed me but instantly unfollow me because of the loli stuff I also draw

[Anonymous No.3998074]

>>3998071
just draw milf x shota stuff anon; they'll come around

[Anonymous No.3998100]

>>3991113
The best and fastest way to get good at music is to literally put yourself in situations where you are playing with other people.Trust me, I played in a band for a while and I learned how to understand music without much theory knowledge besides what I thought and applied. When you understand music better you can literally go on stage abd improvise a jam with others. Just try playing with others more

[Anonymous No.3998150]

>>3998074
draw milf x loli stuff

[Anonymous No.3998178]

>>3991129
Leonard Cohen, James Murphy, theres lists dedicated to musicians who started later in life

[Anonymous No.3998192]

>>3990517
I've been tracking my time spent drawing for a few weeks now and it seems like I only clock in 6/7 actual hours of actual drawing. I hoped I did at least 8.
What the fuck do the Japanese even do with their lives, holy shit. Do they not go to the bathroom? I have lunch, dinner, take a 5/10 minutes break every hour (that I don't count in the total), but there are always things that come up, I have to go buy food, I have to take care of things in the house, wash stuff, do the dishes. Now I realize why these people's houses look like shit, they don't bother doing any of that.
I wanna try to squeeze 1-2 more hours from the morning where I admittedly fuck around a bit but I don't think it's possible for me to do more than that.

[Anonymous No.3998200]

>>3998192
>his only cope is that "they only have time to draw because they ignored everything else!!!"

better not let you see the artists who owns 5+ pets around the house, maintains her house in a tidy condition, puts out work almost every day while being a jap wageslave.

[Anonymous No.3998211]

>>3998200
But how is it possiburu?! It's not like they have more time, it's still 24 hours in Japan
Do they just not sleep?

[Anonymous No.3998292]

>>3997158
I downloaded it and tried using it but I don't understand anything. I read the words but nothing makes any sense. Am I supposed to copy the drawings?

[Anonymous No.3998422]

>>3998292
>I don't understand anything. I read the words but nothing makes any sense.

Download the english version, silly.

[Anonymous No.3998458]

I have my last class tomorrow and I'm fucking scared. I'm gonna graduate with a degree I got because I was scared I wouldn't be able to make it and now I fucking hate myself for my career choices. My 30ies are approaching fast and it sucks.
My life choices are garbage and I don't know what to do. I don't want to do a low-paying office job. It makes me want to fucking kill myself, but I know I don't really want to die

[Anonymous No.3998933]

>>3998211
What are you doing with your time? Maintaining a clean home isn't very time consuming, nor is buying groceries or using the bathroom. You're wasting a lot of time doing nothing.

[Anonymous No.3999018]

>>3998933
I think it's because I have sleep issues, I can't start my schedule too early since I'm always trying to recoup some sleep I couldn't get during the night. But that would be 2 extra hours at most, I don't see where I could find time elsewhere without becoming a robot.

[Anonymous No.3999183]

>>3998211
>>3998192
Japanese people are very autistic about their hobbies, it's not just drawing. For every hobby there are many people who just spend 6-10+ hours on it every day. For example, it's very common for Japanese bookworms to read and finish multiple full length books per day because they spend their entire free time on it.

[Anonymous No.3999251]

God damn it, the crabs here tricked me into thinking that photos are as good as live reference.
Trying to study anatomy from 3D models and I can't grasp the 3D form unless I keep rotating the model. The moment I stop rotating, my brain stops seeing it as a 3D form, but as a collection of 2D shapes.

I didn't have this problem back when I took art classes and we had gypsum statues in the studio.

[Anonymous No.3999279]

>>3999251
>a flat translation of reality
> limited exposure (value range)
>shift in colors
>shift in perspective
"oh my, photos aren't as good as reality itself! who would have thought??"
it's your fault for falling for it.

