Fake art advices

[Anonymous No.3987653]

>never ever use grey/black for shading.

[Anonymous No.3987660]

>>3987653
>Draw with your shoulder

[Anonymous No.3987661]

>>3987653
>learn anatomy

[Anonymous No.3987664]

>>3987653
>draw

[Anonymous No.3987684]

>>3987653
>use references

[Anonymous No.3987689]

>Draw from life

[Anonymous No.3987696]

>make it

[Anonymous No.3987708]

>Learn perspective and depth
>Most important skills when drawing butts and boobs

[Anonymous No.3987754]

>>3987653
>old advice for painting/drawing that isn't relevant to the digital drawing anime weeb
/thread

[Anonymous No.3987757]

>become really skilled at what you do and opportunity / success will magically fall upon you with no effort on your part

[Anonymous No.3987769]

>>3987660
This is the most retarded one yet.

[Anonymous No.3987770]

>Loomis is a meme
>You don't need to learn how to draw with Pen and Paper, go directly for A graphics tablet and learn digital art.
>limited pallette is for old painters because they can't afford colors. Use all your colors
>drawabox bro
>you have to master this before practising that

[Anonymous No.3987771]

>just draw

lmao "just draw"ing is almost as bad as just playing video-games.

[Anonymous No.3987777]

>don't focus on style, let your art style come to you naturally
>>3987754
>>3987757
>>3987771
Retards over here posting actual good advice

[Anonymous No.3987779]

>>3987777
Hey, don't lump me with them. They're advice is good but if you honestly don't draw with a goal of portraying something, it will be a waste of time in the long run

sick fucking quads tho, senpai. I can't argue with that

[Anonymous No.3987780]

>>3987653
>If all else fails, give them pointy chins.
>If that doesn't work, make them really wide?

[Anonymous No.3987793]

>>3987779
This double negative shit's messing with my head. Yeah you're right.

[Anonymous No.3987869]

>>3987771
People that post that are trolls and should be immediately dismissed.

Telling someone to "just draw" is the equivalent of telling a depressed person to "just be happy"

[Anonymous No.3987881]

>>3987684
>Never use reference, don't work with live models either, everything must come from imagination: just like the universe came from nothing. You are creating a universe!

[Anonymous No.3988035]

>>3987869
Be happy is correct advice. Those stupid depressed fucks cant be helped if they dont fucking start trying to be happy.

[Anonymous No.3988049]

>>3988035
its hard to try to be happy when youve been conditioned to believe that trying to do so is immoral

[Anonymous No.3988050]

>>3988049 +
or you dont deserve

[Anonymous No.3988051]

>>3987780
This advice seems to work pretty well for this guy though

[Anonymous No.3988052]

>>3987869
No they aren't
Most of the time when people feel stuck here it's because they don't know what the fuck they may be doing wrong as they complete random studies of whatever the loomis book tells them. Completing a finished piece will allow anyone to put into practice what they studied so far and understand where and how they're lacking, as well as what to do next.
But don't take my word for it bro, surely if one keeps drawing hundreds of boxes and loomis heads they'll improve in no time.

[Anonymous No.3988059]

>Just draw
>Strong confident lines, no chicken scratching
>LOOMIS
>Construction over flow

[Anonymous No.3988067]

>>3988059
Right? The correct advice would be
>don't draw
>do virgin chicken scratches
>follow tutorials on youtube and DA
>construction is a meme

[Anonymous No.3988098]

"Just draw" is the only legitimate advice anyone can give
if you just draw for a year and don't improve, end it
if you do, then you're doing it right because you have a functional brain and can infinitely improve

[Anonymous No.3988144]

>>3988051
this guy is a visionary

[Anonymous No.3988145]

>>3988051
it's good, but the heads are a little too big

[Anonymous No.3988172]

>>3988052
Way to completely miss the point you fucking halfwit.

There's a difference between telling someone to "just draw" and "just draw but follow this structured approach to improvemen whilst analyzing errors that you need to work on".

If someone has no idea what they are doing, then maybe you should attempt to clarify exactly what they're doing wrong before you give "advice".

