/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3984934]

How did Yusuke Murata learn to draw? Was he self taught? Any info on that would be appreciated

[Anonymous No.3984938]

>>3984934
Loomis.

[Anonymous No.3984942]

>>3984938
/thread

[Anonymous No.3984944]

>>3984938
fpbp

[Anonymous No.3984956]

>>3984938
Yeah he did say that in one of the interviews

[Anonymous No.3984958]

>>3984956
Can you link that interview? I can't find anything on the subject of his general drawing, it's just one punch man stuff

[Anonymous No.3984960]

>>3984956
kek I follow murata since E21 and he never said this

[Anonymous No.3984962]

As a kid, Murata entered a contest to create new villains for Mega Man and was credited in the games' closing credits. So he began early.

[Anonymous No.3984964]

>>3984960
NEEEEERD

[Anonymous No.3985106]

>>3984934
We know he's drawn hundreds of references, so that's what he did to get this good. Even in a recent chapter he drew a muscle girl crushing a watermelon monster between her thighs... And it's referenced from a popular video of a girl doing just that.

Copy references but try to use anime aesthetic. See how Murata draws the little details to make it look like manga instead of a copied photograph.

[Anonymous No.3985236]

>>3985106
>no proof

[Anonymous No.3985275]

>>3985236
There is at least a couple times on his streams you could have seen him using references when he wasn't sure about the pose. Like that time when King is standing up during S class meetup before assaulting monster base - he used a photo of one of his assistants.

>>3984934
He started drawing in school and never stopped.

[Anonymous No.3985292]

>>3985236
>professional artists never use refs
fuck off back to /beg/ retard

[Anonymous No.3985296]

>>3985292
GOD I WISH A I WAS A WATERMELON

[Anonymous No.3985300]

>>3985292
Black and white bitch's head lookin too damn small for her body.

[Anonymous No.3985302]

>>3984934
Learned the basics and figured the rest on their own

[Anonymous No.3985309]

>>3985300
>y-yeah well it's shit anyways
ngmi

[Anonymous No.3985315]

>>3985236
Yeah because a professional artist with strict deadlines making a comic is just going to waste valuable time trying to do EVERYTHING completely from his head

[Anonymous No.3985352]

Why did I have to lack asian discipline genes...

[Anonymous No.3985593]

>>3984934
Without ONEs webcomic for layouts, hed be nothing special. You can literally tell when there are new scenes suggested by him because of how lifeless the panelling becomes. Early on he had passion for the project, too. But even then, he rarely ever draws backgrounds. Few backgrounds he does do are usually copy and pasted zipatone or digitally put in. Cities, trees, parks, vending ma hines, clouds, the earth for scenes like parting clouds from punch, etc are not drawn by him. When he draws a background, it is usually smoke, million speedlines, rocks being smashed or simply adding cracks to a copy pasted building for battle dmg. Saitamas room and stuff are also drawn, but literally couple lines for walls with no details.

Ultimately ONE gave him all layouts and thumbnails and he does some finishes on someone elses work. Its not impresseive, especially since he draws cartoony faces that are extremely at odds with the bodies he draws. He basically does house style american comics with manga faces and it really doesnt make sense.

But couple figure drawings, million speedlines and admittedly excellent hatching is all he does. Go actually look at a chapter - bleach guy does more backgrounds than murata and he is made fun of all the time. Real backgrounds. Most weebs cant even tell difference between blatant zipatone or clip paint cut and paste backgrounds, cars, bikes, temples, etc. Shit like gantz is almost all fake/not drawn. Even his characters are all 3d models he traced over. Goblin slayer is all traced models and no real backgrounds.

The products can be good or enjoyable and you can spout tools not rules or other nonsense, but dont confuse it with actual skill or artistic merit. Read webcomic sidebyside with muratas and look how much better the storytelling is in webcomic. The art is inferior, but gesture, composition and panelling is defintion of soul vs soulless.

[Anonymous No.3985599]

>>3985593
Who the fuck cares about backgrounds and such if characters are well drawn? Especially considering that One Punch Man is relatively simplistic in its style.

[Anonymous No.3985602]

>>3985599
literally ngmi

[Anonymous No.3985605]

>>3984934
ONE HUNDRED PUSH UPS
DO IT EVERYDAY

[Anonymous No.3985607]

>>3985605
ONE HUNDRED GESTURES
ONE HUNDRED BOXES
ONE HUNDRED THUMBNAILS
ONLY INK
EVERY SINGLE DAY

[Anonymous No.3985608]

>>3985605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7rBDKrWprU

What would be the art equivalent of this?