[Anonymous No.3999330]

>have a client that fucks you up financially at every other commission
>hate myself every time they make me wait for payment for 2-3 months and don't pay me my full rate
>eventually try to cut ties with them by abandoning a big important project mid-way
>end everything proffessionally and on friendly terms
>be 5 days later
>they call again
>"hey are you available for a commission?"
>"no! i'm unavailable for two weeks at least!"
>"i see. that's cool cause we have another project on the 19th. are you in?"
>heavy breathing "n-n-n-okay im in"
FFFFFUUUUUUCKKKK

[Anonymous No.3999332]

I've been trying to hit plat in LoL but I really want to make money from art and quit my job working 8 hours on the 4th of july with 4 callouts before I even clock in makes me want to quit and walk home

[Anonymous No.3999465]

>afraid to JUST DRAW
>afraid to randomly doodle outside of book studying
just kill me

[Anonymous No.3999504]

>haven't draw in 3 days
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.3999511]

>>3999332
Drop LoL bro, I know it looks very appealing but it's not worth it for the time you're forced to invest into it.

[Anonymous No.3999569]

>profile info says I don't take requests
>"no requests" in the nickname
>never done a single request
>1 new message
>dO yOu TakE ReQuesTs??
FUCK OFFFFFFFFFF

[Anonymous No.3999577]

>>3997274
lol what a dumbass

[Anonymous No.3999624]

>>3998071
lmao sameish, I drew a gay thing once and got like 10 followers and then I proceeded to not draw anything gay for a while but theyre still here

[Anonymous No.3999625]

>>3997274
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.3999676]

Calarts costs as much as Harvard. Jesus christ, is this the only way into the industry?

[Anonymous No.3999707]

You guys ever have days when you just forget how to draw?

[Anonymous No.3999723]

How many hours are artists drawing ive always heard 4-8 is good but fucking 13-14? Am I nuts for thinking this is insane?? This would burn the hell out of people.

[Anonymous No.3999731]

>>3999723
Yeah sometimes when you've got lots of work you gotta pull those all nighters. As a freelancer I definitely draw more then ever in life, because I get anxious about wasting time whenever I'm not drawing

[Anonymous No.3999747]

>>3999707
get used to it cuz it never stops happening, it makes you question your own mental health sometimes.

[Anonymous No.3999772]

>>3997468
>When you draw what you really want to draw you completely forget about skill envy
what about artists who draw the subject matter you want to draw but with infinitely more skill?

[Anonymous No.4000064]

>tfw been attempting to learn to draw for fucking years
>the only thing that clicks with me is how to edit/modify shit that already exists
>tfw basic construction to me is essentially pic related
>have no idea how this shit is supposed to click with me the same way editing does
>tfw always get frustrated and end up quitting after like 30m-1hr of trying and failing to apply construction

[Anonymous No.4000119]

>aspire to make a fantasy adventure comic one day as a passion project
>don't want to start until I'm ready because i know how many solo comic artists just burn out before their project is finished and I don't want that to be me
>suddenly one of the webcomics that inspired me the most gets quasi-cancelled after eight years
>lose all faith in comics as a viable solo project
>no idea what to do with my ideas

[Anonymous No.4000150]

>porn artist
>drew lots and made people happy
>visit parents
>"what are you up to lately"
>just saw i draw
>"oh"

all those hours making smut feel wasted where is the restart button

[Anonymous No.4000200]

>>4000150
Finally you see the light. Porn will never be art.

[Anonymous No.4000204]

>>3990517
I got to /ic/ (art and CRITIQUE board) for CRITIQUES on my ART and each and every fucking time (about twice a month) I come here to post my ART I GET FUCKING IGNORED even when I BEG FOR CRITIQUES
NOTHING
NO RESPONSES
NILCH

you know what I got after posting my art along with "please give me a critique, any critique, please"?
A FUCKING QUESTION
NOT A CRITIQUE
A QUESTION
I FUCKING HATE THIS PLACE AND I DON"T KNOW WHERE TO GO FOR CRITIQUES ANYMORE REEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.4000208]

>>3990523
>he can't make what's on his mind
>he still has a mind that can come up with interesting things
embarrassed but jealous

[Anonymous No.4000251]

>>4000200
Shut up dumb retard
>>4000150
Do you think "your" children will be nervous to tell you what they draw in an age where all boomers and zoomers live on porn? Think wisely here.

Your parents are outdated. You don't have to answer to them. It doesn't matter what they think.