[Anonymous No.3988173]

>>3988172
Should I precise "just draw and turn your brain on" then? Anyone would come to the same conclusion after finishing a drawing.

[Anonymous No.3988384]

>>3988173
Yes. No rules, no tools, just brain.

[Anonymous No.3988391]

>>3988051
i love this guy

[Anonymous No.3988423]

>>3987869
No it isn't, at all. "Just be happy" has a lot of implication to lifestyle to affect the chemicals in your brain you may or may not fully understand or even be aware of. Habit changes, risks taken, etc.
"Just draw" is literally take a fucking pencil, stylus, god damn stick in the sand and start making motions. If you aren't utterly retarded (though by the false equivalence you gave you probably are) you'll naturally start to think about what you're doing, get curious about how to do a specific thing, and go off of that.
"Just draw" is the means that leads to an end
"Just be happy" is the end that happens BY means.

You do know what means are and what ends are, right anon?

[Anonymous No.3988430]

>just have fun! thats what drawing is for.

[Anonymous No.3988437]

>you need to breathe

[Anonymous No.3988472]

>>3987777
>style
serious question, this gets brought up a lot but I'm never in those threads- unless you want to draw porn on the sly or its too cute for a serious project why do you care?
Also lucky quads

[Anonymous No.3988494]

>>3988423
>>3988173
first off, not him, but the anon that posted "just draw" as bad advice

You say that intentional art is the inherent conclusion of any artist after finishing a drawing, yet, the fact that so many people are stuck in rut or "stylelocked" speaks that it's not so. Oddly enough, being alert of your goals, limits, what you are trying to portray isn't inherent. You have to seek and make decisions on such things. Sitting there, "just drawing" limits you to only drawing things that you're mind as internally processed. This isn't an issue if you are a veteran artist with a large visual and automatic artistic library. A beginner doesn't have these things

that's why "just draw" is potentially toxic and has many more factors to it than you stated. The mind may explore new ideas and possibilities, but those are not a factor of "just drawing", that's decided learning

the just draw that you are speaking of is more like telling a depressed person to meditate. Just be still and let your emotions exist. Because when you do this, you allow yourself to and explore possibilities in how to find happiness. This natural exploration is the manifestation of the natural curiosity you spoke about in the just drawing manner.

A final caveat; This is oversimplified of course. "just meditating" won't make you better and beat your depression, there is so much more to that. Almost the same way that "just drawing"won't immediately improve your work. There is so much more to that as well

[Anonymous No.3988512]

>>3987653
>learn theory from this thread
>>3988437
>this
>>3987771
disagree, but it is comparable to how ppl think, that improvement comes from wasting as much time as you can playing the game.

[Anonymous No.3989516]

>>3987770
I left the Peter Han or whatever discord because they established a
>Loomis
Sort of shitpost environment where they treated mention of Loomis like a meme.
Hundreds of beginners and young starting artists frequented the discord and because of that they will probably be a new generation of shitters

[Anonymous No.3989526]

>>3989516
Huh, what discord? They might just be joking around

[kangAROO !!TYgCK6KE4VT No.3989543]

>>3988494
"Just draw" means to download some pictures from the internet, and start drawing them. If you just do this, while paying ATTENTION instead of thinking shit like "oh I'm so bad, oh I must do x amount, oh, etc etc" and think stuff like "how do I draw this, what's happening, what am I seeing, what form is this, what's the best approach I can take to make this appealing, what is my goal here, etc" basically, just using your brain, then you will improve 100%. Like while drawing you should be completely absorbed in the moment. There should be 0 thoughts that aren't related to what you are currently drawing. And try to figure out stuff on your own, like stop following guides and shit, actually try to figure stuff out on your own.

[Anonymous No.3989585]

>"don't kill yourself! you have so much to live for!"

[Anonymous No.3989587]

>grind fundies instead of painting along your favorite artist that he keep explaining his thoughts while painting

[Anonymous No.3989591]

>>3987653
>find the vanishing points

[Anonymous No.3989605]

>>3987757
Portfolio > college degree, I know people who've never finished high school and made it

[Anonymous No.3989610]

>telling an absolut beginner to start with gesture drawing

Nigger, gesture drawing is a concept. If you don't teach the technique to create that concept he can't do fuck all.