[Anonymous No.3985614]

>>3985608
100 form studies
100 value studies
100 color studies
and 10 hours of drawing from imagination
EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.3985624]

>>3985614
That would take more than 24 hours to do

Something more realistic would be
20 1 min gestures
10 2 min gestures
5 5 min gestures
5 30 min figure drawings
1 full value study
1 full color study
1 full portrait study

and something with imagination drawing.

[Anonymous No.3985681]

>>3984934
I know that he always looked up to Yoshihiro Togashi (author of YuYu Hakusho and Hunter X Hunter).

[Anonymous No.3985691]

>>3985624
I was joking.
The most realistic equivalent is:
Draw, and if you aren't drawing, draw.

[Anonymous No.3985700]

>>3985614
>>3985624
The funny thing about the OPM training is that it's super basic. The /ic/ equivalent would be something like
>10 cubes in perspective
>10 one minute gestures
>10 loomis heads
>and 1 rendered sphere
EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!

[Anonymous No.3985708]

>>3985700
Its super basic outside of the 10km jog a day. I think that'd get tiring.
But yes, the rest is pretty trivial to parody the typical shounen trainings.

[Anonymous No.3985721]

>>3985300
That's why it's cool.

[Anonymous No.3985726]

>>3985708
Tiring? That would fuck up your muscles and tendons in a major way.

[Anonymous No.3985730]

>>3985700
you forgot the 0 on those ones, 10 of each is nothing

[Anonymous No.3985769]

>>3984938
He probably has never heard of that old fart in his entire life.
>>3984956
No he didn't.

[Anonymous No.3985770]

>>3985292
They look nothing alike.

[Anonymous No.3985818]

>>3985769
Dream on, ngmi Loomis denier. Pic related is from Murata's book.
Loomis is pretty popular among Japanese artists, has an officially Japanese-translated print and currently ranks fourth most popular in the Japanese Amazon.co.jp drawing books section. But keep thinking Loomis is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.3985821]

>>3984934
he learned like everyone else, stop procrastinating and actually learn to draw

[Anonymous No.3985824]

>>3985818
Please provide evidence that he specifically uses Loomis and not just some random how to draw book for Japs.
And no, pic related is not proof since millions of other how to draw tutorials use the exact same mannequin shit Loomis books use.

[Anonymous No.3985835]

>>3985824
Pretty much confirmed for not having opened a single page of Loomis in their entire lives. You people are at the same level of flat-earthers at this point.

[Anonymous No.3985838]

>>3985835
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.3985847]

>>3985300
She's around 2 m 30 cm. So no. It's just right. She is around 10 heads tall. Murata uses that ratio so that she would look very tall even in frames where there are no other people.

[Anonymous No.3985863]

>>3984958
"every day I draw from roomis for 10 hour and break for bowru of rice."
probably learned by saying to himself "i want to make a living from this" and practiced hard daily, making all the mistakes, and learning how to fix them.

[Anonymous No.3985874]

>>3984934

Murata, as confirmed by his 2017 interview with Kotaku said "[laughs], I just draw, I really don't know".

He went on to say that, along with buying the right pencil, he would go around the internet and save images of art he really likes and occasionally watching tutorial or a speed paint. "I like to ask other users how they think artists create the art they make" he said. "Its fascinating to hear the inputs of other users while I sit in my room thinking of creating beautiful art."

When asked about how often he draws Murata replied "Good thing I have a spark of Talent [Laughter], but perhaps I should spend more time drawing rather than talking to other users on the internet."

[Anonymous No.3985909]

>>3985874
Also in his 2015 MAL interview when asked for his secrets he answered "I actually have 3 secret books that will grant you the power of art god. They're all secretly protected and contained within the circle of professional mangaka."

He continues with a smug smile, "Thank god they'll never be imported to America. Who knows what will happen if the NGMI hackers known as /ic/ get their hands on these"

[Anonymous No.3985910]

>>3985909
turns out those books are poorly translated loomis books

[Anonymous No.3985913]

>>3985824
loomisdeniers should be shot

[Anonymous No.3985919]

>>3985913
cut them some slack, its bad enough that they will never make it

[Anonymous No.3985929]

>>3985909
>"Thank god they'll never be imported to America. Who knows what will happen if the NGMI hackers known as /ic/ get their hands on these"
I KNEW IT
I KNEW THE JAPANESE WERE HOLDING THE SECRETS TO MAKING IT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.3985933]

Found a leaked pic of the book Murata mentionned
I can't read moonrunes so it's of no use to me

[Anonymous No.3985942]

>>3985929
i got you senpai its ルーミス すべてのために描くことは価値がある

[Anonymous No.3985945]

>>3985874
>Murata, as confirmed by his 2017 interview with Kotaku said "[laughs], I just draw, I really don't know".
It's always this fucking shit.
Why the fuck is there no proven method of learning how to draw yet like with learning music?