[Anonymous No.4000306]

>>4000204
Fuck off then

[Anonymous No.4000311]

>>4000306
I can't
I've been here too long
I don't know where to fuck off to

[Anonymous No.4000334]

>>4000150
>porn artist
>drew lots and made people happy
You didn't make anyone happy, you just fed their addiction like a pusher selling crack.

[Anonymous No.4000335]

>>4000334

When will tradcons go and stay go

[Anonymous No.4000338]

>>3999772
>what about artists who draw the subject matter you want to draw but with infinitely more skill?
You probably haven't found your voice if someone else says exactly what you say.

[Anonymous No.4000339]

>>3999332
If you play videogames you will unironically never make it.

[Anonymous No.4000344]

I still suck shit after a year and everyone either lies to me or basically gives me kys advice so I'm about ready to pack it up except I really want to tell this story and I don't give a shit about the shitty art past the fact that nobody will engage with it now because Im still hella bad.

[Anonymous No.4000560]

>>4000344
>Giving up because you didn't become the new Murata in one year

[Anonymous No.4000567]

>>4000339
not true. you just need to be able to turn it off when you need to work. You still need to relax or you'll burn out.

[Anonymous No.4000577]

>>4000567
you can give yourself something like 1 hour a day. that's not nearly enough to play a game like LoL. Yes you need to unwind but you better do it with something that isn't literally a waste of time and in any case you should consume things with an analytical eye, I don't think there's a place for mindless entertainment

[Anonymous No.4000583]

>>4000344
I sucked shit after a year of daily practice too, anon.
It's hard not to let it get to you, but keep at it, you'll figure it out eventually. And don't mind the crabs, really.

[Anonymous No.4000586]

ARMS ARE COMPLICATED AS SHIT

[Anonymous No.4000591]

>>4000339
That’s really stupid

[Anonymous No.4000638]

>>4000560

Did I say I wasn't going to do it anyway? Fuck good art I'll just ride or die on my shit.

[None !USyrBjAMxU No.4000707]

im just not any fucking good

[Anonymous No.4000891]

>>3999723
I did 12 hours yesterday but mostly because I like money not for love of drawing.

[Anonymous No.4000895]

I have a personal interest in human anatomy and drawing the human figure, so I've been spending a lot of time trying to memorize all of the muscles and shit.

But sometimes I think that maybe if I got rid of this autistic obsession of mine and just heavily used references, or even based my works on existing photos, I'd already be making money on commissions.

[Anonymous No.4000920]

>>4000895
You're not wasting your time. You're doing what you're supposed to do. More practice is always better, and knowledge of anatomy allows you to interpret references better.

[Anonymous No.4000929]

Loneliness is killing me and no matter how hard I try, I always end up in tears seeing that even drawing is slowly letting me down.

[Anonymous No.4000958]

>>4000920
Thanks for the reassurance.
My mental illness spiraled out of control a few years back, I dropped out of an art academy and winded up in a mental hospital, now I'm picking up art again, and it feels like I'm starting from zero, but now with the constant anxiety that I am falling behind.
The temptation to cheat is too strong.

[Anonymous No.4001110]

>>4000338
artistic "voice" is a crock of shit and there's nothing inherently positive about being unique- an artist can be one of a kind and still completely terrible

[Anonymous No.4001189]

>>3993942
Get passionate about titties and draw them. Just draw two circles.

[Anonymous No.4001227]

Bittersweet feeling, seeing an artist with a large following venting constantly and getting support

[Anonymous No.4001256]

I had a bit of a hiatus when it comes to art. Now I’m just trying to get back into the swing of things but I’m having a lot of trouble. I get really anxious that any drawing I make will turn out awful, it even prevents me from drawing my sketchbook. But at times, I get this urge to draw and I feel pumped but I don’t sit down and try it. I also wanted to pick up sculpting and coding but I have no idea how to practice either of them. Sculpting is especially confusing for me because I don’t know how to practice. But I want to make something, I’ve always wanted to create something. I have so much I want to learn and do but I’m too scared that I make will be a horrific abomination. What’s worse is I have all the time to start drawing and work on sculpting but I’d rather be bored on my damn phone instead of trying to learn something.