[Anonymous No.3989611]

>>3987660
every time i hear this one it makes my blood boil.

[Anonymous No.3989614]

>>3989610
>telling a beginner to learn the basics of figure
Nigga i just want to draw big anime titties

[Anonymous No.3989617]

Damn there's too many people here with a fixed mindset, "natural talent" is bullshit, every skill is a muscle

[Anonymous No.3990468]

>if you draw every day you can become as good as me

[Anonymous No.3990798]

>>3987661
>practice

[Anonymous No.3990811]

ITT vague and misguided information that led to confusion

>>3987653
Putting black into your paint makes it dirty, you should shift towards a different colour to make a shadow
>>3987660
Draw for your shadow for big strokes, draw with your wrist to make small delicate strokes
>>3987757
Unless you want to do amateur looking cartoon drawings, you'll need skill to get anywhere in the market you want
>>3987770
Loomis is not a meme, he's just the oldest beginners book, Proko is better now
Limited palette creates colour harmony
>>3987771
Just draw means to put in the hours, if you're not even thinking while drawing you're probably not even drawing, just scribbling
>>3987777
This means don't fall into the "muh style" trap, develop some skill first before tackling style, learn the rules before you break them
>>3988059
Strong confident lines look good, even if they're sketchy, if they're strong and confident they are not bad, chicken scratching is placing incorrect lines that look bad.
You need construction AND flow
>>3988430
If you don't enjoy your life why don't you just kill yourself?
>>3988437
Breathing is important for lineart, breathe out and then make your line, your hand will be steadier
>>3989587
Do both
>>3989591
yes
>>3989610
This is something I actually agree with you on, gesture drawing requires knowledge of perspective, 3d forms, anatomy, proportions and generally be very familiar with the human body, a beginner can't even draw a cube properly
>>3989617
Some people have a greater ability to learn fast and pick things up that aren't immediately obvious, also some people have the passion and endurance to draw many hours a day, these people began earlier in life, improve faster and appear to be talented.

[Anonymous No.3990823]

>>3987881
This but unironically.
You can literally invent all ideas by starting with a fundamental thesis (a shape on a blank canvas), then its antithesis (negative space), then repeat the process for the resulting thesis, creating the entire artistic visual language through the dialectical method

[Anonymous No.3990836]

>>3990811
This, in context all these advices make absolute sense

[Anonymous No.3990852]

>>3990811

[Anonymous No.3990952]

>>3987881
>>3990823
Consider all of human progress
Agriculture, Architecture, Medicine, etc. If you wish to learn about something in one of these skills you must find someone to teach you it, a book, a teacher,
It will take between an hour, a few weeks, maybe a few years to learn some concepts, but it took the teacher or author their entire life to discover and refine that knowledge and by teaching it to you it allows you to learn it in a much shorter amount of time.
You don't need to search the entire haystack for the needle, it's location is highlighted for you and now you have it.
You need to read many books and take many lessons from teachers to fully learn a skill, and those teachers have done the same before you, their knowledge was first gathered from books and teachers that taught them.
In that sense, through the sharing of knowledge and information you are able to learn in a few mere decades what would take you many thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of years to learn on your own.

You cannot learn art on your own, it's impossible, you must find books and teachers to speed up the process, if you isolate yourself in some vain pursuit of purity, your art will probably look something akin to a 5 year old... even if you have been drawing for over 50 years.

[Anonymous No.3991013]

>>3987653
>you can draw anime even if you are a gaijin

[Anonymous No.3991027]

This is a dumb thread, most of the fake art advices are good advice and no one can tell if they were posted ironically.

[Anonymous No.3991036]

>>3990952
Yeah, but what if all of human history was actually wrong?
I mean, europeans thought they had all of that art shit figured out, until someone imported prints from japan and china from... china. And then illustration was born.

[Anonymous No.3991038]

>>3987653
> use cheats; why would photoshop/csp give you all these tools if they don't want to use them?

[Anonymous No.3991487]

>>3990811
This guy knows what's up.
>>3990852
By posting this you're acknowledging that no argument can be made against that guy (from your point of view).