[Anonymous No.3985946]

>>3985929
i think he's talking about this http://loomis.sblo.jp/

[Anonymous No.3985947]

>>3985818
Has this book been translated yet?
I heard Viz media would translate it (and the Toriyama one) if there's enough demand for it.

[Anonymous No.3985956]

>>3985945
Some artists display how they've improved over the years. I can think of Noah Bradley, who made an article about it.
I'm just another anon so feel free not to take my word for it but the true method to improve is to draw whatever you want to draw, whatever you'll invest yourself into-be it comics, painting, pinups, whatever, but with a good dose of studies on the side that you'll complete in the optic of completing whatever finished piece you want to draw. For example, imagine you wanna draw a lady facing away with a background of flowers? Then before you get into the drawing, you do studies of feminine backs, arms and necks + flowers studies + color/values studies. The idea is to give purpose to your studies and to put them into action immediately after you complete them. Too often we see anons who do random studies of whatever that serve no purpose whatsoever, that's just useless.
Another thing is to fill sketchbooks with what you're not comfortable with whenever you have free time. Fill them with hands, heads etc., things you're less comforable with whenever you have free time, it adds up quickly.

[Anonymous No.3985969]

>>3985933
Thats figure drawing by hampton. Its in the megaz in beg or some other thread. Its really fucking good.

[Anonymous No.3986013]

>>3985969
What the fuck is it even for? I skimmed through the pictures and it kinda just looked like 3D symbol drawing instead of actual anatomy.

[Anonymous No.3986018]

>>3986013
there's something called perspective and its easier to do it with simple 3d shapes, after you do that shit you pick an anatomy book and put the muscles on your simple 3d shapes

[Anonymous No.3986022]

>>3984962
He designed dustman when he was age 12. This is a drawing of his but I don't know if it's the one he submitted. Looks too good but you never know.

[Anonymous No.3986023]

>>3985933
I found another leaked pic.
Hey, this one has an english title! ...But it's hard to read.
Darn! If only I could read moonrunes...

[Anonymous No.3986043]

>>3985947
there's a toriyama one?

[Anonymous No.3986051]

>>3986043
Murata's volume is the 2nd.
Toriyama's one is the original.
Also, there's spanish, french and brazilian translations, but not english.

[Anonymous No.3986068]

>>3986043
>>3986051
Spanish translation.

[Anonymous No.3986147]

>>3985956
Drawing what I'm most uncomfortable with in sketchbooks on my free time sound unbearable, anon.

[Anonymous No.3986155]

>>3986051
>>3986068
>art advice from modern toriyama
yikes
would actually be worth something if it was written in the 80's

[Anonymous No.3986158]

>>3985818
>>3985838
loomis deniers BTFO

[Anonymous No.3986974]

>>3986147
I mean for me it's really not, just don't think too hard about it, like when you're watching TV or when dinner is cooking, just pull out the sketchbook and try your hand at it.
Drawing things you're comfortable with is cool too but you'll get less mileage out of it.

[Anonymous No.3986997]

>>3985700
> it's super basic
It's not super basic, but it's not something special either. It's not hard to reach 100 push ups in two months without overstraining yourself. It's even easier with squats.
>>3985933
The title says Maikeru Hanputon's Way of Drawing Human Body. Never heard about this one. Probably some really good Japanese artist. Sad thing I can't access this Holy Grail of oriental knowledge.

[Anonymous No.3987131]

>>3985933
You can use google translate to make out the general meaning of it. Too bad there isn't an english release

[Anonymous No.3987163]

>>3986023
you better take that off before the anime industry go bankrupt

[Anonymous No.3987166]

>>3985933
>>3986023
Huh. Didn't know they had these in Japanese too.

[Anonymous No.3987348]

Found another one of Murata's top secret books!

[Anonymous No.3988299]

>>3984956
source your lies

[Anonymous No.3988309]

>>3987166
I was suprised when visiting art stores in japan, to find load of english to translated japanese study books. I was expecting too see more inclusive Japanese art books, but the majority of it all was originally from the west.

[Anonymous No.3988337]

>>3988309
because anime was inspired from disney

[Anonymous No.3988348]

>>3985945
There is its called going to an atelier

[Anonymous No.3988355]

>>3985910
Should've seen it coming but burst out laughing anyway, thanks.