[Anonymous No.4001443]

all fanart should be required by law to contain credit to the IP just so i dont have to waste time figuring out who the character is supposed to be

[Anonymous No.4001452]

>>3999332
>plat
wew
nigga just drop that game, I was master s5 s6 and d1 s7 and It brought me nothing, only wasted time and a lot of frustration, fuck solo q.
web related to check how much time you've wasted on this braindead game
https://wol.gg/

[Anonymous No.4001458]

>>4000200
based

[Anonymous No.4001461]

>>4000577
Games are mindless entertainment to you?
Well I guess since you brought up LoL you don't have much references
fyi many top tier artist play games

[Anonymous No.4001474]

>>4000577
>I dont think theres a place for mindless entertainment

Confirmed for not having a job

[Anonymous No.4001477]

>>3990517
>he doesnt know that /vent/ threads are a retarded summerfag thing that was started 2 years ago

good riddance you cancerous fucking zoomer newfaggot

[Anonymous No.4001580]

>>4000958
You're an adult. Do what you wanna do. Even if people whine about you "using references" what's the worst that will happen? Are they paying you? Are there your parents?

[Anonymous No.4001690]

>>4001477
> talks like everyone ever on this website, no personality, no soul, would rather just be a "4channer" and fit in

[Anonymous No.4001721]

>>4001690
Was this written by a 16 year old

[Anonymous No.4001800]

>>3991335
Looks like John Cena in that pic

[Anonymous No.4001802]

>>3997177
My brother.

t. wants to make a Celtic-inspired seinen comic

[Anonymous No.4002019]

A lot of the frequent commissioners in my community follow me and interact with my posts, but all but one just ignored me opening commissions. I see you commissioning others, so what's wrong with my art? You clearly like it enough to follow and always like and comment, so why?? They even all gave suggestions when I said I would take some requests. I'm not asking for you to give me your money, but I just want to know what I'm doing wrong.

[Anonymous No.4002210]

>>4000119
Webcomics are often like that, anon. Sorry about Cucumber Quest.

Maybe you could make comics differently, write out the whole thing and work on it in chunks, prevent that kind of burnout? Page by page webcomics tend to be difficult for people to manage.

[Anonymous No.4002444]

>>4002210
it's still more work than anyone can handle, no matter how you divide it. The only thing I can think to do is present the story in a format that requires substantially less work, but I don't know what that looks like. Just writing a novel would be easier than drawing a comic, but written work gets absolutely no traction online

[Anonymous No.4002689]

>>3990600

screaming at someone to KEEP GOING RETARD is sure going to make them do exactly just that

have sex

[Anonymous No.4002696]

>>3995078
do you know if armodafanil works or if you can even get it from the Indian pharma grey market anymore in the US?

[Anonymous No.4002713]

>>4000119
You should try making a bunch of mini comics ( one-shots, stories that last for one year, zines, spin-off's) and see if you like it. Most comic burn out comes from somebody who jumped into comic making to fast, over-promised/over-soled/overvalued their skill, and/or didn't realize they hated comic making until they where knee deep into it.
If you think comics are still to much work tapas is a webcomic site that allows novels. If you post your novel and it gets big enough tapas might fund a webcomic version.

[Anonymous No.4002715]

>>3990517
I'm jealous of artubers who can afford to have 'art supply hauls' every Tuesday

[Anonymous No.4002807]

>>3990539
We're a generation that, despite not being Japanese, has grown with manga and anime. It's natural a bunch of western 'manga' is going to pop up sooner or later. Don't give up, faggot. Somebody's gotta do it, why not you?

[Anonymous No.4002833]

>>4002444
People do graphic novels all the time. Takes years, but 200-300+ page comics are made, treat it like you would treat that and maybe it would be easier than the typical webcomic update schedule.

Or start smaller, with minicomics and short story comics, sub-50 page stories. I believe in you, anon. Comics will break your heart , but God if they’re not rewarding at times

[Anonymous No.4002856]

>>4002807
The idea that there could possibly be a wave of western manga rising up is what keeps me going because I want to be part of that new wave

[Anonymous No.4002860]

>>4002856
It's bound to happen. A bunch of gaijin can draw anime already, perhaps not completely the same (although there are a couple that certainly can), but they can. It only takes someone with the right story and the right work ethic to get it going. In my eyes, that's probably what's keeping the west from reaching mangaka levels, those fags are diciplined in ways westerners usually aren't, even if their skills are somewhat even.