[Anonymous No.3991490]

>skill is important

[Anonymous No.3991491]

>>3991027
Which ones? It's easy to come and say 'this is dumb' without accurately pointing out the problems. Any contrarian can do that.

[Anonymous No.3991493]

>>39914901
Yes it is?!

[Anonymous No.3991494]

>hard work beats talent

[Anonymous No.3991504]

>>3991494
It's too vague, but not necessarily wrong : if A is "talented" (fast learner,didn't have to struggle much to reach his level) but B works like a japanese mmanga assistant. B can beat A if A doesn't work much & become complacent.

[Anonymous No.3991507]

>>3991504
the true red pill is that neither matters since connections and nepotism determine your succes first and foremost

[Anonymous No.3991522]

>>3991507
Your cousin might get you a superb position, if you aren't productive (work) & don't have enough quality for that position, you might not hold that position for long...

[Anonymous No.3991842]

>>3990811
Pretty much this. Context is always important.

[Anonymous No.3991868]

>>3991036
>but what if all of human history was actually wrong?
is there anything you can point to that suggests everything we've done is wrong?
"Agriculture, Architecture, Medicine, etc." all seem to work pretty well don't they

[Anonymous No.3992050]

>>3990468

[Anonymous No.3992121]

>>3987869
That's not true, although there are a lot of shitters that say it to troll.

"Just draw" doesn't mean just scribble away willy-nilly. It means stop worrying about less important shit and get down to business. Instead of obessing over some japanese loomis book you can't find scans of, some special pencil, or some secret digital technique, you actually put pen to paper. I'm sure you've seen all the threads with OP asking about some autistic, borderline extraneous shit. They could've just drawn instead.

[Anonymous No.3992400]

>>3987653

[Anonymous No.3992520]

>>3991491
OP is good advice, and I'm pretty sure the next 5 posts were ironic.
>>3987754 and >>3987771 are bad advice
>>3987777 and >>3988059 are good advice
>>3988430 and >>3988437 are nothing.

And then >>3990811 took all of them seriously, even though I'm pretty sure half the thread is being ironic.

[Anonymous No.3992523]

>tracing ,photobash and paintovers are bad

[Anonymous No.3992550]

>>3991036
Art history wasn't wrong, both the west and the east learned great art skill, they just had different preferences
Christian Iconography is simillar to the east, it's more focussed on symbolism and shape than realism

[Anonymous No.3992556]

>>3988437
thot

[Anonymous No.3992561]

WARM COLORS ADVANCES

COOL COLORS R
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[Anonymous No.3992577]

>>3989543
>Just draw

Just draw is a bad advice because it doesn't give anything other then 2 words "just" and "draw", for someone new to drawing they will not be given any information about what to do because they can't interpret that information in a useful way. I can tell someone "just draw and take in information you learn to make it better from books,videos or pictures but keep drawing" and that will at least tell someone what to do but telling them "just draw" then giving no information about what to do isn't helpful because in your mind you gave them a useful tip as you know the fundies but a crab will not understand it.

its like a person teaching you how to shoot and control the recoil to "just shoot" expecting you to understand how to aim,control the recoil and other things already.

[Anonymous No.3993307]

>>3987653
>Don't compare your art from other people.
No, fuck you.
That's the only way you will ever get your style.
It also helps you improve because you know your artwork is shit.

[Anonymous No.3993311]

>>3987653
>never ever use grey/black for shading.
that's tru tho

[Anonymous No.3993364]

You have to be a brainlet to misinterpret Just draw into something negative, just draw is the artist equivalent of just do it. I want to draw a comic but I need to learn perspective, composition, construction, what do I grind first? The answer is, just draw. you'll learn a lot through the experience of just drawing it and you can supplement it by studies on the side if you really want to. Just draw

[Anonymous No.3993373]

>>3993364
Telling some to just draw is bad advice. It can either mean mindless scribble or deliberate practice.

[Anonymous No.3993395]

>>3991038
b-b-but an anon on /ic/ told me if i use a perspective grid tool i'm ngmi!!

[Anonymous No.3993402]

>>3987653
https://youtu.be/lJitss58XKc