[Anonymous No.3988602]

>>3988348
Don't have any of those in my city, let alone my entire state.
Live in bumfuck nowhere redneckistan.

[Anonymous No.3988607]

>>3988602
...South America?

[Anonymous No.3988845]

>>3986013
>3D symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.3988848]

>>3988845
now thats some quality crabbing

[Anonymous No.3989099]

>>3985593
oh, please, go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.3989122]

>>3984934
by studying this now ultra rare japanese anatomy book

good luck finding it. they're really stingy with their learning materials

[Anonymous No.3989212]

>>3989122
scan and share pls

[Anonymous No.3989392]

>>3985292
I like how the watermelon looks like it's vomiting lmao

[Anonymous No.3989736]

>>3985945
it's because they didnt had to memorized a technique, they do it so easily because their head understood something on his own way, and you cant explain something you just dont know how learn it on the first time,
how do you draw a circle? you just do it, you do a circle
but what you do? i just grab the pencil and start drawing
kind of difficult isnt it ?

[Anonymous No.3989741]

>>3984934
>Yusuke
perverse gooks can't draw

[Anonymous No.3989756]

>>3989392
That's the reaction a normal human has when he sees a muscle girl.

[Anonymous No.3989821]

>>3989756
>That's the reaction a plebean faggotlord has when he sees a muscle girl.
FTFY

[Anonymous No.3989826]

>>3985945
idk about methods but I've thought about why good artists will often say similar stuff
I think it's a mixture of not being good at explaining what you did, being too lazy to explain your whole fucking career to someone, or deliberately not revealing your routines to cull the competition
Like that Marco Bucci video IIRC the one on the importance of greys and color harmony, where he shows the work of two amazing painters and their answer to an interviewer asking how they do such amazing painting is "bro whatever the colors just happen you know lol" or some bullshit quote like that. But maybe I'm just butthurt

[Anonymous No.3989840]

>>3989826
I won't say Murata has absolutely no competition to worry about, but it's fair to say he isn't loosing his day job to another artist by giving tips. He seems like a decent guy so I doubt he would misinform people. One thing we know is people like him draw constantly and he does use references when needed. He probably did just figure most things by observing and doing.

[Anonymous No.3989849]

>>3989840
Nah I wouldn't say Murata does that, but I'm just going to assume some artists with skill have done it at some point or just don't give a shit about helping others get better
It probably never happens and I'm paranoid, but it just irks me in general when so many great artists, not just professionals but even just twitter guys that are still damn good even if they're not mangakas or concept artists or w/e industry pros, don't give a shit about taking 2 minutes of their day to answer a beginner's question on fundies or their routine
I know they don't owe anyone shit on that front, it just feels rude in a way

[Anonymous No.3989907]

>>3985945
>>3989826
>>3989840
>>3989849
Guys...you know that interview doesn't exist, right? And the fact that he actually wrote a pretty level headed instructional drawing book containing your usual fundies?

[Anonymous No.3989910]

>>3988607
There aren't any rednecks in South America you autist

[Anonymous No.3989917]

>>3989392
lmao good eye

[Anonymous No.3990124]

>>3985352
>asian discipline genes
kek

[Anonymous No.3990145]

>>3989849
Let me tell you as someone who had a minor success in Twitter: answering comments gets real fucking boring real fucking quick and it takes a lot of time. Also how many times do you think some major artist has been asked the same question?

[Anonymous No.3990638]

>>3984934
He learned from Jojo references.

[Anonymous No.3990642]

>>3990638
you joke, but...

[Anonymous No.3990643]

>>3990642
he's actually really fucking good at capturing the essence of other peoples' art styles. i get the feeling he spent a lot of time copying the artists he loved

[Anonymous No.3990651]

>>3990643
I'd kill for a DB manga with Murata. Toriyama should have seen this... though maybe he wouldn't like another artist doing it better than him. They hired Toyotaro because he, at his best, just matches Toriyama's level by referencing old panels.

[Anonymous No.3990654]

>>3990651
>I'd kill for a DB manga with Murata
please no, i need me some more and more OPM

[Anonymous No.3991415]

>>3986013
It's simplification, a lot of things we do in art, thumbnails, side views, gesture, construction, line work, rendering/color, are simplifications, it makes achieving the end goal easier rather than trying to do everything all at once and failing. Hampton/vilpuu/loomis/huston ect.. teach you to get basic volumes/proportions of anatomy on page and then make it more complex, this will help you draw it from imagination because it's easier to remember. From there you can apply the same method to drawing anything, by converting it into simple volumes and then making it more complex.