[Anonymous No.4002861]

>>3991138
>>Why the hell does art school exist?
>>If famous renaissance artists were naturally gifted, why did they apprentice under another artist?
>>Why do artists recommend art books to study?
>>Why do artists even do studies?
>>Why does critique exist?
it's all for other similarly talented people

[Anonymous No.4002864]

>>3991138
The trick of talent is understanding that you yourself have it. If you don't believe that you can be one of the greats, you'll be stuck as a mediocre hobbist or a NGMI anti-gains goblin. Even if you don't make it, at least you tried, that'll give you peace before death, unlike all the depressed fucks posting in /ic/

[Anonymous No.4002975]

>>4002713
I've been doing 4-page comic shorts for a while to get the basics down. i already do commission work for a living so i don't have the energy to do much more than that per month, but there's not a lot you can accomplish story-wise in four pages either. I want to move up to something larger to expand my writing possibilities, but I'm afraid that I'll end up never finishing it if I do

>>4002833
I think the sheer size of the workload is more of an issue than the way you schedule it. people making graphic novels definitely keep on a similar schedule to webcomic artists, it's just that they wait until the book is done and then publish it all at once

[Anonymous No.4003048]

>been drawing for hours and want to take a break
>at the same time dont want to stop drawing to play video games because that time could be spent working and ill feel like i wasted time
I both love and hate the feeling. Im being super productive but I dont feel like this is a healthy mindset.

[Anonymous No.4003077]

I think this boards eats creativity. sometimes I’ll come here when I’m in the mood to draw out of curiosity, wondering what anons are working on and see if anything inspires me. then I just see a bunch of bullshit and get assmad and distracted and wind up not doing much of anything.

[Anonymous No.4003519]

Ah.. I'm just sad. I am by myself but I'm not alone. I have to live my own life and let the people who I thought cared go.

[Anonymous No.4003780]

>>3991371
All of 4chan is, anon.

[Anonymous No.4004131]

>>3999723
>if I have commissions or projects
>it can go up to
>with breaks of course

Learn to read, that's like 8-9 hours of actual art, and only on days when they're busy.

[Anonymous No.4004397]

>>4001461
>fyi many top tier artist play games
I made fanart of this game I totally played it omg it's so good!!!!! :3
Pls like and retweet

[Anonymous No.4004403]

>>3999723
They used so many "but"s and "if"s in that sentence they probably draw half that much

[Anonymous No.4004501]

>post art on pixiv
>20-30 likes per drawing
>post art on twitter
>0 likes
people saying porn is the easy way are lying, i get more retweets,likes on my other twitter with sfw cute shit

[Anonymous No.4004612]

>>4003048
Hey, tell me if this post sounds familiar:

>>/ic/thread/S3994790
>>3994790
>But what do you do during your break time?
Genuinely and unironically, huh?

>If i start to play video games i end up playing video games and then its hard to return back to drawing.
It sounds like you should stop doing that


>>4003077
I already said this upthread but I don't think /ic/ saps creativity, I think everyone here is self conscious. No one's willing to express interest in anything besides the old masters or anime.

[Anonymous No.4005006]

>Arttuber reviews an art supply
>'hey guys so this is what happened in my life today'
>'OK so this is how I'm going to sort my pens'
>'I have no idea how to use this product so I'll blame all my mistakes on the product'
>Doesn't list if the items water proof, doesn't list paper lb, doesn't state any technical specs beyond what they got in the sponsorship email.
>Live reaction that goes on way to long
>No script just addlibbing.
>ha ha ah relatable edting.
JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND JUST REVIEW THE PRODUCT. iF YOU HAD THE BALLS TO EDIT THIS SHIT YOU'RE REVIEWS WOULD BE 5 MINUTES LONG NOT 15 .
Fuck. Also
SPENDING ALL YOUR TIME WATCHING '10 BEGINNER MISTAKES' VIDEOS WONT IMPROVE YOUR ART. AND GETTING DEFENSIVE OVER THE FACT YOU APEAR AS A MISTAKE WILL MAKE IT WORSE.